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[–]jeniFive 405ポイント406ポイント  (147子コメント)

Suppose i created address with name of my company lbry/:Mycompany and i bought this address at 1 LBC.

On that address i will be posting my music that i created myself. This address becomes very popular. People often going on that address and buy music created by me. After 4 months it appears my music that you can find on address lbry/:Mycompany becomes very popular. So some guys came in, he sees that many people come in to that address to buy stuff. So he buys lbry/:Mycompany with 1.1 LBC and started posting his content and sells it. So the first guy who created lbry/:Mycompany in a lose position here. He make this address very popular to attend and then he loses it. And right now it is a headeache for him to try buy back this address on greater price or make another name.

So what is the point of such system?

[–]GreenShirtedWhiteBoy 82ポイント83ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'd like to see this answered. If there's no regulation this will be invaded by spammers and scammers.

Seems about as reliable as torrenting a video. Might have malware, might be the wrong file, etc.

[–]SamueLBRYan 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are multiple levels to LBRY – hosting network, blockchain, and app. At the app level, we could (and probably should) have ratings/feedback for publishers. -Mike

[–]GreenShirtedWhiteBoy 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's probably best especially to implement early so as to avoid any potential backlash down the road. Thanks for responding, good luck.

[–]kauffj[S] 87ポイント88ポイント  (130子コメント)

First, it's important to recognize allocating names is a really difficult problem.

If we hand them out ourselves, we lose the best benefit of LBRY: that the system is controlled by the users, not any one company or organization.

If we let people buy them outright cheaply, we run into terrible extortion and speculation problems. This happened both with the traditional domain and with recent alternatives like Namecoin (something like 50 out of 200,000 names in use).

So what to do? Our answer is to allow people to control, but not outright own, URLs. We think this will result in the names being most likely to return what people are actually looking for. It also backed by some sound economics (the Nobel Prize winning Coase theorem) and one of our advisors, Alex Tabarrok, an econ chair at GMU, thinks it is the best possible design.

Our goal is to create a system where the URL a user guesses is the most likely to return what they are actually looking for. Economics says this design is the most likely to do so, because the URL is most valuable when it returns what users want.

Also worth clarifying: if you just want a URL you always own, you can do this by publishing an exact stream hash (similar to a BitTorrent magnet link). ONLY the user-friendly, English URLs are awarded via this system. Additionally, URLs take significant time to change. The original owner, and the community at large, have weeks to respond to a contested claim.

Additionally, credits are never destroyed when used for a name. They're really a lot like votes.

[–]crash90 272ポイント273ポイント  (84子コメント)

Our answer is to give names to those who value them the most.

I mean, if the goal is to make the internet less controlled by corporations this seems like a pretty big flaw. $1000 to an individual is a lot more than $1000 to a corporation. Ultimately it will only be companies who own popular addresses.

For what it's worth I appreciate that this is a hard problem and that the current model on the internet results in a lot of domain squatting.

[–]TALQVIST 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

This whole thing is a surprisingly godawful idea. How did this get funded? Jesus christ.

[–]lyoshenka 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

Besides you personally claiming a name, anyone is free to support your claim by committing their own credits. This is one of the most powerful checks against abuse by concentrated wealth. $1000 is a lot to an individual, but $1 is not a big deal to 1000 people who like what you do.

Also, keep in mind credits are never spent on name claims. They are set aside to back the name, and you can get them back or reallocate them at any time. So don't think of this as spending credits. Think of it more like voting.

[–]rekenner 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

And $10m isn't a lot to some corporations (I mean, domains have sold for millions in the past, after all), but crowd-funding that would be impossible.

[–]kauffj[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (65子コメント)

It's reasonable to be skeptical here. If LBRY is popular, super common names like lbry://film are likely to be owned by corporations.

But I don't think any corporation is going to buy out lbry://@h3h3 (papa bless). What's the point? No one would want to go there anymore and you'd just be an evil jerk.

On edit: Also important to know nothing switches instantly. There is a lot of time (weeks) to respond to someone trying to take over a URL. This means both the original owner or the community can stop it. Plus, past entries do not disappear, and you can warn on changes, etc.

[–]wap1971 230ポイント231ポイント  (10子コメント)

I think you're seriously underestimating internet trolls. People will most definitely buy out a username just to fuck with someone.

[–]morsk 66ポイント67ポイント  (7子コメント)

And not only trolls. Many activists will do anything destructive or annoying within their means.

[–]MostazaAlgernon 191ポイント192ポイント  (19子コメント)

So no safeguards against bigger fish eating your shit then. Got it

[–]Wwwi7891 50ポイント51ポイント  (17子コメント)

And this is why you should never let engineers design anything that end users actually have to interact with.

[–]HentMas 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is all Very nice and good, but we already know trollers companies and hackers don't give a single f@#k about looking evil, how many accounts have being held for ramson from their owners?? I like the idea of a YouTube alternative but I don't think this will fill that space, thank you for your good intentions, but you are not adressing the biggest reason why people want a YouTube alternative, which is protection from big companies taking away their content

EDIT: this comment was made before the clarification about being able to fight for your domain, there are still details about the whole process then that should be addressed before I can give a more informed opinion in this case, I won't delete my comment because I never do that, but bear in mind that we have not yet being given an explanation on how the process works and if it will costs us money to do it.

[–]OutOfNiceUsernames 37ポイント38ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's the point?

