Great interview. The best interview. We have the best journalists. (Interview on her website, transcript here).

Rachel backs her into a corner repeatedly and gets her to essentially say that Trump is flip-flopping on several issues.

On the issue of the muslim ban, Conway directs Rachel to Trump saying that it's not a ban on all muslims, instead a ban on immigration from certain places that are known to export terror. But Rachel doesn't let her just say that without defining what are the regions.

MADDOW: So what about a Muslim who wants to emigrate here from Australia?

CONWAY: Well, it depends. Do they have a record of terror? Are they tied to any groups? Are they — I mean, we — look, his entire point is very simple, Rachel, if I may.

Whether it's an American-born lone wolf terrorist in Orlando who shoots up 49 innocent people in a nightclub, or it's folks coming in on a fiancee visa that federal agents I've talked to didn't even know existed, in San Bernardino, to kill 14 innocent co-workers, or it's what happens in Nice, in Brussels, in Paris, and so many other places around the globe, this has to stop.

And the fact is we have to do a better job as a government, because somehow we're not doing a great job.

MADDOW: Do you stop it by stopping all Muslims?

CONWAY: No.

MADDOW: Okay. So that policy is no longer …

CONWAY: Well, you look at his speech from last Monday and I think you find your answer, where he says, look, we are going to stop allowing countries that export terrorists, that we can't get a good vetting system with them, and frankly ...

MADDOW: I've got the quote. He said he would suspend immigration from "regions of the world that have a history of exporting terrorism."

CONWAY: That's right.

MADDOW: So on 9/11, four airliners were hijacked. Three of the four were piloted by men who had most recently lived and operated their cell in Germany. Right? We all know this, right? Hamburg, Germany. So is Germany a country from which we will not allow immigration anymore?

(if you watch, she actually pauses for a long time before saying "Germany" - it's like a pop-quiz - where she says the pilots most recently lived............ and waits and waits, and Conway doesn't say a word because she apparently doesn't know the answer)

CONWAY: No, not wholesale. Because there are so many other ways that we could have at least captured, or I should say, known that those — that that particular al-Qaeda cell was here nefariously.

I mean, who were the people teaching them how to fly a plane in Florida that they never had an interest in learning to land it? You know, we — after 9/11, it was see something, say something.

But before that, we had them — you know, they could have been monitored in a way, if there was a reasonable suspicion that they had, that they were tied to terrorism. So in that particular instance, with the 9/11 terrorists, it's very hard to believe it has been 15 years, Rachel.

But with that particular instance, I'd have to go back and review what we knew about each of them at the time before I answer your question completely. But the general policy is what he says it is, which is ...

MADDOW: What he says is a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.

CONWAY: That was — and now it's …

MADDOW: Before. But you are saying that's no longer operable.

CONWAY: I'm saying that you should see what he said last Monday, where he is saying suspend it from regions or countries that are known exporters of terrorism.

MADDOW: Like Germany, which makes no sense.

CONWAY: Well, no, no …

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Remember that? The hijackers were taught to fly, but had no interest in landing. Yeah that's bullshit that was probably made up by Rush Limbaugh, who knows where it came from, but it's apocryphal.

Flight school director: 9/11 terrorists gave 'no red flags’

Flight trainer flunked 2 9/11 hijackers

Those articles are about different guys at different schools. One describes the hijackers he taught as "dumb and dumber" and flunked them and told them to go learn English, talks about how they were totally incompetent and he couldn't even get them to read a single page of their textbook. One even drew a plane wrong with forward swept wings. He flunked them cause they were useless and refused to learn basic things like how to talk to the tower. He certainly didn't teach them everything about flying except landing, that's a ridiculous idea.

The other guy didn't have dumb and dumber as students and he had this to say:

“I lost my marriage, my health, had to sell everything and lost my name. I still feel mad.”

Dekkers said after his name surfaced he received death threats; bank loans were called in; he lost his business; his health suffered; and his 22-year marriage came to an end.

He documented his struggles in his book, which has already been published in his native Holland, partly to clear his reputation, which he said is still being besmirched on the Internet.

“People still think I only had them steer left and right, and that they didn’t have to land,” he said. “They took all the lessons needed to become professional pilots.”

So these guys have both been hurt by association with the hijackers, even though they did absolutely nothing wrong. And now Trump's Campaign manager is dragging them back through the mud for not saying something and re-spreading debunked lies.