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VideoNo Man's Sky Review (Zero Punctuation) (escapistmagazine.com)

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[–]TicTacMentheDouce 133ポイント134ポイント  (68子コメント)

Accurate

[–]Ciridian 50ポイント51ポイント  (13子コメント)

As the screenshot posts currently drowning out discussion of the game on this forum are currently proving, about the only thing the game is really good at is generating screenshots (albeit in a shite, clunky as fuck way on PS4's), that look like sort of faux, kitchy tributes to Yes album covers from decades past, so he's pretty much spot on, if not being quite generous.

[–]KT421 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

Give this game a simple Pokemon Snap type gameplay and some sort of structure that rewards nice screenshots and I honestly think it would be killer.

[–]Ciridian 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

you know had it been released as a 20$ game, with a browser adjunct, and the screenshot thing, it probably would have been perfect for its fanbase, catering to the kind of experience they seem to find most fulfilling. Or at the very least their dissonance would be much less. It still would have been a widescale flop because of Sean's false advertisment and lies prior to release, however that was his own damn mouth writing checks it couldn't cash, so, well, one reaps what one sews.

[–]Jay_RPGee -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

I love how you hate-trainers think NMS is a "widescale flop".. lol. The game 'aint perfect, it might not even be that great, but it's far from a "widescale flop". You do realise that you guys are the very vocal minority, right?

Over 750,000 copies sold on Steam alone, twitch streams are viewed by 8,000-20,000+ per day, it was the second biggest PS4 launch ever, despite sales declining it is still in the top 3 best selling games in every weekly sales chart, there are (on average) around 30,000 people playing simultaneously at any one time on Steam alone (which is the same % drop settling point as Dark Souls III) etc etc

I am happy to acknowledge Sean misled prior to launch, and that he has a case to answer for, but I am also happy not to jump on the hate-train and enjoy the game for what it is.

[–]SamLikesJam 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

which is the same % drop settling point as Dark Souls III

It isn't, not even remotely. In the month Dark Souls 3 was launched from April the 12th until the 31st it had an average of 74,000 players, with an all time peak of 130,000 which is a 40% drop.

No Man's Sky came out the 13th of this month and it's now the 25th, it's sitting at an average of 52,000 players with the peak being 212,000 which is a 75% drop.

Far more than a minority.

[–]Akatsukaii 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It may have sold well(I'm sure it will also have a rather large % of returns), but the reception has been very poor overall and it will most likely cause people to pause next time they go to pick up a game by Hello Games.

[–]Ciridian 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reality check here, Jay.

49.36% of Steam reviews are negative. Remember, when you refund, your review is removed, so those negative reviews are not even included.

Metacritic user reviews have the PC game at a 3.0. PS4 players, who were not buried in the deluge of technical issues PC users were because of the terrible port gave it a 4.8.

And as you cite Steam users onlike, let's take a look at that:

https://puu.sh/qMIxP/01c2087717.jpg

Hourly users are dropping like a rock. Absolute freefall. So yeah, you better start accepting that people who are dissatisfied with the game are not the "very vocal minority", they are actually quite clearly representative of pretty much the majority of folks who end up experiencing the product for an appreciable amount of time.

It's you guys, the folks who want to believe that this game is something vastly more than a horribly awkward Yes Album Cover tribute screenshot generator in its present state and persist in attacking everyone who disagrees, using the same rhetoric folks use when describing neo-nazis and the KKK.

We're not "haters." We are people who are not satisfied with the game, or who are expressing negative opinions about it. For months though, such opinions have been treated with such open hostility and contempt by the core community of this board that you all began to convince yourselves that anything outside of slavish devotion to the name of Sean Murray, and absolute love of the game was what amounted to hate speech, and frankly, it's just fucking tiresome.

So fuck it, eat that dose of reality and deal with it. FLOP. I'm actually in the crowd that think that the game has potential, it is in a very bare/skeletal state, but if the developers reinvest the money they received from initial sales back into it, into expanding the team, and build themselves around supporting the game as a long term investment, then it could be something great. But I am so sick of this ridiculous paranoid/culty drivel about cabals of "haters."

[–]Petal_Chatoyance 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are so correct. Hello Games screwed the pooch because they forgot the most important part of any game - gameplay. Just having a Pokemon Snap styled photography module, with rated pictures, would have saved the game.

[–]morbidexpression 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, very much Yes album covers.

I've heard it compared countless times to SF paperbacks of the 50s. 60s. 70s. and 80s. I don't think it looks like any of those, not with the shit filters and vignetting. I'm not sure which paperbacks they are talking about because what we actually have in the game doesn't resemble Chris Foss in the least. He oozes style and detail.

[–]Agkistro13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

about the only thing the game is really good at is generating screenshots

Don't forget 'being chill'.

[–]DirkaSnivels 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'll say it again: Glorified Safari

That's fine I you like that kind of game, but it should have been marketed as such.

