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DiscussionWhat r/thebluepill is about (self.PurplePillDebate)

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Making a short post because there seems to be a lot of confusion from the RP side about what the subreddit r/thebluepill is about. In fairness, when RPers ask they often get several different answers which can seem contradictory without a holistic view of the sub.

To start off let's talk about what r/thebluepill is not:

  • an ideology

  • a sub about feminism (some BPers are feminists and some posts will reflect that, but many are not and feminism isn't the focus)

  • a BP-oriented sexual strategy sub meant to rival TRP

  • a serious debate or discussion sub (with the caveat that those things can and do take place from time to time)

  • a place for RP to ask (or demand, as is often the case) alternative advice or options, with the same caveat as the above point

  • an ask BP loaded questions from RPers sub

  • forgot to add, "Try to convert me bloops" posts from RPers

What is r/thebluepill about then?

  • Laughing at the misogyny, hypocrisy and factually incorrect aspects of TRP and individual RPers

  • A place to vent anger, disgust and general bewilderment over the above aspects of TRP

  • Satire of TRP and RPers

  • General circlejerking

  • Stories about people BPers know IRL who seem RP or actually converted to RP (ex, "my brother/cousin/friend went RP, HELP!")

  • Ex-RP stories and epiphanies (there's a sub devoted to this already but they still end up on TBP)

Not a comprehensive list but I think that covers the main aspects of r/thebluepill.

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[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Just because a person or entity claims to be about a specific thing it doesn't mean that it's true.

Many modern leftists claim they don't support socialism but many of their actions speak otherwise.

Many in the alt-right claim they don't support expelling people of color from their nations on the basis of their race alone, but clearly the movement does.

The bluepill, time and time again, claims it is just satire but so many topics and comments completely support feminist ideology.

If you can claim TRP is about misogyny then I don't see how you are oblivious to the feminist slant of most posters from TBP.

[–]drok007Non-Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree, "TBP does not have an ideology" is less true than "TRP is just a self-improvement sub".

[–]StickItInTheToilet [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

'Feminist ideology' is just normal to most women - and men. Yet, they don't call themselves feminists.

My partner would not call himself a feminist, yet if I read him out something from the red pill or something from the blue pill, guess which he agrees with?

You're wrong on this one.

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

I see plenty of radical third-wave stuff that almost no one believes coming from bluepillers.

[–]poppyblu [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Such as?

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

I pretty much answered this already down thread. I have seen bluepillers argue for all of these things.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/4zehgt/what_rthebluepill_is_about/d6vb55l

[–]poppyblu [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

It's fair to argue that picking anonymous comments from a sub and taking to represent an ideology in its entirety is a little disengenous. I could do the same with RP or literally any sub dedicated to a specific gender, race or political party.

Ex wage gap and 1 in 5, those are pretty mainstream in terms of the number of people who believe them.

[–]PM_YOUR_BREASTS_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wait what? That's the whole point of TBP. The lack of self awareness is laughable.

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Sure, and that mainstream belief is undeniably a feminist belief.

Also, almost any red pill ideas would have never been argued against before the first wave of feminism. Sure, there are some concepts that couldn't have existed before the first-wave (like the CC, the sociopathic uses of AWALT, etc) but nobody before the second wave would have hesitated to disagree about hypergamy, AF/BB, and the importance of dominant masculinity.

[–]poppyblu [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

nobody before the second wave would have hesitated to disagree about hypergamy, AF/BB, and the importance of dominant masculinity.

Wow, such self important delusion. "everyone was happier when the white menz were in charge before the feminists ruined it"

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

You are strawmanning me.

I don't really care that women were thrust into the workforce in the Second Wave. I don't care that they were granted birth control and abortion. It is their burden if they end up overworked and childless at 35 and can't handle it (and more power too them if that is the life they want).

I am simply saying it would have been common knowledge that masculinity is important for men to have if they want to be desirable, and that women are hypergamous and prefer bad boys in their youth.

[–]poppyblu [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Smh. Never mind. I'm no longer interested in going rounds with people who think that beliefs are fact.

[–]InterversityPurple Pill, Blue Tribe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

'Feminist ideology' is just normal to most women - and men.

What does that mean?

[–]dakruNeither [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree with it. The idea that it's much harder being a woman ("male privilege"), that men have power ("patriarchy"), that violence against women matters more than violence against men, and the idea that negative stereotypes or beliefs about women are more concerning than negative stereotypes or beliefs about men, all of these things are pretty mainstream beliefs, at least from what I see.

