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[–]Whoshabooboo [スコア非表示]  (64子コメント)

She used 13 mobile phones and 5 Ipads....

She told Congress she used ONE device.

EDIT: for everyone saying "technically correct" "one at a time" -- If you have a cell phone and an Ipad, that is not ONE DEVICE at a time. You think she is using her Ipad for phone calls?

[–]tspithos [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

"How much did you drink last night?"

"I had one glass ..."

(whispers) "... but I refilled that one glass 17 more times"

[–]endprism [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

She lost 11 devices.

[–]whey_to_go [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If that were true it should be a testament to incredible incompetence or a terrible memory.

[–]majorchamp [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've never even dropped my phone in the toilet or sink. I have dropped it on the ground maybe a handful of times, not even a cracked screen. My abuela, though....idk

[–]basedOp [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Here's a Christmas present to my Saudi friends. One used blackberry with all data sync'd up until last week.

How unreliable are Blackberry devices? Do they break so frequently that someone needs to purchase multiple devices throughout the years.

That whole passage from the FBI report should raise a giant read flag for OPsec.

https://i.sli.mg/TkpQru.png

  • Monica Hanley, a former Clinton aide, often purchased replacement Blackberry devices for Clinton during her tenure at State. 153
  • Hanley recalled purchasing most of the BlackBerry devices for Clinton from AT&T stores located in the Washington, D.C. area. 154
  • Whenever Clinton acquired new mobile devices, Cooper was usualy responsible for setting up the new devices and syncing them to the server. 155
  • Abedin, { REDACTED }, and Hanley also assisted Clinton with setting up any new devices. 156
  • According to Abedin, it was not uncommon for Clinton to use a new BlackBerry for a few days and then immediately switch it out for an older version with which she was more familiar. 157
  • Clinton stated that when her BlackBerry device malfunctioned, her aides would assist her in obtaining a new BlackBerry, and, after moving to a new device, her old SIM cards were disposed of by her aides. 158
  • Cooper advised he sometimes assisted users, including Clinton, when they obtained a new mobile device by helping them back up the data from the old device before transferring it to the new device and synicing the new device with Clinton's server. 159
  • Abedin and Hanley indicated the wereabouts of Clinton's devices would frequently become unknown once she transitioned to a new device 160,161
  • Cooper did recall two instances where he destroyed Clinton's old mobile devices by breaking them in half or hitting them with a hammer. 162

Even if the Hillary's devices were made inoperable, if NAND flash chips are undamaged, the chips can be desoldered from a circuit board (Blackberry, iPad, etc) and read. Similar arguements apply to SD and SIM cards.

Hitting with a hammer or breaking in half is not sufficient.

I'd wager Cooper's sanitization procedure wasn't up to NIST SP 800-88 protocol from 2006 or rev1 (2014), which requires incineration or grinding Flash into pulverized (powder) material. Flash is more "challenging" to sanitize as NIST points out in part due to reserve blocks and wear leveling algorithms that spread data across the storage device requiring full wipe.

NIST SP 800-88 (2006)

Cell Phones

Clear: Manually delete all information, such as calls made, phone numbers, then perform a full manufacturer’s reset to reset the cell phone back to its factory default settings. ** Please contact the manufacturer for proper sanitization procedure.
Purge: Same as Clear.
Destroy: * Shred
* Disintegrate
* Pulverize
* Incinerate by burning cell phones in a licensed incinerator.

Compact Flash Drives, SD

Clear: Overwrite media by using agency approved and validated overwriting technologies/methods/tools
Purge: See Physical Destruction.
Destroy: Destroy media in order of recommendations.
* Shred
* Disintegrate
* Pulverize
* Incinerate by burning in a licensed incinerator.

Flash Cards

Clear: Overwrite media by using agency approved and validated overwriting technologies/methods/tools
Purge: Same as Clear.
Destroy: * Shred
* Disintegrate
* Pulverize

Appendix B. Glossary

Glossary Term Definition
Shred A method of sanitizing media; the act of cutting or tearing into small particles.
Disintegration A physically destructive method of sanitizing media; the act of separating into component parts.
Pulverization A physically destructive method of sanitizing media; the act of grinding to a powder or dust.
Incineration A physically destructive method of sanitizing media; the act of burning completely to ashes. "

NIST SP 800-88 rev1 (2014)

Embedded Flash Memory on Boards and Devices This includes motherboards and peripheral cards such as network adapters or any other adapter containing non-volatile flash memory.

