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[–]Iokuas 341ポイント342ポイント  (62子コメント)

Mass Effect is in an entirely different genre, they're not comparable in the slightest.

[–]batty4life 127ポイント128ポイント  (22子コメント)

Now I'm waiting for them to compare NMS to Witcher 3 lol

[–]yaosio 82ポイント83ポイント  (14子コメント)

Did you know that you can ask for sex in The Witcher 3? Where's the mature sex situations in No Man's Sky?

[–]hopper325 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everywhere. There's creatures.

[–]Xeotroid 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Korvax romance when?

Vy'keen angry one night stand when?

[–]CalebTechnasis 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

Gex arranged marriage when?

[–]Absolutedisgrace 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

SlutGek

[–]bhillen83 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had a Vy'keen arranged marraige in NMS. Is this what you are referring to?

[–]PBR_Sheetz 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wanted to take my ship to Los Santos Customs but couldn't find one. What a shit game.

[–]Miadkins 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I mean we all kinda got fucked when we bought the game that didnt have all the features they said it would.

[–]Ripamaru 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

They both have bush!

[–]glob211505 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bring on the synthigek loving.

[–]shneb 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do dick monsters count?

[–]Sandvicheater -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where's the mature sex situations in No Man's Sky?

What you didn't feel your wallet being fucked over after several hours of gameplay?

[–]TerraYB 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm waiting for people to call NMS souls like.

[–]CalebTechnasis 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The space combat can burst you dead, it's dangerous to heal in combat, and you have to return to where you died to get your stuff back.

[–]LX_Theo 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Anything to hate on the hip new thing to hate on.

[–]ph0on 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/u/ifaptoyoueverynight pls do this and see how many upvotes it gets

[–]moonshoeslol 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well they were both $60 dollar games on launch and in one you can see you can really see where the money went into making you a quality experience while the other not nearly as much. I get that Hello games is a small team that didn't have all of the assets of CDPR, but they are both selling a game at the same price point. That is enough to compare.

[–]batty4life 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's Sony's fault not Hello games. If they had marketed this as the $20 indie game that it is no one would have been this upset.

[–]Raka_ 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they both have planets... also lets throw in littlebig planet.

[–]Rombledore 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Metal Gear Solid did stealth way better than NMS.

[–]radioheady 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's true, but let's not forget the tedious, boring, copy-pasted planets from the first Mass Effect. It would be cool to see procedural generation as a supplement to a more structured game, like having NMS-type planets as areas for sidequests in ME or if GTA/Assassins Creed had procedurally generated interiors for all or most of their buildings, so any chase or fight could potentially start moving through houses and stores (but all important locations could still be hand-crafted)

[–]InMySafeSpace 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Random generation gives me a serious chub, and no man sky delivers on that.

Other than that, it's a mediocre alpha of a game

[–]Linked-Theory 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also mass effect was made by a massive established company with 100s of employees in each studio. Meanwhile no mans sky had maybe 15-20 people.

[–]TheColostomizer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But they were both priced as AAA games, so it's fair to hold NMS to a similar standard.

[–]WorkChroi 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

True. One actually belongs to a genre and the other is a glorified tech demo, waiting to have something reminiscent of a genre attached to it.

[–]Heroshade 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed. This is stupid.

[–]Tycmxc 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand the concept of fps, sandbox, exploration etc....But at the end of the day you play a video game to feel like a part of the world/universe generated by the game developers. In Witcher 3 you play it because you feel like you are part of that fantasy world. Mass effect makes you feel like a space explorer captain. Mario transports you to a world that tickles your heart. it doesnt matter what TYPE of game it, its the overarching feeling of actually making a connection with the universe in which you are placed into. Whatever genre or type you define No Mans Sky doesnt change the fact that the game failed to generate a compelling connection to countless players. Whats worse, the developers wished out-loud to the public stories of grander that never became apparent in the final product. Play any GOOD procedual generated game such as minecraft, daggerfall...hell play the original 1980 Rogue and then i think people will realize how shallow No Mans Sky actually is.

[–]PuddingTalks -4ポイント-3ポイント  (15子コメント)

are you honestly saying you can't compare two games? that's quite ignorant, my friend.

[–]InKainWeTrust 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Some games are pointless to compare. Like Mario 64 and GTA. You can compare them but that would be stupid. Like comparing a linear RPG shooter to a space exploration game. Pointless, besides being in space they don't have much in common.

[–]PuddingTalks 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

I understand what you are saying but you can break down core game components and mechanics and compare them. that's why a game like mario 64 is still talked about in the year 2016.