[–]Skigazzi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its the PS3 game Afrika, but in space, same hype, same letdown

[–]Saytahri -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

As the screenshot posts currently drowning out discussion of the game on this forum are currently proving

Are they drowning out discussion? Discussion is still happening plenty.

[–]radiantcabbage -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's a safe bet to focus on the spectacle since love it or hate it, your LCD will always be impressed by this. also easy to manipulate, not going to claim they have dedicated posters, but I mean it's surely an option to promote the one and only redeeming quality of your game

[–]HughJaynusIII 4ポイント5ポイント  (44子コメント)

Yep, but I really like playing NMS. idk. :)

[–]TicTacMentheDouce 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I like it too, but most things he says are right: the only good part of the game is that it looks good when you're not moving around too much. There is no real point other than looking at stuff. And a lot of content missing.

And I say that as I'm on my 45th hour of game and I will probably go to more than 60hours. I love this crap. But it can't satisfy everyone. Hell, it can't satisfy more than a few thousand people(you can see that steam usage went from ~hundreds of thousands at launch to ~tens of thousands.)

[–]Brakxel 52ポイント53ポイント  (12子コメント)

I am the same way. I pretty much agree with every review I see ripping NMS, yet I'm still putting in more hours into the game.

It is like I'm in an abusive relationship. All my friends tell me what a lying, cheating, manipulative bitch she is. I nod my head, agree with everything they say, and I go home to play with her soft titties.

[–]JimmiG 14ポイント15ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah I'm the same. In spite of the feeling I'm being lied to and manipulated, I keep coming back every night to play.

Also, I still play NMS every night.

[–]donth8mebro 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've paid $60 for games i've played significantly less. I'm not unhappy with the purchase of this game; I just want more content (which we will be getting). The modding community is also doing a great job of enhancing the experience. Bitching about this game gets you nowhere. It is what it is.

[–]DasNocti 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've paid $60 for games i've played significantly less.

I bought Colonial Marines pre-release.

By comparison, NMS is wonderful. I've spent an easy 60 hours (probably more - GOG doesn't track it that I noticed) and still happy chilling out and mindlessly exploring.

[–]Myleshigh514 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it lets me know not to waste my money on it so I thank them for that.

[–]MightyBooshX 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a lot like my previous game addiction, Destiny. Everyone hates it, I see its flaws too, still play it constantly.

[–]vicisss 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I haven't touched it since day 1 :/

[–]losheuvosdelaroca 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me either. It's just...yea. I defended prelaunch, defended it after. Took awhile before I realized I was just arguing against nitpicky stuff rather than defending the game as a whole. I've spent more time reading and arguing about the game than playing the game.

Maybe it's because I think there is so much that could be done and if everyone hates it then it won't be done. Really though you'd have to add so much to the bare bones the game is to make it an actual game that I don't even know that it's worth it.

Maybe sell this, take it as a starting point and then build a game off of it, that'd be cool. As it stands its just flying around imagining infinite possibilities that you can never realize.

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    [–]banana-skeleton 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Smiley faces on reddit always mean the opposite thing unless they're used in a shitpost context.

    [–]HughJaynusIII -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    My smiley posts are never sarcastic. :-\

    [–]banana-skeleton 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I didn't say they were, I meant that people only seem to use them when they're in denial about their own attitude and emotion towards something.

    [–]caoliq 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Or they're trying to shield themselves from expected backlash and groupthink pressure. People want to be accepted by their peers and it might make them question their own natural beliefs. You claiming they're in denial is just more towing the groupthink line, and it's a pretty unfounded anyway.

    [–]Bowler-hatted_Mann -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That's what you think roachboy =)

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      [–]SuiTobi -2ポイント-1ポイント  (8子コメント)

      You like the game? That's not allowed in this sub-reddit!

      [–]morbidexpression -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

      you like a mainstream product from a massive corporation that got a mixed reception? You get to pretend to be some edgy rebel!

      [–]CivilServiced 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      ...said like an edgy rebel.

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        [–]solardeity -4ポイント-3ポイント  (3子コメント)

        "Fuck you for having a positive opinion!" -8 random people

        [–]Boblawblahh 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I assume he's being downvoted for not actually participating in the discussion. It's like you're having a good discussion about the pros and cons of the presidential candidates and there's that one guy that says "I like X" but then refuses to say anything else. That's not a discussion.

        [–]Agkistro13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        And of course solardeity will be getting downvotes for the exact same reason and not grasping why, I imagine.

        [–]mephodross -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        So true :(

        [–]p5yk0t1km1r4ge -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

        This sub is trash. You enjoy the game! Fuck you, eat downvotes! Have an upvote and join us in /r/nomanshigh to enjoy the game with others who also like it :)

        [–]Agkistro13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's not the sub that's trash. If something was trash for ripping on No Man's Sky, then you'd have to say that the steam forums are trash, youtube is trash, the internet in general is trash, and, from what I can tell, the majority of video game players in the english-speaking world are trash.

