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What do you dislike about this sub? (self.martialarts)

BulkNSkullBJJ | Muay Thai が 投稿

This was a fun post from r/mma a while back that I got a laugh at some of the responses. It's supposed to be a place to vent a little in a light hearted way.

The thing that annoys me most is when people suggest that a gun would be best for that situation. As someone who isn't from America I wouldn't even know where to look for a gun and I'd get arrested for having it anyway.

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[–]chicagojoewalcottSanda, MMA, Boxing 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love that this is a small community, and the communications here is, with one or two notable exceptions, excellent. The problem is, of course, those one or two exceptions.

With the community being so small, obvious bait and inflammatory BS that would be buried or ignored on larger subs gets a fair enough share of the conversation space that everyone has to experience it. Which means that those posters who just get off on forcing people to pay attention to them have a wealth of opportunity to do so.

It's like if we were all having a conversation in a coffee shop and someone routinely runs in and starts screaming because they now that no one will stop them and we'd all have to listen.

[–]Apollo78BJJ | Nō Homo no jutsu 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only thing that would really kill these people would be IP bans and that's sadly not happening. Pretty sure that's admin territory, not just moderation territory

[–]Grarvindur[TKD|Judo|MMA|MuayThai] 19ポイント20ポイント  (4子コメント)

TheSolarian

[–]WhenInRoam0 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol. So coy.

[–]Grarvindur[TKD|Judo|MMA|MuayThai] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

hey guys TheSolarian sucks heh lolol xD :P ;)

[–]CaptainCaribbean 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yo, I saw your video for the monthly challenge. The place you filmed it at looked Dutch. Are you Dutch, by any chance?

[–]Grarvindur[TKD|Judo|MMA|MuayThai] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm Swedish but this was actually recorded in Korea, where I'm studying and training at the moment.

Close guess though? Heh :D

[–]starlightstraightBoxing|TKD|BJJ 10ポイント11ポイント  (34子コメント)

We have some very grounded and educated people here. I mean that seriously. Not only do people have an understanding of the basic techniques, but they also have a good understanding of applications. This causes certain obvious notions about martial arts to be buried beneath the more profound and nuanced discussions.

The great thing about this sub is that while we endorse less violence and self-defense only as a last resort, the people here know enough to not simply end every discussion thread with:

"Run /thread"

We discuss situations with the understanding that someone in the situation is

1) bothering with martial arts 2) is actually fighting someone competent.

The ironic effect of this is that once in a while some new guy or even one of the regulars here will come along with some "epiphany" regarding self defense. Such as:

"Hey, guys, I just found out the greatest way to win a fight! Run!"

Or the seemingly thought-provoking but obviously basic points such as:

"If your sword fighting doesn't target the wrists, your fighting style is bullshit." Or "Every martial artist must be fit."

The points that no one thought warrants discussion eventually surface in a way that is just annoying. And when the people who brings up these points get told off with non-serious responses, these OPs would in turn start insulting the whole sub as a bunch of amateurs who can't fight, as a bunch of people who doesn't even know the most basic tenets of martial arts.

I mean, thank god we don't talk about these most basic points all the time. Can you imagine how big the circlejerk this place would become if every day we just posted threads such as:

"It's important to remember the effectiveness of eye pokes in a street fight." And everyone prompts to say "Yes, indeed." Holy shit would that make this sub terrible.

You know what, I propose we have a list of basic martial arts topics we all agree on and post it as a sticky, so that we can stop getting these obvious posts from now on.

You know who I'm thinking of after I wrote all this?

[–]Grarvindur[TKD|Judo|MMA|MuayThai] 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

TheLunarian?

[–]theLunarian 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Eh, your shallow allusion to me just shows how obsessed r/martialarts is with me, and the fact I HAVE to respond to every slight doesn’t at all show how insecure and thinned skinned I am.

Everything I say is right, AT ALL TIMES.

I am never incorrect.

It can’t possibly be ME. I’ve trained with the secret Sinophile Kung fu warrior monks style, never mind that kung fu is a catch all term in Chinese and could mean any skill gained with hard training/study, and Albert Einstien was my mentor, my ACTUAL mentor.

Yeah that’s right I’ve branched out into physics as my latest topic to totally bullshit on educate the peons of reddit.