[–]InKainWeTrust -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yes but the only thing that was compared here was planets, nothing more. So what's the point?

[–]almightySapling 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

No. Number of planets was compared for the purposes of making a joke about the comparison of overall quality.

I highly doubt the OP actually was attempting to say ME3 was better due to any particular feature of the planets themselves.

[–]Optimisticchris 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn dude never would of thought of that, I guess we need to put /s in everything now.

[–]Dynomeru 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

every game is incomparable because logic

[–]Iokuas 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, I'm saying it's stupid to compare completely different games with completely different gameplay, content and goals.

[–]Joob39 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

ya where were those goals in NMS?? ;)

[–]413729220 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe the point was that there isn't an important goal? Maybe the point (as cliche as it sounds) wasn't the destination, but the journey?

Not everything needs to be a masterpiece of storytelling.

[–]SilverMars 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apples and oranges.

[–]wssxsupernova 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no comparison between NMS and Mass Effect. Mass effect has devolved from an action RPG to a third person shooter with a fairly linear story. Hardly any of those concepts are present in NMS.

There is however a comparision between Minecraft and NMS. They are both indie games, both are a free to explore sandbox, and both introduce procedurally generated worlds mixed with crafting systems. Also neither have a true "end" to the game.

If we all remember Minecraft, in the beginning, had alot of ups and downs. Through constant postive feedback and support from the community, the small company Mojang was able to create a game that nearly every single person who has ever touched gaming has heard of and played.

Simply put, maybe we, as a community, should cut NMS development team a little slack. Don't be to quick to jump off the bandwagon because they have already created a beautifully generated game with the potential to be much more than it is now.

[–]IsaacClarkeSNL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That doesn't make sense!

[–]thrownaway4arainyday 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are absolutely comparable - people can argue about which has the worst "ending."

[–]MrTastey -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Both of you are right

[–]TuckRaker 100ポイント101ポイント  (17子コメント)

Fewer goddamn it.

[–]Schmelvan 7ポイント8ポイント  (15子コメント)

I saw this being mentioned in another post recently - is there a sincere difference between less and fewer? In this context it would seem that both words work. Sorry if this is obvious but I'm genuinely curious.

[–]Pepperman94 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you can count the things: you use fewer, if you cant: use less.

For example. I have less money than you. I have fewer dollars than you

[–]looples 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you guys aren't wrong, but only in the sense of proper grammar. In terms of communication it still works fine. The less/fewer distinction is kind of moot in modern communication, especially on a website where everyone knew exactly what OP intended.

[–]TuckRaker 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/less-or-fewer less does not work here

[–]CcrLyaSrtIatLy 4ポイント5ポイント  (11子コメント)

Fewer refers to something that can (at least theoretically) be absolutely counted, less is a relative comparison of more abstract concepts. Using "less" in this context is as incorrect (and annoying) as saying "I got fewer enjoyment playing No Man's Sky than I did from Mass Effect."

[–]patrunic -4ポイント-3ポイント  (10子コメント)

The funny thing about language is that it changes with generations. The use of less in place of fewer is becoming so common that one can argue it has taken on the meaning of fewer.

I guarantee soon enough in the future it will be a perfectly acceptable usage.

[–]SteveIzHxC 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

No. Ignorance shouldn't demand change. There is a distinct place in the language for both words, describing countable/discrete quantities and uncountable/abstract/continuous quantities.

[–]Jermo48 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

But what value does that add? As it is now, one is always wrong. It doesn't add any additional meaning to a sentence, at least not any sentences I can think of. "You have less dollars than him" doesn't mean something different than "you have fewer dollars than him", one is simply incorrect.

I'm completely against language changing in illogical or negative ways (like irregardless not only becoming a word, but becoming a word that means literally the exact opposite of what any rational human would think it means), but this isn't one of those times. This is like who/whom. Two words that can be replaced by one word with absolutely no value lost.

[–]patrunic 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you're just decrying the evolution of language through actual usage then.

Do you still use gay to mean happy? Do you still use decimate to mean to kill 1 in every 10 exclusively?

I can name thousands of instances in numerous languages that have changed through usage to acquire new meanings and it has next to nothing to do with ignorance.

厘 used to mean 1/1000 of a yen way back when and now means something tiny. It's usage has changed to include the colloquially or commonly used definition.

So no, stop screaming against the progress of time in the evolution of a language.

[–]VortexMagus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly this. Ain't used to be completely wrong and english teachers would mark you off if you used it. Now it's even in the dictionary.

Language is a thing that changes based on the people using it. It's not a thing with distinct and permanent rules.

