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[–]MyShitsFuckedDown3Libertarian Marxism[M] [score hidden] - stickied comment (0 children)
This post has been locked due to an influx of trolls from /r/all.
[–]knowwhatimzayin 211 points212 points213 points  (8 children)
Long time lurker. I have personally had to deal with this BS just over the past couple of months. I have a life-threatening peanut allergy, and as I was used to purchasing EpiPens for about $50-$70 for two every couple of years, imagine my surprise when the pharmacy told me they would be $600 for two.
Thankfully, by applying 10-20 coupons from different random hard-to-find websites, I was able to get another brand of epinephrine (just as good) for around $100.
It's incredibly sad, however, that many people unknowingly are just accepting this irrationally high price for such a simple device. What makes it so much more disgusting is the feeling of helplessness I, and many others, receive when you feel as though your life is too expensive to maintain. And for many, insurance doesn't cover these costs.
Never did government regulation feel so necessary and real...
[–]slurp_derp2 70 points71 points72 points  (6 children)
One would hope that there would as much outrage as the Martin Shkreli scandal...
[–]knowwhatimzayin 46 points47 points48 points  (2 children)
What's funny is that as soon as I heard the price of the EpiPens from the pharmacist, his face "popped" up in my head.
Scumbags, scumbags everywhere.
[–]itstrueimwhite 24 points25 points26 points  (1 child)
/u/martinshkreli was defending her on Twitter yesterday
[–]ALargeRock 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
Totally surprised /s
[–]745_Gucci_Interior comment score below threshold-13 points-12 points-11 points  (1 child)
I know nothing about this case but the Martin Shkreli thing was completely overblown. He has a video on YouTube where he explains to someone with HIV about what he really did and the guy ends up agreeing pretty quickly.
I was amazed by how comically evil this guy was to everybody and how an 18 minute video was enough to burst that bubble.
[–]Zehardtruth 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
The road to hell is paved with good intentions?
[–]ElectricBlumpkin 32 points33 points34 points  (0 children)
"Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it."
I can't see any way in which this could possibly go wrong.
[–]KawaiiAssChat shit get banged 👌🏼 191 points192 points193 points  (6 children)
BUT BUT SHE WORKED HARS SHE LIFTED HERSELF UP!!!
BOOOOTTTTSSSSTTRRAAAAPPPS
[–]Abandonized 25 points26 points27 points  (1 child)
Just lift... A little.... Harder...
[–]PathogenVirdae 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
Hey, she ALMOST finished enough classes to get a masters, cut her some slack! /s
[–]takesthebiscuit 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
The unemployed would be wise to seek jobs as captains of industry, rather than settle for meagre entry level wages.
KenM
[–]jld2k6 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
She pulled herself up by her "signature designer 5 inch Stilettos" according to the article.
[–]Sir_CuitrySolidarity with All Oppressed Peoples 106 points107 points108 points  (2 children)
But without $19 million salaries how will we have #innovation to #disrupt longstanding existing still-useful life-saving products?
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    [–]Sir_CuitrySolidarity with All Oppressed Peoples 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
    one of my favorite facebook pages!
    [–]Cyclone_1Anarcho-Communist | Sociologist 324 points325 points326 points  (113 children)
    Yesterday, in speaking with a couple of my Liberal friends, I couldn't resist being smug about the fact that this woman is the daughter of a Democratic Senator who is endorsing Hillary Clinton.
    [–]meeeeetch 86 points87 points88 points  (8 children)
    The MBA she received in 2007 has its own Wikipedia entry.
    [–]thewanderingent 40 points41 points42 points  (1 child)
    "received"
    [–]Deucer22 33 points34 points35 points  (0 children)
    Received is correct. It's "earned" that should get the quotation marks.
    [–]6sicksticks 31 points32 points33 points  (5 children)
    from the original article.
    The most scandalous incident occurred in 2008 shortly after she was named the company's chief executive and involved the master's degree in business administration from West Virginia University that was listed on her resume. It turns out she never got it. An investigation by the school, prompted by a newspaper report, found that some administrators had added courses and grades to her transcript to make it look as if she had completed the required coursework.
    The controversy blew over quickly for Bresch, and she remained chief executive, but Garrison and a slew of other administrators resigned from their positions following expressions of no confidence from students, faculty and alumni.
    [–]Glassclose 19 points20 points21 points  (1 child)
    Wow... lie about not having your G.E.D. and you get fired on the spot and walked out the building like a criminal. Lie about having a master's degree, stay chief executive and make millions.
