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Rooney 4 games 1 goal 3 assists. (self.reddevils)

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[–]Crusty_Gammon_FlapsBailly 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Good stats but if he is playing bad for 80 minutes of the game it's not that good.

[–]Eureferendumwatch -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thankfully playing "ok" is not the same thing as playing badly.

[–]fakeplasticairbagKeane 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's players out there who can have that statistical impact while actually playing well in the general run of play.

Our options aren't Wayne Rooney or play with 10 men.

Who says if played at 10 that Mkhitaryan or even Mata wouldn't have done even better as well as playing better in general play?

Maybe if Mkhitaryan had played 90 minutes at 10 we'd have been winning comfortably not chasing a last minute winner

[–]ireallyamsomethingRooney -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you'd have Mkhitaryan in the team but still play Mata on the right wing? I don't agree with this opinion most people seem to have here.

[–]bmiller71991 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

Crap entire game and in the end the difference , I'd hate to be a manager ...

[–]Pog6ack -3ポイント-2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Use him as an impact sub. Easy compromise.

[–]IwanJones10Pogba 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

He won't have a good impact as a sub if he needs 60 mins to get into the game

[–]Pog6ack -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He doesn't get better as the game goes along, there's just more space to operate in. Even at his peak he was a space exploiter. Impact sub is the perfect role for him.

[–]youknowmyyysteezRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

do you not listen he builds as the game goes on. it's always been that way. that's not a role he can play.

[–]moodyswinger -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thissssssssssssss........please Josè

[–]SokkerboiMemphis 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

He looks good. One for the future.

[–]scirocco389Martial 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

But he was creating chances this game

  • great freekick to set up zlatans backheel attempt
  • well slid in-ball to pogba on the right in the second half
  • inches wide volley
  • of course, the brilliant play at the end

I get that he doesn't have the same pace or ball control he used to, but he created an awful lot for us.

[–]Oblivion2510The a 45ポイント46ポイント  (21子コメント)

Shit 90 minute performances though

[–]mu_37 19ポイント20ポイント  (9子コメント)

let's not take away anything from that great assist,but the difference between him and mhki is just too much to ignore imo.

[–]cookie1254Rafael 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

Exactly. Rooney hasn't been that bad but he certainly hasn't been good enough to keep someone of Mkhitaryan's quality on the bench.

[–]TudoorsScholes 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Mkhitaryan is a right winger. He goes in for Mata.

[–]TomKellJose Mourinho 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Mata is an attacking midfielder, he goes in for Rooney.

[–]K-rock7Pogba 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mata hasn't been played as an attacking midfielder under Mourinho and LVG both. He's too weak there and isn't good enough at tracking back (to cover for a DM), which is what Rooney has always been great at.

[–]TomKellJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mata has been playing AM for the last few games, he always drifts into there and leaves Valencia to do all the work on the right wing. While at AM he was much better than Rooney.

[–]TudoorsScholes 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Rooney's outperformed him.

[–]TomKellJose Mourinho -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

He absolutely did not.

[–]TudoorsScholes 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

His 3 goals created really put Mata's 1 to shame. In this case, stats are everything.

[–]TomKellJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mata played better than Rooney. Are you blind or just stupid? Because it's pretty fucking easy to see.

[–]ZxentixZSolskjaer has won it! 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Abseloutley. He keeps having poor 90 min games and saves his place in the team by doing a couple of class moves every game. If we started someone else we might have had the game in the bag a long time ago and wouldn't even need a last minute goal to save the day. Fair play to Rooney for what he did, nice assist but that doesn't make up for his poor performances all around.

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly this, I don't see why it's too hard for people to understand.

[–]Lawlietttt 3ポイント4ポイント  (8子コメント)

If by that you mean shit 25 min opener to the game then sure.

Also, Zlatan, Mata and Martial were all worse than him. But it seems like this sub doesn't hate them as much as they hate Rooney lol.

Edit: Plus he'd have an additional 2 asssits if Zlatan and Martial were on form this game

[–]MrMahonyHerrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Over the last 4 games they weren't worse than him by any means though.

[–]kjabs87 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Martial has been over the 4 games. The others no.

[–]Lawlietttt -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wasn't talking about the last 4 games (although I think Martial has been worse than him if you're going that far back).

