Survey: Germans want a burqa ban

reganomics · 7時間前

i have always been fascinated with the concept of burqas. its like men telling women, "we are unable to control our own actions and treat you like a human being, so you must cover up so that i dont become tempted and rape you".

mmaBorat · 11時間前

Burqa is the one that makes it impossible to identify the person inside, isn't it?

Totally reasonable to ban masks in general, for security reasons.

IgotAnEvilNut · 12時間前

Mandatory leiderhosen for all!

meandmetwo · 4時間前

I am sure that if men started wearing them and gangs started using them as cover they would soon be banned. I find it crazy when a person can hide behind a mask in public all the time, As a victim of theft by a group of muslim women i will always be wary around anyone wearing something that completely covers any way to identify them.

Oznog99 · 8時間前

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10438195/The-runaway-terrorist-his-burka-disguise-and-a-compensation-bid.html

Terror suspect cut off his ankle monitor, put on a burqa, and left using his sister's passport. Effectively defeating all border controls, and even basic policing. If there was a policeman standing guard outside his building and was alerted immediately when his anklet was cut off, he probably couldn't stop someone in a burqa just on that theory. If you didn't see any problem stopping anyone in a burqa, it would probably be an unrelated female you stopped and he'd just walk by that scene.

Of course in the real world you'd not likely be alerted to the immediate problem while only tens of feet away. You'd potentially have to stop and somehow identify everyone in the city in a burqa, which simply wouldn't happen and probably wouldn't work anyhow.

Doesn't need to be a terror suspect, for that matter. Everyday criminal, male or female, can commit crimes or just avoid tracking/arrest almost indefinitely. People who wear the totally concealing versions of hijab of sincere belief aren't the bad actors, but they create an environment where the bad actors are free to operate with impunity.

philosphrstone · 3時間前

What a surprise... another western country is tired of being invaded by people who will remain segregated in the cities and cling to their shitty medieval religion. News flash... the people of every western nation are tired of this trend. Here in Canada, we swear in new citizens with their face covered, and also let people vote with a ski mask on. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/10/16/gail-thorne-niqab-ban_n_8288298.html

notboring · 3時間前

Most of the Earth wants a burqa ban.

tallandlanky · 12時間前

If that is what the German people want, good. Immigrants should assimilate, not the other way around.

itsonlyastrongbuzz · 11時間前

Women, regardless of religion, must cover up in some Muslim countries.

What's the difference in saying "You can't cover up" here? Isn't it just respecting the local culture?

Doesn't make sense to have it both ways.

The same person who'd say"Don't be insensitive, cover your head to assimilate into their culture, you're the guest here..." over there says this here: "Don't be insensitive, they can do what they want, they're guests here..."

Miffers · 1時間前

Walking my 1st grader to school, my son asked me why a lady was dressed like a ninja. I didn't know what to say.

ChucksMuscleGut · 36分前

Fuck everything it represents. Hey let's cover up the women from head to toe because we're insecure, tiny dicked zealots. It's not OK to walk around without being able to be identified. It's also not fair to Germans that decided to raise their daughters in a civilized culture that holds men responsible for their actions. If you want the old ways, the old line of thinking, and the old rules, go back to the old fucking country. 21st century humans have no need for such asinine bullshit.

tangohunter8071 · 7時間前

Burqas, hijabs, and other modest body coverings have nothing to do with islam. They're man made rules that Allah never ordered anyone to partake in. Remove the burka free yourselves from that oppressive culture.

exmothrowaway1234 · 11時間前

I grew up in a cult where people are made to feel guilty and ashamed of their bodies, "modesty" is encouraged heavily for women and it contributes to this fear.

Ultimately people should be able to choose how much or how little they want to show, but people need to have certain freedoms from religion. If your religion tells you that you need to cover up from head to toe you are a slave to that religion.

If it weren't for the presence and tolerance of other faiths, I would not have got out (would have clinged even more). But a line needs to be drawn at some point, the burqa is subjugation and is more than just symbolic oppression of women. Wear your headscarfs and whatever, but fuck off back to where you came from if you want to treat your wife or daughter like a piece of property and not a whole person.

all4reddit · 3時間前

If adults want to wear the burqa, they should live in a country where it is welcomed.

allzehkittiez · 6時間前

Good, if you're going to live in another culture you should adapt to the new environment, not force your views on others.

LAST1butthenmore · 2時間前

This one is reasonable. This one doesn't infringe on citizens' rights more than necessary to ensure the safety of all.

IMPatrickH · 12時間前

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Gendoyle · 11時間前

Who wouldn't want to Burqa ban - it looks uncomfortable and hot... but its not my choice to make.