  • using the popular addresses for marketing, traffic, and SEO (like jeniFive said);
  • blackmailing \ “trolling” the original owners to coerce money out of them;
  • using popular and trusted addresses for hacking visitors, growing botnets, collecting data
  • griefing

[–]sockrepublic 33ポイント34ポイント  (2子コメント)

But I don't think any corporation is going to buy out lbry://@h3h3 (papa bless). What's the point?

To hold them ransom. Just look at domain name sitting, there's clearly precedent for this. And if you'd just hand it back to the 'rightful' owner how would you differentiate between a 'rightful' and a 'non-rightful' owner?

[–]sango_wango 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

So say I'm Youtube, and am threatened by your business model. I wonder how much money I'd have to spend to systematically target the most popular content creators on your platform for repeated harassment by just buying out their name and then repeating whenever they get a new one? How long until they give up and come back to using my (entirely free and without the possibility of this happening) service? It could be economically in my best interests to buy out names and then use them for nothing, and my pockets are very deep.

[–]teryret 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

I mean, that's basically what's going on right now with patents... anything worth owning is more accessible to corporations than individuals. And thus, individuals will never have anything worth owning.

[–]VoilaVoilaWashington 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tell me why I should invest any effort into promoting my work if someone else can swoop in and buy the brand (without even really paying me for it)?

Sure, I can just register a new address and continue on, but how many will follow?

One of the biggest factors in a wealthy society is the rule of law - if there's a constant risk of a corrupt official coming in and stealing money, I have no incentive to work hard at building it. Even a communist (or whatever) country does best when hard work is rewarded, rather than just letting the factory manager take credit for everything and assign blame.

So why would I build a following at an address when that address could be pulled out from under me on a whim?

[–]bombeater 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

System abuse is a critical path. If you don't ask yourself "How could our product be used to ruin someone's mood, day, business, career, or life?", then you're adding to the internet trash fire that makes places like Reddit and Twitter so horrendous.

You must find ways to empower your users without empowering abusers to victimize people with impunity. We're in the Information Age; there's no excuse for failing to implement safety features.

Start now. Please. People have been stalked, ostracized, financially ruined, and harassed into suicide due in part to the negligence of platforms like Twitter, Tumblr, Facebook, and Reddit. Don't wait until someone gets hurt. If you really want to build a better internet, you cannot ignore this just because it doesn't seem like a big deal. Feel free to DM me if you'd like more specific feedback or recommendations on who can advise you more consistently.

You could start with Anil Dash's article, If your website's full of assholes, it's your fault.

[–]whisperingmoon 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just to confirm-- you're building a model to evade the influence of corporations but it also hinges on those with greater sums of money not being, quote, "evil jerks?" This doesn't make much sense.

[–]IAmBadAtPlanningAhea 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

But nothing is stopping a corporation from buying out lbry://@h3h3 right? So the point would be to buy it out and capitalize on the popularity before people realize the change and bail. It would be even easier to do to a single person who gets popular.

[–]FenrisFrost 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you will see something different, where it gets bought out purely to destroy competition.

Much cheaper than a cease and desist.

[–]JamEngulfer221 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Given the history of people like 4chan for internet shenanigans, I'm 100% sure people will crowd fund taking away large people's domains.

I'm also sure people will see the domains of small creators and take them for fun, possibly holding the domain hostage until payment is given.

[–]br41n 46ポイント47ポイント  (2子コメント)

So whoever pays the most wins? Or have I misunderstood?

[–]dellday 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

So I buy a piece of land for a $1. Then I build a $100k house on it. Not only is the land up for auction for the highest bidder, say $2, but I don't receive the proceeds from the auction? Tell me I'm wrong on this.

[–]greendepths 96ポイント97ポイント  (13子コメント)

Our answer is to give names to those who value them the most

Thats bullshit-talk for "who has the most money". Who has the most money? Corporations. My money is on vid.me. At least they dont have any bullshit "This is for the community...."-hot air blowing.

[–]OutOfNiceUsernames 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

My money is on vid.me.

Vid.me operates on the same principles Youtube does, though, so even if they are currently using the monthly-Youtube-controversy to pander to the userbase, eventually (if they manage to get big enough) they will have to incorporate the same types of bullshit laws that Youtube is currently operating under.

As an example, lawsuits alone from prominent copyright holders would easily choke any Youtube lookalike if it chose to not adopt their definitions of fair use. Same with costs that a big video hosting has to cover (data centres, in\out traffic, personnel / stuff salaries, energy put into moderation against illegal content like CP, etc).

[–]iciPiracy 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

That doesn't mean LBRY suddenly is the solution.

[–]theciaskaelie 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You hit the nail on the head here. This policy just screams kickstarter-style bs for quick cash.

[–]ShoggothEyes 55ポイント56ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is very anti-user and will kill lbry before it has a chance.

[–]morhp 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like you didn't answer this question properly. What exact mechanisms are there in place to prevent someone from stealing a very popular name if he has lots of money?

[–]teryret 45ポイント46ポイント  (5子コメント)

It also backed by some sound economics (the Nobel Prize winning Coase theorem) and one of our advisors, Alex Tabarrok, an econ chair at GMU, thinks it is the best possible design.

Setting aside the selection bias (of course your advisor thinks its a good idea, if he thought you were doing the wrong thing he wouldn't be your advisor). The Coase theorem just means that with low transaction costs you reach a Pareto optimal state. The problem is, Pareto optimality is a local optimum, so all you get from the Coase theorem is the argument that "the system will reach a reasonably okay solution". What you do not get is any reason to suspect that the solution is anywhere near the "best possible" anything (that'd be the global optimum).

