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[–]festeringswinetingling in all the wrong ways 460ポイント461ポイント  (109子コメント)

This is sort of how Mad Max went, even though he didnt die

[–]hurricangstmakes gay things 363ポイント364ポイント  (74子コメント)

I wasn't planning on seeing Mad Max--it wasn't even on my radar--until I saw some MRA type dudes ranting soooo saltily about it being 'feminazi propaganda', and all my interest sat up and paid attention. I mean really, is there any better endorsement?

[–]CallMeObadiah 259ポイント260ポイント  (46子コメント)

I don't... that doesn't even...

Fury Road is just women being treated like....people. I don't even see a special message in it.

[–]quickhorn 307ポイント308ポイント  (41子コメント)

It is women escaping a very literal patriarchy, where most of the women are only used for sex and reproduction (I believe the backstory on Furiosa was she was also a sex slave). They are escaping to an enclave ran entirely by women named after a female-only body part (vulva), whilst carrying a metric fuck-ton of breast milk. And in the end, the women aren't saved or lead there by a man, but by a woman. The only men who acted as positive influences were just participants. They helped, but they certainly weren't the women's saviors. It is absolutely a feminist film.

The cool part is that you didn't even notice. Which is amazing on the director and writer's part.

[–]blahblahlalawhoomp 126ポイント127ポイント  (0子コメント)

George Miller actually brought in feminist author and activist Eve Ensler to run workshops on feminism and the history of patriarchal oppression for the cast and crew before filming started.

[–]thinkpadiusGameDev for Heroes of the Antarctic 91ポイント92ポイント  (22子コメント)

Well it seems so rare that anyone notices because the credit goes to a man. The movie is called Mad Max not Mad Furiosa after all.

I was just reading about how the calculations for trajectories for the early manned space missions into orbit and to the moon were done entirely by women, many of them black women. But when it came time to explain the numbers to the astronauts, they wouldn't let these women explain the math, they used men who hadn't done the math.

They were kept out of meetings and only one woman was ever promoted. The black women "computers" had to work in a segregated area and had more difficult working conditions.

The most famous of these women was Katherine G Johnson. It wasn't until November of 2015, when she was 97, that her contribution was acknowledged when President Obama gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

[–]quickhorn 83ポイント84ポイント  (12子コメント)

I think having it called Mad Max is the best way to go about films like this. Because, even his previous films weren't REALLY about him as I recall them, but it's been ages.

And I think the naming is SUPER cool. Because you have Fury Road, the place in the movie, but then you have the main protagonist, Furiosa. Is Fury Road really about that stretch of land (which, as I recall, they abandon fairly early...as she goes off book). Or is it a touch on the main protagonist's drive to redemption. And Fury itself as the main theme here could easily be a reference to The mythical furies. So even if Mad Max has his name on the title, I think at least half the title is really not about him at all.

[–]thinkpadiusGameDev for Heroes of the Antarctic 48ポイント49ポイント  (8子コメント)

No of course you're right. The titling is perfect for the points you make, and if I could give it five or eight Oscars I'd throw them at the screen.

The fact that you can watch the entire movie in black and white and find it amazing is incredible.

The fact that you can watch it without dialogue and just music only is amazing.

The fact that they made driving feel like ships at sea without doing major physical changes to the vehicles, but by adopting behaviors of ancient whalers and pirates is amazing.

The allusions to the Odyssey, to Jason and the Argonauts. It's all there. It's mythic.

I can't get enough of this movie.

[–]SpasticFeedback 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I went to watch this movie by myself (being a fan of the originals) when the wife and child were out of town. I was absolutely blown away by every single thing about the movie. As soon as she was back in town, I told her she needs to go watch the movie because it wasn't the sweaty men screaming at each other type of movie she thought it was.

We now have the blu-ray and she has watched it at least 4 times haha

[–]quickhorn 7ポイント8ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ooo, tell me about Jason and the ARgonauts and Odyssey allusions. I could look it up, but I think you'd do a better job of explaining it to me (read: I'm lazy as shit).

[–]thinkpadiusGameDev for Heroes of the Antarctic 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

Okay let's do the Odyssey first since that's the last article I remember reading.

  • So Odysseus wakes up on the island of the Phaecians and he's lost his crew. He's a wreck and looks like whale barf. He sees the princess Nausicaa and her maids in waiting. They're all bathing in the waterfall and busy being naked and beautiful. Then they spot him and run away in fear except for Nausicaa, who sees him for who he is, helps get him clean, sees how handsome he is, then drops some hints that she's super duper single and that she wants him to meet her father.

That's Odyssey Book 6.

Max wakes up just after the dust storm. He's chained to a door. There's some serious metal gag action going on. It's BDSM central. He's a wreck and he looks like sand worm barf. He sees Furiosa and the other women in what could loosely be termed "clothing" and there's the sound of water.

So from what I remember of the article, basically the movie subverts all your expectations while drawing the comparisons to the original. You might think

  • The women will be easily frightened.
  • Max's appearance might be scary at first but after they help him get free and out of his bondage gear they'll see how handsome he is.
  • One of these women is going to become Max's sexual partner.
  • They're going to help Max get somewhere, then he'll continue on without them.

But none of these things happen. The women are really defiant about giving him water. He doesn't take his mask off, he keeps waving his gun about, he doesn't engage in chit chat with Furiosa. There's no relief of tension. And then Furiosa attacks him. Their fight is only interrupted by a second threat that allows Max to temporarily gain a small upper hand.

