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LoreExtremely convincing involvement of Aldia in Ashes of Ariandel (self.darksouls3)

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Music is extremely important in these games. That being said, the initial music in the Ashes of Ariandel Trailer followed a F, E, G, C# progresion. What other song involved that exact progression? Well, just watch:

https://youtu.be/6Geiji95mH0

Edit: Here is me messing around with the same note progression in FL Studio overlayed with the trailer. It fits too perfectly

https://youtu.be/WkyneVZ8Qxo

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[–]SundoWavenot gud casul 124ポイント125ポイント  (3子コメント)

Amazing find ScottiVidya

[–]naiyt 43ポイント44ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm trying to place the voice actor. Is it possible that it's David Gant, the guy that voiced Aldia? Hard to tell, because his VA in DS2 had a lot of weird modulation to it.

He also did Oswald of Carim. I'm listening to both to see if it sounds like there's a connection.

EDIT: Listened to a bunch of Oswald and Aldia. I don't think it's him. David Gant sort of has this characteristic "lift" to his voice on a lot of words that's missing from anything said in the trailer. Listen to how he says "assistance" in this clip: https://youtu.be/nxtfnIOx0k4?t=54

Either way, I'm really hoping Aldia makes an appearance. He's one of the most interesting characters in Souls (and definitely the most interesting from DS2).

[–]Rhaegar1994 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really hope it's Aldia

[–]Raven_Biter_114 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Voice actor sounds like Ludleth.

[–]chickenburgerr 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

What if the Painted world and Drangleic are the same place. Both have crow people and bad weather.

[–]CrystlBluePersuasion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

His voice reminds me of the poor soul that introduced Ludwig the Accursed, listening to the trailer and the intro for Ludwig makes them sound similar but I'm not 100% certain.

[–]sp4cetime 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pretty sure it's Ingward

[–]ChettlarWalmart. Lose Souls. Die better. 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ingward's is way more high pitched and twingy

[–]sunlit_spook 40ポイント41ポイント  (38子コメント)

I was thinking the trailer really reminded me of Aldia's keep & that forlorn mention ugh. Really hoping he's involved, the hype is real.

inb4 he's the final boss

[–]Arcturiel 5ポイント6ポイント  (33子コメント)

Irks me that you imply links based on the use of the word forlorn... It's a normal English word. It's like... If one of the characters said "that Greirat fellow sure is mild-mannered " and people started saying "omg Greirat and Pate are related! " Know what I mean?

[–]naiyt 62ポイント63ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's not just the word forlorn...if you watch the video there's the musical connection at the exact moment he says it.

Also, the Forlorn armor set in DS2 is all about the fact that they don't have a home.

Now they drift into other worlds, ever in search of a home. But without self, one has neither beginning nor end, and so the Forlorn have only to wander.

And in the trailer:

If you are like us, another forlorn soul, with no place to call your own...

It's not crazy to see a connection.

[–][deleted] 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really good point that I didn't think of.

[–]XXX200o 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

"unkindle one, if you're like us, another forlorn soul with no place to call your own, than show mylady flame"

I'm sure this is a clear hint to the painted world, although i don't get the flame part. Maybe i just missunderstood this line.

[–]Skinnyfu 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is it ludleth's voice? I wasn't sure. But if it is it could be related to a firekeeper who's champion never linked the flame, a la dark firelink. Suuuuuuper speculative.

[–]MoarDakkaGoodSirA proper moundin'. 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thought it looked like she was frozen, or behind an ice wall.

[–]Arcturiel -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've still made no connection that doesn't rely entirely on the word forlorn. Forlorn and "no place to call your own" are practically synonymous. It's as redundant as saying "you sad soul, you're really unhappy"

[–]CandidateRev 8ポイント9ポイント  (16子コメント)

The Forlorn Soul stuff is a fairly obvious reference to the Corvians, who are always described as "Forlorn souls guided by heretical storytellers."

But that is in itself somewhat of an Aldia connection, since the Sable Church seems to worship Velka and has both a philosophy similar to Aldia's and turns people into weird root-monsters filled with black flame similar to Aldia.

[–]Shroom_Soul 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Sable Church's philosophy is more in-line with Vendrick's ideals. Vendrick believed that a true monarch should embrace Light and Dark while Aldia wished to renounce both.