And in general you wouldn't expect it either. Everything in economics is based on self-interested parties. So as a thought experiment I put to you, how could it be that a collection of self-interested parties could ever out preform a collection of cooperative parties (which in the case of distributed protocols you can have)? Obviously it cannot; the proof is trivial, cooperative parties can act as self-interested parties, but not vice versa, so the algorithms available based on cooperation are a strict superset of the algorithms available to economics. That's why economics people worry about local maxima but computer scientists don't.

[–]Isophix 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That was a very educated reply.

Can you offer a layman's version?

[–]teryret 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure. I'm basically pointing out the flaws in the logic of the marketing line. In optimization (real optimization, the computer science kind) there are two kinds of optima, local and global. Global optima are solutions that cannot be improved on (Helen of Troy), whereas local optima are solutions that are not adjacent to better solutions (the most beautiful girl in the whole wide room). Econ people like to bandy about the term "Pareto optimal" because it has the word "optimal" in it which suggests it's the best possible. Unfortunately when you look at the definition of Pareto optimality you find that it is really just another name for a local optimum.

In terms of LBRY, what I'm suggesting is that they look beyond the econ literature to find name distribution algorithms that may work better than "constantly auctioning". For example, they might adapt a distributed trust algorithm like a variant on the consensus algorithm used by the Ripple cryptocurrency (which flopped hard as a currency, but consensus was actually brilliant).

[–]Bumgardner 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. What mechanism do you have in place or do you have in mind for "send me x btc and I release your name claim," style attacks?

  2. What incentive is there for an individual to invest in the popularity of their particular address given they do not have a privileged position of ownership in such?

  3. Why do you think that Coase's theorem is relevant given your system is not analogous to property rights in of that an individual cannot reap benefit through sale of investment in their property?

[–]randomdude4321 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

yea as great as it is that someone is trying to make a valid youtube alternative, this is fundamentally flawed...

[–]googolplexbyte 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Have you consider a Georgian model of ownership, in which the owners pay a cut of the value to all other users in exchange for monopolising the domain.

It'd prevent speculation and ensure good domains are put to use.

[–]EpsilonRose 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

How are you determining value and what counts as a user?

[–]h3lblad3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Georgians were pro market, but anti land ownership. Likely they mean that a market or bidding or something would exist as in LBRY but some percentage of "tax" on "value" would be paid in order to keep monopoly on the page. That tax taken either to give to LBRY in order to help fund and provide services to users (someone who has "bought" a url) or used to provide payments to other users so that smaller ones can more easily provide content.

Speculation though since I can't read the previous poster's mind, either.

[–]JDub8 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well whadya know an economics guy is pleased with an economics based solution that hes getting paid out of. Whats his cut?

Nobel prizes are handed out for quality work, not how its used. I could design an explosive with 1000% more efficiency than TNT and win a Nobel prize. Doesn't mean its a good thing when this explosive is used to kill humans.

Just say it man. Greed is good.

[–]ArcadeNineFire 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worth noting the "Nobel prize" in economics is handed out by a different body than the other Nobel Prizes. Still prestigious, but not the same thing.

[–]TheNameThatShouldNot 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

[Our answer is to give names to those who value them the most]

[If we hand them out ourselves, we lose the best benefit of LBRY]

Perhaps, rather than contradicting, you could just reserve all youtube usernames and allow them to integrate.

[–]sblinn 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Economics says this design is the most likely to do so, because the URL is most valuable when it returns what users want.

As someone who tried to publish a small press magazine, and had to compete with the advertising budgets of diamond shops, car salesmen, and orthodontists, this is a dubious claim. Many activities have low (to no) profit in them. If (it won't, but even if) lbry:/sblinn became popular for some of my crappy literary criticism or whatever, it would be a pittance, and likely a short term profitable one, for any serious corporation to just buy the URL over the top, serve some of their high end ads, until the popularity of the URL is toast and they've extracted whatever they wanted from it.

[–]Daktush 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think having uploaded content should add to the value a person has to that link, and by a lot. Or needing the original user's authorization if you want to buy their domain if XYZ conditions are met (Uploaded videos, uploaded recently, maybe some traffic numbers, linked to e-mail / telephone number with authenticator to log in)

There really need to be safeguards against people taking over addresses of small content creators which will not have the means to defend themselves.

[–]nikooo777 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

People are completely misunderstanding and debating over this.

Think about it this way: suppose you're the first to upload a video to youtube called "epic music", even if the video is completely crap, it will still show up as first result and people will click it. Now, person 2 comes and sees that "epic music" has some value and decides to do something better out of it and uploads a better video named "epic music".

As the second video is better, people will shift attention to it and it will become the first result of the search.

Person 1 can only get it back if they offer a better content than Person 2 has "bid" with.

This is not a DNS-like copycat, i'm pretty sure you don't want people going on a spree buying 1000 names and holding them forever until someone pays a bounty to get the name back.

[–]MacroMeez 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

As the second video is better, people will shift attention to it and it will become the first result of the search..

It sounds like that's not the case. How would users"decide which is better". It sounds like they're automatically redirected to user 2 whether it's better or not

[–]MilesPower 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't understand what "better" means in this context? Who decides what is better? How is that decided? What metric does the system use to analyze "better" and decide that is the new top result?

[–]Bucky_Ohare 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

As they've stated; money, time, and resources.

Basically, everything a corporation has over an individual user.

[–]thomaszarebczan 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lbry will have a way of combating pirating. See https://lbry.io/what Combating the Ugly section.