I want to know what Zlatan, Mata and Martial did better than him this game to impress you guys. I'm so confused.

  • Zlatan just took awful touches and botched chances all game. Didn't hold up the ball well either.

  • Martial just did whatever hes been doing for the past few games. It's strange to see him playing poorly. But he can't seem to pick a pass or consistently beat a man.

  • Mata was just absent. He popped up with that great piece of skill in the box where he did a stepover and sent the defender the wrong way. But apart from that, it was poor performance as a winger. I can understand why Jose preferred playing Lingard there in preseason now.

[–]ohhh_maaanDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

All players have off days. Every week, someone defends Rooney says, "he wasn't the worst player on the pitch, why is he the only one being called out?" Every week! The other "bad player" on the pitch may change, but Rooney is almost always a constant participant.

Consider the opportunity cost. Zlatan is the best player in our team at his position currently. Every player has off days. So that's fine. Martial hasn't been on point, sure, especially today, but in that position, he performs better than Memphis, or any other options we have (Rashford is currently making a case for hiimself though). Mata isn't a winger and is pretty much playing like a number 10, and is running into Rooney position-wise. He isn't best player for RW, but put a pin on that for a sec. Lets talk about Rooney. Is he the best player in our team for that position? Definitely not. Mata plays better there. Mkhi plays better there. Bringing us back to RW, with Mata at 10, and Mkhi at RW, we definitely have a better team (on paper), than with Rooney shoe-horned in there.

[–]Lawlietttt 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"he wasn't the worst player on the pitch, why is he the only one being called out?" Every week! The other "bad player" on the pitch may change, but Rooney is almost always a constant participant.

This seems to be the crux of your argument. But I'm not saying "he was bad but others were worse!". I'm saying he had a poor 25 mins at the start. Especially when he gave the ball away 3 times in a row. Then he put in a good performance. Implying I don't think he was bad overall at all. Meanwhile there are people who were actually bad for all 90 mins receiving no criticism.

Mata plays better there. Mkhi plays better there. Bringing us back to RW, with Mata at 10,

And I disagree with this too. Mata recieves the reverse Rooney treatment. We recall the great things he's done there and block out the awful. You said yourself that he "essentially played CAM". So what did you make of his CAM performance? Because he definitely wasn't playing as a RW. Why do you think LVG had to switch him from CAM to "RW" in the first place? Why do you think there were occasions last year where he last his place in the team to Lingard? He's so consistently "just below average" at CAM that no one notices anymore.

Mhki is someone who in better circumstances, should play over Rooney at CAM. But as it stands, it's more important to upgrade from Mata to Mhki at RW than it is to upgrade Rooney to Mhki at CAM/CF. Mou sees them in training multiple times a week and thinks that too. Hence why Mkhi has always came on to play on the wings.

[–]ohhh_maaanDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I think it would be better to just switch to 433. I feel the only reason we are playing our current set up is to include Rooney in it. We both agree, Mkhi should fill in over Mata at RW. We disagree on who should play the 10 role. But with what I personally consider sub-standard performances from Rooney (you may not think they were bad, but I thought they were), a 3 mid team would play better.

Our team really should be building around Pogba, and not forcing Rooney in the team. Anyway, that's a different argument.

[–]Oblivion2510The a 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Zlatan Yes. Martial maybe. Mata no. Also he was terrible to average for the entire game

[–]Lawlietttt 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just going to agree to disagree. This is a typical case of people only recollecting bad things he did in the game to justify their pre-match opinions on his place lol. To say he was shit for 90 mins is bs imo.

I thought he was significantly better than all 3. Especially Mata who kept cutting into the middle and overcrowding everything. Valencia was essentially our entire right flank until Mata got taken off.

[–]shy247erDe Gea 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's true and he got us a win today but if he was benched for Miki would we get that win earlier on?

[–]shinkag 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shit for 90% of the game then chips in with an assist/goal. Rubbish.

[–]dkkoooGiggs 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you. This hostile vibe from people shitting on Rooney when we are fucking winning, with Rooney contributing enormously is a joke. It needs to stop and we should support our players and Mou's choice.. He clearly knows what he doing. Rooney played well second half, I don't get why he's being singled out. Embarrassing tbh

[–]grad14uc 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Had a really rough first half. Seems like he's having trouble whenever he's closed down quickly or has his back to goal but I think he's showing that he can still be dangerous around the box with the shots he's taking and positions he's finding himself in.