    [–]guy15s 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
    So, does the degree still count? I'm reading through it and the administrators seem to have gotten their just desserts, but I don't see anything about her degree actually getting deligitimized.
    Just because this sounds kinda like a defense for her, I'll clarify that I don't think her degree should be considered legitimate.
    [–]6sicksticks 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
    I would assume it doesn't since it wasn't actually earned. I don't see it explicitly stating it was delegitimized but maybe the author assumes it's a given. I'm not sure.
    [–]jeffseadot 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
    I don't think the status of her degree matters anymore at this point. She's still employed as if it's legitimate, so whether or not it really is is now moot.
    [–]CinnamonJ 40 points41 points42 points  (2 children)
    The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
    [–]LiterallyAGoogolplex 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
    But that's just a lazy way to dismiss the seed.
    [–]TurnerJ5System Change 132 points133 points134 points  (79 children)
    And yet everyone in America is suddenly a fervent supporter of perhaps the most corrupt woman in American political history. The status quo is in danger, we must defeat Trump! Gag me.
    [–]SkeliathChe 204 points205 points206 points  (50 children)
    I think there are more people who would rather have "not Trump" than there are people who are actually pro-Hillary.
    [–]Orphan_ScriptAngela Davis 37 points38 points39 points  (0 children)
    This is one of the Democrat's greatest strengths: They aren't Republicans. They can coast elections on that alone, no matter what they do.
    [–]ArchCuratorGagarin 54 points55 points56 points  (46 children)
    This is me. I dislike Hillary. A lot. I dislike Trump way more than her.
    Remember when American Elections weren't a contest to see who sucks less?
    [–]brendonculous 225 points226 points227 points  (10 children)
    No
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      [–]Coglioni 24 points25 points26 points  (2 children)
      JFK was really shitty. He invaded Vietnam and was responsible for the Cuban missile crisis, which it's nothing short of a miracle that didn't end in the destruction of the world.
      [–]sealfoss 15 points16 points17 points  (0 children)
      I really think people view JFK with rose tinted glasses, due to the assassination.
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          [–]TurnerJ5System Change 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
          But if everyone is constantly up-in-arms about transgender bathroom privileges or legal weed the wholesale fraud can continue unimpeded.
          [–]NeedHelpWithExcel 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
          That's because we have a corporate controlled media that blows these things way out of proportion.
          You're trying to watch the Simpsons and then a commercial comes up for the nightly news "ARE TRANSGENDERED TAKING OVER YOUR BATHROOM?? TUNE IN AT 11"
          On a side note, I think that legal weed is actually a valid issue. It's a medicine for a lot of people.
          [–]ThoctarDe Leon 44 points45 points46 points  (5 children)
          Yeah, I remember Eugene Debs.
          [–]lakelly99don't know where i fit between the vegans and the nihilists 23 points24 points25 points  (4 children)
          what was it like before colour was invented
          [–]orksnork 34 points35 points36 points  (2 children)
          It was a dreary time. Then the workers came together.
          And the first color was red.
          [–]SikletrynetSocialist with anarchist tendencies 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
          And black
          [–]ingo2020A world about to dawn 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
          The dark of ages past!
          [–]ThoctarDe Leon 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
          You had to rely on your sense of smell to tell if food was bad or not. Then again, everything was likely to kill you anyway back when men were men and before Upton Sinclair.
          [–]EmperorXenuEbil Tankie 11 points12 points13 points  (0 children)
          Bourgeois "democracy" is farcical and only serves the Bourgeoisie on any significant timescale.
          [–]TurquoiseWraithTrotskyist 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
          Where elections ever about voting for someone who actually represented us?
          [–]Assyrian_War_DemonThe people's flag is deepest red 12 points13 points14 points  (0 children)
          Never happened
          [–]TissueBoxesOfFun 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
          Nope.
          [–]TheNoize 19 points20 points21 points  (0 children)
          When Bernie was still running? Yeah
          [–]guy15s 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
          Just remember, both of them are propped up images. I hate Trump more as well, but I can't be positive which one is actually worse.
          It's like trying to figure out whether you'd rather party with the loud, obnoxious dude with a beer bong hat or the rich gossip queen. Both really just suck and, while I would instantly be repulsed by the appearance of one of the two, both have about the same chance of ruining the party and making you play damage control afterwards.