[–]Jaerin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

So if they can unilaterally remove content that is infringing, what stops them from removing content for any other reason?

[–]Porunga 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/jeniFive isn't talking about piracy, though. They're talking about how easy it would be for wealthy entities to take popular addresses from the people who created them.

[–]BuddhaSpader 104ポイント105ポイント  (62子コメント)

So can you explain what you mean by save the internet? Why is your site something that can replace YouTube? But congrats on raising half a million!

[–]kauffj[S] 87ポイント88ポイント  (61子コメント)

We see the internet as being controlled more and more by corporations and governments instead of the way it was originally intended to work: a way for anyone to share information with anyone else.

LBRY helps move the internet from corporate and government control and back into the hands of everyday users and people.

[–]Shensmobile 177ポイント178ポイント  (34子コメント)

What happens when LBRY becomes larger and larger and eventually you need to take on more staff, which will eventually want to get paid. You then set up a bank account to manage collective funds which can be used to pay your staff, and oh no, you're now a corporation yourself. How will you be any different as you continue to grow?

[–]HothHanSolo 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Wikimedia Foundation is a good model for this. Imperfect, but I no group of humans is ever flawless.

[–]FrancisGalloway 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wikimedia is the gold standard for decentralized, user-controlled services. Operating costs are covered by donations, of which they get plenty because they're providing an extremely popular service.

[–]kauffj[S] 49ポイント50ポイント  (24子コメント)

Well, one of the really cool (and to be fair, also scary) aspects of LBRY is that it is an open source, community-controlled protocol once it's released. So we simply do not have the power that these other companies have to make unilateral changes.

[–]EelingSoGood 89ポイント90ポイント  (8子コメント)

You say on your website:

LBRY is an improvement over BitTorrent in combatting unsavory content...LBRY will publish and maintain a blacklist of infringing names. All clients we release and all legal clients will have to follow our blacklist, or one like it, or face substantial penalties. Especially because… At significant traffic volume, if infringing content can’t be outright removed or blocked, transaction fees will make it prohibitively expensive.

So which is it? Will it "move the internet from corporate and government control and back into control of everyday users and people" or will it keep centralized control, only making the LBRY group the arbiter now?

We can split hairs and say "it will still be possible for everday users to publish content we mark as infringing, it will just be much more difficult" but how is that a meaningful improvement over the situation today? Saying it will be slightly less difficult is a knock against your anti-piracy claims.

I feel like you are dog whistling one thing to people who are tired of having their content being dishonestly taken down by centralized authorities (which inevitably become corrupt and successfully leaned on by political interests), and dog whistling another thing to people who are tired of others using their content in contexts without centralized authority.

[–]kauffj[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

Great question and this is a confusing point, because we sometimes use the word LBRY to mean both the protocol and the browser.

We can do absolutely no censoring at the protocol level.

We are likely legally obligated to censor at the browser level, and will likely do so.

That's why it's explained both ways.

[–]RiskyShift 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

We are likely legally obligated to censor at the browser level, and will likely do so.

Really? Web browsers aren't required to blacklist domain names with copyright infringing material. What's the difference in this case?

Also if the browser is open source I could just remove the blacklist right?

[–]Bucky_Ohare 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

There will always be an administrative control, a type of maintenance, someone to 'clean the tubes.'

The point I think they're getting at, is that someone's going to ultimately be holding the 'keys,' and as you grow responsibility can only be openly delegated so far. How do you expect the continued longevity of a system using 'community controlled protocol' to preserve itself? Are you expecting this to essentially run like a decentralized file sharing alternative like the ones of yester-year?

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    [–]DisarmingBaton5 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You did not answer the question.

    Red flaaaaags

    [–]bjorneylol 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm assuming it works the same as bitcoin, in that if the community doesn't like a change to the LBRY protocol, as long as 25% of the network nodes don't update to the new protocol then the change won't get pushed through

    [–]kauffj[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

    But that is the difference. If we wanted to do something evil (we don't, btw), the community can simply take the technology and keep it the way it was always intended.

    [–]EelingSoGood 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

    (we don't, btw)

    Well that comforts me almost as much as Google's old Don't Be Evil motto, now that they are financially punishing people with any ideas they deem controversial on youtube.

    the community can simply take the technology and keep it the way it was always intended.

    Okay but they can do the same with HTTP. I could host a video that I regard as non-infringing on a torrent, initially seeded from only encrypted connections on my own computer. What is LBRY's advantage over that? Why should people invest time in learning it if it doesn't offer an advantage over that?

    [–]SquareSail 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Source of funding?

    [–]bitchipper 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's from a combination of tech and media based seed firms. The names will start coming out next week (they have their own PR plans, but blessed this post). It's all equity in the company itself. The company has no plans to sell any LBC for as long as possible (at least a year).

    [–]puckerings 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Funding provided by corporations. Intended to avoid corporate influence. Not sure that checks out. They're starting out beholden to the firms providing the funding.

    [–]doogie88 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Then they sell out like every other site that said they were different, what do you think?

    They already have investors as they just mentioned... so... hmm...

    [–]daegonphyn 18ポイント19ポイント  (10子コメント)

    The original intent of the internet was as a communication platform for academia and the military, and was funded by governments. It only expanded into common use because corporations saw it as a worthwhile investment. Your PR message sounds nice, but not true.

    Remaining in the same vein, since ISPs and governments still have control over the back end how does LBRY "help move the internet from corporate and government control and back into control of everyday users and people"? What's to stop an ISP/government from simply blocking LBRY?