It’s not my fault that every subreddit I post in just doesn’t want to see the wisdom shining out of my anus in my words, I’m like Jesus.

I’m strong of mind as well as body and not total over compensating for something in real life.

I could tell you in more detail, but when anyone hears of my abilities, well......... y’know.

Also none of you can be trusted, I’m so vague because the secret, cool chop sockey chook arts must be protect by the special snow flake that is moi, though, never mind that I never comment on any of the fine technical post and discussion on this sub, oh no! I just spout vaguities and then tell people to drink their milk when they disagree with me or ask for clarification.

Perhaps I’ll mention their mother, because we all know that mom/mum put downs are the height of wit.

People dogpile against me because this place is a circle jerk, because you’re all afraid to think for yourselves, you sheeple.

Cos y’know....only I could have possible worked all this out. Only me never mind that I never have anything constructive to add ever.

Even when I do say something that is worth listening to I immediately ruin by being having to rub my massive brass balls on everything in my follow responses.

Eh, almost forgot to say that none of you will ever amount to anything, never mind the fact I got banned from OkCupid, that doesn’t show a total stellar loser I am AT ALL.

Eh, just THINK, USE your TINY MINDS.

[–]WhenInRoam0 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know who I'm thinking of after I wrote all this?

Donald Trump

[–]Apollo78BJJ | Nō Homo no jutsu 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

On top of what others have mentioned, self promotion. I feel like out of principle we should be lampooning people for plugging their own products.

[–]NfinityPlusOneShotokan Karate, Judo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That dit da jow post the other day pissed me off.

[–]wampastompa09Kenpo-Jujitsu Eskrima 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Elitism and Ego.

[–]halfcastaussieTKD | BJJ | Muay Thai 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think the sub could use some beautification. And we need to figure out how to ban solarian and his IP

[–]Apollo78BJJ | Nō Homo no jutsu 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ban the twat flailing in his back yard too.

Neither of them have any real relevance to martial arts. One pretends to do JKD, the other as far as I know has never stated that he trains anything or ever made an actual comment on a particular system.

[–]twat69jacket wrestling 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ban the twat flailing in his back yard too

OI. Oh wait. He keeps making accounts so fast that no ban would work on him. Unless they could create a bot that detects when videos are posted from his youtube account. He always uses the same one

[–]Apollo78BJJ | Nō Homo no jutsu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, let's be honest any ban on this sub is extremely unlikely. I'm thinking IP ban.

[–]hayat0 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just wanna see videos of him training so I know how the GOAT trains!

[–]WhenInRoam0 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

thesolarian entertains me. Sorry. I get excited when he posts.

It's such a train wreck. His lack of self awareness makes it all the more cringy.

[–]Scypio 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

His lack of self awareness makes it all the more cringy.

He makes me wonder. Reminds me of a M*A*S*H character - Frank Burns. He just might be decent and competent, generally good human being and a person, but he lacks insight, empathy, or something is wrong with his interpersonal skills. This makes him a Ferretface.

[–]FlerPlay 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I am very happy with the sub. Only thing that makes communication here problematic is the fact that it's an online forum.

Ideally, we should be able to meet up regularly and to argue by experimentation, not just thought experiments and anecdotes.

[–]damnmaster 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

...

Are you arranging a fight club?

[–]EndgameNukeMMA 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Comeon man you know the rule, don't talk about it

[–]Spear99WTKO | Shotokan | Shodan 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Overall I'm fairly content with the sub. It would be nicer if some ofhe elitism bullshit went away, and if newcomers to the sub would stop asking THE. SAME. FUCKING. QUESTIONS. EVERY. TIME

"hey guyz wut MA best for self defense?"

And

"I'm a short fat cripple with polio, what martial art can I do?"

Are the bane of my existence. The threads always have the same answers (unsurprisingly, since there are only so many answers that are best suited for the question) so I never understand why these people never bother to search if their question had been asked before.

I've honestly considered writing a goddamn bot to just troll (technical term, not TheSolarian type) the subreddit for some keywords and symbols in the titles of posts and just post the most common answers.

[–]FfanaticRJikishin-Ryu Juijitsu 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I dislike how much text is involved. I would rather see more videos, and not just tutorials either.

[–]kipjak3rd 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

what kinda videos you got in mind?

other than demonstrations, tutorials, and workout videos, what other relevant videos could there be?

