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[–]barret232hxc 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

I love Jim and I agree this community has been pretty harsh. I had a buddy playing the game asked a question online and got ridiculed. It was about not having the hyperdrive blueprint b/c of the pre-order ship and he bought a new ship after over 20 hours of play that didn't have a hyperdrive not knowing. anyways I find the game enjoyable and know others don't but the hate has to stop

[–]le_benis 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

It goes both ways. People need to stop calling the game "objectively bad" because it's great for what it is. It's not okay to call NMS fans "sheep who fell for an overhyped meme game." Lots of people truly enjoy it and got what they expected.

It was a janky launch though. So complain about specific aspects of the game; complain about bugs. But please don't try to convince someone that they like it for the wrong reasons.

[–]barret232hxc 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah even Sean says the game might not be for everyone. I do wish everyone could enjoy it at the same level as me. That's just how I am about anything I truly love. I will try to share and promote it and let others know, but if it's not their thing than that's perfectly fine.

http://www.no-mans-sky.com/2016/08/what-do-you-do-in-no-mans-sky/

[–]pushpoploc 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Objectively.... it's pretty bad when you look at how poorly they made the PC version. Like... horrible. Specific aspects I can complain about are mainly the unnecessarily long accomplishment screens. It sets you back like 10 seconds every time. The overall performance of the entire game is a shit-show. Like, I couldn't say it's a good game even if I tried to like it because overall the experience is shit when playing on PC no matter how great your configuration is. I've been able to run some of the most demanding titles to date on ultra at 1080p and higher, and this indie title's bad optimization has put an end to that streak.

So when people complain about how bad the game is, don't take it personally as though you'd had something to do with the game, other than praising it even before it came out (99% of the NMS fandom) Sure, the concept of the game is amazing, and I will agree to that extent. Outside that, I don't think it's cool or even sane to damage control games like these that screw over the consumers. Especially for sake of trying to make a game feel as though it's worth your time and this weird sense of pride in sticking to your guns with a game even when it's shown to kind of just suck in a lot of aspects. I had a better time playing the launch Batman Arkham Knight on PC than I had with this and all it's "fixes".

So, yeah. I can't stand the game at this point. It's gotten to the level of hype where it makes me almost cringe seeing people desperately trying to damage control with these very obvious posts, and comments, that try and tell people it's a good game. Like, we can tell when someone's being a little over the top JUST to damage control.

TLDR; Game is shit. Concept is cool. Horrible execution for a launch. And I hate the damage control screwing the rational consumer over.

[–]DigitalSpace-D 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

TLDR; Game is shit. Concept is cool. Horrible execution for a launch. And I hate the damage control screwing the rational consumer over.

It's not shit though. The concept is cool. It's a buggy launch for a lot of people with the promise of being fixed soon and let's not act like the launch and the hype explosion aren't the cause of the negativity. Jim is right- this is a game to be lukewarm about at worst, there's nothing even remotely offensive about it in terms of quality outside of the minor technical issues. I think your bit about "screwing over the rational consumer" is bullshit, if consumers were so rational about this game then why do we have such a massive uproar over this when they were never ever compelled to give their money up front? Seems irrational.

[–]le_benis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're doing it again. You have to realize that some people are enjoying the game as normal.

I've had it crash twice in like 45 hours on PS4, and it performs relatively well. It's very one-sided to suggest that I'm defending the game blindly for the sake of "sticking to my guns."

And like I said, if you are having trouble, you should complain about bugs. How do you get to tell me how I should feel about the game?

[–]Fatwhale 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

It goes both ways. People need to stop calling the game "objectively bad" because it's great for what it is.

Great for what it is, yes. A game where you explore planets with very little gameplay. With more or less the same planets and animals on every couple of planets.

Great for what it was SUPPOSED to be, from all the interviews and comments by the developer and the trailers? God no.

[–]le_benis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A game where you explore planets with very little gameplay. With more or less the same planets and animals on every couple of planets.

watching a stream does not count as playing the game, and you should feel bad about this comment.

[–]DigitalSpace-D 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every second you're interacting with the game is "gameplay". I'm really tired of this whole shtick of calling sequences in games where you're not shooting at something or jumping that you're not actually playing the game.

[–]DonnyDarko89 19ポイント20ポイント  (28子コメント)

He makes a great point about Hype culture. The devs win by releasing broken overhyped games, the news sites win with clicks from negative reviews or praising the game. The consumers are the only ones who get screwed.

[–]DigitalSpace-D 15ポイント16ポイント  (10子コメント)

His most important point about hype culture is that it's inspiring immature, inflammatory, and truly awful behavior from truly awful people who buy into it wholeheartedly and perpetuate it and then blame other people for it. Marketing and selling products in literally any other industry doesn't inspire this level of insipid childish madness.