          [–]EchoRadius 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
          Vote third party. Voting for the slightly less sucky person just perpetuates this problem.
          [–]nvolker -2 points-1 points0 points  (8 children)
          First-past-the-post voting makes voting third party a wasted vote.
          What we really need is some kind of ranked-choice voting system.
          [–]EchoRadius -1 points0 points1 point  (7 children)
          How is it 'wasted'? It doesn't even make sense.
          [–]AG4WGagarin 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
          CGP Grey does a great job explaining the issues with FPTP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo
          tl:dr, there's mathematical evidence in favor of FPTP always gravitating towards biparty systems.
          [–]nvolker comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (5 children)
          If you vote for someone who has no chance of winning, it's essentially like not voting at all.
          [–]EchoRadius 4 points5 points6 points  (4 children)
          So, it's not wasted. Its counted.
          [–]nvolker -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
          Counted, but has no effect on the result of the election. You could write in Micky Mouse, and that vote would be counted too.
          [–]Syawla_ -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
          It truly is the lesser of two evils.
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            [–]TreyJSolidarity with all oppressed sentient beings! 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
            Both parties are fucked up, yes, but let's not replace it with the LOL NO SCHOOLS OR CIVIL RIGHTS party.
            [–]cliffotn 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
            Libertarians lose me hard with their stance on building codes, as in they feel there shouldn't be any. Their stance is the free market will take the place of government enforced building codes, and litigation will protect homeowners. What a stupid, 100% bullshit proposal.
            Living in Florida, during the last big home building boom we had enough of an issue keeping new builders in line. Can you imagine if builders could build anything, with zero government oversight? "They'll be sued!" says the Libetarian. Ok, so what happens when ACME Scumbag Builders builds 5,000 homes in a hurry, that have faulty wiring, toxic drywall, and let in so much Florida humidity that in a few years time they all have black mold? "Sue!" say the Libertarians. But, who do you sue when ACME Scumbag Builders has closed its doors, and their owners, have moved out of the country? Or, if they're still in the US, when the lawsuits start to hit and after just 5% of the cases have been settled, the company goes belly up? So now you have thousands of home owners with homes that cost $150k-$300k, but are not literally worth less than a bare lot?
            [–]TreyJSolidarity with all oppressed sentient beings! 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
            Yeah, that already happens in our current system, it would be absurd to think that less control will result in benefits for the consumer. I can't take libertarians and an caps seriously.
            [–]bluefisch200 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
            Answers are either a or b:
            a) Haha, good joke...please write that /s next time
            b) You remember that you are in r/socialism?
            [–]SoraXavier 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
            Maybe the "party's" was supposed to be "parties /s" but I'm not an expert
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              [–]bluefisch200 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              It could also NOT be Johnson...because he is a lot of those things we usually really dislike...
              That doesn't mean you have to go Dem or Republican. It just means you can also skip the third unelectable option...if anything go Stein...
              [–]quaxon 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
              I used to feel this way too, but getting instantly downvoted whenever I say anything anti-Hillary in places like enoughtrumpspam with replies saying she is the 'greatest, most progressive candidate we've ever had' has really changed my mind.
              [–]Trodamus 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
              I despite Hillary.
              However, I shudder to think of how the next few decades of American policy would suffer if Donald Trump were to nominate the 2-3 supreme court justices people are forecasting to die or retire (or have already died).
              [–]sumoboi 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
              Not sure where you live but in my area I haven't met more than 3 Hilary supporters. And the ones who do just really hate trump.
              [–]Jeep-EepDemocratic Socialism, Technoskeptical Anti-Eugenicism. 7 points8 points9 points  (20 children)
              To be fair, she's better than trump, but that's damnation with faint praise of the highest order. I grunt out things that would be a better pres than trump into the toilet.
              [–]TurnerJ5System Change 17 points18 points19 points  (18 children)
              Mitt Romney would handily beat Hillary Clinton. Terrifying to contemplate but true. Trump is a plant, in one way or another; a plant to insure the dynasty continues and Clinton wealth continues to soar.
              [–]Jeep-EepDemocratic Socialism, Technoskeptical Anti-Eugenicism. 42 points43 points44 points  (14 children)
              You're implying enemy action when incompetence is far more likely.
              [–]TurnerJ5System Change 12 points13 points14 points  (13 children)
              Highly possible. I was of the 'Trump's a plant/reverse Manchurian Candidate' opinion for months now...when these articles [1] [2] released I felt they lent a bit of credence.