        At some point it just becomes more plausible that the game is trash, and the negative reactions are just the natural result of that.

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          [–]hugh_jas 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Nice name

          [–]Kosba2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't think you deserve to be downvoted for agreeing but playing it anyway. If anything that kind of attitude should be reinforced. That is, to be able to make considerations one way or another without forfeiting your personal preferences.

          [–]cone_eater -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I'm amazed that you're being so heavily downvoted simply for saying you enjoy playing the game. The detractors are hurting the legitimacy of their own arguments by being this childish.

          [–]Agkistro13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It is impressive. It's rare to see a video game so bad that a person can be downvoted merely for saying "I like it" or upvoted for saying "It fucking sucks" on that video games own subreddit, approaching two weeks after launch when you'd think the haters would have left.

          [–]CivilServiced -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yes but they just want discussion! It all goes both ways! The mods are silencing dissent! Sigh. That other sub is way less bitter. You know the one... I'm getting afraid to name it in case of spillover.

          [–]Jase_the_Muss -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Come over to r/nomanshigh

          [–]Seaside292 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I play every night

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            [–]Pykors 54ポイント55ポイント  (6子コメント)

            "The thing about exploration ... is that the appeal lies in the finding"

            That's the heart of my disappointment right there. NMS was meant to appeal to explorers, but while travel is part of the core gameplay loop, exploration is not! The game doesn't consider any place inherently worth finding, and even if I find something I personally find meaningful, there's no way to go back to it or show others, so it's practically lost forever!

            Really all I needed to be happy was the ability to drop beacons at cool places I or others could visit. Maybe an in game database to share the beacons. Ideally, some way to make exploration a key part of reaching the conclusion of the game instead of just walking a path.

            [–]disconomis 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

            It's just uninteresting at the end of the day. Last night I was stuck on a barren planet without enough zinc to fix my ship so I had to trek 52 minutes over to the nearest life form. Along the way, I flew over dozens of caves but I stopped at none of them because I know what's in them and that sucks. There aren't little crevices of interesting items to find. I love the little stories games like Fallout can tell with a teddy bear in a position, or two skeletons in mid-grapple next to a safe, and this has none of that. No forerunners before us, no families of animals sheltering from the elements, no strange markings or readings. Just the same stuff.

            [–]LegendaryPunk 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Well said. It was this type of content that made the world of Witcher 3 worth exploring for me. A dozen similar looking caves would lead to a dozen unique encounters - be it ranging from a full-blown new quest, to a treasure hunt, to a monster lair, to a simple dead body with a note. Not every cave led to a grand game changing discovery, but each would still lead to something interesting and worth investigating.

            [–]iosappsrock 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Holy shit you absolutely nailed it with this comment.

            [–]test822 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

            the problem is that kind of stuff all has to be hand-designed and hand-placed. you'll never get that kind of interesting and unique stuff with procedural generation.

            [–]CornDogMillionaire 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's a victim of it's own scale. They can't put in anything really properly interesting because no one might ever find it, so they have to keep it the same vanilla boring shit for everyone.

            I personally think the game would be better if it was just a few hundred systems with actual shit to do on them.

            Especially if the rumours are true that the game just flat out doesn't work if you get to a certain galaxy, it is quite literally pointlessly big

            [–]LZRFACE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            The more you explore the less fun the game becomes. It should be the opposite, but sadly its not.

            [–]wren42 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I've been waiting for this review. excellent synopsis.

            [–]ChairmanShenJiYang 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

            My disappointment stems from the fact that Sean Murray perfectly tapped into the type of game I'd want to play, that era's sci-fi, its aesthetics ... watching those trailers was like seeing my own dreams. I came within an inch of pre-ordering it... and I've never per-ordered a game in my life. Of course the rational side of me immediately flagged the procedural aspect of the game, as in, what will I be doing in it? And, won't everything end up being the same no matter where you go?... But I thought, if it is indeed as beautiful as these trailers the atmosphere alone would suffice (for a while) and as long as it was held by a decent narrative thread, it could be a great game. A pity they butchered it so thoroughly. To me it seems apparent that other than the procedural aspect (in its now reduced and rather pathetic form - seemingly little more than a series of minecraft levels connected by rudimentary travel) the actual design was faulty from the start. Things like inventory management, survival mechanics and crafting I perceive as little more than content padding and if you strip them from the game it becomes obvious that Hello games had nothing... other than ideas. Congratulations on salesmanship, Sean Murray, you almost had me there - and I'm probably one of the most jaded gamers in the world. A shame about the game.

            [–]themolestedsliver 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Oh i really like it, The spore comparison was so fucking apparent but i didn't realize it but it makes so much bloody sense.

            spore a pretty hyped game that had the ambition to be "an accurate evolution simulator" where you make your creature and evolve to eventually space travel.