Anyway, I've been trying to find the article where I got this from and I finally found it so I punched up the language of my post a bit to match.

Now in regards to Jason and the Argonauts, I'd say that it's more the 1963 film that I'd compare the movie to than the Greek Myth. The movie had a lot more "pizzaz" and the special effects, especially of the ship going between the rocks and Triton holding them apart, just makes me think of the canyon run. So in this sense it's about visual impact for me.

[–]quickhorn 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

That is SUPER fucking cool. Thank you! I love it.

[–]accidentalmemory 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the only movie I've seen in theaters where I immediately made plans to see it again afterwards.

[–]CVance1Local /r/TrollMedia Mod/Y Teen 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The movie did win like 6 oscars. It swept all the technicals. Unless you were talking about the title itself.

[–]agentfantabulous 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

Miller has said that his vision for Mad Max is an action movie from the POV of a supporting character. Max isn't meant to be the protagonist in any of the films. He's the side character that gets swept up along the way.

[–]misanthropicalturist 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looking back the old films were like this, especially road warrior.

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    [–]supurbwhiteshark 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

    not sure if you know this but they are making a movie about those women! which is why I think all of this information is surfacing. it looks really great. It is called "Hidden Figures"

    [–]allidois_nguyen 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm so excited for this movie! I had never even heard of these women before I saw the trailer. It's great to see that they are finally being recognized for their contribution on a large-scale.

    [–]BooBailey808 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Aren't they making a movie about those women?

    [–]usurpual 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think I just saw a trailer for it before Star Trek!

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      [–]queenkelleeThe vending machine says Hi 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It was also edited by a woman - Margaret Sixel - and she won the Academy Award for her work. And while she's edited many different genre's, she'd never edited an action movie before. She's also George Miller's wife and has edited some of his previous work as well. IMHO, as an editor (currently) working toward directing, who usually hates standard action movies and sequences because they are just a confusing mess of action and geography, I was MESMERIZED by Fury Road, and I even came in with high hopes! 2,700 cuts, ya'll, executed with precision and heart.

      [–]SpiderArcanaALL THE /S 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Wait, they're carrying breast milk? How did I miss that? I thought they were carrying water.

      [–]quickhorn 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Did you watch it in black and white?...or at all? ;) ;)

      They mention "Mother's Milk" often. The only time you see water is when they're cleaning themselves off during their introduction to Max. The bucket that Max cleans himself off in is milk. They say they're trading Mother's Milk for weapons with Bullet Town.

      edit: Seriously, I'm only ribbing you about missing it. There's a shit load of stuff in that movie. It's easy to not pick up on many of them.

      [–]SpiderArcanaALL THE /S 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Well, time for a re-watch then. Honestly, I shouldn't be surprised I missed it. There was SO MUCH to look at in that movie; just stunning visuals.

      Also, I might have been in a mildly altered state. I don't remember.

      [–]kierstydaisythe answer is always bacon. 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I had no fucking interest in watching this movie since I couldn't get into the whole packed-action, always something happening type movie. This description is helpful. Thank you for sharing all this info :)

      [–]lynn 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I am not an action flick kind of person, or a movie person in general, but I fucking loved that movie.

      [–]beelzeflubLipstick, M.D. 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Guitar guy FTW

      [–]quickhorn 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Seriously, it's such a good movie. And the only "special effect" was the sand storm. You watch this movie and...just...it's some good shit.

      [–]MercifulWombatnonbinary troll 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

      There was some compositing, making the vehicles look like they were closer together and going faster than they were.

      [–]Fhajad 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The "Going faster" was just frames being cut out I believe or doubling the frames?

      But luckily they kept everything in center of the frame so you don't lose reference and it just all seems to move fast and action packed when literally nothing is happening.

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        [–]sigma83 221ポイント222ポイント  (1子コメント)

        when you're used to a position of privilege, equality feels a heck of a lot like oppression.

        [–]GCSThree 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

        such a great quote. gonna remember that one, thank you

        [–]Justice_Prince[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It was really only a small minority that were saying stuff like that. The majority of MRAs thought those guys were idiots too. Really know one would have even noticed what those guys had to say if sites like MarySue hadn't cherry picked out the few dissenting opinions they could find.

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          [–]ADrunkSailorScout 73ポイント74ポイント  (13子コメント)

          I especially liked how the "wives" wrote 'We're not property' or something like that on the wall when they escaped. And those bad ass motorcycle grannies who helped them get back.

          [–]sigma83 42ポイント43ポイント  (8子コメント)

          "People are not things."

          [–]IndorilMiara 54ポイント55ポイント  (6子コメント)

          WE ARE NOT THINGS

          [–]sigma83 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

          my bad, I confused the painted words with the line of dialogue.

          [–]IndorilMiara 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

          No worries! Wasn't yelling, just writing it the way it's written in the thing.

          It's one of my favorite things. I actually got an artist's print of the wives with a banner saying "we are not things" the last time I went to a con.

          [–]thinkpadiusGameDev for Heroes of the Antarctic 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Why doesn't she just shoot him??? That was some major fridge logic to me.

          [–]IndorilMiara 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't know if it's ever actually stated anywhere, but it seemed implied to me that they go waaay back. Probably family from before everything went to shit. So she hesitated.