[–]Yonderlander [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

What's wrong with having a slant towards gender equality? That seems kind of obvious if we are taking the piss out of sexist people!

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There is something wrong with believing that if two drunk people have sex then the man is a rapist.

It is wrong to think you can teach sociopaths not to rape, and that teaching women to take measures to protect themselves is "victim blaming."

It seems wrong to believe that 36 different genders is anything more than a tumblr delusion and that people should let prepubescent children transition.

The wage gap and the 1in5 rape statistic are both completely fallacious and it is wrong to push forth political agendas that lead to inequality over these fallacies.

[–]youcantdenythatSeriously? [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you implying that feminism is about gender equality?

[–]drok007Non-Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Then why does stuff like this crop up?

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sneaky sneaky. You predicted this.

[–]cuittlerPM me your source list ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ok, you got me on that point. I really didn't think that many bp were feminist but I was basing that idea off the responses to the last ppd survey and some vocal non-feminist BPers.

I would maintain that the focus is not on feminism though.

[–]drok007Non-Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I've noticed the ones here who call themselves "non-feminist" tend to have very feminist/collectivist ideas anyway. I mean I could call myself BP, but that wouldn't really be true.

[–]StickItInTheToilet [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Because the blue pill is not a hive mind. That's why.

Most people, in general society, if exposed to rp ideas, would believe the same as one of the posters in that thread:

Very very doubtful. Religion has been trying to keep sex under their thumb for millenia, with decreasing luck over the years. RP is essentially a giant douche from the 50's idea of how one should act. The mill of time is slow, but grinds exceedingly fine.

[–]drok007Non-Blue Pill [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

BP is a narrower ideology than RP though due to the nature of collectivism. It is rather cult-like in that regard. They have adopted cryptochristian morals, and even replaced dogma like original sin with privilege.

Edit: I'll clarify that not all of them are, for a lack of a better word, 'orthodox' in that regard, many have ideas of the concept that they favor however.

[–]sigma96Sigma [スコア非表示]  (20子コメント)

TBP is like liberalism or atheism or sometimes socialism. It's easy to just not try and make fun of others who do. That's why I don't associate with TBP.

[–]shoup88Not TBP [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

I don't understand your comparison. You think that the difference between atheists and religious people is that atheists are "not trying"?

[–]sigma96Sigma [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

Atheists have no beliefs, religions do. It's easier to tear down walls than it is to build them up.

[–]shoup88Not TBP [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

That's a fascinating POV

[–]BiggerDthanYouI'm cute :3 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Atheists have beliefs like "religions were invented so that the people in charge can control the population better" and "just because it's in a book doesn't mean that it's correct" and "just because your grew up getting brainwashed to believe it doesn't mean that it's the truth. The fact alone that religions are cultural shows that they are man-made and not something God told men to write down"

[–]SetConsumesR [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Atheists have lots of beliefs, they're often trying to come from a logical stand point and show what is true or not.

[–]sigma96Sigma [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

Atheists tell me their entire atheism community is about not beliving in anything.

[–]SetConsumesR [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

Yeah that's retarded. I was an atheist for a long time, and there was lots of logically proving or disproving many things.

Atheism is the rejection of a deity or supernatural force, it is not no beliefs.

[–]TW_CountryMusicanti-whimsy [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

I was an atheist for a long time

Out of curiosity, what are you now?

[–]SetConsumesR [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

I'm gnostic towards a God and agnostic towards most other non-abrahamic Gods.

[–]Changes4175 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Dude pick a more fun religion than Gnosticism at least.

[–]SetConsumesR [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I don't follow gnosticism. I'm gnostic towards a God meaning I know the God exists and don't rely on faith that the God exists.

[–]Heathcliff--All Women Are Cathy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just because atheists don't believe in God doesn't mean they don't believe in morals.

Besides that I agree with what you said .

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

I've taken u/cuittler's post at face value. I accept that r/thebluepill is about circlejerking, satire, parody, and making light of men's relationship problems. I get that.

My point is that people who post there have every right to post those things; but they do NOT have the right to demand that anyone else take them seriously when they come here.

Let me draw a parallel. Donald Trump. For years, Trump has been a self aggrandizing, self absorbed shameless huckster, promoting himself and his brand everywhere. Lots of people hate the guy and everything he stands for.