            Well they did everything "half" and dumbed down....EVERYTHING to appeal to a much younger audience and make more money and cut content out of seeming laziness.

            sounds kinda familiar....

            [–]intoxbodmansvs 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            As a younger kid at the time, I loved Spore for what it was. But I also really quickly noticed it flaws after I got my third blob to the spaceage

            [–]themolestedsliver 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            ahaha yeah, I was 13 when i got it for my birthday after seeing it on the discovery channel and loving it.

            To bad i found out most of what i loved (it being realistic at all) was scrapped for a more cartoony game.

            [–]root88 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

            This game was compared to Spore literally thousands of times before the game came out, starting all the way back in 2013.

            [–]themolestedsliver -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

            cool? never heard of that till now so thanks i guess?

            [–]root88 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I think everyone was just trying to prepare themselves for disappointment.

            I definitely like the game, but I am really disappointed. Dinosaurs everywhere. I was really expecting much weirder lifeforms, like the ones in Spore. I was just hoping they didn't look like balloon animals. This game really could have used a few hundred artists. Maybe in the DLC. :/

            [–]themolestedsliver 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            maybe in the a new patch to add much needed content ahah....

            [–]Bdi89 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Link not working for me :(

            [–]FloridaSummer 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

            His site is down D:

            [–]Bdi89 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

            DDoS'ed by angry zealots perhaps?

            [–]banana-skeleton 62ポイント63ポイント  (70子コメント)

            Everyone in this thread is agreeing with Yahtzee's points but ending their comments with "but I love playing that game!!!" as if they're in denial and need to reassure themselves and everyone around them.

            [–]6500s 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Sounds more like the absolute opposite to denial - they are admitting there are flaws but they enjoy it. That is not denial!

            [–]sanguinesolitude 62ポイント63ポイント  (2子コメント)

            you can like something and at the same time wish it was better.

            [–]masterlater 42ポイント43ポイント  (17子コメント)

            In denial that they like playing it?

            [–]WayyOutThere 69ポイント70ポイント  (7子コメント)

            I love that mentality internet people have of "I don't like thing or thing is flawed, therefore anyone who enjoys thing in spite of its flaws is objectively stupid/in denial/an apologist."

            [–]shadow3467 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

            That's basically this sub in a nutshell. Prolonged exposure will probably cause cancer

            [–]MsrSgtShooterPerson 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Hey, guys, top of the morn- SUIT RADIATION LEVEL CRITICAL

            The hell is going on here?!

            [–]OneBlueAstronaut 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

            The only incorrect word in that statement is "anyone". Yes, many people can enjoy a thing despite its flaws, but many more people take to forums to justify their $60 purchase to the game community despite not really being happy with the product.

            [–]mephodross 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I see the same thing on the opposite end about the returns, I don't care if you returned your copy it doesn't need a post about it.

            [–]WayyOutThere 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I don't disagree with you, but I think it's a little unfair/limiting to assume everyone who enjoys the thing is in that boat. I don't think enjoying the product is this binary thing. You can like it and want it to be more at the same time, that's reasonable :)

            [–]OneBlueAstronaut 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I agree. I used to be a big destiny fan during the first year so i know all about coming to terms with a disappointing game and learning to love it anyway (or choosing to abandon it).

            [–]IsilZha 31ポイント32ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Because "I'm loving it in spite of its flaws" is apparently a foreign concept now.

            [–]Chard_Wreck -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

            Most of the hate isn't about the game directly. It's the lies that were told to get our money. It's about the people involved.

            I am 40 hours into the game and still enjoy it for most part, tho I am bumping up against the wall of boredom.

            This doesn't mean I can't still be pissed off at HG for the lies and misrepresentation of their product.

            Lies about features and constant side stepping questions about those lies is not a 'flaw'. While it might be debatable if it is criminal it is without a doubt unethical.

            [–]IsilZha 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What? This response has zero relevance to what I said or even the main comment i was responding to.

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              [–]GreatGoogleRevolt 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I don't know if it's denial. I mean, speaking from someone's point of view who really enjoys the game, but understands the issues, it's that the issues aren't as big a deal to me as some other people. Did HG essentially lie? Quite possibly, but what it sounds like to me is over excited devs with no PR experience who weren't ready to launch. Doesn't excuse their behavior, just sounds like they got caught up in their own hype train and started to believe they could just put anything out and it would be fine, which clearly it wasn't. They also should probably be doing some damage control and explain why the game that was released is essentially an Early Access game.

              But, I paid $60 knowing there were a lot of missing elements, and personally, I've gotten a return on my investment in terms of enjoyment. So, for a while at least, I will fly around space, mine elements and make money. It's not perfect, it is repetitive, but to me it's relaxing, and that's what I want for now. And once I'm done with it, I will put it on my shelf until some major updates are released, load up FTL, and hope we get what was promised, but won't be sweating the $60.