I don't think he can pin this on PR or advertising. Like come on. Games companies certainly aren't responsible for gamer culture that repeatedly targets and harasses them for barely a reason.

[–]retnuh730 8ポイント9ポイント  (8子コメント)

Earnestness isn't appreciated anymore in regards to gaming. Negativity is so much easier to get validation from on the internet. Being cynical about everything leads you to want to be "right" i.e. every game that people are excited or enthusiastic about is actually shitty. It's sad. I had to leave this sub for a while at launch because I was so disappointed in the lack of enthusiasm because I had a great time playing the night before. Glad to see it's trending back into the positive discussion about the game.

[–]DigitalSpace-D 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

The whole "cynical gamer" thing is so played out. I'm really bummed it's spanning further out than the regular "Totalbiscuit" crowd of negative creeps. It's like a culture of people trying to be Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons without any degree of self awareness. I don't tell people outside of a circle of friends that I play games with any degree of enthusiasm because it's embarrassing to admit to these days by association.

I'm happy discussing the game with everyone in real life who likes the game, then I go on the internet and people are still mad over yesterday's news instead of moving on to other hobbies, games, interests, or topics of discussion. Or just playing the game because it probably works for them and they haven't even tried the fixes everyone knows about.

[–]Krstoserofil 1ポイント2ポイント  (6子コメント)

When a mass of people is pushing everyone else into liking the game and insisting it will be the best thing ever, then you have to expect backlash, simple as that.

[–]DigitalSpace-D 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

You're describing the same group of immature children who have nothing to complain about, simple as that.

Who was violently trying to persuade people to like the game from the start anyways? I have literally no idea what point you're trying to make.

[–]Krstoserofil 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't know have you been on the internet from the moment NMS was announced, its fanbase has been toxic, overzealous and full of mob mentality.

Don't you know about the whole "death threats" to that Kotaku journalist and Sean Murray himself because of a slight delay? For example I have never heard of Overwatch fans or Battlefield fans swarming other people like that.

[–]DigitalSpace-D 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not everyone has an insatiable KiA fueled hate boner for this game, one way or another.

I know about the death threat bullshit. This is bigger than just No Man's Sky or this release. People absolutely would've sent threats to bigger organizations if they were as accessible as Sean Murray was and they frequently do. It's the same subset of people that feel the need to threaten people over the latest Ghostbusters movie or over the Harry Potter play's casting. Marc Maron put it best when he called this whole subculture "unfuckable hate nerds"- that's literally who these people are. It has nothing to do with NMS specifically and everything to do with giving a spoiled teenager a keyboard and internet connection during Summer break and having other spoiled teenagers egg them on until that's literally all of gaming culture in a nutshell.

You can't act like it's fans of the game who are spewing this negativity, literally everywhere other than here you're downvoted for saying that you like the game or for posting a positive review of it. You're more in the hate-baby subset of people than you'd probably like to admit.

[–]retnuh730 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Overwatch fans threw a shitfit over modifying a characters pose and made porn of that character out of spite.

That tracer shit was ridiculous

[–]DigitalSpace-D 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

People definitively threw a fit over BF4 as well.

[–]Krstoserofil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That was politics, but Overwatch fans are not crucifying you if you dare to criticize the game, in fact they themselves do it all the time!

[–]ProceduralGoat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Did you watch his video? He's just as inflammatory and immature as the kids he's mocking.

[–]rdhight 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Very true. People make money from hype without ever typing a line of code. A game like Final Fantasy XV may not have made any money for Square yet, but it's been making money for news sites for 10 years. It's not just devs or publishers; a lot of other people out there also stand to benefit financially from us getting our hopes up.

[–]DonnyDarko89 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is no reason to news sites to question claims from devs at all. They just accept them and pass the hype on then cash in with the devs. It blows.

They get way more hits on hyping games then they do on games that don't get hyped to hell.

[–]DigitalSpace-D 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't get the criticism. Persuasive media has always been a thing around consumer products. Video games seem to be the only one where people simultaneously don't like product media and yet consume every word of it without discretion, then lash out when that lack of discretion backfires. Or less than that, they consume a bunch of words and form half-baked conclusions about said products without any prompting from the media or developers themselves (see: this game).

I can't blame news sites for getting hits on speculative articles about consumer products- it's just a very, very stark contrast when you're talking about reactions to "The iPhone 7 doesn't have headphone ports" and "No Man's Sky might have base building!".