          [–]AryaStarkRavingMadVagina Dentist 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Why doesn't she just shoot him???

          Movie woulda been too short.

          [–]thinkpadiusGameDev for Heroes of the Antarctic 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Fire and miss then. He could have run up to her she shoots and he does that thing where he grabs the barrel and turns it away real fast to make him appear really strong and scary. She could fire and the guns misfires. He could walk up to her and call her bluff because there are no bullets.

          All of these are viable alternatives to one the filmmakers chose.

          Anyway, looking for an in-world answer is always the better way to go.

          So you could argue "they'd have killed her instantly if she had shot him and she was too afraid. Or maybe her job was to give false information and keep him off the trail as long as possible."

          I don't know. I think about these things too much.

          [–]ADrunkSailorScout 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah that was it! Loved it.

          [–]MercifulWombatnonbinary troll 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I wish more movies had old women being awesome in them. We have all these male actors who stay action hero until they die, but women get so few roles like these.

          [–]beelzeflubLipstick, M.D. 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I nominate Judi Dench

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            [–]marmosetohmarmosetSilky soft legbeard 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Me too! I would have never seen it otherwise! Thanks, butthurt TRPers!

            Likewise, I probably wouldn't have seen the new Ghostbusters if it weren't for all the "controversy," and then I would have never met my new idol/crush/future Halloween costume, Dr. Jillian Holtzmann. Thanks again, whiny dudes!

            [–]chriscim 33ポイント34ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I sometimes go over to MRA and Redpill to feel better about myself. Those guys have some serious issues.

            [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Fear. They respond to undeserved privileges slipping through their fingers with rage, fueled by fear.

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              [–]Tetracameralcy 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

              feminazi propaganda

              I should probably watch it then

              [–]curiiouscat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That's exactly why I saw it! Had no intention to, but had to after all of my mortal enemies were so greatly wounded by it.

              [–]Personage1More Lucille Bluth! 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This was a big thing for me with the new Ghostbusters. Hearing that Chris Hemsworth was pretty funny also helped.

              [–]IAmBecomeGay 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I cant even....

              [–]EstherandThyme 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Same. Didn't really know anything about it, let alone having any interest, until I heard all the complaints about the evil feminists messing with action movies (and the counterpoints about it being an amazing action movie AND feminist movie), and it instantly shot to the top of my list.

              [–]deepsoulfunk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is what happened for me with Ghostbusters. My friend and I rolled our eyes at another Hollywood remake bu we went to see it just to piss off neckbeards. We were expecting a total puece of shit but got surprised and laughed our asses off.

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                [–]Faythren 73ポイント74ポイント  (33子コメント)

                And the resultant make tears were DELICIOUS

                [–]LampreysArePeopleTooOn the internet, no one knows you're a chordate. nobody 28ポイント29ポイント  (32子コメント)

                There were male tears?

                [–]Bald_Sasquach 90ポイント91ポイント  (11子コメント)

                Holy shit so many tears. I had friends, action movie loving dudes, who flat out refused to see it because headlines used the word "feminism." Ooohhh spooky!!

                [–]LaTortugaConQuesoOne garbage bag of cookies please and thank you 52ポイント53ポイント  (9子コメント)

                I must hang out with the wrong (or right...) guys because all my guy friends loved it. My husband and a friend of mine convinced me to see it, saying it was a really good, feminist action movie.

                [–]Shittywarbenjagerman 31ポイント32ポイント  (6子コメント)

                It took me a while to see it and it was FUCKING RAD. The guitar guy, Doof, was my favorite part. "hmm how else can we make this movie more ridiculous?"..."I've got it! We need a guitar player hooked to the front of a rig!"

                [–]tehzephyrsongi think i've thought myself to death 39ポイント40ポイント  (5子コメント)

                a guitar player with a flamethrower strapped to the guitar

                ftfy

                Sidenote: that was a real flamethrower, the Doof Warrior wore that full-face helmet to keep from getting sprayed in the face with burning kerosene.

                [–]pokethepigBoil up some Mountain Dew. It's gonna be a long night. 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Also, the face mask for Coma-Doof (in the movie) was made of his mothers face, which he or Immortem Joe (depending on which story you believe) sliced from his mother's skull.

                [–]thinkpadiusGameDev for Heroes of the Antarctic 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                I read an article that the comic books that came afterwards were a real sad departure from the feminist thread of the movie. Particularly in storytelling terms.

                Edit: found the article - http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-furiosa-comic-undoes-everything-great-about-mad-max-1713368243

                [–]pokethepigBoil up some Mountain Dew. It's gonna be a long night. 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Well, that's disappointing.

                [–]the_girlFifty-eight weasels in a trenchcoat. 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I love the meta-role that the guitar-flamethrower dude played in the movie.

                I saw Mad Max in theaters three times. Every single time, when that dude first came out (towards the beginning of the movie), people laughed. Even kind of self-consciously. Like "holy shit what the hell is that? This is ... this is dumb, right?"

                But by the end of the movie, EVERYONE is on board and cheering like fucking hell whenever the guitar dude comes out. It's awesome to watch a movie win a crowd like that, I'd never seen such a thing before.

                [–]akong_supern00b 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                It did really well in the box office (for a rated R movie) and was critically acclaimed, also appearing at the top of a lot of people's lists for best movies of the year. So yeah, most people, male or female, enjoyed it. But there was definitely some backlash online from people who couldn't stand the fact that there were some "feminist" themes in the movie.