              [–]NtnlBrotherhoodWkHarvey - "It's fucking stupid" 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
              I think it was maybe one of many Clinton tactics. Like Bill planting the seed with some statement like "you could give a voice to these people if you ran" then letting Trump's ego do the rest. I'm not sure whether they could've predicted it would go this far though.
              [–]StoicGentleman 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
              Pshaw! Like Trump cares about giving a voice to the people. Here is what Billy-goat Cliton actually said
              "Donald, you know what would be awesome? Running for president this time. You're up against losers and babies, low energy, no respect! Ted Cruz? Chump! Marco Rubio? Boy! Jeb? His name is fucking Jeb! Get Trump out there, you'll be winning! Everyone will talk about only you! Your name in big letters all over every screen in America! What have you got to lose?"
              [–]Jeep-EepDemocratic Socialism, Technoskeptical Anti-Eugenicism. -3 points-2 points-1 points  (10 children)
              If it is true - which is probably not, given trump's behavior before this point - then Clinton is slimier and stupider than I though, especially as their monster has broke it's leash.
              [–]TurnerJ5System Change 15 points16 points17 points  (9 children)
              On the contrary I think Frankensteins Monster, in this situation, did precisely what he was told to do. Became a fiery hateful demagogue, whipped up support among all the closeted (and non-closeted) bigots racists and homophobes, and then took his dive in the 4th round with all the asinine "missteps" - like attacking the family of an American veteran, for example - he's been taking recently. All Hill has to do is react mildly to the hyperbolic diarrhea he spews and she comes up looking like absolute roses.
              [–]prismjism 16 points17 points18 points  (0 children)
              All Hill has to do is react mildly to the hyperbolic diarrhea he spews and she comes up looking like absolute roses.
              That and continue to avoid press conferences like the plague. She hasn't held one in over 260 days.
              [–]Jeep-EepDemocratic Socialism, Technoskeptical Anti-Eugenicism. 10 points11 points12 points  (7 children)
              Trouble is, it's a fairly winning strategy so far, and she's setting herself up to lose to a competent version come 2020.
              [–]TurnerJ5System Change 10 points11 points12 points  (6 children)
              Although she's successfully stealing this election I just can't see Hillary winning in 2020, one way or another.
              Praying for Assange to come through.
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                [–]TurnerJ5System Change 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                The GOP's ineptitude is serendipitous, douchebag grammar Nazi.
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                  [–]Orphan_ScriptAngela Davis 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                  Holding your candidate against an impossibly low standard like Trump doesn't inspire confidence. Do you have anything better than 'she isn't Trump'?
                  [–]MrRumfoord 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
                  Is it not possible for them both to be shitty human beings?
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                    [–]TheIdeologyItBurnsDebs 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                    Well I don't have to want her to be, she's accomplished that perfectly well on her own
                    [–]fox-in-the-snow 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
                    Why do Hillary supporters keep insisting that Trump's bullshit negates Clinton's bullshit? They are both terrible people in their own special ways. Neither of them is trusted or liked by the American people, and neither should be president.
                    [–]scoflaw_zhuxi 11 points12 points13 points  (1 child)
                    Yeahhh, it's really upsetting to see our "progressive" candidate Hillary Clinton making some lukewarm statement about how this type of cronyism is something she will fight if she becomes president. How can we trust Democrats to further leftist causes when she and her Democratic colleagues directly benefit from exploiting the poor?
                    [–]SoraXavier 9 points10 points11 points  (0 children)
                    I don't think anyone's ever honestly called her a progressive and meant it
                    [–]tchoob 10 points11 points12 points  (8 children)
                    Maybe you and I have different definitions of "liberal" but I would never call someone who likes Hillary Clinton one.
                    The Democratic Party hasn't been the liberal party for years.
                    [–]Cyclone_1Anarcho-Communist | Sociologist 5 points6 points7 points  (6 children)
                    Liberals - seek reform and "tweaks" to capitalism.
                    Leftists - seek to move beyond capitalism entirely.
                    The Democratic Party on it's best day is the Liberal party and many of their voters, in many respects, are quite Liberal. It's one of the many things about the party to detest.
                    [–]mimpatchaAnd Rosa's love child 1 point2 points3 points  (4 children)
                    What do you call someone who advocates for removal by reform?