[–]djplotfellow 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

For what it's worth, the Corvians are very strongly implied to be tied to the Painted World and Priscilla. If the Painted World is where things frightening/dangerous to the gods are locked away, it's not unreasonable to think Aldia could be put there as well.

[–]Boom-man 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

How would you even get him there?

[–]Yusaris_of_Londor 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's tied to the flame, so he can appear at any place with a bonfire.

[–]djplotfellow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same way Priscilla, the undead dragon and the crow demons ended up there, I guess. The mechanics by which Priscilla was locked away were never explained, just that she was and why.

[–]Arcturiel -5ポイント-4ポイント  (10子コメント)

Speculation used as evidence. Only actual reference to canon is the quote... Not convincing

[–]CandidateRev 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

I can provide you some more evidence if you like. What part are you disputing, the connection of the Sable Church to Aldia, the Sable Church to the Corvians or the Corvians to the DLC?

[–]Arcturiel 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

Sable church to just about anything because the only characters having come from Londor are Yuria and the pilgrims. Pus of man to aldia because they are not tree-like at all... And there's no black flame to be seen. The sable church and the corvians might have a connection if we baselessly assume their heretical faith is that which the sable church preaches.

[–]CandidateRev 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

? I didn't connect the Pus of Men to Aldia, I connected the Pilgrim Butterflies, which are yes, a flying mass of roots filled with Black flame, like Aldia.

And the Sable Church probably worships Velka because Yuria's set is modelled after a raven.

Also we have a tree hollow (IE, a partly-transformed Pilgrim) in this screenshot in the DLC:

http://assets.rpgsite.net/images/images/000/048/121/original/DarkSouls3DLC4_(1).jpg

[–]RadDad333 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes but those are everywhere in the base game. Look around the high wall bonfire.

[–]CandidateRev 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're only in Lothric, where the hollow pilgrims are going.

[–]Arcturiel 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Partly transformed pilgrim my ass. The pilgrim butterflies don't resemble roots at all, they're fleshy. And the conclusion that the sable church worships Velka is so baseless I actually laughed out loud. Jumping to conclusions on the legs of a cricket, my friend.

[–]CandidateRev 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sorry, but the way the branches on all the hollow trees point directly up is way too similar to the Pilgrim Butterflies for it to be a coincidence.

I do love how you don't actually try to dispute the Velka-Sable Church connection. Maybe you could try actually explaining why Yuria would wear robes designed after a crow? Especially since the Sable Church has access to Vow of Silence, which was very specifically a Velka miracle.

[–]Arcturiel -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

The Sable Church has strong canonically confirmed ties to Kaathe. There would have to be a strong connection between Kaathe and Velka. If there were any connection between Kaathe and Velka, we'd know by now. In addition, a connection to crows does not necessarily imply a link to Velka. We trade items with crows in every game, for example.

[–]sunlit_spook 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you watch the video OP linked? There might be other links to the forlorn besides just the word.

When I first watched the trailer the word did little more than remind me, I wasn't going to start speculating because exactly of what you said, it's a normal English word. But context is also important.

[–]AndruRC 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Know what's another normal English word that is used to identify recurring characters?

Crestfallen.

[–]Arcturiel -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

So I guess if Anri ever said that he/she is feeling crestfallen would that suggest some kind of lore link???!!11 :o Amazing.

[–]YogWhateley 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well actually yes ha. At this point in the franchise the use of that particular word would totally have implications. "Oh you thought Hawkwood was your crestfallen warrior? Wrong losers, it was your waifu all along! Trollsoft wins again!"

[–]AndruRC 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well yeah. FROM is very precise with its dialog. If they used a word that was associated with a specific character, it's probably not by accident.

[–]Arcturiel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree. If every adjective they used meant they can never use it again on another character, they'd quickly run out of words they can use. I believe you're giving this word prejudice because it's unfamiliar to you.

[–]rharber83 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

it irks me that you think forlorn is a normal english word? how many times have you used it in you lifespan? ;) j/k

[–]Realerstokes17 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would say it's a normal word if you like to read a lot, but spoken aloud not many people say it.