                [–]IAmBecomeGay 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Honestly I just thought it was a fucking great action movie, I never once even thought about feminism while watching it. This is the first I've heard it described that way

                [–]GCSThree 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                why be friends with those dudes

                [–]robotboy98 28ポイント29ポイント  (6子コメント)

                Men's Rights groups and places like TheRedPill and Return of Kings flipped their shit over that. There was so much "controversy" in their circles, and they boycotted the movie, and the hatred towards Charlize Theron was a bit much.

                [–]MumdotWe will always have the option of taking to the sea 31ポイント32ポイント  (5子コメント)

                Fondly do I remember the lament..."And she wasn't even hot" The final indignity: A film with a female lead character who had the temerity to not pander to their aesthetics.

                [–]AryaStarkRavingMadVagina Dentist 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

                "And she wasn't even hot"

                The fuck she wasn't!

                [–]MumdotWe will always have the option of taking to the sea 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Oh, I agree. Some of the people who were protesting the movie based on feminemsnms felt otherwise. Not enough cleavage or booty shorts?

                [–]AryaStarkRavingMadVagina Dentist 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Probably the short hair, which as we all know pretty much turns women into literal men...

                [–]MumdotWe will always have the option of taking to the sea 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Also no makeup. Ladies ain't ladies without the lip stick!

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                  [–]Faythren 114ポイント115ポイント  (11子コメント)

                  So many rage tears. It was actually a bit alarming, but certain male parts of the Internet lost their collective mind because Furiosa actually saves Max sometimes and that was just one insult to far to an "American" (lol, they forgot it was Australian) classic.

                  [–]girlikecupcakeUgh. 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  I was only interested in seeing it after the resultant outrage that I saw by some guys in certain areas of Reddit. It was ridiculous.

                  [–]SoaklI love cheese so much it comes out in my jokes 121ポイント122ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  Kind of reminds me of megamind where the villain becomes the hero and the "love interest" is like "dude we're not dating, stop kidnapping me"

                  [–]Dr_HQ[🍰] 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  I fucking love that movie.

                  I've encountered some people on the internet who felt bad for Hal because Roxanne didn't give him a chance. Scary shit. The scene where he grabs her from her balcony and flies around with her is basically a stand in for a rape scene, in my mind. He's doing what he wants with her body while she screams for him to stop. Everything about that character is scary. His belief that he deserves her because he wants her the most, his fury when she rejects him even after he becomes muscular and powerful, the way he thinks she doesn't even deserve to live once she "broke his heart". He's like if the worst MRA got super powers.

                  Edit: The people I saw feeling bad for Hal were girls.

                  [–]mahtahild 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  So basically a poster board for abusive relationships/people

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                    [–]final_cut 62ポイント63ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That's how I felt when my cousin finished the game Metroid. "WHAT. ITS A GURRRRRRLLL"

                    Hahah yep, sure is.

                    [–]Amphabian 233ポイント234ポイント  (42子コメント)

                    Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't this kinda what they did for The Force Awakens? We were lead to believe the entire movie that Finn was force sensitive and Rey was the support character.

                    Granted they didn't kill Finn, but you get the gist.

                    [–]SugarSugarBeeBecause Boobs. 118ポイント119ポイント  (34子コメント)

                    thank you! yes and this is my favorite thing about the movie. Not once does anyone have to save Rey, she saves herself time and again. What makes Finn important to her is that he shows her people DO care about her and that she does have backup if she ever needs it.

                    But you have NO idea Rey is the real Jedi before you watch the film.

                    [–]-Sai- 114ポイント115ポイント  (20子コメント)

                    But you have NO idea Rey is the real Jedi before you watch the film.

                    Really? I mean she's living in isolation on a desert planet and wears light-colored, robe-like clothes. The parallels to Anakin and Luke are pretty overt.

                    [–]NoChaCha 82ポイント83ポイント  (13子コメント)

                    Yeah, but in the trailers they had only showed Finn (and Kylo Ren, technically) with the lightsaber. I wasn't super shocked when it was Rey that was a Jedi, for the points you mentioned, but the marketing definitely pointed the finger more at Finn.

                    [–]-Sai- 60ポイント61ポイント  (12子コメント)

                    Hrm, that may have just been sexist marketing. Like how Disney was shocked that people wanted toys of the main character of the movie.

                    [–]NoChaCha 31ポイント32ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Yeah, it could've been motivated by sexism, since Disney was very much unaware of Rey's appeal. It is hard to say what was a deliberate reveal and what was trying to draw in their "assumed audience."

                    [–]AdvocateForTulkas 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    ... This is insanely cynical. You legitimately think it's even a possibility that the people handling marketing for Disney and a new Star Wars movie composed trailers and advertising that way but it never occurred to them that her being the actual Jedi wasn't going to be considered a reveal?

                    That didn't occur to them? They were just sexist as opposed to the entire movie itself.

                    This is really really stretching it.

                    [–]-Sai- 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    This is really really stretching it.

                    Considering Disney's later bafflement that people would actually want toys of Rey I don't think it's much of a stretch.

                    [–]FolkMetalWarrior 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Don't forget Disney's collaboration with Marvel and the lack of Black Widow merch.

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                      [–]lynn 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Really? Look at the quoted text: http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/01/25/excluding-rey-from-star-wars-the-force-awakens-toys-is-really-dumb/

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                        [–]Vanetia 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Yeah and you can guess, but Disney did a very good job of keeping it on the downlow.