              [–]ElComo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              This is my feeling. I waited a week, read the arguments from both sides about what people think happened, and then saw HG responding back by patching the game, communicating, and presenting a plan. I decided to take the risk and assume what you said. Anyways this is a game concept I really want, I know that modifications will vastly improve this game as they already are, I'm treating it with a Minecraft mentality that it'll improve with features, and in my current financial state, $60 isn't a major issue.

              Essentially, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

              Last thing, people have found the missing features in the game's files, they just aren't activated. That tells me that eventually, either through HG or modifications, they will be included.

              [–]Luckyno 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

              they do that to not get downvoted.

              [–]DanConnersGarage 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

              ...or because that's how they actually feel?

              Some people enjoy the game and that bothers you so...grow the fuck up?

              [–]slippychunks 8ポイント9ポイント  (32子コメント)

              You know, the only people bringing these peoples sincerity under question are the people who dont like the game. The people who like the game arent questioning whether you actually hate it or not. They are expressing an opinion, just like you can express yours. Dont try to dilute what their feeling by assuming they must be in denial. You really think people are doing this amount of mental gymnastics over a fucking video game? Its you who doesnt like the game yet spent $60. I think you have more to be in denial about here sir.....and i think you know it. So you cant beleive how people can like a thing you dont.

              You should be praising the fact that people are having nuanced discussions about something rather than 'I love it' or 'i hate it'.

              We get it, you hate the game. No one is listening to you because your lost in a sea of people who are saying the same thing. So attack the people that like a thing....good strategy silly.

              [–]Chard_Wreck -4ポイント-3ポイント  (8子コメント)

              I don't think it's their sincerity that is under question as much as not understanding the apathy towards this kind of behavior by a company and willingness to accept what they give you verses what you purchased.

              To be perfectly honest I'm amazed at the LACK of anger from the gaming community over this whole thing. If 1M customers paid for a bells and whistles SUV and were delivered a moped you can bet the blow back would be legal.

              [–]CoyotePatronus 11ポイント12ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Yeah, if I paid thousands of dollars for an SUV and got a moped instead of course there would be blow back.

              Not comparable to a $60 dollar video game. It's a GAME, not an extremely expensive necessity. If someone out there thinks that a $60 price tag puts a game into the 'extremely expensive' category then they need not be spending their money on it...as it's not a necessity. Independent transportation tends to be.

              And most of the people actually enjoying the game feel they more than got what they paid for and what they expected, myself included.

              [–]ElComo 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Back to the car comparison, it's funny because when you purchase a car you don't rely only on what the makers of the car say. You rely on credible reviews, performance test, and you test drive them. None of which was possible with NMS, and yet they all blindly bought it. I bought the game knowing what I was getting and not stressing out over $60. I guess they didn't.

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                [–]scorpionjacket 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                IMO everything they said would be in the game is there, with the exception of some minor nitpicky stuff.

                [–]TwevOWNED 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                More along the lines of they are afraid of being downvoted into the pits of hell

                [–]bboynexus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                It is utterly absurd and completely counter-productive to look unfavorably upon people who are capable of compartmentalizing the good things and bad things in something.

                [–]Stormdancer 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Or... maybe they're simply enjoying the game, and don't have to prove anything to some hatefesting wankers?

                [–]Agkistro13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Well, as bland and uninteresting as the game is, if it runs well on your machine it looks pretty and is at least inoffensive. A lot of bad games actually drive you away from them with horrible gameplay, loud hideous noises, or frequent crashes.

                [–]wxdpl -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                So why are you here? Is it to reassure yourself and everyone else that the game is bad and that your opinion is right?

                [–]IHaTeD2 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Everyone

                You mean that one comment at the bottom?

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                  [–]Toucanic 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Expensive wallpaper generator.

                  [–]6500s 1ポイント2ポイント  (28子コメント)

                  Pretty fair review, the points about the journey milestones and the crafting are pretty on point. And also the part about it being a niche game with pressure to succeed as AAA. Not so sure about Spore comparison, I think NMS delivered more to its core premise than Spore did, despite having missing features.

                  Was a bit confused by comparing it to Elite Dangerous though - it's like comparing Burnout to Gran Turismo, one is a fun arcadey racer and the other is a sim, but they are both cars so I can compare them and say Burnout sucks because you don't have individual tire options like you do in GT6.

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                    [–]morbidexpression 9ポイント10ポイント  (19子コメント)

                    Hence Baby's First. It's an infantile version of it and Yahtzee fuckin' loves Elite Dangerous. Of course he's gonna shit on this.

                    [–]esoteric_coyote 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I say the same thing about NMS. Babies first space sim. Not because I think it's childish or silly, just because as of flight controls, survival aspects, etc. are very gentle. That's not a bad thing, sometimes you don't want to blow up because some dickbag decides to troll you, or because you knocked your controls and bumped into the space station. Sometimes you just want to chill out and have easy landing and take offs while you sip coffee. Nothing wrong with that. Different strokes for different folks.