[–]FfanaticRJikishin-Ryu Juijitsu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actual combat? I love technical breakdowns of fights.

There's lots more one can do.

[–]WhenInRoam0 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

What do you think. We are all strapping young men who are all in great shape due to martial arts. Use your imagination.

[–]kipjak3rd 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

strapping young men...in great shape

every conversation somehow finds its way back to turkish oil wrestling.

[–]RedJellyAnt 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lack of turkish oil wrestling videos

[–]chicagojoewalcottSanda, MMA, Boxing 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

I got you

[–]saekheartChangquan/BJJ/Krav Maga 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because nobody who has fought a Turkish Oil Wrestler has lived to tell the tales.

[–]WhenInRoam0 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

No meetups. I would be down to throw down and party with you guys.

[–]kipjak3rd 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

we all get at each others throats over the dumbest shit but i'd honestly love get to know you fellas over some beer and bbq.

Keg or two, meats on the grill, kicking it back and shooting the shit with all ya'll even that silly Sol. Take that internet beef and grill it up.

[–]WhenInRoam0 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would want to get together and spar.

If Sol is there.... "It's tiiiiiime....."

[–]BasedNoface 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

mortal kombat music starts playing

[–]RandaethyrMMA/Hakuto Shinken 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

No meetups.

The last time I tried this AJ from Seven Mountain Fraud Fist sent me death threats over FaceBook, and then ducked out.

[–]WhenInRoam0 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol. You mean you didn't get spirit fisted?

[–]RedJellyAnt 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm up for it.. where is everyone?

[–]ithikaCapoeira angola + ε BJJ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

earth.jpg

[–]RedJellyAnt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me too! We should so catch up for some rough and tumble

[–]MacintoshEddieKrav Maga 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

What I dislike most is that I've been here for like weeks and I haven't surpassed Kakkarot!

[–]T3chnopsychoKarate 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like that we have such a well rounded community. We have people who fight in MMA tournaments, people from various kinds of martial arts, people that solemnly train point fighting etc. And we can all learn from each other. I dislike that sometimes some elitist behavior comes through in form of people totally discrediting a martial art because schools are bad.
IMO the martial art itself isn't bad just because the majority of the schools are bad at teaching. IMO pretty much all martial arts are legit. The problem is just that some have been watered down so much that they don't represent correctly what they could be.

That and I also notice a lot of disliking because an opinion isn't popular or people are of different opinion.

[–]cmbtstev 3ポイント4ポイント  (23子コメント)

I get mildly irritated by the incessant "(random TMA) doesn't work" posts. Most of the TMAs they speak of developed during a time when, if your martial art didn't work, you died. While it is true that most of them don't work within the modern rule sets of various sports (mma people please note, rules + ref = sport.) they obviously were very effective at one time, and can still be so if properly applied. There are no bad martial arts, only bad martial artists and teachers. I can't even count the number of times someone has posted a YouTube video of some incompetent idiot and used it to assert that the style is useless. Most of us are good enough practitioners to see the faults in this reasoning. Pushing down another art does not lift yours up. Sorry about the longish rant, I guess I get more than mildly irritated.

[–]mattBerniusCMA, FMA, Crappling (on the way to BJJ), & Scholar Fu 12ポイント13ポイント  (11子コメント)

Most of the TMAs they speak of developed during a time when, if your martial art didn't work, you died.

No offense but this simply isn't true. Most TMAs as we understand them today are less than 150 years old. The fact is most martial arts today were codafied within the last century. Hell, BJJ is technically older than TKD by a few decades.

Further, the way they are practiced in no way reflects historical practice. Martial Arts scholars have been doing yoeman's work over the last few decades to really document how most Asian martial arts have significantly changed over the last century or so.

So I'm sorry, but this claim really doesn't hold much water. Or if you think it does, you need to do the actual work to demonstrate how your TMAs history goes back to a point where "if you martial art didn't work, you died" and further that you practice it in the same way as they did back in "the good old days."

[–]omnomdumplingsKendo Kenjutsu 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

150 years isn't even an effective cutoff. Tons of koryu bujutsu are from the Edo peace and weren't battlefield tested. We should all do sengoku era kenjutsu from video footage

[–]mattBerniusCMA, FMA, Crappling (on the way to BJJ), & Scholar Fu 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fair point. Without a doubt the entire "battlefield" thing stopped the moment things transitioned from a constant state of skirmish to relative stability and martial arts transitioned from being a soldier and brigand technology to tools for civilian cultivation.