    [–]nikooo777 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

    you can't simply block TCP packets. the ISP has absolutely no way of blocking LBRY protocol without blocking the internet connection itself.

    Pretty much why torrenting is still not blocked (thanks god) and why TOR (developed by FBI IIRC) is still widely used as a "dark web" entry point.

    [–]paul_33 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

    So if Facebook offers you guys 3 billion today in a buyout, you'll refuse?

    [–]nikooo777 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

    the project is open source, even if they were to accept the money and stop development, I could still come up as a complete stranger and continue it.

    [–]okiyama 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Not with a blockchain based technology. The longest chain wins, so you wouldn't be able to just show up, make a contribution and be on with it. You'd need to convince the network to choose you over the existing implementation.

    [–]nikooo777 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    so, do you think the "facebook" blockchain would win against the "community of lbry" blockchain?

    If your answer is yes, then that means people are fine with facebook rather than with lbry. obviously nothing can work without consent and support.

    [–]andygates2323 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    So it's self-hosting of streaming media? Self-hosting only appeals to nerds, and it's too much hassle for most of us. Remember Diaspora, the self-hosted in-control social network? Exactly.

    [–]nikooo777 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    it's not really self hosting: once you publish your content, it will be uploaded to the network and spread in blobs.

    Your content will be available as long as there is interest for your content and someone in the network has the blobs required.

    [–]andygates2323 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ah, bittorrent stylee. How does discovery work? Limitless suggested "next cute kitten video"s will be necessary for uptake :)

    [–]Marou_ 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Many internet providers offer 1/10th or less upstream bandwidth with a package than they do downstream bandwidth.

    If an application maxes out your upstream bandwidth you can't play games, use VOIP, or do anything else requiring low latency.

    Following this logic your company will likely need to run many "super-peers" to ensure the quality of service isn't horrible when playing unpopular videos (eg, most of them), and your software will need to automatically throttle itself to a percentage of available upstream bandwidth instead of consuming it all.

    Since your "Combating the Ugly" FAQ section lists that you can unilaterally blacklist content and remove things...I'm not really understanding the way in which you're supposed to be superior to hosted content from an end-user perspective.

    What am I missing, or not understanding?

    [–]Deku-shrub 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Ideally they would allow you to buy or accumulate credits to spend later to handle this, people are innovating in this space but the issue is not yet solved

    [–]kauffj[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    LBRY creates a data marketplace. If there is not enough end-user bandwidth, there is significant profit incentive for larger operations or ISPs to get involved.

    We need to make that FAQ clearer, we CANNOT unilaterally remove content. We may have an obligation to censor results returned by our browser, but this is not censorship at the protocol level.

    [–]Jesse_Livermore 25ポイント26ポイント  (17子コメント)

    "raised a half million dollars"... Can you expound on that? VC firm? Angel? Equity or LBC?

    [–]kauffj[S] 29ポイント30ポイント  (16子コメント)

    It's from a combination of tech and media based seed firms. The names will start coming out next week (they have their own PR plans, but blessed this post).

    It's all equity in the company itself. The company has no plans to sell any LBC for as long as possible (at least a year).

    [–]bitchipper 16ポイント17ポイント  (15子コメント)

    So the LBRY team is a company?

    [–]kauffj[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (14子コメント)

    Yes, we're a company. But everything we release is open source and can be used by anyone. Once the technology is in the wild, we can no longer control it -- only users do.

    [–]LordDongler 26ポイント27ポイント  (4子コメント)

    How do you plan to get that half million dollars back for your investors?

    [–]fnovd 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    With the money from the next round of investors, of course!

    [–]SamueLBRYan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We're building a new ecosystem and so we hope to be well-positioned to compete within that ecosystem – offering value-added services to publishers and users. -Mike

    [–]Moose_Hole 24ポイント25ポイント  (15子コメント)

    How will DMCA takedown notices affect your content?

    [–]okiyama 15ポイント16ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Unilateral removal. The LBRY naming system allows for quick, unilateral acquisition of infringing URIs. Once a BitTorrent magnet hash is in the wild, there is no mechanism to update or alter its resolution whatsoever. If a LBRY name is pointing to infringing content, it can be seized according to clear rules.

    They'll take it down

    [–]RegulusMagnus 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sounds like the name/address/URI is taken down, not the content itself.

    [–]Jaerin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So if they can take that content down what prevents them from censoring just like Youtube does? Who determines what is considered infringing content? It's the same problem as we have right now, just there is a different company profiting off of the exchange.

    [–]lyoshenka 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

    They will point you to the best content ;-)

    We will maintain blocklists of infringing content that clients can choose to subscribe to. All of the official LBRY clients will use these lists. That said, we have no central authority over the blockchain and do not have the ability to remove any content from it.

    [–]LovecraftInDC 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Isn't that the same argument that was used by limewire and kazaa and a whole bunch of other p2p clients which eventually got shut down?

    EDIT: Also, doesn't that exactly contrast with what your website says on this matter?

    Unilateral removal. The LBRY naming system allows for quick, unilateral acquisition of infringing URIs. Once a BitTorrent magnet hash is in the wild, there is no mechanism to update or alter its resolution whatsoever. If a LBRY name is pointing to infringing content, it can be seized according to clear rules.

    [–]kushangaza 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

    [Disclaimer: I only learned about LBRY today]

    Surfing your homepage I found this article about your beta waitlist. According to the article, you have 100 000 users on your waitlist and plan invite 500 users from the waitlist each week. At that pace I should get my beta invite in about four years. Probably later, because I will be overtaken by users who register tons of junk accounts.