[–]iwearadiaper 1ポイント2ポイント  (13子コメント)

" broken " in the case of NMS it certainly is not a broken game. The Division, umbrella Corp, thise are broken game. They work like shit for months on EVERY platfirms for everyone. The game having some difficulties for some users while the devs are working on it is not a broken game, it's a game with some issues for some people that will get settled with time. Learn the difference people.

[–]DonnyDarko89 4ポイント5ポイント  (12子コメント)

A game crashing constantly, running like crap on a 1080 card and i7, losing saves is not broken.. OKAY...

[–]ThatTaffer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not sure why its getting downvoted. You are fuckin right. I love this game, but this is a valid criticism that needs to be dealt with.

[–]iwearadiaper 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Here again you speak like if it was happening to 100% of the players on every sitting. Give me one game, no matter the platform that had a perfect launch with no issues. We are not even a week into the launch of the game, PS4/PC wise.

[–]DonnyDarko89 -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

I have never seen a game launch where the freaking dev releases an alpha branch build of the game and says here try this out!! here is a build we are currently working on because the games not finished yet!

[–]iwearadiaper 0ポイント1ポイント  (8子コメント)

So you don't know about the Division right? 5 months later it still has day one bugs on every platforms. Drama queen much.

[–]Fatwhale 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Can you tell me about one other game that has had this many performance issue and random crashes for A TON OF PEOPLE, besides arkham knight?

[–]iwearadiaper [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

AGAIN. The Division, since day one, to 5 months later. ON ALL PLATFORMS.

[–]Fatwhale [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You do realize that bugs are not the same as "game crashes on launch" or terrible FPS on the best available graphics card in a game with really mediocre graphics? I sadly can't find those thousands of users reporting terrible performance with the best systems there currently are. Can you point me to them?

[–]DigitalSpace-D -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

No- because it's not nearly on the same scale as Arkham Knight no matter what a Youtuber says.

[–]Fatwhale -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://steamcommunity.com/app/275850/reviews/?filterLanguage=english

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1261995

Are you sure?

Coupled with the fact that the game brings your CPU usage to 100% while flying in the orbit of a planet, shit FPS, TERRIBLE optimization and barely a difference between ultra and low graphic settings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkkuCPBJqrg

[–]DigitalSpace-D [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yep, I'm pretty sure. I would be repeating myself about a dozen times over at this point to say why I am.

[–]JustAnAverageTree 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the things I love most about Jim Sterling is how he always has a stress on "I'm talking about these people, not you." I would think for it to be easy to just say "No Mans Sky fans" in general, but I super appreciate how he mentions right off the bat he's talking about the extremist sub-set. Also he doesn't hold entitlement to his opinion, again stressing "If you are happy with your $60 purchase, then I'm more than happy for you."

[–]PM_your_randomthing 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, ok his review of the game was irritating to me, but this was so spot on. I've hated coming to this subreddit recently. It's eased up since a few workarounds have been introduced, but seriously, so many frothy bitches.

[–]germanbloger 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jim talks about how the game is boring so the video is bad. /s

[–]Smash880 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this takes off, I'm curious to see the comments. That way I will know who watched this video and who didn't.

[–]everadvancing 8ポイント9ポイント  (6子コメント)

Looks like there are a lot of No Man Boys downvoting the post.

[–]oopsforgotmyusername 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

So the comments in this thread is a perfect example of this bit here in the video.

Both sides of the zealot-coin are evident right here right now.

[–]ProceduralGoat [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Some reviewers use Metacritic to draw attention to themselves. The 2 best ways to get noticed are to have an extreme score (because metacritic shows the extremes by default), and to be the first to review (because there is no other content). It just so happens that he has a score tied with the lowest, and he was the first to post. Is he showing journalistic integrity, or is he being opportunistic at the expense of Hello Games?

Of course some fans of the game have behaved badly... If you look at fans of anything, there will be a small subset of assholes and this video is just antagonizing them. He's just restating the obvious. He's stirring up drama to draw attention to himself. I'm not a fan.

[–]vs-akr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The saddest thing about this video is that there is no FucKonami news. Everything else is top notch.

[–]KaneHart 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He fucked up though about asking people to find a proxy god... People will and have picked Sean Murray for this haha.

[–]ModernWarBear -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree with everything he said but man that outfit is so cringe inducing.

[–]histomiah -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like I would take anything this fuck said seriously. Anyone wearing a clown mobster suit has nothing to offer society.

[–]PlayBCL -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I definitely agree with what he's saying but does he have to come across as a pretentious failed English Lang major douche in his "inspiring" speeches?

[–]staypositiveasshole -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have never heard of this guy. Why does he think shitting on shitty people is anything other than shitty?

[–]postingcrap -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ironic

[–]Chunkypack -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't it.... Ironic. Like raieyain on your wed-ding day