[–]omnomdumplingsKendo Kenjutsu 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a big source of debate on the koryu sub and Facebook about whether sword arts were ever battlefield arts, from an article by Dr Karl Friday. Essentially, so few wounds were from swords, and so few combatants used swords that it was the least economical way to use your training man hours. So why do the sengoku era arts emphasize the katana?

[–]mattBerniusCMA, FMA, Crappling (on the way to BJJ), & Scholar Fu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great point and I am very aware of those arguments. My understand is that bow (later rifle?) and pole arm/traditional were the traditional weapons on the Samurai pre-Edo period. That's still the present thought, right?

That also matches the development of army combat in other areas of the world. Swords were, beyond officers, a weapon of last resort when things got way too close and the line had broken.

So to your point I should have mentioned that even on the military arts side there was the transition from army (fighting en mass) to peace keeping forces (not to mention a transition to a dueling culture).

[BTW thanks for putting Dr Friday on my radar.]

[–]Scypio 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

sengoku era kenjutsu from video footage

Interesting! Googles...

The Sengoku period (戦国時代 Sengoku jidai?, lit. Age of Civil War; c. 1467 – c. 1603)

The joke flew right over my head.

[–]WhenInRoam0 6ポイント7ポイント  (9子コメント)

Most of the TMAs they speak of developed during a time when, if your martial art didn't work, you died.

I am sorry but armed combat goes back to the stone age. I don't think unarmed hand to hand combat didn't become important for self defense until advancing societies made carry weapons daily a rarity.

While it is true that most of them don't work within the modern rule sets of various sports (mma people please note, rules + ref = sport.) they obviously were very effective at one time, and can still be so if properly applied.

No that is not obvious.

There are no bad martial arts, only bad martial artists and teachers.

I disagree but I will level with you on the sake of argument and just say this. If we say there are no bad martial arts there are definitely martial arts out there that are exponentially better than others at producing results.

[–]Scypio 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are no bad martial arts, only bad martial artists and teachers.

To fiddle with it a little: there are no bad cars, only bad drivers. And now everybody can understand why this is so misleading that there are "no bad martial arts".

[–]cmbtstev -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I apologize in advance for brevity, I'm on my mobile and headed to bed. 1. Even in antiquity, people studdied hand to hand combat. Not to do so would be foolish, what if you weapon broke/got taken. Also, armed combat is part of martial arts. 2. It is obvious because of your martial art was ineffective, you usually did not live to pass it on. We, in the modern age tend to drastically underestimate how violent the previous ages are. 3. Better for what? Better for competing in an octagon? Better for defending yourself from a mugger? Better for improving your fitness, or self esteem, or mental health? This is part of my point, what works for one person in a particular situation, won't for another, or for another situation.

Mostly I'm sick of seeing people trying to make themselves seem better by pushing someone else down. In person, it is the hallmark of a coward and a bully. Online, in this forum it is just foolish. I feel that most of us know better anyways. If we don't, then we probably didn't learn some important lessons from our teachers

[–]WhenInRoam0 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. Even in antiquity, people studdied hand to hand combat. Not to do so would be foolish, what if you weapon broke/got taken. Also, armed combat is part of martial arts.

Oh I agree that armed combat as part of martial arts. But just look at the way we view weapons martial arts you can tell a lot of it was silly. All the spinning shit and what not. In a tight formation you aren't doing spinning shit. I agree there was hand to hand combat in antiquity. I just don't think it was very important when the person standing in front of you probably has a sword, a shield, a knife, poke arm, armor and was part of an infantry.

What do you do when you drop your weapon in a fight? You run your ass to another weapon. If you broke your pole arm, you pulled out your secondary weapon which is a sword and you went to go find another polearm. You don't go fisticuffs against somebody with a spear.

Even in not militarized combat a large knife on they belt and and axe was probably common for even the peasants.

  1. It is obvious because of your martial art was ineffective, you usually did not live to pass it on. We, in the modern age tend to drastically underestimate how violent the previous ages are.

No it's not. Not everybody fought in wars. A style can survive for a multitude of reasons.

