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[–]ragecry 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't mean to hijack your thread here, but I felt like dropping this little bit of summary I had sitting around.

Sandy Hook, San Bernardino and Orlando shootings share some interesting things in common.


1) FBI investigated these guys months before the events took place.

Sandy Hook:

New reports have revealed that the FBI had suspicions about Adam Lanza eight years before he committed the second-deadliest mass shooting in American history. The FBI reportedly went to the Newtown, Connecticut home that he shared with his mother Nancy in 2004 and asked about his computer activity but left before even sitting down with the then-12-year-old. Newsweek reports that FBI agents went to the family's Yogananda Street home because they had tracked Adam online after he hacked through two layers of government security.

San Bernardino:

In a disturbing twist, authorities revealed that a year before the rampage, Farook’s co-workers at the county health department underwent “active shooter” training in the same conference room where he and his wife (Farook and Malik) opened fire.

“ISIL inspiration may well have been part of this, but these two killers were starting to radicalize towards martyrdom and jihad as early as 2013,” the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, said during testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, using an acronym for the Islamic State.

He said that the “investigation to date shows that they were radicalized before they started courting or dating each other online.” (...) Mr. Comey said the conclusion came from “data” and intelligence that American authorities had obtained.

Orlando:

But G4S told Reuters Gilroy didn't file any complaints against Mateen and that it had screened the shooter twice, checking his criminal record and verifying his ID. Mateen was interviewed by the FBI twice, in 2013 and 2014. The Guardian reported G4S did not test Mateen again after learning about his FBI interactions.

Now check this out:

FBI determined after two interviews with Omar Mateen in 2013 that his claims that he knew Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (Boston Marathon bombers) were invented.

That was in 2013, but then Mateen made the SAME statements in his 9-1-1 call during the shooting in 2016. Really!?

At 2:22 a.m., Mateen placed a 9-1-1 call in which he mentioned the Boston Marathon bombers—Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev—as his "homeboys" and made a reference to Moner Mohammad Abu Salha, who died in a suicide bombing in Syria in 2014.


2) It's always a certain type of rifle and pistol, which happen to be standard issue for SWAT.

Sandy Hook:

This comprised 154 shots from the rifle and two shots from the 10mm pistol. Lanza fired one shot from the Glock in the hallway and killed himself with another shot from the pistol to the head. (...) On December 15, 2014, nine of the families affected by the shooting filed a lawsuit against the manufacturers of the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle used in the school attack.

San Bernardino:

Forty-nine people were killed and 53 wounded when Omar Mateen opened fire at a crowded gay nightclub in Orlando, Fla. He used at least two guns, a Sig Sauer AR-15-style assault rifle and a Glock handgun.

Orlando:

According to one of the hostages, Mateen entered a bathroom where people were hiding and opened fire, wounding several. The hostage, who had taken cover inside a stall with others, was injured by two bullets and struck with flying pieces of a wall that was hit by stray bullets. Mateen's rifle then jammed briefly, at which point he switched to using a handgun.

The two semiautomatic rifles were versions of the popular AR-15 model, according to San Bernardino officials. One was made by DPMS Inc., and the other by Smith & Wesson. The Smith & Wesson rifle was changed in an attempt to enable it fire in fully automatic mode, while the DPMS weapon was modified to use a large-capacity magazine, she said.


3) Media allegations of mental illness.

Sandy Hook:

In later medical and education records, the authors saw repeated references to diagnoses of autism spectrum disorder, anxiety and obsessive compulsive disorder. Lanza's anxiety and social-emotional problems worsened as he got older.

As for Adam, "It looks like there's mental history there," the law enforcement source says.

San Bernardino:

Mr. Marquez (family ties to Farook) is also said to have mental health issues. Shortly after the attacks, he checked himself into a mental health facility in California. He has not been charged or detained.

Orlando:

Meanwhile, Mateen's ex-wife, Sitora Yusifiy, told the Washington Post he was abusive. “He was not a stable person,” she said. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”


4) Hints of corporate / government ties.

Sandy Hook:

Adam Lanza's father Peter Lanza was Vice President of Taxes for GE Financial Services. GE is a multinational energy conglomerate.

San Bernardino:

Farook was an environmental health specialist working for the local government. He graduated college with a degree in this field of work.

Orlando:

Omar Mateen worked for G4S, a huge private security firm. The British government exclusively contracts G4S for security.


5) Friends/family members in shock, did not see it coming.

Sandy Hook:

The Lanza family has been 'shaken to the core' and have not even been able to meet as one to talk about what happened, Peter's sister-in-law Marsha Lanza said. She added that they, as much as the police and families of the victims still can't understand how or why the massacre happened.