[–]athenadark 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's a very old fashioned word, meaning sad or hopeless, words come in and out of fashion all of the time, like you using irk, someone else might use the more common annoy, but fifty years ago irk was perfectly normal, 100 years ago it was I find it irksome

but forlorn is a weird choice nonetheless because of it's connotations, there is a forlorn hope [one with no chance of happening] which is also the first charge against a seige where the frontrunners were expected to be slaughtered. It also means forsaken, abandoned, lost and desperate

[–]djplotfellow 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems plausible that, if we are revisiting the Painted World in some form, Aldia would be there, considering it was used to lock away things threatening to the gods.

[–]Blockhead1893 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus at the start of the trailer the tree is covered in small lights that are very similar to the fire bugs in the DS2 trailer.

[–]Shinnokh 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The "forlorn" part is most likely a reference to the Corvians.

[–]lt_disco 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

This seems like it might be coincidental but since there's other instances of this like Spoiler:, maybe you're on to something. Nice find.

[–]DamnNoHtml[S] 33ポイント34ポイント  (9子コメント)

At this point it would be more surprising if they accidentally did this.

[–]ninthbelief 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

They've had other meaningless instances of this, like Sif's theme in Ludwig's, but those are two different series so it's not on the same level.

I would be shocked if it didn't have some meaning here.

[–]tower_knight 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Other examples could include the themes of Cleric Beast and Laurence, as well as Aldrich and Gwyndolin. So it's definitely possible. So maybe we fight aldia or something other character related to him

[–]RAY_REDD 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Red herring m8 Miyazaki fucking ya

[–]PimpnCereal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think you have much sway in declaring that. While the musical layover is correct, you haven't said anything about the theory or the casual use of the chords (if there is one, I'm not the music guy). But especially when it's literally four notes, I don't think you've really presented "irrefutable" proof that there's a connection beyond theming.

[–]MajorTom29 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think anything Miyazaki does is an accident...

[–]XeriehGwyndolin is my waifu 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really hope Aldia shows up, he was one of my favourite characters from ds2

[–]LookSkywardEdition 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

From the forlorn set of Dark Souls 2

Born of Aldia's obsession with the First Sin, the Forlorn lost both their corporeal form and a world to call their own. Now they drift into other worlds, ever in search of a home. But without self, one has neither beginning nor end, and so the Forlorn have only to wander.

Edit: Formatting

[–]FireKeeper83 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

That has A LOT of similarity to the trailer transcript.

"Unkindled one. If you are like us, another forlorn soul with no place to call your own, then show my lady flame."

[–]field_of_lettuce 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

-Scott lore only jund

[–]GJ4E0 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus, proof that Souls people are the most keen investigators out there. Nice find man you always seem to impress me.

[–]tower_knight 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The piano does sound similar. It's certainly possible, it was done before in Soul of Cinder's second phase. Or maybe the composer just felt like using the same key signature and progression lol.

As for the voice, it sounds different from aldia

[–]apinabanaani 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The beginning part sounds alot like nashandras theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjaYBPlHiu8

[–]Aerectbannana 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

When the fuck is the pig shield pvp video coming?

[–]NifaxizziGet out of my forest. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was about to say "well that probably isnt that rare of a chord progression" nd then i realized you were actually talking about a leitmotiff.

Then yes ofc, nice find, in a very "silent" game like Dark Souls melodies usually mean a lot. Reason why gwyn's theme hits you like a truck when it originally plays, and then again when it plays in the second form of the soul of cinder fight.

[–]PATRlCK_ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

holy shit

[–]LongBowOolan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hype flame has been linked !

[–]SanLimone1000 years old little girl 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

holy shit!

I'm at work and dont have speakers

[–]folkdeath95of Farron Keep 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

where is this music coming from

[–]Minticus-Maximus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bloodborne crossover confirmed.

[–]darkaxl 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

wouldn't be surprised if hes in the dlc i mean knight slayer made it and the ladder guy (sadly dead)

[–]rharber83 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

how do we know the ladder guy is dead? Oh no? I was sad when i found the dead elizabeth mushroom

[–]Uncle_Walter 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

His body is by the profained capital bonfire. I think he had an undead home shard on him.