  1. Better for what?

Better at training people to effectively use the techniques and skills taught in their style. Judo, bjj, boxing, Sambo, muay thai all consistently look like they are implementing the techniques they are training in a fight. While other styles, more often than not, look like spastic arm swinging and timid punches when they fight.

Better for competing in an octagon? Better for defending yourself from a mugger? Better for improving your fitness, or self esteem, or mental health? This is part of my point, what works for one person in a particular situation, won't for another, or for another situation

Why are you separating these things? There are martial arts that do all three really well.

Mostly I'm sick of seeing people trying to make themselves seem better by pushing someone else down. In person, it is the hallmark of a coward and a bully. Online, in this forum it is just foolish. I feel that most of us know better anyways. If we don't, then we probably didn't learn some important lessons from our teachers

Just because we think a style is garbage doesn't mean we are dogging the person. Many people think a slight against their style is a slight against them. It's not.

Take a lesson from Judo. Judo hears people rag on them all day about the shit if rules. You what judoka say? "Yeah, it blows." And then you know what they do? They go and earn the respect of other martial artists and they earn their respect for their martial art by working hard and kicking ass.

[–]RandaethyrMMA/Hakuto Shinken 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

  1. Even in antiquity, people studdied hand to hand combat. Not to do so would be foolish, what if you weapon broke/got taken.

We can base this off of primary sources.

I have a primary source in which the only unarmed combat techniques are grappling.

And then stabbing with a dagger.

Ignoring that one primary source (which is one of many from different regions), there are a few ethnic grappling systems and traditions that survive into the contemporary.

So it seems more likely that someone who found themselves in the position of being trained for armed combat would first, and primarily, train a grappling (with potentially some striking) system or tradition that would enhance their armed training. Which they would learn by applying it against other people who were resisting. Which is a far cry from marching up and down the floor three nights a week throwing reverse punches and shitty round kicks.

what works for one person in a particular situation, won't for another, or for another situation.

There are, however, objectively proven "ways". You can attempt to (badly) make the argument that "sport=/=street" when you attempt to say that modern combat sport systems are ineffective, but they are proven compared to the majority of "TMA", the practitioners of which rely more often than not on "faith" that their system works.

[–]mattBerniusCMA, FMA, Crappling (on the way to BJJ), & Scholar Fu 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

So it seems more likely that someone who found themselves in the position of being trained for armed combat would first, and primarily, train a grappling (with potentially some striking) system or tradition that would enhance their armed training. Which they would learn by applying it against other people who were resisting. Which is a far cry from marching up and down the floor three nights a week throwing reverse punches and shitty round kicks.

Just wanted to agree with this. If we look at a lot of proto arts, striking was often the last thing taught. And a lot depended on the function of the teaching.

If it was a military art, then you learned weapons first and grappling second. Again, if people claim they are learning a battle field art and they are not starting by learning weapons, then at best, they are learning a back up art. But chances are they are learning a civilian art and just wanted to buy into the idea that what they are learning is teh deadleez.

If it was a civilian art, then you would traditionally start with grappling and supplement with weapons and striking. I'm really interested as to when, where, and why that shifted towards striking first and then grappling. Honestly, I suspect a lot of it has to do with (a) the move of martial arts into performance spaces and (b) into public education.

And to your point, striking was typically there to supplement the grappling -- not the other way around.

Of course, there also was a sport element to the grappling -- though not necessarily is the way we think of modern sport.

[–]kenkyuukaiKoryu Bujutsu 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it was a military art, then you learned weapons first and grappling second.

That's not necessarily true. If I recall correctly, it was Yamamoto Kansuke (b.1493/1500 - d.1561), a famous general, who wrote that martial arts training starts from unarmed grappling arts. Next you learn close-range melee weapons (swords, etc.), then long-range melee weapons (spears, polearms, etc.) and then finally ranged weapons (bows, arqebuses, etc.).

You might be able to argue that his martial arts training was different than the average soldier's (I don't know) but as somebody who fought multiple campaigns, led over 10,000 troops, and eventually died in battle I think it's reasonable to say his views still pertain to military arts.

[–]mattBerniusCMA, FMA, Crappling (on the way to BJJ), & Scholar Fu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unarmed grappling training is typically taught very early in military training to help inspire fighting spirit (part of the reason why it's still part of army combatives to this day). The advantage of grappling is you can teach and practice it to a high degree without significantly injuring or killing your fellow soldiers.

