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[–]Rudd-X 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think that essentially you are correct. All the people who were trustworthy in the Tor project are being pushed out, and really sleazy identity politickers and rumor spreaders are taking their place.

It's sad, but it's the truth.

[–]Question_Tiny[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

I need Tor... I hope it survives.

[–]pwforgetter 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's open source, hard to kill. It could lose velocity, but it would be a lot better to judge that based on changelists per week than on politics and tweets.

[–]Question_Tiny[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Code is hard to kill but the network could die down

[–]pwforgetter -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only a few parts of the network are run by them though? The relays are done by external parties.

Anyway, as long as their servers are running, and no shitty changelists get submitted, this whole accusation (of infiltration) is similar bull shit as any other wild inflammatory remarks/accusations.

If a discussion like this causes one new developer to not start working on it, believing all this identity-nsa infiltration, you've hurt the project already.

So, it might be that some of the people here are actually professional Russian social-media spammers, abusing the situation to make tor unloved, therefore insignificant.

You should be paranoid every way possible. And run a tor-node, and write code instead of suspicions.

[–]scrubadub 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as nickm and arma are still writing code, tor will be fine.

Plus with people like Matt blaze and Bruce schneier on the new board, I don't think it is getting taken over

[–]debridezilla -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

all the people...it's the truth.

who can argue with logic like that?

[–]h3xpl01t 19ポイント20ポイント  (6子コメント)

Dude, this is exactly what I've been thinking. I actually came here to make a very similar post (although I was going to point to a few articles and open letters from members of the Tor Project to point out how Jake is most likely innocent of the charges being levied against him). This all reeks of a CIA/NSA infiltration. Not to mention, most of the new board are staunchly anti-WikiLeaks, which most likely points to their backgrounds.

I truly fear for the future of Tor at this point. With many key members forced out, and the remaining ones acting incredibly suspect, I'm thinking someone should start backing up the source and maybe develop a fork or something. Or maybe a mass-migration over to i2p (god knows they could stand to have a larger userbase). I don't know what the answer is, but I'm pretty sure the future of Tor is going to be interesting to say the least...

[–]JettaGLi16v 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hell yeah, come on over to i2p! We have TORRENTS!!

[–]Bacon_Kitteh9001 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Would torrenting over i2p prevent any ISP letters?

[–]h3xpl01t 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. The only thing is, i2p works a little bit differently than Tor. You can't just grab a torrent off TPB and throw it into your preferred i2p torrent client (well you could, but there would be no guarantee that there would be any peers). You can only connect to other i2p peers while torrenting through i2p, so it makes more sense to use one of the trackers available through i2p so you have a much higher chance of finding seeders and other peers.

Apologies if my response is a bit convoluted or hard to understand, its like 6am here and I need to get some sleep haha.

[–]Question_Tiny[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

It all seems suspicious and it is our duty to ask these questions and demand answers from those representing Tor still.

[–]BigNibbles 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

While I agree it is important to ask these questions, I don't really trust the remaining people in Tor internal to tell the truth. This whole situation (among other things) has caused me to lose all trust in the Tor Project. Unfortunately, I think that might have been the plan. Someone outside the project is pulling the puppet strings.

Sorry if my tin foil hat is too shiny but I really do feel this way.

[–]Question_Tiny[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's ok to question, the gov is the one who doesn't want us asking questions like this. I would have a hard time believing the Tor project without solid facts to back them up too. Even if the plan isn't to put a backdoor in Tor, the plan may be to cause enough distrust that the project dies out and the public rejects Tor.

[–]radmind 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are alternative darknets, check out i2p and retroshare. Stay under the radar, and let TOR follow whichever trajectory it is headed.

[–]Question_Tiny[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Sorry for bad English, not my first language.

[–]ForboElMysterio 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

You honestly write better than many people whose first language is English. Congrats, I couldn't even tell.