    Yet here you are, generating publicity and telling you to "get LBRY ASAP" by entering you waitlist. What am I missing here? Has your handling of the waitlist changed in the last two weeks or do we have to settle in for a really long wait?

    [–]SamueLBRYan 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The rate of invites is being increased. We're already up to 1,000 additions per week. Also, we have techniques for weeding out junk accounts and bogus referrals.

    [–]kushangaza 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Assuming no referals at all, and assuming you continue to double the rate of additions every two weeks, I will get my invite in only 12 weeks. Yay!?

    [–]Quelandoris 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

    What would be the networking/bandwidth overhead for watching videos through Lbry? How does it compare to watching videos through YouTube?

    You mentioned that every computer on the network makes it stronger, are you referring to functionality similar to seeding a torrent? If so, what can I expect the impact on my upload/download speeds to be like when I'm not actively using Lbry?

    Will putting videos on Lbry require me to host my own server and pay for a domain? If so, how do you expect new content creators to grow in an area with a cost and time overhead, when other platforms like YouTube have only a time overhead? Is this platform built only for established youtubers? Do you fear that Lbry will stagnate without the constant influx of new content-creators that YouTube has?

    If you plan to offset the initial costs of your platform by hosting your own servers, how do you plan to pay for those servers?

    I have some other questions, but those are my immediate concerns with this platform.

    [–]kauffj[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Just "some" of your questions? This is a lot!

    • The bandwidth is similar to streaming other video (slightly better) and will depend on quality.
    • The performance is quite fast! We're not quite at YouTube speed, but videos will start in 1-2 seconds and we believe we can make further improvements.
    • Yes, similar to a torrent. It's up to you if you want to contribute your bandwidth, but you get compensated if you do.
    • You do not need to buy a server or a domain. The startup costs are very low.

    [–]Saxman17 41ポイント42ポイント  (24子コメント)

    Your half a million dollars came from somewhere and any subsequent funding will come from someone attempting to get return on investment as well. What do you offer to an advertiser that YouTube doesn't?

    How do you plan to expand to rival YouTube when the largest investors and advertisers will likely have the same content requirements that YouTube is enforcing now?

    [–]kauffj[S] 30ポイント31ポイント  (23子コメント)

    LBRY is a lot different than YouTube - it's a technology not a service. So as a company, we simply do not have the capacity to censor the network. LBRY's legal requirements are a lot different than YouTube's (and we've been working with a lawyer since day one).

    The investment in LBRY is from firms that believe in our position to sell paid (OPTIONAL) services on top. Similar to the way other open source companies make money.

    [–]Katsundere 18ポイント19ポイント  (12子コメント)

    How exactly will you be dealing with illegal content then?

    [–]kauffj[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (7子コメント)

    The same way HTTP does.

    [–]LITERALLY_NOT_SATAN 12ポイント13ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Which is what?

    [–]Ariakkas10 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

    HTTP doesn't discriminate. bits be bits

    [–]okiyama 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Unilateral removal. The LBRY naming system allows for quick, unilateral acquisition of infringing URIs. Once a BitTorrent magnet hash is in the wild, there is no mechanism to update or alter its resolution whatsoever. If a LBRY name is pointing to infringing content, it can be seized according to clear rules.

    Looks like they will respond to DMCA takedown requests by removing the offending URI.

    [–]kauffj[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We may be legally obligated to censor browsers we release. This is not censorship at the protocol level. This is confusing, will fix.

    [–]greyjackal 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It doesn't. That's the point. It's simply a protocol.

    [–]unidentifiable 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    HTTP is a protocol, a technical standard. Nothing in HTTP deals with illegal content. Are you talking about restrictive access like 403 - Forbidden and 451 - Restricted?

    [–]bitchipper 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Lbry will have a way of combating pirating. See https://lbry.io/what Combating the Ugly section.

    [–]Quelandoris 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Could you elaborate on those paid services?

    [–]kauffj[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Specialty publishing tools and services for top publishers, analytics tools, paid devices (e.g. LBRY dongle), paid software, paid support, and financial and settlement services are just SOME of the ways :)

    [–]BSscience 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

    LBRY is a lot different than YouTube - it's a technology not a service. So as a company, we simply do not have the capacity to censor the network.

    That's what YouTube tried to say in its early days: "We're just a platform, we don't generate content, it's stuff that people are uploading".

    [–]bubaganuush 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

    It's nothing like what Youtube claimed. A platform and a protocal are two very different things.

    [–]BSscience 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Clearly you've forgotten where youtube comes from. For a long time they would let their users upload anything, shrug, and go "it's our users bro"

    [–]animalrobot 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

    What was your motivation to create an all encompassing 'platform' ie. your own blockchain, dns, currency etc.? Why not build a YouTube-like client for IPFS using pre-existing cryptocurrencies as the payment system...intuitively, it seems like that approach would be more decentralized and interoperable.

    [–]lyoshenka 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We talk about the reasons for creating our own blockchain here: https://lbry.io/news/why-doesnt-lbry-just-use-bitcoin

    The TL;DR is that there are technical things we can do with our own blockchain that we cannot do with Bitcoin, and that competition between blockchains is a good thing.

    [–]LBRYcurationbot 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's also worth mentioning: nothing technologically prohibits a publisher from accepting bitcoin or even dollars. This is on the near-future roadmap.

    [–]MuchRedditLessTime 16ポイント17ポイント  (4子コメント)

    So you're going in direct competition to vid.me after their new announcement?