So that makes sense and I drew the boundary way to hard in my initial comment.

That said doing sword first and then long-range melee makes absolutely no sense if you have an infantry driven army (unless you are not regularly fighting battles). I can understand pole arm before bow (or specialization of forces).

Or is he talking about Samurai (officer) training and not standard military training? Then I could see that because the Samurai were not training for the front lines.

I'd love to see an actual scholarly reference on that. Might it have come from his treatise (Heihō Ōgisho)? I know very little about Japanese military history, but still that doesn't scan well.

[–]cmbtstev -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

(Warning, incoming cut and paste)Ok, this has devolved into a typical internet argument where people squabble over the smaller points while ignoring the primary statement. So let me instead ask you a question. Do you think there is a benefit to riding down another martial art? If so what is it?

[–]mattBerniusCMA, FMA, Crappling (on the way to BJJ), & Scholar Fu 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

(Warning, incoming cut and paste)

No worries. I'm assuming that this wasn't in response to the discussion about grappling, weapons, and striking in proto arts.

[–]J9AC9K 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you, but for different reasons.

When people claim that X art is useless, and you press them why, it usually reveals a deep ignorance of the art in question.

"Aikido is useless because it only works with compliant opponents." You start learning the techniques with compliant opponents, like in all martial arts, but as you advance you practice with greater resistance in order to hone your technique.

"Kenpo is useless because the sets are too long." The reason you learn long sets is so that you can learn follow ups for multiple situations. You're never meant to perform a long set exactly as shown; rather, you learn to piece parts of sets together depending on what the opponent is doing. That's why American Kenpo has such a large curriculum.

"Karate/Taekwondo is useless because they don't do throws or grappling." Both traditional Karate and Taekwondo involve throws and grappling. Okinawan Karate was basically a mixed martial art. The problem is both arts suffer from very poor instructors.

"X art is useless because it's not used in MMA". 90% of BJJ is useless for MMA, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth learning. Civilian defense situations are different than ring situations. The most commonly taught self-defense technique is the escort lock -- used by police and bouncers -- but you'll never see it in MMA because it's not a submission tactic, it's a pain compliance tactic.

[–]JasonYoakamMuay Thai | Judo 0ポイント1ポイント  (14子コメント)

For me it's the way this sub constantly bullies /u/TheSolarian and /u/texasguy294.

As a community you go far beyond standard disagreement and logical debate, and you are often downright cruel about it.

For instance, I haven't read this thread yet, but I bet there are at least a few answers that basically just have "The Solarian." as their entire answer, and I bet they are well upvoted.

Frankly that's just cruel and unnecessary.

Edit: Yep. Found one.

Edit2: Wow... getting downvoted for this?

[–]NfinityPlusOneShotokan Karate, Judo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would definitely say it is bullying. I'm actually uncomfortable and disappointed with how much this has escalated. It's just so childish.

When an entire text post is dedicated to an individual redditor in the the sub, you know that something's not quite right. It clearly has affected him as it is pretty obvious that he created a new account and went on to post this under a different name.

These guys might be downright rude and delusional, but it should be quite plain to see that they're both struggling with some inner demons. Why make life harder for them? Take the high road.

[–]JasonYoakamMuay Thai | Judo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

These guys might be downright rude and delusional, but it should be quite plain to see that they're both struggling with some inner demons. Why make life harder for them? Take the high road.

My thoughts exactly. Besides, there are tactful and intelligent ways to disagree with people without insulting them as a person.

I'm glad there's at least one other person here who sees this. It seems crazy how much the community seems to support this bullying. It's very lord of the flies-ish.

[–]Spear99WTKO | Shotokan | Shodan 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Are you new here? They've more than earned the abuse (at least TheSolarian, I can't speak for the other dude) with their shitty attitudes.

[–]JasonYoakamMuay Thai | Judo 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nah. I've been here a while. I am familiar with what they post and say. Noone earns abuse. When someone says something dumb, debate them. When they say something rude, downvote them.

This is just a classic instance of bullying. It doesn't matter if the victim "deserves it" or not. It's just bullshit.

[–]Spear99WTKO | Shotokan | Shodan 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think that's probably an ideological difference between us so I'll leave it at "I don't agree". I think the golden rule is double edged, and if they want to be insufferable cunts, we will be straight back.

