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A point on bravery (self.martialarts)

FarEasternStudent が 投稿

A lot of people in this sub seem to emphasize running away as the first thing to do when threatened.

This seems to come from the vast majority of people here, and you guessed it, about an equal sized group of people on here never actually bothered training seriously.

Now I haven't really been a part of this sub for long, but I've been lurking on here probably for years longer than most long-time members, along with the Sherdog forums and Bullshido.

I see people arguing with, where I train, obvious knowledge which pretty much is required to be anywhere near half-competent.

Fitness and strength aren't helpful for martial arts, masters whose styles have been around for longer than the country they actually live in - don't know what they're doing, and actually meeting a basic standard of fitness is really fucking unhelpful in the real world.

This made me realize something that perhaps should have been obvious. Eh, to some of us anyway.

The idea that you would actually stand up for yourself, and innocent people, in the street is a complete foreign concept to those who haven't actually mastered any aspect of fighting.

How could you expect to have the spine to actually stand your ground when you're, you know, meh?

I guess where I'm going is, there's a fairly fucking big difference between training seriously and being a hobbyist, and if you're the latter, it isn't surprising that you can't intervene in a moment like this.

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[–]MarkEMark81Jiu Jitsu/Muay Thai 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't think anyone here argues that running/preventing conflict is the only option. Rather it is the first option. Ideally conflict is a last resort. But just because we think so doesn't mean any of us are lacking in ability.

[–]FarEasternStudent[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rather it is the first option. Ideally conflict is a last resort.

You would think so, eh? Yet somehow people on this sub will go on and on about how you must always run, never save anyone, never engage no matter what.

Fucking pathetic, or so it seemed, until I wrote down the musings in this thread.

[–]sreichesKyokushin 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, most will say to deescalate first. Then, that having failed and if there is no one else at risk and you don't have a reason beyond ego and personal wealth to stay and fight, make your exit.

This is why nuance is important. It's easy to create a straw man when you pare something down to a strict absolute, which no one (or very few) ever advocated.

[–]Docholiday888 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Running isn't necessarily bad advice but it's a common sense suggestion that doesn't need to be repeated as often as it is. Then again you have guys in here asking "how do I beat up 3 250lb thugs armed with guns and knives?" Or maybe something slightly less ridiculous. It's an all to common question and it reflects the ignorance of the general public and how skewed their notions about martial arts are thanks to tv and movies. I can't run and leave my wife and child behind, I wouldn't stand idly stand by or run when a woman or elderly person is attacked. I think the real problem is people not wanting to give a decent answer to the same stupid questions we see regularly.

I don't think anyone here is going to argue against strength training and fitness to compliment MA training. If they do they're in the minority.

I agree there's a gulf of difference between serious training and a hobbyist and even in the category of hobbyists there's a big difference. I see serious training as what a professional fighter does, it's a full time job, I doubt anyone here does that. A hobbyist on the serious end of the spectrum can train 4 hours a day. Then you have dabblers who train for an hour or two once or twice a week.

Now that school has started I've toned down my training and I was ready for it. 2-3 hours a day 5-6 days a week was starting to take over. It takes a lot of work to maintain that level too. It's very difficult to train that much and balance work, training, and a family. As long as you realize where you're at in your training I don't think it matters. The problem is guys who train a few hours a week and think they can hang with a pro or even a serious amateur.

Edit: crap I just realized this is solarium's fake second account. Well, glad I wasted my time.

[–]mattBerniusCMA, FMA, Crappling (on the way to BJJ), & Scholar Fu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Making a smart and nuanced argument for others to read is never a waste of time.

You should probably save this one for reposting in the future (cause it's quite good) -- then it's definitely not a waste of time.

[–]WhenInRoam0 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This was funny for one thread but now it's kinda dumb.

[–]Apollo78BJJ | Nō Homo no jutsu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you just described him as a person.

[–]Apollo78BJJ | Nō Homo no jutsu 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

TL;DR

Daddy never said I love you. Please pay attention to me.

[–]FarEasternStudent[S] -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, good job putting yourself out there as the poster child for what I'm talking about.

CLAP!

Well done.

[–]Grarvindur[TKD|Judo|MMA|MuayThai] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, this must be a new low. Congrats.

[–]kipjak3rd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

you're not a fucking hero, never have been and never will be.

you're not brave, you're an dumb twat that romanticizes violence.
get some help you delusional twat.

[–]Bag_of_Drowned_Cats 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why did you make a new account to post this?

[–]ChristopherBurgIaido | Judo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being a hero sounds glorious until you're bleeding out from a gunshot wound because the people who appeared to be unarmed were actually packing concealed firearms.

Being a hero also sounds glorious until you come across a scene where one person is being attacked by two others and you intervene only to find out that the one person was the initial aggressor and distracting the two people who were defending themselves gave that individual an opportunity to draw a knife and start stabbing all of you.

Running isn't the be all, end all and I don't think most people emphasizing the importance of running believes it is. But running is the smartest move in most cases because:

  1. Any physical confrontation can dangerous or deadly to yourself (and the point of self-defense is to avoid harm to yourself).

  2. You will almost always be dealing with unknown factors such as the attackers' armaments and skill level.

  3. If you come across a scenario you will be dealing with a great many unknown factors such as who initiated the aggression.

  4. You will be taking on potential legal liability, which is expensive even if you're innocent (as anybody who has had to hired a lawyer knows).

Removing yourself from a bad situation is usually the best default strategy to have. It's not always feasible, no strategy is always feasible, but it's a sane default strategy to have.

[–]ThatMoslemGuyMuay Thai 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

shit, you should always avoid confrontation if you can. Like it's something i knew even before i started Muay Thai and started training to do amateur fighting. Like if it's unavoidable, then yeah, throw down, but if you can avoid it, then avoid it. if you do throw down, yeah, dip out right afterwards, run like the wind, get a taxi get out of the area. You don't know who that guy is, you don't know who they roll with, its dangerous shit man. Like growing up in a not so great neighborhood, you'll be surprised just how dangerous people can be and they may not even look it. Especially the young ones. Young ones are always so quick to act brash cause they want to act tough and they think they got something to prove and want to make a name for themselves. You look at the older cats, they more mellowed out about confrontation, some of them have done time, they've seen or done shit, they know what its like. That's jus my experience, and why i choose to avoid confrontation, like growing up in a not so great neighborhood, seeing people my age (I'm almost 24) and hearing that some of them are dead now or in jail cause of stupid shit that can be avoidable if they just to make peace. It's tragic shit man.

But yeah, if it's unavoidable, then throw down, but if you can avoid it, avoid it.