[–]FireKeeper83 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats what he gets for overcharging for a fucking ladder =D

[–]darkaxl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

hes just sleeping how about that :)

[–]GoldNexus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

VaatiVidya DansGame

ScottJund PogChamp

[–]supr_slack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

good ear! While the two excerpts your presented certainly are within the same key and style, ONLY the first two notes are identical. :)

I transcribed the two excerpts for you:
1 Arandiel
2 Aldia

In case you don't read notation the Arandiel excerpt is "F, E, Bb, A, Bb, Gb" and the Aldia excerpt is "F, E, G, Db"

edit: A later part of the Ariandel intro soundtrack (at 0:40 in the Bamco trailer) features a more identical variation of the Aldia theme, although embellished, which proves the composer has certainly used the Aldia theme for this Ariandel trailer soundtrack.

[–]sranger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is kind of shocking if it's true and not just a coincidence. Earlier in the subreddit, Japanese speakers/readers broke it down that the Japanese ingame description of soul stream in DS3 was NOT referring to Aldia.

Aldia's Japanese name is (researcher of the first sin), while the ingame description of soul stream in DS3 in japanese refers to "first of the scholars", which is pointing to the Pontiff.

Plus, there's a pontiff statue (same unique flame blade he uses in the boss fight). Also the Pontiff's clothes are really similar to the scholars in the archives.

We've kind of confirmed Aldia has no importance to DS3, but now this find shows up again..it's kind of a stretch though. Or it could just be harping on themes of Aldia's message (don't light the fire, Velka + londor + Sable Church).

[–]CrystalMagicChamelon 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good find man. Aldia is one of my all time favorite souls characters- a connection would be fucking amazing. Something you might have missed- the very opening scene of the trailer is the unkindled walking through the snow past a tree which has tiny flames burning at the end of it's branches. Being that aldia is a sort of flaming tree, I doubt that was accidental.

[–]FireKeeper83 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The trees look like the flying Pilgrim Butterflies from the castle, just more regressed. The ones in the very first area of the castle look like an even more regressed form.

[–]Abyss_walkingLook Good. Get Good. Dark Souls 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I heard Nashandra's theme at the start.

EDIT: Rewatching it, it definitely sounds like a mix of Nashandra and Aldia themes. I love both of those tracks <3

[–]FireKeeper83 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gotta agree, it's too similar to be a coincidence. Im wondering if Aldia will have ties to Velka, Goddess of Sin, or if theories regarding Karlas description as a "child of the dark", are literal.

[–]ReggiarditoProvide Thee Succ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope so. Aldia was one of my favorite parts of DS2 lore so to see him forgotten like the primordial serpents were just breaks my heart.

[–]boogieIVmesa 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, the word drop of 'forlorn' and it sounded like the narrator could have been old man Aldizzle

[–]arkage_is_pay2win 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just the trailer itself gave me SotFS and Aldia vibes, but it was just a hunch. Now it looks like there's some concrete evidence, too. I really doubt they would do something like this without reason.

And THANK GOD, Dark Souls 2 had a lot of interesting lore in it that I felt From really missed out on in Dark Souls 3, and I really hope they expand upon it in this DLC.

[–]Dark_TlalocAbysswalker 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The music in general also reminded me very much of a similar motif to Sulyvahn's (which might be in keeping with the general feel of the trailer). I was definitely reminded of Aldia in the beginning, and have been hoping he'd make an appearance somewhere in DS3.

[–]HelloFr1endMoonlight in the Abyss 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I got Sulyvahn vibes too.

[–]akarte 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that guy in the trailer speaking using the Forlorn set?

[–]HoodedSwordsman40/30/40/10/25/30/60/15/10 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

im hoping Sin will be a better mechanic in the DLC if this is true

[–]Haxyl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Couldn't agree more, and definitely when you look back at the Soul of Cinder theme which is a revamp/revisit of Gwyn's theme in DS1. So the music note relation theory seems very plausible

[–]Razhork 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hope he is involved imply on the basis that I enjoy Aldia as a character, however I highly doubt he will be involved in this upcoming DLC. That's all I can really say about this. We'll find out when it launched in 2 months or when someone leaks the content.

[–]DarkmoonDingo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why I love this sub! Is it October 25th yet?

[–]7-SE7EN-7First Sun of Gwyn 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hey, is dnd on tonight?