Now that he's the Republican presidential nominee, lots of Blues are saying "who the fuck does that blowhard think he is? Just because he's got the presidential nomination of a major political party, doesn't mean I have to take him seriously!! In fact, I take him EVEN LESS seriously! Harrumph! Asshole! Douchebag! Racistsexisthomophobepig!"

Same thing here. Blues don't get to say "we're all fun and games over in our circlejerk corner" and then an hour later say "take me seriously dammit because I have this and that and the other Important Policy Position On This Thing That Matters To People!"

I see Blues the same way Blues see Donald Trump.

[–]shoup88Not TBP [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Do you not think that Donald Trump is now a viable presidential candidate who should be taken seriously by the opposition? You don't think it's a mistake to dismiss him?

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He is, and he should be; but people don't take him seriously; and dismiss him out of hand. Just by virtue of identifying as a Republican will cost him 35% of the popular vote. Just because he told Megyn Kelly and the rest of the lamestream media where to stick it will cost him another 5 to 7% of the popular vote. And just because he is Donald "You're Fired" Trump, multi-millionaire, will cost him more in the popular vote.

People see Trump as a joke, a gigantic troll job on the entire country. A not insignificant number of people really believe the Clintons put Trump up to getting the nomination, saying outrageous shit, throwing red meat at the GOP base and the Tea Partiers, and letting Hillary look "reasonable" and "presidential".

Hillary is easily the weakest Dem candidate in the past 20 years. She is likely a past alcoholic, she's clearly having seizures; she has to be helped up flights of stairs, has a voice that sounds like a screeching city bus, hates campaigning because she believes it's beneath her, and has negatives out the ass. In 2008 a black man who 5 years before running for president had been an obscure Illinois state senator and had served all of 15 months of a 6 year US Senate term, decided to run, and kicked the absolute shit out of her. A black man who had been on the national stage for less than 4 years soundly trounced her. Trump sometimes makes her look almost intelligent and even-keeled.

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Ever since he entered the stage I have believed he will win.

Liberal media scoffed and the conservative establishment did as well. Even people who like him didn't believe. Now he is the nominee and liberal media is in still in disbelief (or denial) and SJWs are in panic mode.

I'd bet no candidate has been so loved and hated by American voters.

I would even bet everything I own on him winning. As far as I know there is has never been more excitement over a republican candidate. There was a lot of excitement for Ronald Reagan, and no one thought an actor could win back then.

The only thing that could destroy him at this point is himself. If there is one skeleton unturned or one instance of outrageous behavior then it could be over. (Imagine how outrageous that behavior would have to be!)

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I knew Donald Trump was going to pop up in this thread.

My observation about Trump as he pertains to this topic is simple: Trump and his supporters claim his ideas are not about racism but leftists claim that they are, and that it is 100% clear.

TBP claims it's ideologues are just there for satire but TRP sees them as feminists and think it is very clear that they are.

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Close but not really.

The point is that leftists don't take Trump seriously precisely BECAUSE of his pre-election conduct in other venues.

TRP should not take individual TBP posters/commenters seriously precisely BECAUSE of their conduct in other venues.

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I got your point; I was just making my own: both groups seem to fundamentally agree on what a feminist/racist viewpoint is.

[–]BiggerDthanYouI'm cute :3 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They see them as fat, sheltered lonely feminists so they can easier tell themselves that their views don't count.

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I see them as people who emotionalize discourse. I think they disagree with facts and opinions that hurt their feelings rather than consider them.

I see them as people who use language in a way that functions as intellectual dishonesty.

I would also guess that most are too young and/or sheltered in liberal bubbles to have seen the red pill play out in real life. I also think their use of language prevents them from understanding and/or articulating the truth.

[–]SkinnySweatyChad's Dad [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

My point is that people who post there have every right to post those things; but they do NOT have the right to demand that anyone else take them seriously when they come here.

So because you engage in satire and sarcasm on one sub, then you should be shunned on any other sub you post to?

Sounds legit.

Blues don't get to say "we're all fun and games over in our circlejerk corner" and then an hour later say "take me seriously dammit because I have this and that and the other Important Policy Position On This Thing That Matters To People!"

Yeah, we do get to say whatever we want to say. If you choose to disregard it or attempt to minimize it because we make jokes somewhere else on reddit we really could care less.

Knock yourself out.

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I know. You care so little you needed to bang out a comment reply to me to tell me how little you care.

Cool.

[–]Ercole_DueRed [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

  • A collective virtue signal that you can join to insist that you are a good person

[–]corsega [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Best comment I have ever read on Purple Pill Debate. Scary how much people don't realize that participating in their "in-group" is actually a virtue signal.