Clear: If supported by the device, reset the state to original factory settings.
Purge: N/A If the flash memory can be easily identified and removed from the board, the flash memory may be Destroyed independently from the disposal of the board that contained the flash memory. Otherwise, the whole board should be Destroyed.
Destroy: Shred, Disintegrate, Pulverize, or Incinerate by burning the device in a licensed incinerator.
Notes: While Embedded flash memory has traditionally not been specifically addressed in media sanitization guidelines, the increasing complexity of systems and associated use of flash memory has complementarily increased the likelihood that sensitive data may be present. For example, remote management capabilities integrated into a modern motherboard may necessitate storing IP addresses, hostnames, usernames and passwords, certificates, or other data that may be considered sensitive. As a result, for Clearing, it may be necessary to interact with multiple interfaces to fully reset the device state. When this concept is applied to the example, this might include the BIOS/UEFI interface as well as the remote management interface. As with other types of media, the choice of sanitization technique is based on environment- specific considerations. While the choice might be made to neither Clear nor Purge embedded flash memory, it is important to recognize and accept the potential risk and continue to reevaluate the risk as the environment changes.

Blackberry (back up data on device before sanitization)

Clear: BB OS 7.x/6.x - Select Options > Security Options > Security Wipe , making sure to select all subcategories of data types for sanitization. Then type “blackberry” in the text field, then click on “Wipe” (“Wipe Data” in BB OS 6.x) BB OS 10.x (Decrypt media card before continuing) Select Settings, Security and Privacy, Security Wipe . Type “blackberry” in the text field, then click on “Delete Data”. The sanitization operation may take as long as several hours depending on the media size. Sanitization performed via a remote wipe should be treated as a Clear operation, and it is not possible to verify the sanitization results.
Purge: BB OS 7.x/6.x - Select Options > Security > Security Wipe, then make sure to select all subcategories of data types for sanitization. Then type “blackberry” in the text field, then click on “Wipe” (“Wipe Data” in BB OS 6.x). For BB OS 10.x Select Settings> Security and Privacy>Security Wipe. Type “blackberry” in the text field, then click on “Delete Data”. The 28NIST SP 800-88 Rev. 1 Guidelines for Media Sanitization sanitization operation may take as long as several hours depending on the media size.
Destroy: Shred, Disintegrate, Pulverize, or Incinerate by burning the device in a licensed incinerator.
Notes: Following the Clear/Purge operation, manually navigate to multiple areas of the device (such as browser history, files, photos, etc.) to verify that no personal information has been retained on the device. Centralized management (BES) allows for device encryption. Refer to the manufacturer for additional information on the proper sanitization procedure, and for details about implementation differences between device versions and OS versions. Proper initial configuration using guides such as the Defense Information Systems Agency (DISA) Security Technical Implementation Guides (STIGs) (http://iase.disa.mil/stigs/) helps ensure that the level of data protection and sanitization assurance is as robust as possible. If the device contains removable storage media, ensure that the media is sanitized using appropriate media- dependent procedures.

[–]HOEDY [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I see that you mention incineration and grinding of mobile devices are approved methods of sanitization but what about wiping it with a cloth?

[–]drakanx [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

technically she only had one, the other 12 phones and 5 ipads were destroyed by her hammer.

[–]Lleland [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

1 is inclusive in the number of devices hillary used. If she had 15 devices, she also had 1. Politifact rates this true.

[–]manzoire [スコア非表示]  (83子コメント)

Msnbc now has a piece on how hard it is to use email. You can't make this stuff up

[–]grizzlyhardon [スコア非表示]  (34子コメント)

Fox news let a Clinton campaign official on and all she did was try to deflect to Trump

[–]thingandstuff [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Maybe they can create another televised "Town Hall" for her where her supporters can come and ask her scripted questions. That will clear all this up... like, with a cloth.

[–]timmyjj3 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

She's already hiding for the last 3 weeks begging for donations and money seriously. She has her first town hall event with Trump in just a week now. Do people not think this is going to get railed against?

[–]coyotl [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Sorta like how Maddow demonstrated how hard it was to adhere to the Records Act. They spin their webs like spiders. They'll do anything to reinforce cognitive bias.

