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[–]tentonbudgiePMHNP-BC, private practice[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

This article supports the position that depression has heterogenous etiologies. I have found in discussion on Meddit that some think that depression is all the same no matter how one became depressed, thought this would be interesting.

[–]Codes4NailpolishM1 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

Does it make sense then to start trying to split depression off into different subcategories based on what they respond to/biomarkers?

[–]NarrenschifffPGY1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The trouble is we don't exactly have enough data to justify this yet (as far as I know). I think every clinician has had experience with individuals who have a melancholic style depression with a clear cut event that would be responsible, vs an individual who appears to have a personality or habits secondary to which they often feel down and can through frustrating events or life demands experience more depressive symptoms.

However, in order to do something meaningful with the hypothesis, we would need to go looking for the data in a big way. That'll be a feat if it's done at all.

A quick literature search shows that some investigators draw a difference between melancholic, atypical, anxious, etc types but the evidence for both the diagnostic validity and effectiveness for guiding treatment seems to be mixed.

[–]tentonbudgiePMHNP-BC, private practice[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

It makes sense to split depression off into categories for various reasons. A woman whose mother encouraged her stepfather to rape her for years is depressed for an entirely different reason from someone who has a problem with inflammation.

The rape victim needs trauma informed therapy with a therapist, neurofeedback, meditation training or mechanically assisted meditation. That process will go on for years as she is gradually assisted into a new kind of adulthood that isn't so reactive and has more shades of grey. After significant progress is made and she is at least into Response, then it's time to think about an SSRI and the tiny little bit of good it will do that would otherwise have been completely lost in the noise of therapy.

The inflammation patient should have an anti inflammatory treatment including diet, possibly antibiotics, possibly probiotics, possibly have their dental work looked at to see whether there is a pocket of infection somewhere buried in a root canal or a bridge. Or it could be perfectly obvious rheumatoid arthritis. Or it could be something else, but I would be looking at medical causes for the inflammation rather than life history.

Another possibility for the depressed and anxious patient is a problem with methylation. Methylation problems are solved with methylation solutions, such as niacin or SAMe. There is also Deplin and a couple other prescription medical foods, but I'm not so sure of the research behind them.

In terms of EEG usage, the Antidepressant Treatment Response Index is good at separating people who are responding medically to a medication vs the placebo response, and can pick out people who are not responding and who should switch medications to a completely different mechanism of action.

Another EEG solution is to take an rEEG of a patient and ship it to MYnd Analytics to have it matched against a database of past scans to see what medications worked for people with a very similar scan.

Some people would rather make lifestyle modifications rather than take a medication for the rest of their lives. For them, try Steven Ilardi's six step plan and see whether they can get going that way.

I have had some success with cranial electrotherapy, heart rate variability training, audio-visual entrainment, strategic use of light, far infrared sauna, mineral water (which contains a bit of lithium and boron). I've gotten a lot more mileage out of vitamins than I thought was possible. Vitamin C, D3, magnesium, fish oil, and a B complex do a lot of good for depression. I've had that combination do great things for the negative symptoms of schizophrenia as well.

Sleep maximization is globally helpful. Blue blocker sunglasses worn after dark help the body cope with the abundant artificial blue light all around us and helps us use our natural melatonin for sleep. Using sleep tracker apps on pt's phones is helpful.

There are a lot of ways to go at it.

Most of the time, I wish primary care would just refer instead of figuring citalopram probably wouldn't hurt. The odds of that one being the right one are kind of slim.

[–]DimdammMed student (France) 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you also practice evidence based medicine sometimes?

[–]chewbacca_jockeyPGY-1 3ポイント4ポイント  (9子コメント)

far infrared sauna, mineral water (which contains a bit of lithium and boron)

Sorry for the skepticism, but source? Seems pretty pseudoscientific to me.

[–]tentonbudgiePMHNP-BC, private practice[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (8子コメント)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=lithium+water+suicide

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=lithium+water+crime

I had a patient a while ago who had a bipolar crisis, he almost needed inpatient treatment. Luckily his parents could fly out and help him for a while. They came to an appointment with me so we could plan out their support for a week or so.

They show up and as I suspected, both stated they had bipolar disorder. Their meds were a mess and they weren't on any lithium, so the predictable family fighting began immediately. I pulled my pt aside and said, "Why don't you pick up a case of San Pellegrino and stock your fridge with it? It can't hurt. It's a stab in the dark, but you never know."

Three days later he calls me and says they've all stopped fighting and his dad isn't sucking down the scotch anymore. 2-3 bottles for three days. I'm not saying it works, but it did once.

I keep a fridge full of it in one office. I tell everybody to have a couple cold waters and one for the road. Then again I'm not even pretending this is scientific. The real reason I keep my office stocked with San Pellegrino is to normalize the idea of taking lithium. It's got a bad reputation so explaining that I'm constantly pounding bottles of lithium water because it's so good for you helps set the stage for medication compliance.

[–]ChayossMB BChir - A&E 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

lithium water

I've noticed that almost every post of yours in this subreddit seems to be promoting lithium as first-line treatment of a number of mental disorders. Is there a reason for that?

[–]tentonbudgiePMHNP-BC, private practice[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, there is a very good reason for that. Lithium is amazingly effective. I have never seen so many people get so much better in such a short time.

[–]ChayossMB BChir - A&E 3ポイント4ポイント  (5子コメント)

Anecdotal evidence is not the same as good evidence. Lithium has all sorts of nasty side effects particularly in terms of renal and endocrine dysfunction and I've seen plenty of people with complications of lithium treatment. Lithium basically replaces sodium throughout the body as they have similar valencies, so any system that relies on sodium (aka all of them) will be affected whereas other treatment modalities have fewer pleiotropic effects.

Is there any reason to start it first line?

[–]tentonbudgiePMHNP-BC, private practice[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you honestly believe I'm just making it up that lithium is an excellent treatment for mood disorders? That this is some personal thing with me? It's one of the most extensively researched treatments in mental health.

Are you surprised that people need to eat protein?

[–]ChayossMB BChir - A&E 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Extensively researched and moved to third-line because there are safer and more efficacious treatments available. Your post above seems pretty heavy in confirmation bias to this external observer:

Their meds were a mess and they weren't on any lithium, so the predictable family fighting began immediately.

The real reason I keep my office stocked with San Pellegrino is to normalize the idea of taking lithium.