[–]TW_CountryMusicanti-whimsy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd also point out that many (most?) of the "blue pillers" who post here do not actually post to the Blue Pill sub. To me, "Blue Pill" on PPD means that they are opposed to red pill, not that they're necessarily members of TBP sub.

[–]Sunhappy_DCINTJ juju [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

TBP is an online hugbox for sheltered, mostly white female feminists who think their views on race, gender, class and society are somehow superior to alternative or opposing views.

The very idea that an educated, articulate, well-rounded and professionally successful woman without serious baggage or family issues would choose to submit herself to a man that, by HER morals and standards, has earned the right to lead her household is somehow oppressive, backwards, ignorant, obscene or dangerous is downright ridiculous.

They are often cruel and doxx people for shits and giggles, hunting down certain users and calling them out by name, ripping apart their innocent comments and then hiding behind the incorrect application of the concept of satire.

It's not about debating RP, or makin fun of RP...it's just really bitter and confused wannabe social justice warriors behind a computer screen chomping at the bit and foaming at the mouth, because they were presented with stories and ideas of lifestyles they cannot fathom as legitimate because the focus is often on a man, and not a woman.

they can all kick rocks.

EDIT: I'm a member of /r/RedPillWives

[–]Leeloooooooooooooooo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

claps, slowly at first, but then with fervor

[–]SkinnySweatyChad's Dad [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

This is the Strawman of all strawmen.

Congrats?

[–]Heathcliff--All Women Are Cathy [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Nah it seems pretty darn accurate to me. bunch of white girls with privilege through the roof get mad at depressed dudes and other girls who won't think or behave like them.

[–]sen--senfirst of her name, non-red queen of the mythical slut-beasts [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

if i remember right, there are sheltered and privileged RPers/RPW too, men and women who also don't hesitate to express their dislike for feminism and those who believe in it ("people who don't think like them"). if it's true about TBPers, it's most certainly true about TRPers too.

[–]SkinnySweatyChad's Dad [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No, we get mad at the sexism and misogyny. Stay on point, if you can.

[–]Heathcliff--All Women Are Cathy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You get mad at what you consider sexism and misogyny.

And needlessly mad at that. No one is hurting anyone.

[–]poppyblu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Something tells me... You don't agree with much of what they say. I'm not sure exactly why I think that, can't put my finger on it...

[–]ThrowawayCactus6012I wish they had M&Ms as flairs [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Laughing at the misogyny, hypocrisy and factually incorrect aspects of TRP and individual RPers

Wouldn't this, by itself, constitute the makings of an ideology? After all, what you're saying here is merely a political opinion and a value judgment based on political conditioning.

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (47子コメント)

IF that's what r/thebluepill is about (joking, venting, satire, parody and circlejerking), then individuals who post there should not come here and expect to be taken seriously when they attempt "serious debate".

[–]shoup88Not TBP [スコア非表示]  (28子コメント)

Why? Why does joking about a subject mean you can't take it seriously in another context?

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (27子コメント)

You don't get to have it both ways.

[–]shoup88Not TBP [スコア非表示]  (24子コメント)

Why? Can you give a bit more background as to why you don't believe context matters?

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

No. They don't get to have it both ways. They don't get to say "fuck TRP and I don't give a shit about hurting men"; then come here, put on glasses and a cardigan sweater, and affect a serious acumen.

They don't get to circlejerk all over the place at TBP; then come here and say "just joshing about my misandry! Can't you take a joke? It's all in fun!"

Fuck that bullshit.

[–]Atlas_B_ShrugginBitch, I'm in the 215 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Yes they can. Watch them. They do it a lot

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

OK. I don't have to take them seriously while they attempt it. And no one else should, either.

[–]Atlas_B_ShrugginBitch, I'm in the 215 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

They should be taken on the merit of their comments here, not on the parody sub. I can joke about people and subs all day in the IRC and then come here and make cogent, intellectual honest and serious comments. What people do outside of here is irrelevant if their serious and acting in good faith here. This doesn't make sense

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Funny you say that; because TBPers certainly don't extend that same courtesy to TRPers. Blues automatically presume TRPers are acting in bad faith, are misogynists and sexists, have sinister motives and intent, even when TRPers come here and "make cogent, intellectual honest and serious comments". TBP doesn't extend to TRP the courtesy of "what people do outside of here is irrelevant if they're serious and acting in good faith here".