                        [–]seemedlikeagoodplan 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Their toy division did well at keeping the secret at least! You couldn't find Rey toys anywhere!

                        [–]SugarSugarBeeBecause Boobs. 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        but the trailers intended for you to think Finn would be the Jedi, by showing only him with the lightsaber.

                        Yes, strong fans probably had an idea, but it was still a pretty good bait-and-switch.

                        [–]ButtonsAndSoup 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Okay so idk because I've never liked star wars, never been a fan, only just watched all the movies recently, and I thought it was blatantly obvious that Rey was going to be the Jedi.

                        [–]ClareDeLoon 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Based on the trailers? Or based on the start of the film? Bc I think the others upthread mean just the trailers.

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                          [–]leafolia 13ポイント14ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          Not to mention that originally Poe was supposed to die in the crash on Jakku in the original script. I think I'm not the only one who thought he would be the main character from trailers and the first ten minutes of the movie.

                          I am happy they didn't kill Poe off in the end, because damn is Oscar Isaac great eye candy.

                          [–]papercace 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Frankly that is what annoyed me about the movie a bit. In the original trilogy, Luke got saved by his friends, Han Solo got saved by his friends and Leia got saved by her friends. In this movie, just as you say, Ray didn't need anyone which make her friends useless.

                          [–]-Sai- 27ポイント28ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          I felt the movie hinted they're both Force-sensitive, and Rey moreso than Finn. In fact it came as more of a surprise to me that Finn could instinctively wield a lightsaber.

                          [–]neesters 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          He had training in melee combat as a storm trooper.

                          It always surprises me that people think Finn isn't force sensitive, though... If he isn't, why did Kylo Ren recognize him as someone special?

                          [–]-Sai- 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          He had training in melee combat as a storm trooper.

                          Well yeah, but I always assumed you had to be a Force user to be able to use one. Otherwise why wouldn't people other than Jedi and Sith use them?

                          [–]Fairleee 26ポイント27ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          From what I recall, the explanation is that yes, "ordinary" people could use them, but in a universe with laser guns, it doesn't make much sense to have one over a blaster. Only Jedi (and certain droids or other enhanced individuals) have the skills/abilities to use them effectively in a blaster fight (you know, to deflect away the fire). They are basically swords, so anyone with sword fighting training can use them, but your advantage disappears pretty quickly as soon as your opponent starts shooting at you!

                          [–]neesters 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Makes sense. And we know non-force users are capable of using them. Han uses it to cut open the Tauntaun in ESB.

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                            [–]RumelyladyGay man trapped in a woman's body. 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I just assumed it was because he went against the conditioning he had been put through for years. He was taken to serve the First Order when he was a child, so they were all he ever knew. If he wasn't exposed to any other way of life the entire time it would be surprising for anyone in the First Order to find him switching sides.

                            [–]jojodacrow 41ポイント42ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            This is basically the plot of a Japanese comic called Basara.

                            The sword of Byakko is kept in Byakko Village, and according to a prophet, a child of fate who will lead a revolution will be born there. When twins are born—a girl and a boy—the prophet says that one of them is the child of destiny. Villagers believe the boy, Tatara, is the child of destiny, but ultimately the girl, Sarasa, is the leader. When the local ruler, the Red King, destroys her village and has her brother beheaded, she assumes his name and duty to lead her people in rebellion.

                            [–]Thatshowirawl 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Can't upvote this enough, I started reading this story and then didn't leave me house for the next 3 days. The art is a bit old, but there's nothing like it...(except red river maybe)

                            [–]CaptainCaptainFT 40ポイント41ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Or something like samus from metroid, where she is only marketed in a suit (that doesn't look like fantasy boobarmor) and she takes off her suit in the end after everyone sympathized with her but didn't realize the armor has a female owner.

                            [–]EliveyMighty fuhrer of the sausage people 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            God I LOVED Metroid growing up and it kinda took me until I grew up to realize why. Beyond it being such a well crafted engaging beautiful game.

                            [–]CToxin 46ポイント47ポイント  (8子コメント)

                            Like Punisher, but Frank dies instead and his now widow goes on the roaring rampage of revenge.

                            [–]duck-duck--grayduck 79ポイント80ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            So...Kill Bill?

                            [–]yuloforceOh shit gotta think of a funny flair uh uh shit I'm out of time 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            In the most recent Punisher series, he takes a woman under his wing after her husband and congregation are gunned down at her wedding. I can't remember her name, but she was a stone-cold badass. Best of all, the writers didn't shoehorn in a romance between her and Frank.

                            [–]Zamazacontains 90% starch, 10% cat hair 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Best of all, the writers didn't shoehorn in a romance between her and Frank.

                            It's magical to me when this happens in media. A man and a woman just being team mates and kicking ass together, without annoyingly forced romance? AMAZING.

                            [–]c0horst 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Based solely on the Punisher I've seen in Daredevil... he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who goes in for romance anymore. Like the part of him that could feel that has died.

                            [–]yuloforceOh shit gotta think of a funny flair uh uh shit I'm out of time 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Yeah, he seems pretty solidly asexual to me.

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                              [–]UrbanRenegade19 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Hey if they can get the same team that did one with Thomas Jane, I'd watch the hell out of it.