It's worth pointing out that both he and Mata were struggling a lot in the first half and as soon as Mata was substituted, we really stepped up our game. It was an attacking onslaught from then on. Might suggest that a lot of the frustration expressed here was probably misplaced.

[–]lutekeDe Gea -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

this sub isnt that bright that is why, when one person sees a trend they just follow it blindly

[–]JirachiJirachiOHH YESSSSS 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney is the Mata of 2015/16.

[–]Klzrdz 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Remember the name

[–]ohhh_maaanDe Gea 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

Chelsea scored 3 today. Man City scored 4 last weekend. With the crop of players we have, we could possibly be creating many more chances and scoring more goals if a better creative player took his place. Yes, he is able to produce momentary moments of brilliance, but we need more than 90mins of shit, and then a couple minutes of good play. He wasn't as shit in the 2nd half, but the point remains.

[–]Avenged_KnotMagic Mike 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah but we scored 3 when Rooney started against Bournemouth. What's your point?

[–]mhaydarStill hoping for Anderson to come good 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point is giving someone else a chance at #10 may lead to even more chances and goals.

It also may not but at least we'll have tried

[–]ohhh_maaanDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

My point is the number of opportunities created. We may get lucky and score more from fewer opportunities. But if we want to constantly score more goals, we need more creativity to push our attack and create more clear cut chances. Am not talking about shots on goal. We had lots of shots on goal. Any team can have lots of shots on goal.

But how many clear cut chances did we have? How many more would we have if Rooney wouldn't stifle the attack phase in a couple of instances. How many more would we have if it was Mkhi driving the ball forward as he was doing when he came on?

[–]Avenged_KnotMagic Mike 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can't possibly say we would have created more chances with any certainty. How could you possibly know? Mkhi looked good for the 15 minutes he was on, but how can we know how good he would have been from the start? You're talking in hypotheticals. The facts are we've played three, won three and Rooney has contributed in all three. Obviously we should try Mkhi at some point but Rooney has justified his place in the team so far.

[–]ohhh_maaanDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't believe Rooney's performances justifies his place on the team over Mkhi. You believe otherwise. A fundamental difference that cannot be settled with an argument on the internet. At the end of the day, we both want the team to play well. Lets agree on that, and hope that whoever plays performs well.

[–]arnava17 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a reason managers trust him. And he repays their trust again and again.

[–]Slyman180Herrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Love his heart but Mkhitaryan seems to offer a lot more going forward.

[–]ataniris 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why's he taking corners though? I get that Mata was taken off but surely someone else could have taken them. With fellaini, ibra, and pogba in the box he hit a hull defender every single time.

[–]SoccergoddSmalling 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Looking at these comments makes me sick, just be happy you're not the manager. I think I'm happy starting him if he gets us the results whatever, don't fix what isn't broke....this fucking sub though sometimes smh...

[–]quwaver 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said, Zlatan has scored goals but hasn't been in the games we have played but no one complains about him, unfair to Rooney tbh

[–]retisense 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

All the while playing like ass, too.

[–]Eureferendumwatch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney has not been world class (for a while now) but he's done ok this season. More than that, he's done ok whilst providing the goods.

Have a bit of class, put your reservations aside for a while, see how it goes and give fucking credit where it's due.

Rooney hating is like a religion. No compromise whatsoever. What's worse is that anybody who says, hang on, Rooney has been ok is accused if believing that he's world class or something. You're all a bit nutty and need to take a look at yourselves.

[–]Bilaaltelli[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The past assisting the future. Can't make it up

[–]ireallyamsomethingRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is everyone saying Mkhi should start in his place? After lacking a proper player to play in the RW, we bought him and now they want Mata to continue there, even though he hasn't been anything special. It's rather toxic that even after contributing (with average performances with inspired moments) positively there's so much negativity about Rooney.

[–]C-doc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't really care what the stats say.

He should be absolutely nowhere near the starting line up next week.

Despite the assist it was barely a 5/10 performance.

[–]TimmyBashSchweinsteiger -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He had a poor first half hour but lifted after that.