[–]RajivFernanDatBribe [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

No, that's how hard Hillary made it to adhere to the record. She did it on paper instead of digitally so fewer people would be able to see the emails and it would take forever.

[–]Maculate [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yep. That piece lost all remaining respect I had for Maddow (which had dwindled to almost nothing already.)

[–]Konwayz [スコア非表示]  (149子コメント)

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/fbi-releases-documents-related-clinton-email-investigation-174820715.html

Hillary Clinton told the FBI she did not recall all the briefings she received on handling sensitive information as she made the transition from her post as U.S. secretary of state, due to a concussion suffered in 2012, according to a report released Friday.

Hillary Clinton is spreading right wing conspiracies about herself!!!!

[–]SunriseSurprise [スコア非表示]  (37子コメント)

what should've happened

FBI: Since you couldn't remember the briefings, why didn't you ask to get briefed again so you'd know how to handle sensitive information for the sake of national security?

Hillary:

[–]TalktoberryFin [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

Technically speaking, it was one of those strange retroactive quantumcussions where "clinically defined brain-damage" suffered in 2012 is able to effect one's former judgement and decisions made all the way back in 2009.

 

It's extremely rare. Trust me.

[–]Mangalz [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So she hit her head so hard that she forgot security briefings 3 years earlier before she set up her private server.

I cant believe mi abuela lied.

[–]OdinSQL [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

She was too badly brain damaged to do her last job properly but she thinks she deserves a promotion.

[–]FuckingWhiteMale78 [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

vast right wing conspiracy

[–]Bernin4U [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

She rehashed the vast right wing conspiracy a few days ago, for a woman trying to call out Trump's "conspiracy theories" she's very fond of them herself.

[–]IbanezDavy [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

It confirms my suspicions that Hillary Clinton is in fact a Republican candidate running as a Democrat.

[–]moseybjones [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Clinton is a right-wing plant. Trump is a left-wing plant. Oh god.

[–]IbanezDavy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Or just the Republicans and Democrats have rigged it so bad that they don't even have to try anymore.

[–]ihatesnownawmean [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They tried that with Trump. He kicked them out.

They DID that with Hillary.

[–]the_clint1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I think she should go and open a pickle jar on a night show this would fix everything

[–]pinkocommiegreen [スコア非表示]  (43子コメント)

Below is the list of things Clinton could not recall in the FBI interview:

When she received security clearance
Being briefed on how to handle classified material
How many times she used her authority to designate items classified
Any briefing on how to handle very top-secret "Special Access Program" material
How to select a target for a drone strike
How the data from her mobile devices was destroyed when she switched devices
The number of times her staff was given a secure phone
Why she didn’t get a secure Blackberry
Receiving any emails she thought should not be on the private system
Did not remember giving staff direction to create private email account
Getting guidance from state on email policy
Who had access to her Blackberry account
The process for deleting her emails
Ever getting a message that her storage was almost full
Anyone besides Huma Abedin being offered an account on the private server
Being sent information on state government private emails being hacked
Receiving cable on State Dept personnel securing personal email accounts
Receiving cable on Bryan Pagliano upgrading her server
Using an iPad mini
An Oct. 13, 2012, email on Egypt with Clinton pal Sidney Blumenthal
Jacob Sullivan using personal email
State Department protocol for confirming classified information in media reports
Every briefing she received after suffering concussions
Being notified of a FOIA request on Dec. 11, 2012
Being read out of her clearance
Any further access to her private email account from her State Department tenure after switching to her HRCoffice.com account

It is a "time-honored tradition in Washington scandals" to claim one doesn't recall as they were busy being busy Washington officials, The Associated Press said in a 2005 report on common criminal defenses inside the Beltway.

The Trump campaign leaped on the disclosure. Related Content PoliZette Clinton Foundation Exec Sought Special Treatment from State Newly released emails reveal Doug Band asked Abedin for passport help

"Hillary Clinton is applying for a job that begins each day with a Top Secret intelligence briefing, and the notes from her FBI interview reinforce her tremendously bad judgment and dishonesty," the Trump campaign said in a statement to LifeZette. "Clinton’s secret email server was an end-run around government transparency laws that wound up jeopardizing our national security and sensitive diplomatic efforts. On more than 2,000 occasions classified material was exposed on her private server, including highly sensitive Top Secret information and intelligence."