[–]shoup88Not TBP [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

That doesn't really give any more reasoning behind why they can't do both. Why can't a person make a joke about something in context and take it seriously in another?

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Perhaps THEY joke then take it seriously.

That doesn't mean I, or OTHERS, have to take THEM seriously.

[–]shoup88Not TBP [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Yes, but why don't you take them seriously? Where is the mental disconnect between recognizing when it's appropriate to joke and when it's appropriate to debate? Do you approach other aspects of your life this way? If your dentist makes a joke about teeth, do you consider him unqualified to perform dental work?

[–]Invalidity [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Because they present a clear bias. There is no debate when an argument arises between two factions, if one side is clearly opposed to everything that the other believes in.

I can guarantee you that most of the people in PPD who identify as "blue" are doing so to demonstrate that they are opposed to what TRP stands for. But most of them are not likely to subscribe to and actively contribute to TBP, because the notion of the whole subreddit is counter to sensibility.

[–]shoup88Not TBP [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

It sounds less like you're against the tone of TBP, and more against the existence of blue pill entirely. Or maybe not "against the existence", but you don't take blue pillers seriously by their very nature?

You don't think that both blue pill and red pill have clear biases?

[–]SkinnySweatyChad's Dad [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They don't get to say "fuck TRP and I don't give a shit about hurting men"; then come here, put on glasses and a cardigan sweater, and affect a serious acumen.

Sure we can. And we do. And enjoy ourselves while doing so.

<sips sparkling water knowingly>

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sure you can.

I just don't have to take you seriously while you do so.

Fascinating to see how much you care about my views on this, after professing not to care.

[–]Yonderlander [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Course you can, they're different subs.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

As long as they are following the rules and engaging in an attempt to debate in good faith I see no reason why we should be preventing folks from coming to PPD, TBPers or anyone else for that matter.

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I didn't say anything about "preventing" anyone from coming to PPD.

I said only that people who post at r/thebluepill should not be taken seriously when they attempt "serious debate".

[–]shoup88Not TBP [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

They don't get to circlejerk all over the place at TBP; then come here and say "just joshing about my misandry! Can't you take a joke? It's all in fun!

What do you mean by "they don't get to", if you're not implying censorship or banning certain people from participating?

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not implying anything, other than no one should take seriously anything posted by people who post at r/thebluepill.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Just because you make fun of something doesn't mean you can't seriously debate it. I can make fun of people who believe the earth is flat or who deny climate change while also being able to offer sound arguments against their positions in a debate. Besides, TRPers make all sorts of dismissive and insulting statements about TBPers (or just blues in general) here and on TRP--should they not be taken seriously either?

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Just because you make fun of something doesn't mean you can't seriously debate it.

Blues can attempt to "seriously debate" whatever they wish. But I don't have to take them seriously when they attempt it.

Besides, TRPers make all sorts of dismissive and insulting statements about TBPers (or just blues in general) here and on TRP--should they not be taken seriously either?

TRP is not a circlejerk site devoted to making fun of people who post in another subreddit.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Fine to each his own. You're advocating a position though. By your logic any terp whose said anything making fun of bloops shouldn't be taken seriously either.

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

No, because TRP is not a circlejerk site whose sole and only purpose is to make fun of people in another subreddit.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Regardless of whether it's it's "sole purpose", TRP makes fun of bloops all the time. It appears to be the "making fun of and ridiculing" that perturbs you and makes you feel they shouldn't be taken serious as legitimate debaters, not the fact they do so on a particular sub, is it not?

[–]TW_CountryMusicanti-whimsy [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

If a person posts silly/satirical political memes on Facebook, should they not be allowed to vote, or to seriously discuss politics when the situation calls for it? (Or, rather, should they not be taken seriously when they do)?

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Most people nowadays should not be allowed to vote.

Such a person can attempt serious discussion on politics; but they should not demand to be taken seriously when they try to do so. Nor should they be allowed to bitch about the fact that certain people don't take them seriously.

[–]TW_CountryMusicanti-whimsy [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Well, sure; anyone who demands to be taken seriously has probably already lost the argument anyway.

However, if someone is presenting a sound, logical argument, there is no reason to discredit it just because they joked about a related topic in a totally different context. In my opinion, everyone here should take people's arguments for what they are and judge them based on that. Otherwise what are we all doing here? We already know that we don't agree with one another's respective subs.

To me, all this says is that you're not here to debate in good faith, since you're outright stating that you refuse to take the other side seriously.