                    [–]6500s -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Meh I won't get too hung up on it, he has a job to be funny and snarky.

                    But mentioning those two games in one breath is one of the reasons people are disappointed by NMS, they aren't even really in the same genre unless "space" is now a genre!

                    [–]AzarinIsard 6ポイント7ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    There's more to it than that. Both games rely on procedural generation, both were massively hyped, and both weren't as good as many hoped. They're still good, but it's not unreasonable to say there were many expecting both Spore and NMS to be the game of the year in their respective years. Don't get me wrong, I played the shit out of Spore, but that was despite its flaws and it just wasn't anything special in the end.

                    The major different between the two is the control method, however my first impression of NMS was that it felt like I was on a first person adventure through someone else's Spore save. The planets, creatures, ships, buildings... They're all just like you found in Spore. Even the end game of Spore you were supposed to work your way towards the centre of the galaxy too. In both games you even have aggressive ships in most systems attacking you for almost no reason too.

                    [–]6500s 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                    Just to be clear I was talking about mentioning NMS and E:D as being similar - I don't think they are beyond the fact you fly a ship in a universe. Like I said above, one is a sim, one is arcadey, like comparing Burnout and GT6.

                    I would actually agree that NMS has lots of similarities with Spore, it's not a huge leap to imagine Sean Murray playing it years ago and thinking "what if I made a game that's like this but..."

                    [–]AzarinIsard 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

                    Ah fair enough. Honestly I have never played Elite:Dangerous so I couldn't say, it's on my Steam wishlist but it looks like my laptop would burst into flames.

                    I would actually agree that NMS has lots of similarities with Spore, it's not a huge leap to imagine Sean Murray playing it years ago and thinking "what if I made a game that's like this but..."

                    I was thinking that too, it's just too similar for me to believe it's all coincidence. Having said that, I wonder if Sean actually enjoyed the final bit of Spore? I never actually completed it because by the end it just becomes repetitive and slow, it loses the plot of what actually makes this sort of thing fun.

                    For me, I really liked the microbe bit and gradually it went downhill from there. One of the big promises that excited me about Spore was the idea that our game choices shape our evolution yet beyond being carnivore/herbivore/omnivore, it didn't. I really was hoping that the evolution would be determined for you, if you run a lot, you evolve faster etc. but instead you just found limbs littered over the planet and just glue them on in random places and watch them clip through your body. If Spore really was as good as hyped, that would have been special. There'd be so much replayability knowing that if you happened to get hunted on a planet where you're prey you would evolve different to one where you're top of the foodchain, you'd be unable to force that and it would be a new experience every time based on how things roll. Shame it wasn't to be and it seemed just be a great idea that just couldn't be realised.

                    It's a similar yet different problem with NMS, the whole game feels like a blank canvass, it's a solid base but lacks the perks Sean kept advertising which would have really enhanced this. It would be an awesome engine for another game, but as it is it just feels like a tech demo or something. I'm optimistic that something will be patched in, but as Yahtzee pointed out, you mine to upgrade your ship, and upgrade your ship to mine... But why? There's nothing to aspire to. It's very much like building settlements in Fallout 4, we do it because we can and like to create something but whether you do or don't has no real impact. I think what this game needs is maybe Terraria like biomes, or bosses, or something designed that we have to hunt for. Maybe we come across planets which are having some sort of crisis we can either help or hinder. Something, anything, with some sort of significance in this galaxy.

                    [–]LukethDragon 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    my laptop would burst into flames

                    Devil's advocate here, I'm running a 4(?) year old 680mx, can barely maintain NMS at 25fps on every thing low, while I maintain a comfortable 60fps at high in ED.

                    [–]AzarinIsard 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Well, probably an over exaggeration. I don't particularly like laptop gaming (I want a decent gaming PC, but that's not a possibility for now) because it never runs smoothly, settings never go low enough lol. Still though, I was playing Sims 2 on low settings and even that wasn't that good, I really enjoy Total War but it can manage upto Empire on low quite comfortably then it's swiftly downhill. It just about managed Rome 2 but the turns took forever to tick though. Anything beyond games like Terraria or Stardew Valley are just run so shit it's barely worth bothering lol.

                    [–]Racheakt -3ポイント-2ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    Elite Dangerous

                    I have both games, I just had a hard time getting into E:D. It felt more like a flight sim. And at the time I played it was jump station to station and trade goods, you didn't even need to get out of you ship.

                    [–]TelPrydain 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    That's no longer true... But it is a sandbox sim. There's a lot to do, but most all of it is ship based.

                    [–]iatelassie 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

                    Yeah you don't get out of the ship - it's pure flight sim. I just started playing and love it so if you want to try again, head on over to /r/EliteDangerous and start truckin.