[–]Dennace[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (278子コメント)

Clinton thought the (C) for confidential was used to put paragraphs in alphabetical order...

https://i.sli.mg/11vZr2.png

This entire thread is going to be 1 huge karma graveyard.

[–]JackDragon [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

She's totally lying. Most people would realize that it's not for alphabetical order when you only see (C)'s and no other letters...

[–]Hyperdrunk [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Remember that Hillary Clinton is a lawyer by trade and has been around classified material for decades, including running the State Department. She isn't some old lady who just can't get into the complexities of legal documents and nuance like she pretends to be in the media. A professional politician and lawyer saying "I didn't know C stood for Confidential" is like a Reddit CEO saying he thinks "AMA" meant "All Media Allowed" and never heard of it meaning "Ask Me Anything".

It's beyond the pale of believable, and even if she's telling the truth, it falls well within the realm of "That's exactly your job and you should have known." Pleading ignorance is a legal maneuver to avoid being held responsible for your actions, not something that is believable by anyone but a die-hard supporter.

[–]CaptainIncredible [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A professional politician and lawyer saying "I didn't know C stood for Confidential" is like a Reddit CEO saying he thinks "AMA" meant "All Media Allowed

Or like another government official saying under oath "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is." and using that to justify a lie.

[–]forzion_no_mouse [スコア非表示]  (58子コメント)

the fbi released documents show exactly what a classified document looks like. are you really telling me someone can read documents like that for 20 years and not know what a (c) means? even when the fbi agent asked her if it could have meant confidential she didn't know. either she is so inept she can't hold a security clearance or she is lying and shouldn't hold a security clearance.

[–]PlasticPilot11 [スコア非表示]  (59子コメント)

She's either an abject moron or a really bad liar. I don't know which is worse... and she hasn't offered much of a middle ground.

[–]Hyperdrunk [スコア非表示]  (26子コメント)

"It's better to be found an Innocent Idiot than it is a Guilty Genius."

Hillary is a lawyer by trade. She knows pleading ignorance is how you escape legal penalties for your accident. She gains nothing by admitting she knew she was breaking the law for her own agenda, and gains everything by playing the innocent idiot who just didn't comprehend what was exactly her job to comprehend.

[–]MrMeyhem [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

Yeah except you can't play the innocent idiot when you WERE THE HEAD OF THE FUCKING STATE DEPARTMENT.

JESUS FUCK.

[–]pittguy578 [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Seriously though she didn't attend the trainings by choice. If she did, then she wouldn't have been able to play the idiot card.

This is the worst group of candidates we have had since I was born in 78.

[–]MrMeyhem [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Not to mention after read-ons you have to initial a bunch of boxes and sign a form saying you understood what happened in the brief and the information you're accessing.

She's playing everyone that doesn't know about this stuff for fools.

[–]pittguy578 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I know. If it was anyone else other than HRC, then the FBI would have been like you have to be kidding me and the book would have been thrown at her. But since she has so many damn connections they are letting her get away with it.

[–]TakeBack_Democracy [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

If Clinton "takes all classified material seriously", then why the hell did she "not pay attention to the level of classification"?

[–]thesqueal [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Anyone with a clearance or having had a single briefing on classified material handling will tell you that this is unbelievably vapid.

[–]Kraggon [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

How can she receive top secret level clearance as a Senator and Secretary of State and never have been briefed on how to identify confidential information? Is she stupid, a liar, or both?

[–]SchlubbyBetaMale [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Is she stupid, a liar, or both?

A pathological liar.

The idea that she would expect an interviewing FBI officer, a fucking intelligence agent, to just accept that she wouldn't recognize classification markings really shows you how little she thinks of everyone around her, and how frighteningly easy it is for her to lie.

[–]helplesslyhopin [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Seriously, I understand why the White House does this shit but how did Clinton, a private citizen, get her FBI interview on the Saturday of fourth of july and her notes released on the Friday before Labor Day.

Who is controlling this investigation and timing this so perfectly?

Why didn't congress wait till after labor day to get the notes?

[–]Manafort [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

[–]Solidarieta [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

I would lose all respect for scores of intelligence services around the world if they did not have all the access they wanted to that server.

-Former CIA and NSA Director General Michael Hayden (UAF, retired)

[–]THE_BLACK_ROD [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

I'm shocked the NSA didn't knock on her door and have a quiet word.