[–]Brandwein -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

True. Could be synonymous in a few years. Official dictionaries have already often changed due to popular language changing. Its actually the other way around often. Dictionaries fit themselves to popular language instead of people following dictionaries.

[–]patrunic 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Exactly. So many people think language is a concrete thing that has existed forever with no changes, when you can see so many obvious examples from the past 20 years alone.

Sadly Reddit is inhabited by people who demand traditionalist grammar and downvote shit that goes against their view

[–]SuckMyGiantDogDick -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is a difference between evolution of language and incorrect usage.

[–]patrunic 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is. This isn't one. Incorrect would be something that deals with hard facts - saying that 99 is 100 is incorrect or that something red is blue.

Having less communicate the meaning of fewer is not since nearly every English speaker knows exactly what you mean.

[–]Gammapod 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is that difference?

[–]wioneo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't all new usages in one stage of the evolution of a language be incorrect in the previous stage?

[–]MrNazgul -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Searched for this. Thank you!

[–]yaosio 30ポイント31ポイント  (7子コメント)

Hold on a second, I thought we hate Mass Effect 3. What happened?

[–]Hobospartan 32ポイント33ポイント  (3子コメント)

We found something new to hate.

[–]PM-Dat_Ass 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

only the ending.

[–]y2jeff 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

ME3 wasn't great but I think most of the hate stems from it not living up to ME2 - one of the best games I've ever played.

On it's own merits ME3 was decent. Yes the ending was terrible, yes Shepards dream sequences of the kid were totally unneccesary and OOC for a man who butchered 3/4 of his forces on Torfan, yes the overall story was pretty shit and didn't make sense - but I could play ME3 for 20 hours and still enjoy almost all of that time. Can anyone say the same for NMS? After a few hours of gameplay you have already seen all the game has to offer. Unless they release a shitload more content for NMS and come through on a lot of their earlier promises, the game is a huge disappointment.

[–]voi26 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still do. I'm never going to let that go.

[–]rjmacready 52ポイント53ポイント  (3子コメント)

This comparison is stupid.

[–]watevrits2009 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's because they are both space games maybe? So I guess add dead space, Metroid, starocean, and destiny to the comparison.

[–]Flipdatswitch -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

you explore planets in Mass Effect, especially in 1 and those planets are much better than what you find in NMS

[–]SamSlate 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

18 quadrillion times the budget 😒

[–]Nickstar24 29ポイント30ポイント  (1子コメント)

/r/Gamingcirclejerk is leaking again...

[–]OnTheJobRedditor 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sub outjerks them by miles

[–]CAP1TAN_RON 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

classic shit post

[–]crotchsockit 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not only are these games not at all alike, there are dozens of boring, barren planets in Mass Effect that you had to go to for side quests.

[–]BigpipeNZ 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

*fewer planets. Not 'less' planets.

[–]Hello00808 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Comparing apples to oranges man

[–]woskful 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can this no man's sky wait? I'm in the middle of some calibrations.

[–]GrenadierOzlaoj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am Garrus Vakarian and this is my rectum.

[–]Python2k10 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're not even remotely in the same genre, come the fuck on.

[–]Shodid 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Starbound or Elite: Dangerous would be a better comparison to No Man's Sky

[–]SupaBloo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But...but...every game has less planets than NMS...

[–]NUMBER7777777 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

About 18,446,744,073,709,551,516 times different.

[–]pesoaek 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

why do people compare these two? this is like the 3rd post in a few days. they are completely different genres. not to mention I think mass effect is like slightly above average at best.

[–]Xeotroid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Duh, they're both sci-fi in space and aliens and starships and shooting, duuuh. /s

[–]rickarooo 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quality>Quantity

Yet we get 25 shitposts everyday about a game everyone hates. Good job there, buddy.

[–]mrgreaper 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

Not really, just different, no man's sky is a big huge massive open world game, mass effect is a story line game, sadly it's more linear then one would hope :(
Both damn good games ofcourse

[–]stalkingpineapple 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

Linear does not mean bad.

[–]pesoaek -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is a pointless statement, you could also say linear makes a game horrible. you can't go around posting your opinion as if it is a fact

[–]Jermo48 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

"damn good" is definitely not an accurate description of No Man's Sky, whether or not you enjoy it.

[–]Almostlongenough2 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not sure there can be an "accurate description" of something purely subjective.

[–]Jermo48 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Game quality is hardly purely subjective, no matter how much this subreddit wants it to be. You can objectively evaluate graphical quality (not art direction), stability, amount of content, diversity of content, bugginess, etc..

