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[Opinion] Why can't we drop Rooney? (self.reddevils)

mcbazza が 投稿

I know Rooney is a club hero and all that but I believe that we'd do better without him. Put Tony V or Zlatan or even Bailly as captain as they are such characters on the pitch and can guide a team to victory

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[–]TelcarSolskjær 38ポイント39ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zlatan og Bailly as captain? are you joking?

[–]GroteBergMan98Memphis 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bailly doesn't even speak English

[–]fmc96 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ffs I found this so funny for some reason.

[–]lotteriakfc 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

no need to speaking. He can pinging anywhere on the map.

Oh wait wrong sub ...

[–]Rolling_TomassiShaw 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Put Zlatan or Bailly as captain? Are you plain dense or what?

Noone walks into United a captain.

[–]RVallant 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Modern day fans! >_>

[–]grad14uc 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Do you think the reason Rooney gave the armband to Blind yesterday was just to avoid wasting time? I'm just curious to hear what the potential pecking order might/should be now.

[–]Rolling_TomassiShaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Blind has been quite the leader at the back. Who else would get it? The only other player who's been at the club a while and could act as a leader is Valencia, and I don't know if his English is good enough.

[–]Alexandre96 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bailly is a ridiculous suggestion but I see zlatan being a much more inspirational leader than Rooney. He's not exactly walking into a team full of leaders anyway. Plus he's the better player

[–]Shifter99Carrick 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really well thought out opinion you got there

[–]Magnehtic 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah great idea making Bailly the captain when only Zlatan, Pogba, Martial and Schneiderlin would understand him.

[–]nerongodLVG 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Fellaini and Mkhitaryan

[–]mufctezIbrahimovic 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bailly as captain? This isn't FIFA or FM.

[–]Lord_SchelbJose F. Busby 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You do that in FM and you will probably get unhappy players.

[–]digitagCarrick 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

We're not playing Rooney because he's a "club hero". Mourinho clearly values him and thinks he can get the most out of him.

It's just that you and a large proportion of this sub clearly disagree. But all our opinions altogether are worth much less than the manager's. We're not at the point yet where we should be calling for players' heads. I'm sure Mourinho will change things up if needed.

[–]murica_sauceVidić 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

all our opinions altogether are worth much less than the manager's.

That quote deserves highlighting.

If people want to disagree with that idea, at least come prepared with some tactical analysis, and not just a statement of "he looked bad, m'kay?". I'd also recommend leaving out statements like "the guy who just played his very first EPL game should be captain."

[–]RVallant 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

at least come prepared with some tactical analysis,

The problem here, is a lot of people will do the armchair analysis. There's very few genuine tacticians imho, probably because they're likely to be actually working in the job themselves. And even those who are tactically adept (or give off that impression) are never ever going to be on the level of a Premier League Manager when it comes to practical knowledge imho. >_>

I'm not saying managers should be immune to criticism, but I reckon a lot of amateur tactical analysis is probably not that special and has already been considered by the manager.

[–]King-EricCantona 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If people want to disagree with that idea, at least come prepared with some tactical analysis

Putting the onus on just one side is silly considering both sides should be using individual critical thinking, arguments and analysis. Putting it only on one side comes off as hiding behind the tired old statement of 'I'm sure the manager knows best'. It just looks lazy to use it as a retort if you don't also come with your own individual points. Both sides should be bringing decent points to the table.

[–]ManUToasterMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I tend to agree with that logic... but at the same time, if we just accept that at face value, wtf are we doing in this sub? should we just share instagram photos of the players and never engage in any tactical discussions? Were any of us more tactically adept than Moyes or LvG when we disagreed with certain decision they made? Absolutely not, and yet in hindsight it would seem that we were right (not me specifically, I've always stood by LvG and even Moyes... I think that's why I have this perspective now).

I don't think people disagreeing should necessarily have incredibly thought out solutions or even prepare a tactical analysis... just explaining their reasoning beyond "he had a shit game" would be a massive improvement.

[–]murica_sauceVidić 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

just explaining their reasoning beyond "he had a shit game" would be a massive improvement.

Agreed. All I'm asking for is a little discourse above and beyond the knee-jerk responses people post. At least state why you think he should be dropped.

[–]Nhialor 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

We can but its up to Mo to decide on what happens and action on it.

[–]GolDeScholes 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mo Farah? Three gold medals really gets you a lot of influence!

[–]selotipkusutMartial 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as he scores goals and we are winning, he won't be dropped

[–]Moutaryan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mourinho is a fantastic judge of a players character and ability. Remember Casillas at Real? He was a bigger legend for them (and Spain) than Rooney is for us yet José saw that his time was up and dropped him. Unfortunately for him the players rebelled and ultimately caused him to lose his job when he was the only manager able to break the Barca dominance. Yet another poor decision for Real.

I digress, if José thinks Rooney still has something to contribute then you have to take his word for it because he is far better at judging a players worth than any of us and his opinion is the only one that makes a difference.

And don't forget, Rooney is always slow to start - his form could pick up when we get into October.

[–]FizzypoptartsRooney 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tony i agree with. But just because someone has "character" you cant make them captain. They have to understand the club. Know what it means to put the shirt on. And no one bar a few in our squad know that.

[–]zazuredditPogba 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bailly as our captain? He's played one league game for us. Ditto Zlatan. Think Valencia would be a solid captain though.

[–]MajorWayneKerr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's rumours that he has a clause in his contract where he has to play a certain amount of minutes each season, similar to Ronaldos contract when he first joined which stated he had to play 50% of the time

[–]apparex1234Micky Targaryen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

He always takes time to get going in the season. I think it's fair to give him a run of games to see if he gets back into form. If he is still the same in October, then I feel he should be dropped for a few games.

[–]kusendahlIbrahimovic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worst opinion ever. But. Can we at least let Rooney play 10 matches before judging him under Mou?

[–]omoteeoyJanuzaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here comes another revolutionary opinion

[–]girth_worm_jim 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney isnt as good as he used to be, no doubt but i feel he just hasnt mastered a new style of play that his age is forcing him to adopt. However i feel he will do eventually. If Mou helps him master this then he easily has another 3-4years in him at UTD (2 or 3 above average ones). I also think he is worth keeping for his hunger and mentality atleast until its adopted by a few of the younger players.

[–]matt768 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

In May 2017 when Rooney scores his 20th of season, you will get your answer

[–]Spho5omhleSpho5omhle 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Wow. You really think he'll 20? in the league or overall? Im really curious.

[–]matt768 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Im confident if he stays fit - in league 20+

[–]spaceherpe61De Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

As long as United scores the first goal, 70% of the time, then I agree with you that he can score 20, Jose' style opens up quite a bit once they get the first goal.

[–]matt768 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He played one match "badly" and still managed to have 3 clear chances and score 1

[–]craptionbot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish my bad Sunday league games were as "bad" as Rooney's.

[–]sharpieforumRooney -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is playing his role on the pitch right now imo...it has been like this for his entire career whether that is playing midfield, striker, defender or just being the captain now (while still contributing to the team in some portion)

[–]manutd875 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Until Rooney stops scoring, he should stay in the team.