[–]MentemMeumAmisi 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

and if they want to be insufferable cunts, we will be straight back.

Practice Mushin instead, your martial arts training will benefit from it.

[–]Spear99WTKO | Shotokan | Shodan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm familiar with the "no mind" concept but I only apply it in stressful situations, there's no need to use it because I come across the daily idiocies of our resident mongoloids. I'd say it would be an awesome thing if they felt unwelcome here and just fucked off to wherever they came from. They never provide useful or interesting content, constantly argument bait and use low-effort trolling and insults to derail conversations, and really don't seem to have any positive contributions.

Edit: honestly replace they with TheSolarian. I haven't had any run ins with the Texas dude that OP mentioned. Don't have anything against him

[–]JasonYoakamMuay Thai | Judo -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Being disagreeable and being an insufferable cunt are two drastically different things and I'm not convinced that either of them come even close to crossing that line, but I think you're right about this just being a simple ideological difference.

[–]Spear99WTKO | Shotokan | Shodan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I could fine some examples of him in my own comment history when I had my run in with him but I'm on mobile so it's not practical just this minute.

[–]Grarvindur[TKD|Judo|MMA|MuayThai] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He could also not attack everybody, that way everybody wouldn't retaliate. If you look at what that guy writes to people (often completely unprovoked) you won't think it's strange that he gets a lot of criticism, even though it probably has started getting out of hand today with that holocaust post.

Texasguy294 just posts a lot of nonsense but at least he doesn't go around insulting everyone as well, the only thing I see is his content getting disagreed with a lot and that's not exactly weird. Where did anybody bully him?

[–]JasonYoakamMuay Thai | Judo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

On TheSolarian: I don't really give a shit who started what. "He started it" is an argument for children. If something is rude, mean, or cruel, you just don't do it. If you think it's wrong for The Solarian to do it, then it is also wrong for you to do it. The only way to end a fight is for one person to win or one person to stop fighting. It is impossible to win a fight like this, so just stop feeding it. Just downvote him when he is rude and call it a day, but honestly if I came here and everything I said was immediately criticized and ridiculed just because people don't like me, I might be pretty aggressive, too. Who knows? Based upon the way people treat him, I really can't blame him for having such a negative and aggressive attitude.

Anyways, we've moved beyond being able to tell who started what. In any given thread now The Solarian might start something, but it is even more likely that someone else will taunt him, ridicule him, or provoke him before he has said anything aggressive at all. Just read around this whole thread for examples of people starting conflicts with him.

I can teach you a recipe to create The Solarian: have everyone criticize and target one particular user at all times on this sub. Give it a few months and the user will either A - leave the sub or B - turn into someone like The Solarian. I am not saying that this is how The Solarian became so combative, but I can definitely say that this bullying definitely fuels his demeanor.

On Texasguy: https://www.reddit.com/r/martialarts/comments/4yyivo/avoiding_attackers/d6rwpo5 This shit is fucked up and needs to stop. Read the rest of the post and you won't see people disagreeing with him. You will see people bullying him.

That thread was probably the straw that broke the camel's back for me when I realized that this issue had gotten out of hand.

[–]TheSolarian -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bullying?

Feh.

They're just having a sook.

"Bweh bweh bweh, you're such a meanie Solarian, no one could ever run for six kilometres, that's as impossible as strength training being good for grappling! You can't learn to defend against weapons unarmed, that's impossible!"

Useless, fucking pansies, that would die in a real fight.

Bullying?

No.

Whining. Useless fucking can't fight idiots with no experience crying because life is hard.

Fucking pathetic.

[–]JasonYoakamMuay Thai | Judo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"...You can't learn to defend against weapons unarmed, that's impossible!"

I'm totally with you on this sentiment. I think we agree on a lot of things. You can definitely train to defend against weapons unarmed. If something is possible for a person to do, then it is also possible for a person to train to get better and more consistent at it. Since we have footage of people defending knife attacks, then it must also be possible to train to better defend knife attacks. To say otherwise is just nonsense.

Do you have suggestions for arts/drills/techniques to train to work on this? I've been training Judo lately, and I feel like some sort of russian grip or kimura grip to a takedown would probably be a good strategy.

[–]fenrisx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You also owe me money