                    [–]mimpatchaAnd Rosa's love child 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
                    I don't know if you posted that because you noticed my flair+text combo or if it was a serious reply. Or both perhaps?
                    [–]dpekkle 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                    Sorry it was serious, I haven't done much formal reading on the topic so your question prompted me to search out an answer.
                    [–]mimpatchaAnd Rosa's love child 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                    Oh that's awesome! Reform or revolution is a great text, the one that got me interested in the real left to begin with. Evolutionary socialism by Bernstien is great too hence my flair/text combo. I have a lot of internal debates.
                    [–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                    Liberalism is a center-right movement stemming from Enlightenment-era thinking (most notably that of Locke) which has a worldview built around the property rights of sovereign atomized individuals, as well as a set of other rights which can be disproportionately exercised by those which hold property rights.
                    Both Republicans and Democrats are mostly liberals.
                    [–]Iupin86 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    He's a democrat pretty much in name only. He is staunchly pro 2nd amendment, wants to "eradicate" marijuana plants statewide, is anti-EPA and pro-coal, wants no regulation on greenhouse gas, he is vigorously pro-Israel. the list goes on and on.
                    [–]panzybear comment score below threshold-27 points-26 points-25 points  (7 children)
                    ...and...?
                    [–]drewtheoverlordL I B E R T A R I A N S O C I A L I S M 37 points38 points39 points  (1 child)
                    It's another case of there being a ruling class in the US.
                    [–]gingerborealis -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
                    This whole things sounds a little bit like "three generation punishment" to me. I have no sympathy for this woman, but I fail to see how blaming her father isn't some totalitarian fascist tactic.
                    [–]Cyclone_1Anarcho-Communist | Sociologist 18 points19 points20 points  (4 children)
                    And what? They had nothing really to say for it other than Hillary is trying to build a coalition of "all kinds of people" and surely that kind of behavior from this CEO is not indicitve of Hillary Clinton's past actions or potential future behavior.
                    All of which I find either to be completely laughable, revisionist or flat out wrong.
                    [–]panzybear comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (3 children)
                    Yeesh, I was really just looking for, you know...actual discussion instead of assuming Hillary's perceived proximity to anyone problematic equates to her guilt as some capitalist monarch.
                    I always find it more interesting to hear someone's actual argument instead of stating facts that they assume speak for themselves. That's all. When you state a fact that implies someone's guilt, you don't actually say anything. You make other people say what they believe about that fact in their own heads in response to the fact. It's the type of thing that contributes to a lack of individualized thinking.
                    I'm more interested in hearing your individual reaction to that fact, not the fact itself.
                    [–]Cyclone_1Anarcho-Communist | Sociologist 20 points21 points22 points  (2 children)
                    actual discussion instead of assuming Hillary's perceived proximity to anyone problematic equates to her guilt as some capitalist monarch.
                    You're kidding yourself if you think she isn't some kind of capitalist monarch, first and foremost, and the outrage that Democrats or Liberals might express from this EpiPen story is superficial at best. The party they are a part of and/or support helps create and reinforce an environment and economic model that would allow something like this to happen in the first place.
                    [–]MrRumfoord 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                    "No really baby, I'm not a capitalist monarch, I just tripped and landed on all these millions of dollars!"
                    [–]panzybear -5 points-4 points-3 points  (0 children)
                    I never said she wasn't. What I'm saying is I oppose the statement of facts as conclusions unto themselves and simply find it more interests when people elaborate on the significance they produce from those facts. It makes for much more interesting discussion.
                    I don't recall making a claim one way or the other.
                    [–]DonnieNarcoCastro 38 points39 points40 points  (6 children)
                    How much does a guillotine cost?
                    [–]ghastly1302Anarchy is Order 18 points19 points20 points  (3 children)
                    1200 bucks. Materials and labor.
                    [–]YouAndMeToo 13 points14 points15 points  (1 child)
                    I'll do it pro bono
                    [–]load_more_comets 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                    I'll be your project manager.
                    [–]Bond4141 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                    I'll do it for free.
                    [–]quantumturnip -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
                    That'd be too good for her. I say we do a good old fashioned lynching.
                    [–]hryyVaporwave 28 points29 points30 points  (0 children)
                    See guys! Diversifying the ruling class does work! /s
                    [–]Octo-puss 20 points21 points22 points  (0 children)
                    I'm sure it'll trickle down, right?