[–]DamnNoHtml[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

nope

[–]7-SE7EN-7First Sun of Gwyn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, I want to learn more about shit. Maybe watch another rope single strandedly kill all of you

[–]namebrandkombumy other sword is a caestus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

nice attention to detail, this is probably the hardest evidence beyond speculation, thanks

[–]Gun-RunnerBoyd-flavoured Fashion Police 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You see a lady/person with brownish clothings a hat and whitefish hair, in front of something that looks like it's made out of wax - I thought it resembled the first scholar statue a lil bit - like, i mean they resemble lorian... With that soggy ass hair in the face and all.... Maybe another scholar appears... Or another prince/princess...

[–]KingStannisForever 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

YEAH! Give us ALDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think that the guy with the lordvessel is Bearer of the Curse (from the second game)

[–]FireKeeper83 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

How so? The only Lordvessel known to exist in Drangleic is busted into pieces in the Majula mansion. That, and it would make no sense for it to be the Bearer of the Curse.

[–]Revan619 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Extremely convincing

Oh you'

Though I do hope you are right, I was massively disappointed by this misleading clickbait.

[–]DamnNoHtml[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes I spent hours reconstructing the song and getting the exact notes in FL Studio for clickbait.

[–]Revan619 -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh I was talking about this one https://youtu.be/6Geiji95mH0

Well played with that edit and second link making me feel like a dirt bag tho.

0-3 Scott - (Yes Im still counting the tournament one ups xD)

[–]DamnNoHtml[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I had that link literally three minutes after I originally posted this thread. You didn't read it.

[–]Revan619 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

*didn't see it.

Saw it on YT first but didn't see the link in the description to the private video until after you mentioned either.

Probably much like someone who asks the clerk where to find something and the clerk reaches across your field of vision to pick it up >.>

[–]Scrubstadt 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lmao the start sounds similar to nashandra's theme as well.

"Extremely convincing involvement of Nashandra in Ashes of Ariandel"

Given the blatant ariamis allusions, the forlorn word choice is likely more closely related to the corvians who are described as "forlorn souls". In fact the dialogue itself seems practically ripped from the storyteller staff description.

[–]Jgwman 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought this was going to be memes, Scott. I'm disappointed.

Really though, that's pretty awesome.

[–]sinister-pony 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

the boss with the lord vessel is velka. ive done a bit of search on item descriptions and im almost 100% that is the boss shown.

[–]Shroom_Soul 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Related to Velka? Definitely. But I think it's more likely that the hooded woman at the start is Velka.

[–]SerithiGIANT'S. GIANT'S. GIANT'S. BECOME UNSTOPPABLE. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not. It was confirmed on the facebook page to be a he, not a she.

[–]MeNnO539May the Darkmoon watch over thee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

HOLY FUCK

[–]Cell91 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

i love me some Aldia but i don't see how he'll fit in this story.

[–]Shroom_Soul 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

If someone had told me a couple of years ago that Raime was hanging out in the Iron King's land I wouldn't have believed them.

[–]evilchemi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

when i originally saw the boss with the huge soulvessel, my immediate thought was that it resembled vendrick (particularly the size). could equally be aldia before he turned into a huge blob.

[–]XXX200o -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

I can't imagine how aldia would fit in a velka/painted world themed dlc and this is pretty sure painted world themed (place for unwanted souls, crow boss, wooden bridge in front of a cliff with the buildings in a good state).

[–]KallyWallyFor hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee. 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, seriously. How would the Scholar of the First Sin have anything to do with the Goddess of Sin? That's way too much of a stretch.

[–]XXX200o -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

ds2 never made the connection between aldia and velka. Scholar of the first sin refers to the creation of the chaos flame and isn't linked to velkas sin-hunting-system (in my opinion).

[–]KingStannisForever 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

You are totally wrong man. The First Sin refers to the linking of the Fire by Gwyn. And Aldia as the scholar studies it, and is trying to find a third option a way out of the binnary choice. Beyond the scope of light, beyond the reach of dark.

Chaos Flame is the source of demons and was created by Witch of Izalith, when she tried to recreate/link the First Flame.

[–]XXX200o 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

and that's why aldia has a fire/root theme, his creations are found at the sinner boss and his interest in the witch of izalith.

I'm sure that trying to recreat the first flame and creating the chaos flmae, setting demons free is a sin. It happened before the fire linking buisness.

Ds2 still makes no connection between velka and aldia.

[–]akarte -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't that guy speaking in the trailer using the Forlorn set?

[–]gregleonardo -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really don't think they'll be returning some NPC that the B Team created.