    [–]kauffj[S] 34ポイント35ポイント  (3子コメント)

    vid.me is just another YouTube clone. They suffer the same problems - they will have to censor their content when they go to places like Iran or China and they can change the rules at any time.

    LBRY is an open source technology that can be used by anyone. It's a protocol. No video service existing works like this currently.

    [–]MuchRedditLessTime 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ah, I misunderstood, so (though the specification isn't the same) it's more similar to Bittorrent than a video sharing site like YouTube?

    [–]bitchipper 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think it's most similar to IPFS. Look it up if you haven't heard of it. Very interesting.

    [–]shredtilldeth 61ポイント62ポイント  (15子コメント)

    This isn't the first time a company has tried to offer an alternative after a big website pisses off the internet.

    Ideas like this are notorious for failure. See: Voat and the fact that we're still on Reddit. Do you have any plans to avoid the usual fate of these types of "alternative" sites? How will you get users to flock to your service other than advertising as a YouTube alternative?

    [–]kauffj[S] 31ポイント32ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Great question.

    LBRY isn't really an alternative to these sites. It's a technology. It makes sense that simply copying existing services wouldn't work. But this is an open standard that can be used by anyone anywhere -- it's a lot different.

    The reception we've gotten from publishers so far has been absolutely tremendous. They love the idea of no longer using 45% of their revenue to a company that does something not that hard -- and then disrespects it's user to boot.

    We've talked about our strategies some in other answers as well.

    [–]okiyama 34ポイント35ポイント  (5子コメント)

    The underlying stuff is different but the use cases are the same. I'm a dude that wants to watch funny cat videos, I'm going to choose a place to go to do that. Even if you have the coolest tech in the world under the hood, you're still trying to beat Youtube et al. to get me to watch funny cat videos on your platform. It seems really suspect to me that you outright deny being an alternative.

    Also, what do you mean by

    that does something not that hard

    ? Youtube uses 15% of the bandwidth on earth. That is not an easy thing to do. Youtube has some of the most impressive, and expensive, server infrastructure that has even existed.

    [–]ayyyooo 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We're the nerds behind LBRY: a decentralized, community-owned YouTube alternative

    LBRY isn't really an alternative to these sites

    hmm... May want to think about your choice of words before you speak to the public on behalf of your company.

    [–]mattjawad 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    LBRY: a decentralized, community-owned YouTube alternative

    LBRY isn't really an alternative to these sites.

    Which is it?

    [–]nikooo777 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

    it should be noted that this project wasn't born yesterday for the purpose of countering the new policies of youtube. This project has been around for much longer.

    [–]kushangaza 13ポイント14ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Every computer connected to and running LBRY helps make the network stronger.

    It’s currently in an expanding beta because we need to be careful in how we grow and scale the network.

    Aren't those two phrases in contradiction with each other?

    [–]kauffj[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

    In theory, the first is true and we're confident will be true at scale.

    In practice, the software is buggy and we don't have the bandwidth to immediately handle too many users at once.

    [–]patchbag 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    In what way?

    [–]blahdot3h 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Saying that every computer makes it stronger but if they get too many computers it will make it weaker, thus they need to be careful.

    [–]Inkflicker 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Is LBRY the final name of the technology? I don't think it is very catchy, something you will need to become well known.

    [–]tenminuteslate 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Question : how do you pronounce Lbry?

    [–]SamueLBRYan 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oooh! I know this one! "Library". From Merriam-Webster: \ˈlī-ˌbrer-ē, -ˌbre-rē; British usually & US sometimes -brər-ē; US sometimes -brē, ÷-ˌber-ē, -ˌbe-rē\

    [–]skylark8503 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I didn't have time to ready all of the FAQ, but what's stopping me from grabbing the lbry spot for famous things that I didn't do?

    [–]donquixote1991 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Do you have any creators that have expressed interest in your platform? (Don't need to mention names. A simple yes or no will do!)

    [–]kauffj[S] 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yes, definitely! One of our biggest is a film w/ David Cross and Julia Stiles called Its A Disaster (Oscilloscope Pictures).

    We've also got a number of YouTube channels committed. One cool one is Million Dollar Extreme, a comedy troupe recently signed by Adult Swim.

    [–]10ftsurf 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I like the idea! On the whole, it doesn't seem like it is very user friendly and even probably has a significant learning curve. Do you feel your platform is something a "general" user can use?

    [–]SamueLBRYan 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Right now there are a variety of kinks that make it tricky for general users to get started. Of course, that's why it's in beta: it's under development. And it's being developed with general users in mind. At the end of the day, normal users won't have to understand all the technical ins-and-outs to use it. It should be easy plug-and-play. That is our goal. If it isn't, we have failed at our mission.

    I can personally say (as probably the least tech/nerdy on the team) that I've had very few problems playing around with the beta on my Mac. I think the main barrier to entry is acquiring LBRY Credits (LBC) – which is already fairly easy to do through a number of mainstream exchanges.

    [–]trialmonkey 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Why didn't you pick a name that was easier to remember? Something with real words or whatnot?

    [–]My_Dad_Would_Kill_Me 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The LRBY promotional video is hosted on YouTube... Am I missing something, or is that an ironic misstep?

    [–]disizreeeturdid 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

    So some cunts build a cryptocoin based url penny auction site, that actively encourages fucking over content creators and some dumb fucking retards said that's a $500,000 dollar idea and it's going to replace YouTube. Fuck my ass is this 1998 again?