San Bernardino:

Farhan Khan, Farook's brother-in-law, told reporters he was at a loss, too. "I have no idea why he would do something like this. I have absolutely no idea. I am in shock myself," Khan said.

Farook's relatives knew him as conservative but didn't think he or his wife were extreme, according to the family's attorneys. "He was a normal guy," Abuershaid said.

Orlando:

Mateen said he saw his son on Saturday afternoon, about 11 hour before the shootings. His son just popped in to say hello and didn't stay long. Omar Mateen acted normally, the father said. The son never gave any indication he wanted to kill anyone, Seddique Mateen said, adding that he would have turned in his son to authorities if he knew what was going to happen.


Some questions you may want to be asking.

  • Why did Farook, according to reports, leave abruptly in anger from the business party before returning with Malik and guns blazing? And after that the police tracked them to their home in Redlands, 15 minutes from the location... So let me get this straight, Farook left the party, returned with wife to shoot the place up, then retreated back to their home for some R&R? Sounds more like they never went back to that party after Farook left the first time. Gonna need some surveillance videos because this one is not adding up.

  • Isn't it curious how Farook and Malik met in Saudi Arabia?

  • Why was Malik cleared for a special 90-day "fiancee" visa to come to America? Must have took pulling a few strings to get this kind of hasty entrance into the country, what with the airport security and heightened terrorism alert these days.

  • Why did the FBI hand over Malik/Farook's iPhone to an Israel company for decryption? What did they really want from Apple, a backdoor into all their devices, or were they making sure no evidence floated up into the iCloud that could later be traced back to an FBI informant?

  • Why did SWAT wait 2 hours before entering PULSE nightclub in Orlando?

  • Why did Omar visit his father Seddique 11 hours before the shooting? Why was his father later seen at a Democratic National Convention rally, sitting right behind Hillary Clinton in a paid seat? If Omar committed one of the largest acts of terrorism on US soil, why is his father Seddique not a suspect or person of concern? Instead his father is invited into the country and paraded around in our media as a kind of friendly Mario mustache character pushing the gun control agenda for the DNC. And this man is running for president of Afghanistan. What the HELL is going on here?

  • Who is Adam Lanza's brother, Ryan Lanza?

  • Why did the Sandy Hook victims' families create a lobby (HONR network) to fend off investigative research and "conspiracy theorists"? HONR accuses investigators like Wolfgang Halbig and James Tracy of crossing the line and ruining the victims' lives, but instead we see the opposite happening - Halbig and Tracy are being targeting and having their lives / careers ruined by trolls and "unknown parties".

  • Why weren't any of these mass shootings prevented? What's the point of mass surveillance, counter-terrorism and airport screenings? What's the point of citizenship? So much for the "improvements" made to security after 9/11.

  • Why is Omar Mateen's wife Noor Salman still missing according to Attorney General Loretta Lynch? Where is she? Why did she disappear right after making controversial statements to the media? What else does she want to tell us?

[–]deadendsidestreet 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great post u/ragecry, a lot of information I have not seen yet and very valid questions which will never be answered.

We all know what happened at each of these events I mean between Gene Rosen, the clown coroner, David Wheeler playing father/swat team member and my all time favorite Robbie "are we ready to start"? Parker...

I really don't understand how they can still make people believe anyone was actually killed that day ...total scumbags

[–]potnachos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I really don't understand how they can still make people believe anyone was actually killed that day

Of course you don't. You're too wrapped up in your own bullshit to think clearly. It's far too frightening for you to believe that a mentally unstable person can bring a gun into a school and murder children, so you make up this profoundly stupid and narcissistic narrative to shield you from that grim reality. It'd be pathetic if it weren't so enraging.

Read this and try some empathy when you get the chance: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2232-my-son-died-at-sandy-hook-conspiracy-nuts-think-im-lying.html

But something tells me that you won't read it and will instead go on a masturbatory rant about how I'm a paid shill and photoshop and the jews and blah blah blah.

[–]mindhawk 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

upvoted

this comment makes me feel less alone in the world, these thoughts are obvious yet the faux journalists never mention them at all

primarily, none of their motives makes any sense even for crazy people

and with orlando as with boston and 911, these obvious threats were let into the country and well known to homeland security sic

so its more a demo of how stupid public discoure is and how we are in an epic mania where sanity has gone underground, so danger is afoot, dont birth any children into this disaster waiting to happen

[–]codenameransac 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Lots of good points and questions. However this one is total bs: Why was Malik cleared for a special 90-day "fiancee" visa to come to America? Must have took pulling a few strings to get this kind of hasty entrance into the country, what with the airport security and heightened terrorism alert these days.