                              [–]carlinha1289ヾ(｀◇´)ﾉ彡 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Oh the movie reviews.... I can't even imagine.

                              [–]stepharoonyWhen I die, I hope I'm surrounded by the Marvel Chrises. 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              So Agent Carter then. 😘

                              [–]kandoras 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                              I'm still a little passed that Agent Carter got cancelled. It was a lot better than Agents of SHIELD.

                              [–]SkynyrdBox 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Agent Carter season 2 was really weak. Agents of SHIELD was great.

                              I really wish they had just taken Peggy forward to the founding of SHIELD.

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                                [–]ElijahThornberry 24ポイント25ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                I'd also settle for a lady cast in a movie like "The Other Guys".

                                [–]Beards_Bears_BSGtotes not a spy 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                The Other Gals.

                                Starring Tina Fey and Amy Pohler as the counter parts to Dwayne Johnson and Samual L Jackson.

                                Kate McKinnon and Insert someone here to replace Wil Ferrel and Mark Whalberg.

                                [–]Data_7 8ポイント9ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                Kate McKinnon and Kristen Wiig to replace Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg.

                                There you go.

                                [–]jitspadawanif you speak to me in spanish, use the formal "usted" 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                That's a lotta white ladies, tho

                                [–]ElijahThornberry 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                That's true, who do you recommend?

                                [–]InnocenceAndApplePie 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Lupita! Lupita, and Uzo Aduba for Dwayne and Samuel. Kate and Kristen for Will and Mark.

                                [–]SurpriseDragon=^_^= 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Throw in some Mindy Kaling

                                [–]Beards_Bears_BSGtotes not a spy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                Perfecto

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                                  [–]rawkz 70ポイント71ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                  sometimes i dont understand why people are so spiteful.

                                  the idea in itself is great though - there was a computergame that kinda somewhat did something like that:

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spec_Ops:_The_Line

                                  it was marketed as your regular off the mill military ego shooter, it actually had a lot of very clever things to say about war, games depicting war and the mechanics they depend on, and subsequently, prompted questions about why we play them so much.

                                  [–]OrlandoNE 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I completed Spec Ops in a single day. What a rollercoaster that was.

                                  [–]tehbehis thinking of earmuffs 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I didn't like the game because I immediately made the connection to a certain movie and from then on the game had nothing to surprise me with. Also I tried to go out of my way to not do THAT THING but the game wouldn't let me and tried to make me feel guilty about what I did

                                  [–]sigma83 49ポイント50ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                  sometimes i dont understand why people are so spiteful.

                                  IKR. Ghostbusters was an amazing movie.

                                  [–]rawkz 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                  no idea, didnt watch it because the trailer was so off-putting.

                                  [–]lynn 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  I wouldn't have watched it based on the trailer, but I fucking loved that movie.

                                  [–]Spock5eyebrow 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  You missed out. The trailer was not the film.

                                  [–]sigma83 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                  Trailer was poor. Film was the most fun I've had at the movies since Mad Max. I'd rather have Ghostbusters 2 than Star Wars 8.

                                  [–]flamingturtlecake 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Good thing we don't have to choose, because Star Wars was amazing

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                                    [–]DramaOnDisplay 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    Yeah, the whole "male tears" line had me internally groaning, like when you see someone who ruins a perfectly bland run-of-the-mill Facebook comment thread with a "Shillary" comment of some sort.

                                    But I agree that the idea is awesome... although maybe pretty close to "Mulan" now that i think about it, if she really does try to assume his identity fully, like having to be around Batman and Daredevil type counterparts but still having to make them think "Nope, GenericMan is totally not dead, uhh that's stupid, I'm right here"

                                    [–]Kind_Of_KindY Chrom Subversive Element 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    It was kind of a downer to get to the bottom and feel "Oh...was I not supposed to enjoy this? Sorry I guess."

                                    But yeah, a movie like this with the sort of deadpan delivery in Super (hopefully doing it a little better than Super) would be rad,

                                    [–]Not_Here_ssshhh 53ポイント54ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                    That is actually a good idea . Dont think men would get mad over it

                                    [–]Khourieat 37ポイント38ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                    Only about the lying bit. I think it's lame when movie trailers/advertisements mislead people about what the movie is about.

                                    Otherwise, I think that sounds like a pretty awesome idea!

                                    [–]Inquisitor1119 34ポイント35ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                    Or when it takes a completely unexpected shift in tone. I'm looking at you, Marley and Me. My cousin took his wife to see it right after she had to put her dog down. He figured, "Hey, happy puppy movie, this works!" They had to leave the movie early, and he felt like such a piece of shit. Fortunately for him, this was right before Christmas, and his mother bred malamutes, so he already had a puppy ready for his wife.

                                    [–]Khourieat 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    To this day I haven't seen this movie because of this. Someone told me not to watch it, and I never did.

                                    But I did fall for this in 8 Below :(

                                    [–]Inquisitor1119 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    I went into it fully prepared and was still a sobbing snot monster. Seriously. If you love pets, don't do it to yourself.

                                    [–]meglofaceSoftcup & Broad City Advocate 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    I instantly knew the dog was going to die. That was my first thought when I saw the trailers: "Oh adorable dog movie. They're definitely going to kill that dog in the end." They pretty much always kill the dog. Any dog that's been fleshed out as a character (where they're not, like, a talking dog) ends up dead in movies. I'm struggling to think of a movie where this doesn't happen! Poor dead doggies :(

                                    I'm so sorry that happened to your cousin :(

                                    [–]AryaStarkRavingMadVagina Dentist 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                    https://www.doesthedogdie.com/

                                    You're welcome.