Beyond that, there are certain concessions rational adults can make with regards to how we describe things. A game that only one 5 year old who had never played another game enjoyed can certainly accurately be described as horrendous. Some of us are capable of setting aside our own subjective view of things and realizing that something we may like is clearly just not good based on looking at the objective aspects, reviews and popular opinion. If critics don't like it, I can't point to many non-subjective positives and the general population doesn't enjoy it, it's not a good game and calling it one is disingenuous.

I like Survivor. It's crap television.

[–]Raymi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

you can't consider graphic quality without considering art direction. what objective comparison are you going to make, polygon count? sucks for a game like rodina or minecraft.

[–]mrgreaper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I see what you meant now....ummm no, a games quality is purely subjective, to me no man's sky is.... That term you dislike..sorry...damn good. You may disagree and say it's crap, and neither your opinion or mine would be wrong.

[–]mrgreaper 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't really have the time to write a full blown review so I figured damn good would suffice, it's let down by some tech issues (after 20 odd hours on the ps4 I brought it on the pc and I'm good knows how many hours in but have developed a crash bug) but they will be fixed, the game itself is....damn good, well worth the money. OK hopefully my small elaboration on damn good will suffice as I'm gonna get back to gaming lol

[–]CalculonsPride 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love the Mass Effect series but it doesn't have the "just boot up and play"-ability of a normal open world game. It doesn't even really feel like an open world; it feels like a series of levels connected by a central hub being your ship. There really isn't much to do besides the story. Granted, it's an amazing story (I didn't even hate the end that much), but it's definitely not comparable to most other true open world games.

[–]OJSamson 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

1 sure 2&3... Well I haven't played no man sky's

[–]Honda_TypeR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The no man's sky dev team must be still calibrating

[–]RC1206-Fierfek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm shocked that this isn't /u/ifaptoyoueverynight.

[–]Scaasic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"It's better"

Hot spoonful of opinion.

[–]CrustyCouch 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No man's sky was overhyped for no reason at all. That was the issue

[–]ZeCoreGamer 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What game is that?

[–]MrShawnatron 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't remember how many hours I spent collecting resources until planets were depleted in Mass Effect 2. Something about me being somewhat of a completionist, but for some reason I really just could not pass up a planet if it wasn't already absolutely sucked dry.

[–]SpeedyTurtle0 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But who's counting..... right?

[–]Whiskiz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

12yo's only throw their money at quality graphics and promises though, not actual quality gameplay.

[–]danivus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fewer

[–]Gaddid 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Garrus knows what's up

[–]SuperDonkeyR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

In terms of gameplay and rpg element I agree. In terms of exploration I 100% disagree. But I suppose that's what happens when you come up with a random post to try and jump on the hate bandwagon in order to feel like you're part of "the cool kids". Maybe compare 2 games that are in a similar category. Like Subnautica vs No man's Sky, then you'll have a decent comparison and Subnautica is miles better.

[–]GtaHov 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's sad that people have nothing better to do than sit on a gaming forum and hate on something. If a bitching sim ever comes out you guys are gonna lose yourselves.

[–]314stachio 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only one had a massive protest by the fans where an entirely different ending was made.
Edit: Not to be disparaging, its a great series

[–]DJSkrillex -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, nms is so stupid amirite?

[–]imapirateking -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did something happen to make us all like Mass Effect again

[–]stuff_rulz -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmmm, if people are bummed out about No Mans Sky, come check out Star Citizen. It's hard to sum up that game, it's so vast... I'll call it a Space Sim and has a lot of the elements that people were excited with in No Mans Sky, I believe. It's still early in development so it might not be there yet, but it's coming.

Here's a pretty long video with upcoming content for this year.

[–]garythegreg -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fewer, I love mass effect so much, but it's fewer planets.

[–]Dynomeru -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

IF QUALITY IS BETTER THAN QUANTITY WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE NMS DISAPPOINTMENT MEMES JESUS GTFO

edit: cos words and all-caps and stuff

[–]UnjustMurder 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"If Quality is better than quality" Yea you're probly right.

[–]Dynomeru 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't think in caps... only type

[–]ahchx -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

even with the terrible sad ending (ME3) still its best than many games, not only that clusterfuck NMS.

[–]D3s_ToD3s -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you refering to the biggest disappointment of 2012?

[–]ForscythBrazilliance -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So there are 0 planets in Mass Effect?

[–]skiress -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're comparing an Indie game to a AAA. Are you retarded?

[–]UnjustMurder 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes but NMS sold for AAA price. If it was ~20 bills people wouldn't be complaining -AS BAD-

[–]skiress 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I agree 60 bucks for an indie game its crazy even though these two cannot be compared.