The fiance visa process is a fairly simple and relatively quick ordeal. My wife and and I went through this process and it was no more than printing some pdf files, filing them, then a couple of appointments after she was in the country. The actual interview by dhs is not until at least several months after your 90 day probation period. That's just the time limit they give you to get married. Security interviews are one of the very last things to happen in the path to citizenship.

[–]ragecry 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

That was a question with some sarcasm sprinkled in, so I wouldn't call it "total bs".

They got married and had a child. Lived a normal life. She was even interviewed by FBI and DHS like you said.

Syed and Tashfeen were married in Islam’s holy city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia. Although the Obama administration talks about the “robust” security measures they have put in place, Tashfeen was granted permanent status and a green card last summer after a supposed FBI and Department of Homeland Security background checks.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/06/isis-jihadis-can-enter-u-s-90-day-fiance-visas-without-face-face-check/

So you see they did the background checks. Where does that leave us? No amount of mass surveillance, security precaution or heightened state of terrorism was able to stop her radicalizing an American citizen over the internet, nor was it able to prevent her coming over here on a fiancee visa where she then supposedly radicalized him further and committed mass murder together. Maybe it's because the background check on her turned up empty because she was just a normal person coming over on a fiancee visa like many other people do? Maybe she was innocent and used as a patsy? I mean, I'll keep the option open that she planned it all along like an evil little terrorist, but there isn't much evidence of that.

[–]codenameransac [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That I can get behind. The screening interviews are fairly lax. There are ZERO questions about islam, religion, or anything about sharia law. There are a few blanket terrorism questions such as "do you plan to attack the USA". Literally that simple and rhetorical. There's a few questions about Nazism and if you deny the holocaust. They ask all of these questions separating the spouses, and if you can't speak English it's all done through an interpreter that the applicant brings with them. The whole process is very ineffective. So, from personal experience I would surmise that yes, they just cleared her for approval and pushed the application forward.

I really like the sound of what Trump is proposing. The interviews must be more personal and definitely screen for religious ideaologies. It is absurd the only specific political/terrorist questions are based on post WWII political threats. Also, translators must be provided by dhs or there is no way to tell if the applicant is lying.

[–]shadowofashadow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/21/us-terrorism-prosecutions-often-illusion

I post this every time. The FBI has their hands in all of these plots. If they're not outright creating them they're nudging people along and allowing them access to the tools they need.

[–]clovize[S] 26ポイント27ポイント  (7子コメント)

UPDATE: Wolfgang Halbig tells MHB this morning that he was compelled to take his website down and go off of Facebook because parties unknown to him are contacting officials at his wife and son’s place of employment in an effort to have these family members terminated from their employment because of Wolfgang’s activities concerning Sandy Hook.

[–]trytheCOLDchai 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reminded of the The Insider with Al Pacino and Russell Crowe

[–]RealOrlandoHoax 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I loved that scene where Al Pacino encouraged a legion of mentally ill retards to stalk a 7yo girl. Great performance!

[–]clovize[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

For those wondering what the fuss is all about, a pretty good starting point is Halbig's interview discussing the decrepit, foul condition of Sandy Hook "school" taken a day after the incident. These are Ct State Police crime photos. http://www.newnationalist.net/2016/08/26/sandy-hook-update-exclusive-interview-with-wolfgang-halbig/

[–]datdood5 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Page was archived:

http://archive.is/Nkrls

Wow.. I didn't even know about this until now.

[–]BeyondWikipedia 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

There are actual investigators for this? I thought Sandy Hook stuff was mostly armchair researchers.

[–]LongTermCapitalMgmt [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, lots of stuff, but, wow, the school was:

  • abandoned

  • disgusting (so disgusting I feel a liitle weird after looking at these crime scene photos)

https://web.archive.org/web/20160604002109/http://imgur.com/a/sBfhz#HnhZkk9

[–]William_gfl_gfs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, what is everyone talking about? I'll mosey on over to wiki to find some info

[–]El_O_El 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

WOW! Seriously, I never thought he would be swayed, or moved, to stop his fight. Kinda blown away right now, not to mention crestfallen.

[–]clovize[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

4 years of constant abuse and threats probably would take a toll on even the strongest person. He most certainly wasn't in it for personal gain or benefit despite what the criminals pursuing him might say.

[–]buddylee_moa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I knew this guy was onto something when Wikipedia refused to let him be mentioned on the sandyhook conspiracy page

[–]JTRIG_trainee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No parent would send their kid to such a disgusting not maintained toxic school. I wonder if any of the supposed parents were to be questioned, what they'd say about the condition of the school?

If those graves are examined, what will be in them? People that questioned the event?