                                    [–]meglofaceSoftcup & Broad City Advocate 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Interesting, I don't even remember a dog in 10 Things I Hate About You! Thanks for the link.

                                    [–]lynn 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    My husband and I saw Up with a few friends the day after we got married. The first five minutes were the dawning realization "Wait...he doesn't have a wife in the trailer!" and it just went downhill from there for the next 15 minutes.

                                    God damn it, Pixar.

                                    [–]duck-duck--grayduck 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    My mother-in-law took my niece to see it on Christmas Day. LOL.

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                                      [–]foxet 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Isn't that what they did with Scream though? The girl who everyone thought was going to be the main character died pretty immediately. I was a little too young to see it, but I don't think people were mad about being mislead. It was still a horror movie and it was a good shock. I personally like it when the trailers don't reveal much. However, I do think dudes would be mad about being tricked into seeing a movie about a woman and would try to justify it by saying they were "lied to."

                                      [–]Champion_of_CharmsBoss Witch 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Psycho did it. No idea if Scream followed suit.

                                      There were A LOT of people upset that the big name star died in the first few minutes of Psycho.

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                                          [–]vacuousaptitude 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                          They get mad when there is a black stormtrooper. They get mad when there is a female stormtroopers commander. They get mad when there is one movie where all the leads are female. They whine and cry that Hollywood is trying to push some horrible agenda and pandering to women when barely one in five movies has a female lead and one in three characters that speak are female.

                                          Pretty sure this would make them mad too

                                          [–]batter159 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          Who's they ? Wasn't Star Wars TFA pretty well received ?

                                          [–]raviary 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                          Overall, yes. But there are a lot of racists out there. In the trailers when it looked like Finn was the main character, they crawled out of the woodwork to bitch about how a black guy couldn't be a jedi and Hollywood was just pandering to SJWs. The actor deals with a lot of hateful comments on his instagram.

                                          [–]aretoodeto 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          "They get mad". Really? Because I loved The Force Awakens and everything about it

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                                              [–]Frankenshine 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              This happens in V for Vendetta! (The book not the movie) (Everyone please read that book)

                                              [–]zissoushope 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              Agreeeeeeeeeed! That moment in the book is the incredibly powerful, and completely missing from the film.

                                              [–]OK_Soda 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I'm a guy and I'd watch the hell out of this. It checks off all my boxes.

                                              ☑ Tragic origin story

                                              ☑ Subversion of genre expectations

                                              ☑ Dramatic as hell scene where someone takes up the sword/cape/mask/etc of a fallen hero

                                              ☑ Is a superhero movie

                                              [–]Sothotheroth 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I would watch the fuck out of that movie.

                                              [–]bigbear1293 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              So in other words Metal Gear Solid 2?

                                              [–]IsthianBeauty is in the eye of the beer holder. 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              As a dude I would also love this. Name of movie should be something of a wordplay on Executive decision for meta points.

                                              [–]T0m03 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I need this in my life. Can someone make it happen please?

                                              [–]Puginplaid 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              Didn't something like that happen in Superman Earth One? I mean it's a comic but still..

                                              [–]Eeyores_Prozac 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              It also happened in Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers storyline, with the Bulleteer gaining her powers from an accident caused by her dipshit husband and his sexual fascination with superheroes.

                                              ...It's Grant Morrison.

                                              [–]cinderflightBiggest moscato fan alive! 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              That would make a really cool movie!

                                              [–]danooli 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I don't like going to see movies in the theatre. I would make an exception and see this every week it remains on the big screen.

                                              [–]LikeThisWillLast 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              I would like to see 12 Angry women, where they have to arbitrate a rape trial

                                              [–]jitspadawanif you speak to me in spanish, use the formal "usted" 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              They convict in 20 minutes then spend the rest of the movie flipping over tables and beating up rapists.

                                              [–]Kalanth 19ポイント20ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                              Why that last line? As a man I just see this is as an awesome twist on the superhero genre and I would not shed a tear over it. In fact, Hawkeye is perfect for this concept already because Marvel has a male and female version of the character that wear the same outfit and use the same name.

                                              [–]Personage1More Lucille Bluth! 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              Because of time and time again where a loud portion of the manosphere flips their shit about a movie being too feminist?

                                              Like good on you for liking this, that means they aren't talking about you.

                                              [–]Kalanth 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                              I actually subscribe here so that I can learn more and become a better person / husband / father. Even so I still have those moments of, "Is that an issue?" But that is the point of being here.

                                              [–]Personage1More Lucille Bluth! 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                              I can see how that would be what you meant.

                                              At the same time, this sub gets many trolls who would try to derail things with a comment very similar to yours. It leans a little to the side of "I'm not like that so it can't be" versus "wait, does that actually happen? I must be ignorant on it."

                                              [–]Kalanth 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              I will be sure to make myself a bit more clear in the future. Ignorance is the fuel to my comments.

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                                                [–]Big_Green_Piccolo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                This is basically Metal Gear Solid 2. Almost.

                                                [–]adashiel 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                You can get some of that in Fallout 4, which I've been obsessively playing for freaking months. The game opens with with a monologue by the male protagonist, a war veteran who went to battle in a sort of dieselpunk version of the Iron Man suit. It makes you think it's going to be all about him, but then you can choose to play as his wife instead.