                    [–]Dingostarrz 7 points8 points9 points  (1 child)
                    She's running a "business"- that owns the rights to sell an existing life saving drug to a consumers and are guaranteed payment by the government at whatever price. Guvment can't be negotiatin with drug lords
                    [–]TheEssexian[S] 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                    Drug lords. Exactly!
                    [–]dipakkk 18 points19 points20 points  (1 child)
                    And people will still blame "greedy CEOs" instead of capitalism
                    [–]k-trecker 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                    But hey, it's the best system we've got
                    [–]watrenusmrt fašizmu, sloboda narodu! 39 points40 points41 points  (2 children)
                    [–]Exuberant_Murica -20 points-19 points-18 points  (1 child)
                    Yeah, cause fuck people like /u/knowwhatimzayin huh? I should expect you to be a Navy Seal as well because you know, equality n shit. Fuck outta here
                    [–]watrenusmrt fašizmu, sloboda narodu! 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
                    ?
                    [–]TimidTortoise88 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                    How people can live with themselves after pulling shit like this is beyond me. If there's a hell then she's got a special spot reserved.
                    [–]angry_krausen 29 points30 points31 points  (8 children)
                    Why? Because Congress won't regulate the industry.
                    [–]BlechhotsauceMichel Foucault 91 points92 points93 points  (4 children)
                    Because capitalism rewards the elites while it punishes the workers.
                    [–]CADBP 23 points24 points25 points  (3 children)
                    That and also corruption in congress that feeds off of elite donations to the government prevents the government from properly regulating the industry
                    [–]orksnork 8 points9 points10 points  (2 children)
                    The federal government and industry are run and financed by the same oligarchs.
                    The corruption you speak of has been made legal, increasingly so in the recent past as more actions have been measured and tested against the law and beaten them soundly.
                    [–]CADBP -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
                    and that is why the United States is a corrupt piece of shit, there are other countries that are way better governed.
                    [–]orksnork 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
                    Well, the corrupt pieces of shit are. Unfortunately the corrupt have had and still have the power here and people are too nervous in the service because they fear someone dinging up their proto-bourgie lifestyle.
                    I've seen every state but Oregon. It's a wonderful land though and filled with a lot of great people.
                    They're used to leaders though and as such they follow.
                    We need more people working to change how we elect government, party or whatever organizational leaders and who we elect.
                    A small but determined group is often enough.
                    If nothing else the early success of Bernie 2016 shows that, given the option, the current population is willing to listen to reason.
                    I think there's more than enough people of the right mindset to push through serious reform in the next 4-8 years but that's contingent on finding a national voice, essentially incorruptible, that can rally everyone, as even labor is quick to run to the lesser evil.
                    [–]Curiousfur 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
                    "The Free Market will sort things out"
                    [–]scoflaw_zhuxi 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                    Epipens aren't a difficult product to produce and distribute. Why can't the government provide them at a price closer to the cost of production? Or if we don't want to go that far, just regulate the amount of profit a company can make as a percentage of the production cost.
                    [–]Yazkin_Yamakala 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
                    Welcome to capitalism and the free market system. Where prices are as high as corporations want them to be.
                    [–]lolzwinner 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                    But how will she put gas in her yacht? God people THINK about it!
                    [–]Bricka_Bracka 13 points14 points15 points  (18 children)
                    I'm genuinely curious as to the math - if her salary were reduced to $1 per year, and that difference were spread across all the epipens sold during a year, how much would it reduce the cost of each epipen?
                    I'm not trying to make a "gotcha dum socialists" comment, I'm genuinely curious. I'm not fond of capitalism. I just don't know that this is a helpful way to point out the flaws in the system, trying to prop up one individual as the sole reason for high prices.
                    This site shows 915,000 units sold in the 3rd quarter of 2013. I guess we can say 3.6 million for a year?
                    So, 19 million bucks, divided by 3.6 million epipens = $5.27. Five dollars and 27 cents. If her salary were cut and the savings passed onto each pen, their price could reduce by about $5...
                    That linked site indicates the sales figures are for the "two-pak" of epipens. Is that the only way to buy them? If you can buy individual ones I suppose it would cut the "salary-dollars per unit" figure in half, to like $2.63 or something.
                    Just some perspective - it's not this woman's salary that makes these pens cost too much. It's an awful lot more than just her salary. How about the rest of the company's salaries? Are there hidden kickback contracts in there somewhere that crony developers are being overpaid for services? Who knows.