If this had been and member in the UK cabinet you can be assured the heads of GCHQ, SIS and MI5 would have all had a late night discreet visit, and in no uncertain words told whomever was doing this to knock it off.

If they didn't, either some scandal will be leaked to the press or this.

[–]SynXacK [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Holy crap... that server was running for 2 months without an SSL cert?!

[–]kromem [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that's the part that was most blowing my mind.

[–]SirDudeGuyFella [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

JFC that guy is an idiot and whoever hired him is just as bad.

[–]Whoshabooboo [スコア非表示]  (129子コメント)

Of course this is released on a Friday before the Labor Day weekend. They will try to bury this by next week. She told the FBI she didn't understand classified marking? As Secretary of State? Bullshit. Either she isn't fit to be President or she lied to the FBI. Pick one.

[–]stuball81 [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Yep and CNN,MSNBC, ABC, NBC etc will cover it now. But not next week...like it's not just as fucking serious the day after labor day. So sad.

But, look at the front page of politics and I dont see shit other that anti trump shit.

[–]OdinSQL [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

We now know that she's less qualified to handle classified information than a 17 year old E1 in the military.

[–]RyMill4 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Trump might say something mean over the weekend, so it'll be all hands on deck for every major news source to run with that starting Monday...

Violating national security comes in second to mean words.

[–]karmaslag [スコア非表示]  (47子コメント)

She told the FBI she didn't understand classified marking? As Secretary of State?

Ahem. As the wife of a former president, as a former senator from New York post 9-11, and as the former Secretary of State.

edit: and on the Senate Armed Services committee for 6 years, Yale-educated lawyer, etc.

[–]coyotl [スコア非表示]  (31子コメント)

So much experience, so little common sense.

[–]Whitelabels [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

If her resume is so good why does it suck so much.

Being bad at a bunch of really important jobs isn't cause for people to vote for you for the most important job.

[–]StickyNiki [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I wonder if Maddow will do her "Friday night docu-dump" segment on this. I hope she does.

[–]RajivFernanDatBribe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Maddow will do a 20-minute soliloquy about how these months and months of discussion of Hillary's emails demonstrates she's the most transparent candidate ever.

[–]huevhp [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So, she had 8 Blackberries; all are now lost, and one was destroyed with a hammer. I remember 9 and I am just an average citizen) when Obama got elected that there was a furor over him insisting that he be allowed to keep/use his Blackberry. How competent is this woman when she used 8 without so much as a hey, nonny-nonny? The whole thing is very fishy.

[–]RajivFernanDatBribe [スコア非表示]  (36子コメント)

In case you're wondering about the evolution of the excuses Hillary supporters have offered during this endless saga:

We started at

Hillary didn't have a private server.

Then

Hillary didn't have any classified information on the server.

then

It doesn't matter that there was classified information on the server because it was never hacked.

We are now at:

Well, the server was hacked, but not Hillary's email address.

[–]turtledan87 [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

Notice how they dumped this on a Friday to let the story die over the weekend

EDIT: Labor Day weekend even

[–]following_eyes [スコア非表示]  (64子コメント)

I'll post what I posted in another thread about this.

This is a quote from the CNN article regarding this report and quite damning for Clinton

The documents contained numerous instances in which Clinton did not recall specific emails or incidents, including on classified information procedures. Clinton repeatedly told the FBI she lacked recollection of key events. She said she "could not recall any briefing or training by State related to the retention of federal records or handling classified information," according to the FBI's notes of their July 2 interview with Clinton.

Seriously, you don't recall one instance of instruction. I call bullshit.

[–]ScrupulousVoter2 [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

She was a US Senator for 8 years, 6 of which she served on the Armed Services/Emerging Threats sub-committee, and we're supposed to believe that between that, 8 years as First Lady and nearly 4 as Secretary of State she didn't know squat about recognizing and handling classified materials.