Mr_Flappy · 12時間前

looks like Germans don't take kindly to foreign cultures being pressured on them

PhilKelix · 2時間前

Good. Burn this oppressive filth

fluffywinston · 31分前

As a woman who sees this in Canada, it's disturbing, uncomfortable and offensive. But personal feelings aside it's a huge security risk. Unis in Toronto have problems with people wearing burqas get other people to take tests for them.

newloaf · 9時間前

There is no such thing as forced integration. Making up a bunch of shitty minutiae that Muslims are supposed to follow isn't going to do anything except isolate a sometimes isolated culture further. People have to be enticed and educated to integrate. Arbitrary punishment serves the exact opposite purpose.

captionquirk · 10時間前

Im pretty sure most women that are wearing burqas also want a burqa ban

jplevene · 4時間前

Fun fact, the burqa is not religious. It was first used by Jewish women in the Arabian peninsula to help prevent rape. It is not written in the Koran that women should wear one, it is to protect a man's property from other men seeing or sharing it.

I guess swinging is not big in the Islam community.

clickwir · 3時間前

America here, no burqa.

dsmith470 · 8時間前

And I hope they get it!

Tei3 · 10時間前

Grab some popcorn.

TheDarkAgniRises · 9時間前

As a muslim myself, I think that banning the burka=good. But banning the Hijab=Terrible.

Rafaeliki · 10時間前

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TheCommunistInt · 8時間前

It's been really hot the past couple of days in Europe, at least it has been where I am. Seeing these pictures of women of the beech wearing "burkinis" in the sweltering heat has made me think about just how punishing these things must be to wear. Not just burkinis, but burkas. Full body, face covered, eye slits. Not white and cool and made of cotton, but black and I think made of polyester.

Never mind about how burkas, to some, represent oppression of women. They seem to be deliberately designed to be fucking terrible to wear, especially in hot weather. I mean, think of women wearing this in Riyadh, where it can be over 50 degrees. There is no way on fucking earth that I will believe that a women could possible want to wear a burka unless a severe amount of threat has been used if they don't.

Tha_Dude_Abidez · 6時間前

Good for Germany! I hope they get that ban and then I hope the REST of the civilized world follow suit. I think most all of us are completely done with that bullshit religion.

Hexagonal_Bagel · 1時間前

Questions:

What if women, in line with choosing to wear the burka, also held a strong conviction for remaining uneducated for the sake of modesty? Even if she believed these were her own decision and there was no coercion, could society at large not still intervene? On a more moderate scale, what if large groups of Muslims refused to speak German and only spoke in Arabic, could other Germans not object to that?

Is Germany better to make limitations on personal freedoms (targeted at a minority population) or to maintain absolute freedom of expression for the sake of appealing to an ideal of liberty?

Can one culture be better than another or are all cultures relative, impervious to comparison? Is it necessarily wrong to limit a culture's influence if it can be reasonably argued that it is in fact detrimental? Will such limitations put us on a slippery slope, lessening the rights of other minorities?

Germany banned Scientology. How is that different from banning any other religion that doesn't have a historical basis in Germany?

My Perspective

I value freedom of religion, but I also see faith as an obviously invalid way of understanding the world and influencing our actions. I believe that some religions are objectively worse than others (the extreme pacifism of Jainism > the divisive in-group/out-group nature of Islam)

All religions need to adapt in order to be compatible with modern societies. This is the difference between moderates and fundamentalists. I would not insult a Christian for believing the idiocy of Noah's ark or thinking shrimp are an abomination or a belief in Creationism if that is not relevant to her specific belief structure. In turn I won't assume a Muslim believes Apostasy is crime and should be punishable by death (though there are 23 Muslim countries that have these laws were punishments range from death to imprisonment and it is a part of the Qur'an). When I see extreme displays of faith, such as the Burka, it is not unreasonable to suggest that those people's views may be more in line with the more intolerable side of their religion. The side of Islam that is authoritarian in nature and in practice is anti-LGBT, anti-pluralist, anti-secularism, anti-women, possibly violent and in a great many ways rejects Western Values.

To what degree should we tolerate the intolerant?

I will accept moderate Islam in my community, despite its many failings, which it shares with all other religions. I despise extremism and don't want it to sew its roots anywhere. The hijab doesn't bother me, but the burka is a clear expression of gendered inequality and oppression. I have love for the people, contempt for their ideology and a belief that we all deserve liberty in our pursuit of happiness.

dkyguy1995 · 10時間前

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ImitationsHabit · 9時間前

"Americans are so intolerant! I can't believe xenophobes like trump could be a major party candidate! Now how do we force the Muslims out of our country!"

fuccdemfags · 7時間前

your country, your rules

they should know that before trying to impose their shit culture in europe

But it's all good. Soon we'll march again.

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ITS_MAJOR_TOM_YO · 1時間前

Society has a right to demand you show your face.

Dixon_Butte · 45分前

The world is starting to move in the right direction.

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