                    Things which can potentially mean life or death for a person should not be subject to the capitalist system. Universal Healthcare should be capturing these costs. Leave capitalism for shit like My Little Pony figures.
                    [–]mk2vrdrvr 51 points52 points53 points  (2 children)
                    Her salary is just a drop in the bucket compared to the money the other board members and investors are making..She is just the face that people will be mad at until this story is forgotten about.
                    [–]Bricka_Bracka 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
                    That's my point. It's like the Shkreli thing all over again.
                    As if one person at the top can be representative of the flaws inherent in the system. They're just riding the wave - that wave is made of all the other cash grabbing mongrels in the chain.
                    [–]watrenusmrt fašizmu, sloboda narodu! 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                    namely, the shareholders
                    [–]tweggs 11 points12 points13 points  (7 children)
                    You're absolutely right.
                    On the flipside of that, is any one person really doing 19 million dollars worth of work? Would the work this one person does really take a thousand other full time workers working together to complete?
                    It's not that she's personally responsible; but that her benefits increased 671 percent over the last 8 years are emblematic of the cronyism.
                    [–]Bricka_Bracka -1 points0 points1 point  (6 children)
                    Well, quantifying one person's impact is pretty subjective from outside perspectives, but I'm sure there's a way for the internal accounting at a given company can justify that payscale.
                    If changing out the president is somehow capable of inflicting untold economic damage on our country, then surely on a micro level one individual's contribution to their company can be similarly large.
                    The problem isn't with paying her this much within a capitalist system...it's with such an inelastic demand being exploited for profit.
                    The very concept of capitalizing healthcare is abhorrent. If the CEO of the golden widget company earns millions, I don't care as long as those widgets aren't necessary to maintaining anyone's life.
                    [–]4floorsofwhores 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
                    Price gouging on a product that saves lives is fucked. Look at the forest not the trees.
                    [–]Bricka_Bracka -2 points-1 points0 points  (4 children)
                    Nobody disputes what you've said here. Least of all me. In fact, I made that same exact point in my comment.
                    The very concept of capitalizing healthcare is abhorrent.
                    [–]4floorsofwhores -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
                    Price gouging on a product that saves lives is fucked. vs The very concept of capitalizing healthcare is abhorrent.
                    My way is better.
                    [–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
                    So you're okay with people leveraging excruciating pain to make a profit, so long as lives aren't in immediate risk?
                    Capitalizing on healthcare means that you are trying to make a profit off of other people's lives or suffering, denying them things they need to live a normal life unless they can offer up the cash. Price gouging is only a small part of that.
                    [–]4floorsofwhores 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
                    You're reading a lot into the statement 'Price gouging on a product that saves lives is fucked.'
                    [–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
                    well, that was reading into the disagreement with the statement, "he very concept of capitalizing healthcare is abhorrent."
                    [–]skipthedemon 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                    I'd bet the Marketing and Sales departments budgets are huge. In the US at least, companies like this don't have a standard price or even range of prices they charge. Every clinic, hospital group, and pharmacy company negotiates pricing contracts and can end up paying wildly different prices for the same product.
                    [–]ArionVII 3 points4 points5 points  (5 children)
                    Logical post.
                    [–]Bricka_Bracka comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points  (4 children)
                    And it's immediately downvoted. Not nearly enough emotional sensationalism to appeal to the average redditor I suppose.
                    [–]PoblachtObritheInternational Communism | CWI–CIO 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
                    There's nothing worse than a stuck up asshole with a victim complex who whines when their allegedly super insightful posts don't get massive critical acclaim.
                    [–]Bricka_Bracka -2 points-1 points0 points  (1 child)
                    Ah. Yeah that's definitely an accurate description of my statement. Project much?
                    [–]PoblachtObritheInternational Communism | CWI–CIO 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                    It's an accurate description of everyone who cries about downvotes. It's doubly applicable here because your immediate response to getting downvoted was to insult literally everyone's intelligence.
                    [–]cfreyPhil Ochs 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                    This is why guillotines should never have gone out of style.
                    [–]Glassclose 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
                    we practically skinned Martin Shkreli for what he did, but this lady, nah she's just a good business person.
                    [–]BarleyHopsWater 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
                    Are they cheaper in Europe? If so we can work something out surely!
                    Edit: all I can find is Epi pen for 49 pounds, 1 shot! Is that all you get 1 shot, Is that normal?
                    Edit 2: who down voted me and why, I'm confused?