[–]gabagool69 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Below is the list of things Clinton could not recall in the FBI interview:

  • When she received security clearance

  • Being briefed on how to handle classified material

  • How many times she used her authority to designate items classified

  • Any briefing on how to handle very top-secret "Special Access Program" material

  • How to select a target for a drone strike

  • How the data from her mobile devices was destroyed when she switched devices

  • The number of times her staff was given a secure phone

  • Why she didn’t get a secure Blackberry

  • Receiving any emails she thought should not be on the private system

  • Did not remember giving staff direction to create private email account

  • Getting guidance from state on email policy

  • Who had access to her Blackberry account

  • The process for deleting her emails

  • Ever getting a message that her storage was almost full

  • Anyone besides Huma Abedin being offered an account on the private server

  • Being sent information on state government private emails being hacked

  • Receiving cable on State Dept personnel securing personal email accounts

  • Receiving cable on Bryan Pagliano upgrading her server

  • Using an iPad mini

  • An Oct. 13, 2012, email on Egypt with Clinton pal Sidney Blumenthal

  • Jacob Sullivan using personal email

  • State Department protocol for confirming classified information in media reports

  • Every briefing she received after suffering concussions

  • Being notified of a FOIA request on Dec. 11, 2012

  • Being read out of her clearance

  • Any further access to her private email account from her State Department tenure after switching to her HRCoffice.com account

Source

[–]manzoire [スコア非表示]  (73子コメント)

"Cooper did recall two instances where he destroyed Clinton's mobile devices by breaking them in half or hitting them with a hammer" wtf

[–]Slayer1791 [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Don't know the context of your quote, but some insight on gov officials destroying phones...I worked for VZW on gov accounts and if they needed a new phone, standard policy was you return the defective one, but gov officials (fbi agents) always destroyed their current device when they got a replacement.

[–]Roseking [スコア非表示]  (34子コメント)

It is an actual security measure to physically destroy a device. Like they even have speciality shredders to do so.

[–]brohner [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

so why did the fbi release this on labor day weekend? oh... same reason they didn't prosecute her

[–]majorchamp [スコア非表示]  (30子コメント)

How in the fuck is this not a crime????

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294332-clinton-emails-wiped-clean-after-nyt-story

The deletion took place between March 25 and March 31, the FBI learned in a May 3 interview. The name of the person who deleted the emails was redacted from the FBI’s notes.

“In a follow-up FBI interview on May 3, 2016, ------ Indicated he believed he had an 'oh s--t' moment and sometime between March 25-31, 2015 deleted the Clinton archive mailbox from PRN server and used BleachBit to delete the exported .PST files he had created on the server system containing Clinton;s e-mails,” the FBI notes released on Friday stated.

[–]WaitingOnTheDay [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

As Comey said, other people, doing the exact same things, have been and will be in the future convicted. Just not this time.

[–]NarcolepticMan [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If your name is (C)linton, it's perfectly legal.

[–]Fecal_McAngry [スコア非表示]  (96子コメント)

So I head over here to see what's going on, and I'm met with tons of top level comments already playing the "if you draw any conclusions from this news you're a nutcase" game. Thanks for the discussion guys and gals. You've created such an echo chamber that most people are going to take one look and just go elsewhere.

[–]SWEET_BBQ [スコア非表示]  (42子コメント)

Its incredible really. CTR is trying to steer the narrative but it just isnt working. All the paid shitposters in the world cant stop whats happening, they cant "convince" us forever. Now watch both of our scores go up quickly, then back to exactly 0 before midnight. Its disgusting whats happened to this place.

[–]Whoshabooboo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Clinton’s top aides recalled that the retiring devices’ whereabouts would often be a mystery

They didn't know where devices linked to classified information was? That sounds worse than "extremely careless"

[–]LukeforBernie [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So she told Comey that she used 13 devices, yet she told Congress that she used only one device.

How is that not perjury?

[–]Inferchomp [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

Thanks to all the Clinton primary voters that picked this "pragmatic" piece of work. More electable than Bernie, my ass.

Bernie would be smoking Trump in the polls right now, yet now there's an increasing chance Trump can win because of Hillary's sheer incompetence.

[–]TORFdot0 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

News like this and more like it, could jeopardize the Democrats chances of taking the Senate if not the presidency. There wouldn't be this drama with Bernie as the nominee and things would look worse for donald as he blundered his way out of the race

[–]stuball81 [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

So...Do people still think that Comey is this boy scout that doesn't give a shit about what his superiors think? You still think that Bill meeting with the attorney general played no part in this outcome?

Sorry, there is so fucking much circumstantial evidence here that there is no doubt she committed a crime.

[–]xxGrobicxx [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

If anyone still thinks the FBI, DOJ, or any of these clowns have any integrity left they are stupid.

Comey said Clinton lacked intent and yet there are no questions or discussion about intent in these documents. he LIED

[–]Solidarieta [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

There's direct evidence she mishandled classified information, but Comey didn't consider prosecuting her under the Espionage Act.