[–]PM_YOUR_BREASTS_ [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'll agree that someone here is not debating in good faith, I'll give you that.

If you play that silly game where nobody can tell anymore if you are serious or in jest then you can't demand credibility to yourself when you try to make a point. I mean, you can, but you may have fallen to the ugly side of Poe's law. Credibility is finite, that's the problem with doing meta-debate, you can't ask to be not taken seriously when it suits you and seriously when it suits you.

[–]TW_CountryMusicanti-whimsy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

If you play that silly game where nobody can tell anymore if you are serious or in jest then you can't demand credibility to yourself when you try to make a point. I mean, you can, but you may have fallen to the ugly side of Poe's law. Credibility is finite, that's the problem with doing meta-debate, you can't ask to be not taken seriously when it suits you and seriously when it suits you.

It's not about "when it suits me," it's about the context specific to the sub. TBP is a circlejerk/satire sub and that's all it has ever claimed to be. However, that doesn't mean that a person who posts there occasionally cannot go to an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT SUB and engage in good faith. The purposes of the sub is totally different.

PPD was literally created as a place for /r/thebluepill and /r/theredpill posters to debate each other. If one side comes in declaring that they refuse to take the other side seriously from the outset because of the sub they post on, that is debating in bad faith. There's no two ways about it.

[–]PM_YOUR_BREASTS_ [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

So you think it is possible to have an honest debate with someone whose purpose is to mock you (and possibly doxx you). Then at what point it is just bait?

Look, you think you can be intelectually dishonest and hide it under the carpet because the sub is different. It doesn't work that way, that's smoke and mirrors, I'm sure you understand that. Yes, there are bad tactics.

[–]TW_CountryMusicanti-whimsy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So you think it is possible to have an honest debate with someone whose purpose is to mock you (and possibly doxx you).

That's not their purpose here, that's the point. It's the purpose of one sub that they spend a few minutes a day on. They come to this sub with an entirely different purpose (at least most do; there are some on both sides who come here specifically to troll and agitate. Personally I choose not to engage with those individuals. They're a minority and they're easy to spot.)

Look, you think you can be intelectually dishonest and hide it under the carpet because the sub is different. It doesn't work that way, that's smoke and mirrors, I'm sure you understand that. Yes, there are bad tactics.

Of course there are bad tactics, but if someone is not employing them HERE then I see no reason not to take that person seriously for the purposes of debate.

Like I said, the entire point of PPD is for people from the two subs to debate each other. If you're not going to take anyone seriously who posts to the opposing sub, then I don't see the point of even being here. But that's your prerogative.

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

LOL at the photo

[–]Yonderlander [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Haha, you haven't been in a Social services staff room. If we didn't joke about the car crashes we work seriously with, we'd go mad.

[–]bornredd [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yup, I think this post may be the end of my tenure in PPD.

I thought I was having interesting, meaningful, serious conversations about sex, relationships, dating, and social issues. But apparently all the TBP subscribers here think it's all a joke.

So long yall, thanks for all the fish.

[–]PemBaylissRed Pill Man [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not only do Blues think it's all a joke; they think you're a misogynist and a sexist. They have already prejudged you as having sinister motives and intent. You are a bad human being, acting in bad faith. Doesn't matter how intelligent your arguments are. You identify as Red, you are A Bad Human Being.

[–]Changes4175 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Same thing as /r/niceguys

[–]statsfodder [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TBP = cyber bullies. Rampant misandry protected because "satire". Shitty, gutless humans who provide nothing to society much like the 2 old guys on the balconey on the muppet show.

[–]KrispyMcSockingtonPillitical connection [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If it is not a serious debate or discussion sub, but the stuff still happens, why should anyone take their views seriously, especially here?

Why not separate it into two subs: TBP Satire and TBP Serious? It is actually asking a lot of people to take their views seriously as a BPer if their main reason for existing is satire. What happens when a serious post or an angry one pops up? And for a sub to dedicate itself to making fun of another seems pretty petty if they offer no alternatives.

Then they are just being assholes with an obsession for their target of ridicule. It's like a school bully secretly jealous of the kid they are tormenting because they cannot stand an alternate way of life that might work for someone else and so disprove their position. When someone tells him to stop being an asshole he says "Hey, I was only joking. Right, guys?" Pretty shallow and intellectually dishonest reasoning.

[–]CrazyTom54Blue Pill Dude [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Thank. You. Moderator.

I love you so much