                    [–]Racheakt 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    The Idea of this kind of PvP bothers me too not saying there is anything wrong with it It is just that my fun is playing the game while other have fun making me not have fun.

                    [–]Remjob 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The game has 3 modes; open play, private group and solo. You don't have to play in open until you feel ready.

                    [–]iatelassie 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Agreed. I've heard horror stories about pirates and people losing weeks of progress on a mission and/or millions of credits. There is solo play though, so at least that's an option.

                    [–]TelPrydain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    There's also private play and non-pvp groups to join

                    [–]6500s 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Well you can drive in it too - if you pay for the Horizons expansion.

                    [–]iatelassie 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I have Horizons, but I haven't gotten to that part yet. I'm just getting a handle on making money doing bounties.

                    [–]TelPrydain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Horizons allows you to explore moons.

                    [–]GoT_LoL 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    I was expecting a more casual version of elite more focused on planetary surface exploration and visuals over flight mechanics and technical accuracy.

                    I feel like that is exactly what I'm playing.

                    Elite can be downright tedious, and the learning curve is alot steeper but even with all of the features and accuracy of mechanics people still came to the same conclusion...its shallow.

                    Well maybe...just maybe...if we were really exploring our galaxy in fucking starships it would be just as shallow and boring as people think these games are.

                    I enjoy the more casual play of NMS, and how easy it is to go from planet to planet, system to system. Its lets me relax and enjoy the experience without having to remember 70 buttons and tinker with my Hotas because I ran out of buttons and I found a new one that I need.

                    Like movies, I try not to read to much ahead of going to actually see it. I dont want grandiose expecations, or peoples interpretations of a feature from an old conversation or demo to cloud my experience. Me and friends actually have an overhype rule we follow for this very reason!

                    The lengths people have gone to flame this game are just a byproduct of overhype either by themselves or things devs said years ago about a version of a prototype.

                    That is some dangerous ground to lay a foundation for expectations, the movie, the game whatever it may be will almost never live up to it.

                    [–]0tus 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    I was expecting a more arcade and relaxed version of elite too which was fun and relaxing but nope. It was too arcade. I didn't expect it to handle worse some of the more casual space combat games 2 decades ago. Not to mention that there isn't much you can do in space. All of that just makes the space portion of the game just feel like a glorified loading screen between the actual points of interest.

                    Another thing I expected it to be was "zen" exploration game, but all the zen goes away when I have to constantly worry about mining resources that I'm constantly expending instead of actually concentrating on exploring.

                    I had some fun with it, but ultimately those two major points burned me out and turned me away from playing it. Don't get me wrong though. I'm not shitting on people who still play it and like it.

                    [–]thekbob 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    There is a new mod on PC that allows for much better flying controls if that was a concern for you. I'm interested in E:D, and would love to try it, but I have no interest in having to get some voice recognition software, HOTAS, etc. to play a game I want to explore and chill in. The VR aspect would seem great, but I don't want to have more desk clutter controllers. :P Plus, I have no interest in routinely blowing up when I fail at landings, so different ideals.

                    If E:D ever gets an "arcade" mode, I'd be more interested.

                    [–]0tus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Better Flying controls would definitely help, but space part itself needs some activities to do. Sean Murray did say(and I'm not bringing this up to shit on him) that if you felt like it you could just ignore planets and do things in space. You can kind of sort of do that but it really doesn't feel like that. The options of things to do in space are very limited.

                    As far as Elite goes. You can do pretty much everything outside of typing solar system names with a controller. HOTAS doesn't even really provide more accurate controls than well set up controller controls. It's just more immersive.

                    [–]LordSharpe 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Haven't watched Yahtzee for a long time, but hes pretty bang on.

                    Not to say I don't enjoy the game, but its not for everyone. Or even most ones.

                    [–]ImFrenchSoWhatever 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Savage.

                    I laughed out loud at the crowbar in the knee.

                    [–]enkrypt3d 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    I've put in 34 hours on this game and I can't go on....

                    [–]Stormdancer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yeah, pretty much nailed it.

                    But I'm still enjoying the game, courtesy of NoVignettes and FlyLow. Which, interestingly, takes care of one his big frustrations - being unable to crash.

                    [–]RancidRance 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    The website is down now. Perhaps a DDOS attack? Same thing happened to Jim Sterling after his NMS review.

                    Edit: (As of now, it's up and running, however earlier it was down, as confirmed by isitdownrightnow)

                    Edit2: Annnnd it's down again.

                    [–]Fresh4 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    More likely just Reddit hug of death. It doesn't always have to be a DDOS (though the effects are kinda similar i spose)

                    [–]Akatsukaii 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    It's a pretty large website and Zero Punctuation is widely popular so I doubt that. It may have been a DDoS or just some technical issues.

                    [–]Dracious 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yep still down for me as well, anyone have a mirror?