[–]DragoonDM [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You still think that Bill meeting with the attorney general played no part in this outcome?

Even if Hillary is 100% innocent of any wrongdoing at all, Bill Clinton meeting with Loretta Lynch while there was an ongoing investigation is incredibly alarming.

[–]doughboy192000 [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

Seriously though. Shouldn't she have her security clearance revoked?

[–]TheThirdWheel [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

This is not hyperbole, she could not be hired as a janitor in the Pentagon right now, and I'm serious, her violations of classified information, though not deemed a felony by the FBI would 100% disqualify her from any position even near classified material, with the exception of course of POTUS.

[–]ND_Donut_Hole [スコア非表示]  (139子コメント)

Really? The thread is already awash with Clinton apologists pretending that it is perfectly reasonable for Clinton to conveniently lose all memory of learning how to handle classified intel.

Just how stupid do you think people are that they would buy that excuse?

Clinton is either an idiot or a liar and criminal. Seems that she is really gunning for that first option.

[–]Burkey [スコア非表示]  (72子コメント)

Guessing you haven't been here the past few weeks, it has been SWAMPED with this. There really is no excusing this sort of behavior and lack of judgement, which is why the "But Trump is worse" deflection has been so heavily used.

[–]sdotmills [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Good thing the front page is filled with stories about how neo nazi Twitter accounts use Trump hashtags sometimes. Much more important than reading reactions to this release.

[–]felixwhiteplz [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

She is either incompetent or she is knowingly lying and trying to cover up her crimes. Her excuse that she thought the C was for alphabetically ordering the documents... is nothing less than insulting to the FBI officer interviewing her.

There's no middle ground here. Unfit for president OR an outright criminal. Or both.

[–]CylonbabyLiam [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

There will never be a single moment ever where I will think, "You know...maybe she really didn't know what the C meant on her emails."

Come on. That's the most fallacious bullshit I've ever heard in my entire fucking life. Ever.

She worked for the Federal Government, in the State Department and as a senator. She knew what that shit meant from DAY FUCKING ONE. DAY ONE.

[–]tyrusrex [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm from Louisiana and this election is reminding me more and more of the 1991 Gubernatorial election between Edwin Edwards and David Duke. Edwards always played fast and loose with laws and would eventually go to jail and had a bit of a sleazy reputation. But luckily he was against Duke. All through the state, the motto was "Vote for the Crook".

[–]Balmarog [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So she's trying to go with the ol "I'm just retarded" defense, you know, the classic.

[–]INGWR [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

The best part about this release is that the Hillary supporters lose either way. They have to pick one of two sides:

    1. She knowingly lied and they support a truly dishonest candidate who should, under every circumstance, be indicted.
    1. Her health impacted her ability to understand simple concepts, and they support a candidate who truly can't perform the most basic job duties in a federal position.

Which door will it be?

[–]BallP [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I talked to two Hillary supporters about this in the office next to mine. They said that the whole email thing was "old news" and that the health concerns are made up by the "alt-right", which is a new name for neo-nazis.

[–]sub_reddits [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I have a feeling we will all be hearing that excuse a lot over the next couple of days.

[–]Luke15g [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

"People who question Clinton's health are desperate conspiracy theorists!"

Literally can't remember being fucking breifed on classified material due to a concusion. Didn't know the C stood for classified in emails. This is the Democratic nominee! What a fucking joke! CTR and other unpaid troglodytes will continue to try to bury this though.

[–]SMOKE_MY_WAY_OUT [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

A post on r/politics criticizing Hillary... I must be dreaming or did I travel back in time to June 2016?

[–]BalanceCoil [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

From a deleted post.

She thought the letter C for classified on the emails was some sort of alphabetizing.

She gave her blackberry sim cards to aides to be destroyed and didn't now how they were destroyed.

She couldn't recall any of her training on classified material.

Lots of I don't recalls and I can't remembers. They talk about her Bloodcot and how she had trouble remembering things as SOS

Adding to this She told the FBI she didn't think drone discussions of drone strike targets would contain classified info.

She said she didn't "pay attention" to classification markers.

[–]Maculate [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Adding to this She told the FBI she didn't think drone discussions of drone strike targets would contain classified info.