[–]Question_Tiny[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks I do know it but sometimes my mind slips and my grammar becomes odd

[–]AcaciaBlue 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I haven't been following closely but I am hearing a whole lot of drama and not so much about technical issues or security when those are what I should be hearing when I look up TOR.. So I'm not sure about any conspiracy but I do feel like they are not exactly on topic. Less social complaints more focus on the software please.

[–]JustAnOldSoviet 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I hope not, i see the future and it seems terrible.

[–]Question_Tiny[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me too, I need Tor to say what's on my mind without fear of being jailed or worse. Freedom of speech and digital privacy/freedom are all I care about, and I don't want Tor to become a tool that restricts either of those in any way ever.

[–]Drapeau_Noir[🍰] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

buzzwords and identity politics

[–]rspeed 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of people who always talk about how they "hate drama".

[–]Nusr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I2pd is the fuuture of I2p

[–]67uythdgf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. Tor started as a communication tool for the US army. The original threat model was an operative in a hostile country with monitored communication networks that had to relay information securely without compromising his position, identity, or the message. Hidden services ware developed to protect the location of the receiving party (base) in case the operator or the channel was compromised. The difference with a VPN or other similar technologies was that there where no permanent gateways for the adversary to detect, log, or block. The downside of this was that a hostile country that did traffic both at the edge of the network as well as the international backbones at its borders could detect easily the user of tor since back then almost everything was send without encryption. The solution was crowd-sourced noise traffic. This is why tor choose to as a target group for its advertisement people under undemocratic regimes that limit freedom of speech.

Tor was never meant to be a mesh network with anarchy as a structure like we like to believe that it is. Tor has discovery directories, sticky entry guards, blacklisted nodes and preferential exit node selection. The network is controlled by whoever is in control of the selection algorithm. If the tor board said to the contributors to jump they had to jump other wise we now know that they would be accused of rape, humiliated publicly and who knows what else.

Truth is that Tor Inc. lost control of the users of the network some time ago and now they want it back. The noise and the drama is just a way to confuse the public and get ride of undesired elements, purists and the ethical few. In addition it is a grate way to forget about the cloudflare issue.

Tor was never meant to be a tool against a global adversary like NATO, and anyone that tried to change that has faced a wall.

Forking Tor is not that difficult, creating a community around it without the secret budget of the DoD for PR is the real challenge.

I2P is not a replacement for Tor unless Eepsites become the next WWW, but it might be better for DNM. i2pd might be the way to go.

This is what my intuition tells me about tor at the moment, i hope that i am proven wrong.

[–]AlDatsun 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I disagree in the aspects of "enemies of Tor" planning this. Occam's razor says it is the unnecessary part:

  • Tor is mostly funded by the US Gov't as OPSEC tool, this gives it immense advantage in the FLOSS and privacy communities -- they have money. Tor being a privacy tool also gives it strong positiion in the leftist politics / NGO circles.

  • This makes Tor a vortex of money and political power. Appelbaum knew this and played this for his personal goals: having a rockstar status getting laid a lot (personally, I don't see anything wrong with this) and pushing his political agenda of privacy and Wikileaks (again, nothing wrong with it, this is what one gets involved in policy, politics and NGO-s, the only problem I have is that now Wikileaks are in bed with Putin).

  • Some other people wanted that status and fun and money for themselves. And some other people wanted him down because he scorned them in some way, as he was a major asshole.

  • So they got together and took him down. No need for JTRIG or COINTELPRO plot for that, it is just money and power grab by SJW circles. They have a sort of playbook for that, see sir Tim Hunt's case.

[–]rek2gnulinux -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

100% agree. I stop using TOR like 1-2 years a go I2P FTW... I dont care if it has not exit point.. even better.

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[–]Nusr -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tor is open source everyone can developed

[–]unicorntrash 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

but the community is toxic at this point, nobody is going to spend their valuable coding time to discuss some stupid gender topics.