                                                [–]zissoushope 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I'm actually working on a graphic novel that does essentially that. So tired of boring heroines.

                                                [–]rororobot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Is this a screenshot of a screenshot?

                                                [–]dxdrummer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I think people would be legit upset because it would be misleading...for example the same thing happened with two men in Godzilla and people were furious that Bryan Cranston died so soon (when half the reason people went to see the movie was because of him).

                                                Outside of that I think the concept of the movie is really cool and I cant think of another film thats done

                                                [–]culus_ambitiosa 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I really doubt that his could happen because they've essentially said they won't be showing her origin story but this would be a great way to introduce Captain Marvel/Mar-Vell. The first act of the movie could show him being the big time Kree hero who's decided to protect the Earth and show them falling in love. Then he gets killed in a fight against the Big Bad, same fight has Carol getting knocked into the Psyche-Magnitron which is how she got her powers in the comics. Rest of the movie is her taking up his mantle of Captain Marvel and kicking some ass. Maybe toss in some Spider-Woman in there for some snarky best friend action and I'd watch the shit out of that movie.

                                                [–]dietsodasocieties 37ポイント38ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                Let's be honest men would still find a way to boycott the shit out of this

                                                [–]grilsrgood 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                And let's be honest a lot of men aren't out to boycott every movie with a strong female lead and are just looking for a good movie and wouldn't care what sex the main character is.

                                                [–]Personage1More Lucille Bluth! 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                I think you two are talking about very different kinds of men.

                                                [–]aretoodeto 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Yeah, Kill Bill was so unsuccessful

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                                                  [–]noobtheloser 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  If Megamind was a lady

                                                  [–]HgUuGiGtIaErbrought Cab 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Kind of like Bryan Cranston and Godzilla in Godzilla and how they were both barely in it?

                                                  [–]teleri_mm 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  See. Again this concept is all about a female defining her life around her man. It's stupid trip. WHY the FUCK not take one of the dozens of interesting female super hero's that all ready exist and doing that? Like the new Miss Marvel. Or Squirrel Girl. Hero's that Actually BREAK god damn fucking stereo types instead of ones that just reinforce the concept that a female must compair her self to a man.

                                                  [–]AryaStarkRavingMadVagina Dentist 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Apparently they're shopping TV networks for a Squirrel Girl series right now.

                                                  [–]lirenotliar 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  the closest to this that i have seen was executive decision

                                                  [–]mustard_mustachecats & pizza & tacos & whiskey 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Which was a pretty good movie.

                                                  [–]jamiemm 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Isn't this the plot of America during WW2? "Oh, the men are off firebombing Tokyo while Russia beats Hitler? I guess we'll just build the foundation for America's economic might for the next 50 years!"

                                                  Also sort of the plot of "Gunslinger", a MST3K movie. Beverly Garland's husband is the marshall, and he gets shot and dies in the opening of the film. Beverly becomes marshall.

                                                  The important thing is, Beverly Garland is amazing.

                                                  [–]Dr_Nolla 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  so (Force Awakens)10 ?

                                                  [–]kablarkin 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  Kinda reminds me of the music video for The Hit by TWRP and NSP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOWWaRbZucE

                                                  [–]snooptarts 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  They did this very intentionally in the movie Feast.

                                                  [–]WinterCharmAsk me about the album of the day! :) 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  5/7 best movie ever.

                                                  [–]Szarvas14 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  The hero dies in mystery men.

                                                  [–]arcedup 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  You might like Honor of the Queen by David Weber. In the book, Captain Honor Harrington of the Royal Manticore Navy leads a delegation to court the favour of the planet of Grayson, a deeply sexist and patriarchal society who are loathe to even acknowledge that she is the squadron commander. However, when the Grayson's bitter enemies, the Masadans, reappear with the help of the Manticoran's bitter enemies, the People's Republic of Haven, the Graysons find that the only person who could possibly stop them from being wiped out is Captain Harrington...

                                                  You can read the whole story for free here: http://www.baen.com/the-honor-of-the-queen.html

                                                  [–]rigormorty 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  This sounds kind of like the original Alien film. From what I understand the film and trailers were setting up Dallas or Kane to be the main character in the film and then they both die and its all about how much of a badass Ripley is

                                                  [–]Nolano 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  People would lose their shit if the protagonist was actually female and the advertising didn't reflect that. See: The Force Awakens

                                                  [–]darkon 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  If I paid to see a movie called LeopardWoman that was hyped as LeopardWoman and she died in the first ten minutes, I'd be angry (unless LeopardWoman was homosexual and her girlfriend took over). This is no different. There may be a few rare exceptions, but as a general rule I expect the title of a movie to be reasonably honest.

                                                  If the movie was marketed as "The Leopard" with no indication of gender, I'd have no problem with it at all. That would be an interesting twist on the usual superhero movie.

                                                  [–]rarcke 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                  After some consideration, I think the reverse would also be awesome...or maybe that's the plot of Steven Universe?

                                                  [–]UberDave_141 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  What's up with the "all the male tears" part though? I, individually, like this idea. Am I dumb for getting worked up about this?

                                                  You know what? It's probably because though most people are level headed enough to not get offended about something like this there are those that will and those people will make a big stink about it.

                                                  But it still bothers me to be lumped into the same group as the reactionaries.

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