There is your smoking gun on her incompetence. Yet....get ready for, "she is the most experienced and competent candidate in US history" from now until the election. Give me a god damn fucking break. I am so sick of this manufactured consent. It is genuinely scary.

[–]ozatou [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably the most balanced, objective summary of the info in this threat. Thank you.

[–]AsymetricMemeWarfare [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The Clinton Defense: I'm literally too stupid to understand email, have not yet learned the alphabet, and have the memory recall of a dog. But I'm perfectly healthy and you can trust me with the nuke codes!

[–]hobbes19 [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

So if every paragraph is marked with a (C), did she think the state department was just bad at categorizing things alphabetically? LUL

[–]BitcoinBoo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I guess one of these threads made it through the CTR mod pool

[–]endprism [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

As Secretary of State, someone who has access to tens of thousands of classified documents and she doesn't know what the "(C)" indicates? Who the hell is she trying to fool? That is straight up a lie...either that or she's totally incompetent. Hillary's explanation that she thought it stood for markup/paragraph is so hollow.

[–]InfamousGAINS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

God this woman could not be more corrupt and/or a liar. My whole family down here in FL has refused to support her after these lies have come out.

[–]Daktush [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

I love her using her concussion as an excuse for mishandling classified information (She starting doing that before suffering her concussion, but I guess her concussion also made her forget that) but whoever questions her health is either working for the russian government or a tinfoil hat.

Edit: Be careful of who below this comment you accuse of being what since you will get banned if you aren't careful. Do check the user's comment histories in order to make your own opinions though

To the guy below me that says concussions heal. She recieved the concussion as a result of fainting caused by cerebral vein trombosis. Over 40% of patients suffer enduring symptoms ranging from mild impairment to permanent disablement and death.

[–]StealYourDucks [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I'm waiting to hear all of the Clinton supporters try to spin this as a right wing conspiracy. The mental gymnastics they do is pretty impressive.

[–]GarrioValere [スコア非表示]  (32子コメント)

If there's any one thing that would actually disqualify any candidate in the race, it's this.

[–]infinite-monkey [スコア非表示]  (22子コメント)

disqualify

Pff, she should have been indicted. She broke the law and knowingly lied about it under oath.

[–]Pewpewlazor5 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've been saying that for months - - if she claimed to have no training to the FBI - she would go to jail. She signed her name - on the training she got. FFS

[–]timmyjj3 [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

The hearings on perjury will be interesting. She openly lied to Congress and claimed she only used "one device". She KNEW she used 13 devices and told Comey this.

[–]MysticRay [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Clinton's duplicity isn't going to magically disappear when she's president and it has the potential to become much worse. We're preparing to enter an era of total non-transparency that will entail secret deals, secret surveillance and maybe even secret wars, but the most remarkable aspect of her campaign of circumvention isn't the goal to consolidate corporate power. It's that for Clinton to run the country the way she wants, she thinks she has to lie to you.

[–]SlickDigger [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What bullshit. For 12 years (8 first lady, 4 sec of state) they didn't once tell her about handling classified documents? She didn't ask?

People defending her saying "she isn't a liar I told u! She just doesn't know how to handle out countrys classified documents!"

Oh ok, thank God she is only retarded and not a liar, now she is definitely ready to be president.

[–]narcedmonkey [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So Clinton admitted she couldn't properly do her job because of brain damage.

She had no clue what a classified marking was

She failed to properly dispose of SIM cards

She lost blackberrys

Yeah let's get that prison cell ready. It's where she belongs.

[–]CrustyGrundle [スコア非表示]  (30子コメント)

"Abedin and Hanley indicated the whereabouts of Clinton's devices would frequently become unknown once she transitioned to a new device. Cooper did recall two instances where he destroyed Clinton's old mobile devices by breaking them in half or hitting them with a hammer."

Is this real life?

[–]Yearlypost2 [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

If anyone reads these documents and still think she is qualified to be President, you are a traitor to this country. Vote Trump, vote Jill Stien, vote Johnson, just not for someone this crooked or incompetent.

[–]-LetterToTheRedditor [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The FBI Provided Clinton with copies of her classified e-mails ranging from CONFIDENTIAL to TOP SECRET/SAP and Clinton said she did not believe the emails contained classified information

So not only did Clinton supposedly not know at the time they were sent, she still doesn't know the emails contained classified information. This is acceptable in a Presidential candidate? An individual who lacks the ability to identify what information jeopardizes our national security?