                    [–]jeffseadot 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
                    Multiple-use needles are kind of a bad idea, so yeah, it's just one dose. It's supposed to be an emergency-use item, not something that you use with any regularity, so a person could go a long time without ever actually needing to use one.
                    [–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    Are they cheaper in Europe? If so we can work something out surely!
                    Taking prescription drugs across national borders often does not go well.
                    [–]el_gato3 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                    When Private Companies Play a Hegemonic Force in Public Healthcare: A Greek Tragedy
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                      [–]Zerthimon_Mother Anarchy loves her children![M] 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
                      Mod warning: No gendered slurs.
                      [–]thinkinanddrinkin 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      First order of business will be attending to her arrest.
                      [–]autotldr 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)
                      Bresch, who started out in a low-level position in quality control at one of the company's factories, is the first female head of a large pharmaceutical company.
                      The 47-year-old has found herself in the hot seat in recent weeks as consumers and lawmakers have expressed outrage over the rising cost of the drug and have called for investigations into the company's pricing practices.
                      Then there's the matter of Bresch's salary and other perks, which are unusually high, even in this era of crazy compensation for company executives.
                      Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: company#1 Bresch#2 executive#3 Mylan#4 EpiPen#5
                      [–]JoshTylerClarke 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
                      Martin Shkreli 2.0
                      ... and I just read that he's defending her decision.
                      [–]whistle_tips -4 points-3 points-2 points  (0 children)
                      Someone should dress up like the Saw and make her crawl through a room of EpiPens....
                      [–]Dewyboy -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
                      In 2015, Bresch caused another firestorm when she merged Mylan with a company in the Netherlands. The transaction is known as a "tax inversion" and involves joining with a foreign entity to move a legal corporate headquarters abroad. Doing so provides a major advantage: trading U.S. corporate taxes, which at 39 percent are among the highest in the world, for a tax bill from a different country that is presumably less.
                      I thought tons of other countries had higher taxes rates, or is that higher income tax?
                      [–]Bfranx comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points  (1 child)
                      If I remember correctly there are at least two alternatives to EpiPens that are much more fairly priced.
                      EpiPens simply have the advantage of being more well-known.
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                        [–]dorvalorama 8 points9 points10 points  (5 children)
                        Patent law makes it illegal
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                          [–]Mycatispickles 13 points14 points15 points  (0 children)
                          Capitalism is most definately inherently flawed the entire basis of it is based on class antagonism.
                          We are stuck between socialism and capitalism? What? Where is worker control? Do you see it? Where is the socialism?
                          [–]RanDomino5 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
                          Government regulation is an invention of capitalism as the rich create barriers to protect their advantages. Capitalists, deprived of a government, would just create another one.
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                            [–]TiakLibertarian Socialism 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
                            Nobody thinks the rich are inherently evil, we think their class interests stand in opposition to the will of the people, and that government and regulations under capitalism are created by the rich to maintain the status of the rich, existing as an inherent part of capitalism.
                            This isn't assessing 'good' or 'evil' it is just basic analysis of the political economy.
                            [–]Whammster comment score below threshold-49 points-48 points-47 points  (3 children)
                            Yes, because obviously the only driver of the price of a life-saving miracle juice is corporate capitalist greed, and nothing else...
                            [–]Yazkin_Yamakala 38 points39 points40 points  (0 children)
                            The problem is that EpiPen basically holds a monopoly. They can charge anything they want because they have little to no available competition that can be found in the U.S.
                            Having to pay $600 (Which is 600% more than what it was a year ago) for something that people need to save their lives is completely unnecessary. Especially given the fact most of the price increase has to do with profit and not cost effectiveness.
                            [–]CADBP 21 points22 points23 points  (0 children)
                            You do realise that Epi-Pen in America has a monopoly on this and it's not like they were losing money at the price point they were at before. The price increase was pure profit, there was noooo need to increase the price so high. This is another Martin Shkreli case. If for whatever reason they needed to increase the price, there is no way they are a reasonably functioning company to have to increase a profitable product from $50-$70 to $600. Also please remember that her salary of $19 million is new, she was making much less before the price raise, after she increased the price she raised her salary to $19 million. Soooo yeah she raises the price from $50-$70 to $600 and then boosts her salary to $19 million. Totally doesn't sound like corporate greed /s
                            [–]thinkinanddrinkin 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
                            You should look into how much these cost to make and the circumstances of the price increase.
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