    [–]GreenShirtedWhiteBoy 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I feel like the endgame here (and I'm not naive enough to think you dont as well) is that you get bought out.

    So what's the point of raising donations from the community? Seems disingenuine from the outside.

    [–]stulk2016 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Why was it decided to give priority to OS X, Android, Linux and Android , while leaving out the most important and widely use platform, Windows?

    [–]thomaszarebczan 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most open source software starts in the 'nix realm and then is ported over to Windows.

    [–]LBRYcurationbot 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Windows is in pre-release right now, it should be available in a week or two!

    [–]Aperture_Kubi 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Then why do your big AMA now? Why not wait until Windows was officially supported?

    [–]RobBobGlove 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    what's the deal with copyrights? How will you handle not only people sharing copyrighted stuff but companies abusing the system ?

    [–]joeyoungblood 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm a fan of decentralization, but your system seems big and clunky and very unfamiliar. How do you plan on tackling education of the public and UX issues? How do you plan to court marketers and Brands? And how will you bring value to investors?

    [–]RGod27 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    When you say blockchain, is it really a distributed ledger?

    [–]OnTheMF 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Very interesting startup and use of blockchain. I've done some work on other blockchain projects as a developer, so I'm very curious how you manage to decentralize the provisioning of encryption keys for paid videos?

    [–]you_are_a_hamburger4 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What does it take to be a crypto hipster? Also, could I be an honorary graduate of your website? I'm low on the qualifications, see.

    [–]XCRINGE 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    maybe stop saying nerd?

    [–]MrIvysaur 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Let's save the internet?

    What's happening to it?

    [–]loosterbooster 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

    are dinosaur suits mandatory or only encouraged business wear at HQ?

    [–]seamus522 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think it's only they're mandated travel attire

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    [–]DCnotAC 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    So often these projects are made in response to some controversy on a site like Youtube, that later become resolved or just forgotten about.

    What will you be doing to stay relevant beyond the scope of this current issue Youtube is having?

    [–]nikooo777 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    as said above, this project isn't coming out today as a solution to youtube's new policies.

    This project has been around for much longer, this is just pretty much a coincidence.... and an opportunity

    [–]Narretz 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    What's with the name? Easier to pronounce and spell would be better.

    [–]bosshog182 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Sounds like a money grab, how much of the half mil is going to your pockets?

    [–]danhakimi 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Woo RPI!

    Is chromecast support feasible? Are you working on it?

    [–]superm8n 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How do you guys plan on monetizing this for users?

    [–]SnelmFishing 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I want to preface this question by saying that I just want to learn more, I'm not trying to be a cynic. How does this save the Internet?

    [–]ILoveYouSoVeryMuch 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You need a browser extension? That's enough for me not to try it. Good luck replacing youtube.

    [–]slccsoccer28 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How did this shit get upvoted? This is just blatant advertising.

    It's clear from the titles and the answers to these questions that these guys have nothing more than an idea at this point.

    [–]walstibs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How do you make money?

    [–]eutohkgtorsatoca 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Shocking to read so much comments about money evading and changing hands for an "open source" project. Is open source also defined to die? The thing is, how a non IT geek to clearly understand this project? I love and use popular products like libre office the gimp etc..but in the moment this new project simply sounds frightening. All I can take from it atthistime that my computer may be just vulnerable to one more source. There need to be a vulgarisation for the public at large for this to rely be an open source success.

    [–]THE_LORD_HERESY 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Ok, I have several questions to ask.

    1. How did you guys raise funding?

    2. Are you still looking for investors?

    3. What is your company culture like?

    4. What incentives are you providing to early adopters (content uploaders) at this point in time?

    You can answer openly or via PM if you like.

    Thanks,

    THE LORD HERESY

    [–]SamueLBRYan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    1. We've been reaching out to angels and VCs for a little while. Then had a meeting with someone who clicked with the team.

    2. Yes

    3. Distributed, like the technology. We're spread all over meatspace but work together like an ensemble cast.

    4. $1000 in LBC to start! See https://lbry.io/publish

    -Mike

    [–]DeadODST 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This confuses me. Why does this exist? YouTube is great. The only issue with YouTube is shitty content creators. But you can ignore those. YouTube has gotten a lot better over the years in terms of performance. Maybe it is hard for a new content creator to grow but that does not mean it is not possible and I see no alternative to that in LBRY. In fact I see the opposite. It's like YouTube but rather than owning your channel, it could be bought! What!!?? This is the stupidest thing ever. Its a miracle that you got 1/2 million for this. You should take the money and run before you invest it in a failing business.

    [–]ThaiTeaWhyTeas 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    How much money will it take to get started?

    I'm glad someone is doing this, it's all I could think about since this bs started. kudos! I'll use your site.

    [–]Wwwi7891 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How do you intend to counter the possible use of it to distribute highly illegal content? Not so much pirated content or anything like that, but actually morally wrong content like CP.

    [–]redtoasti 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    How can you give creators full control over their content and still avoid getting sued for hosting potentially illegal content?

    [–]borch_is_god 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

    You have to install your plug-in to use your service?

    No thanks!

    I'll use the other similar services in which everything runs off of a simple HTML browser. NEVER make things more complex (and less secure) than they need to be!

    [–]nikooo777 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So i guess you don't torrent either, you never used msn messenger, you don't use skype, you don't have outlook or any other email client and so on?

    A program you download is nothing else than something that understands a new language (protocol) and allows you to communicate with the network.

    Chrome for example understands HTTP and lets you see content offered over such protocol.

    LBRY understands lbry protocol and lets you communicate with it