                    [–]Ragexz 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    What really saddens me is that Hello Games hijacked my perfect dream game and fell short in their promises.

                    The potential for this game was immense and its such a shame.

                    [–]RX3000 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Ohhhh God cant wait to watch this when I get home today.

                    [–]DeerTrivia 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    God damn, can we just pin this? Completely accurate.

                    [–]Agkistro13 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    One again a review that is typically satirical turns out to be merely accurate when applied to No Man's Sky. Conclusion? No Man's Sky is a satire of video games. A joke, if you will.

                    I appreciate that he pointed out that this game is Elite Dangerous for babies.

                    I appreciate he pointed out that upgrades are only good for getting more upgrades, which is something I've felt from the start but haven't seen in a review before.

                    I appreciate his comparison of 'an infinite amount of content' to looking at sheets of paper or stranger's faces. An infinite number of tiny variations of one theme does not a game make.

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                    [–]Yonderen 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Yahtzee's reviews have saved me from spending money on more games than I can count.

                    [–]thekbob -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Yahtzee "hates" most stuff, but may actually like it. I don't think a comedian is a good reviewer. :P

                    [–]Yonderen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Oh, I know that, haha. But when he goes into a rip session on a game I'm considering, he's frighteningly accurate with reasons I probably won't enjoy it.

                    [–]Jaggedrain 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I love Yahtzee's reviews. Mainly because I like to listen to him froth at the mouth about games he doesn't like.

                    Compared to some things he's said about games, this was...ehh, not bad.

                    [–]VinylGuy420 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I was looking forward to this game coming out because I thought it was a bit like Elite Dangerous. Was sorely disappointed. Guess I'll have to wait for Elite Dangerous to come out for the PS4.

                    [–]darkangelx 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I am glad it is not like elite:dangerious or I would have bought fucking ED when it came out.

                    [–]TheTwitchyStitch -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    sooo, it sounds like yahtzee thought it was an ok game.

                    [–]0tus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    More like an "It exists" or "It's a game" kind of score.

                    [–]deadbubble 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Nope.

                    [–]templarsilan -3ポイント-2ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    Spore comparison rip. I was expecting more of an ass tearing from Yahtzee.

                    [–]Volkamar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I'd agree, but I think Jim Sterling and Angry Joe as well as other videos I couldn't name off the top of my head have already said what needed to be said in the "ass tearing" department. And there's so much wrong that you can't really fit it into a standard format Zero Punc. episode. You'd need at least 15 mintues to list em all.

                    [–]6500s -3ポイント-2ポイント  (9子コメント)

                    He obviously liked it, he gave it the same treatment as most other games he likes. Would have torn it to shreds if he didn't.

                    [–]sylph22 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

                    Actually not exactly remember he is doing a most blandest list at the end of the year now. I've been watching his stuff for years now and it sounds like he didn't really like it but that it didn't commit enough sins to rise his ire.

                    If nothing else this is really the valley you wouldn't want your game to be in. The place that didn't do anything new didn't take any risks and just was kinda there. The whole infinite planets thing has already been done, procedural is nothing new its been treaded over many times now.

                    [–]6500s 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    I've been watching his stuff for years now and it sounds like he didn't really like it but that it didn't commit enough sins to rise his ire.

                    Same here, I really thought he gave it such a light treatment, just seemed like the usual mocking of things he does with all games. Was expecting him to savage it.

                    If nothing else this is really the valley you wouldn't want your game to be in. The place that didn't do anything new didn't take any risks and just was kinda there. The whole infinite planets thing has already been done, procedural is nothing new its been treaded over many times now.

                    Eh, I disagree but no point arguing about it.

                    [–]sylph22 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Yeah will be interesting to see if it ends up on his top 5s list at then end of the year

                    [–]mephodross 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

                    Please list some games that do proc Gen better? And don't say elite because you can't land on planets with atmosphere or even walk around.

                    [–]sylph22 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

                    Spore has "infinitely" generated planets in their Galaxy. The only thing Hello Games did was scale up the size of the planets. Yet in spore you can tune the planets terraform change the atmosphere modify the colors etc.

                    Having a planets worth of terrain with the exact same biome isn't impressive. It repeats itself over and over. You want to know what else has proc gen? Fucking minecraft and they somehow managed to have more resources than NMS has. NMS isn't this bastion of creativity as they didn't even come up with the formula and they are currently involved with a lawsuit with the company that did.

                    [–]Lordofkarnge1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Nope, not even slightly

                    [–]deadbubble 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Never got the impression that he liked it myself. Sounds more like he was extremely bored with it.

                    [–]Ridonk942 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

                    Got really excited to watch this... and the website won't load. v_v Why muah?

                    [–]maddxav -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    The site is dead for me. Looks like someone got mad and DDOS it. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

                    [–]ArkDenum -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    As someone who likes playing NMS. I enjoyed that and had a right giggle

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