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Banned: The UK's had enough of this Mall Ninja shit. (bbc.co.uk)

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[–]Hybernative 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The specific amendment reads:

Amendment of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 19882...

...in paragraph 1, after sub-paragraph (r) insert—“(s) the weapon sometimes known as a “zombie knife”, “zombie killer knife” or “zombie slayer knife”, being a blade with—

(i) a cutting edge;

(ii) a serrated edge;

and (iii) images or words (whether on the blade or handle) that suggest that it is to be used for the purpose of violence.”.

They literally put the word 'zombie' in the legislation. -.-

[–]dethb0ythe village ninjidiot 28ポイント29ポイント  (20子コメント)

Maybe next they can ban hand-sized rocks. You know, someone could get hurt!

[–]Wensleydale_Gaming 4ポイント5ポイント  (19子コメント)

It's a nanny state for sure.

[–]mfizzled -1ポイント0ポイント  (18子コメント)

Why is it a nanny state? We've got a big knife problem here, lots of people stabbing each other. A kid was killed by one of these things not long ago. Is it better to have laws attempting to stop these things from happening or should we take the American route where dozens of children can be gunned down while the government does fuck all.

[–]ZombieHoratioAlger 11ポイント12ポイント  (5子コメント)

That isn't how it works. Violent crime is a symptom, not the root issue. As long as the society has problems with things like economic stagnation and inadequate education, the tools might change but people will still hurt each other.

The article even notes that crime rates are down across the board, near record lows, while they rail against cheap flashy knives.

The UK greatly restricted firearm ownership. So knife crime went up proportionally. Then they restricted pocket and hunting knives, so now kitchen cutlery and hand tools are used in muggings and assaults.

[–]mfizzled -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

But is that a bad thing? If you actively try to work towards lowering violent crimes then how is that a bad thing? I may not be able to own an ar-50 or an m4 but I also know that it's hugely unlikely that myself or anyone I know will be shot. In certain bits of the States you just really can't think like that.

I don't think guns should be outright banned. That's no fun but there should certainly be some barriers to acquiring on. A license to carry one to own anything above a .22 and even to own a .22 you should probably have some sort of test. We have tests to see if we can drive but no tests to see if we can own a gun? That's ridiculous.

[–]arbetman 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

In certain bits of the States you just really can't think like that.

What kind of certain bits?

[–]mfizzled -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Chicago?

[–]2-PAM-chloride 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please stop using my city as an example just because the media has latched onto it as an pariah of how terrible things are. A lot of the hype is media spin, and a lot of the problems that actually DO exist are problems within our society as a whole and not firearms.

You don't really know anything about the laws here. Illinois, and Chicago specifically is one of the regions within the US that has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. CCW was banned statewide up until a year or two ago, many firearms are still outright banned in Chicago and Cook County, handguns were completely illegal to own in Chicago until the SCOTUS put a stop to that a couple years back. Illinois requires all gun owners to purchase a Firearm Owners Identification Card (FOID) from the Illinois State Police that consists of a criminal background check before issuing it. The City of Chicago also had a gunstore ban that was overturned around that time as well but I still am unaware of ONE gunstore within city limits. We've had firearm laws that have gone so far as to have been deemed excessive and illegal in some cases.

The problem with violence in Chicago is a social and cultural one that is endemic of a large portion of the country but particularly condensed here. These problems are spurred on by the prevailing status-quo refusing to change things such as the highly economically segregated city neighbhoods, crushing rates of poverty, very lackluster and poorly funded social welfare programs, a segment of society that idolizes criminal behavior (this is specifically exacerbated by the media), a public school system that is dreadfully underfunded and has more and more schools close each year (especially in poor areas), among a plethora of other things , firearm laws not being on that list.

I could keep going on for hours, but to summarize, we've tried extremely strict gun laws here and they don't work for us, they work against us.

[–]sPoonamus 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how Chicago gets a bad rap for gun violence yet since the gangster era, gun laws in chicago have been as tight as a nuns cooter

[–]Wensleydale_Gaming 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's the thing: humans will still find ways to kill each other. If not guns then knives. If not knives then rocks etc.

The problem with the UK is that people there have a hard time legally defending themselves. They have a duty to retreat in their own home and the regular cops don't have weapons (which gives criminals free reign to cause as much damage as possible before armed police show up).

[–]mfizzled 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can kill someone with a spoon but a knife is far more efficient, it's just having the sense to realise some stuff is dangerous but vital and some stuff is dangerous but not needed. There are barely any guns here so regular police don't need guns. There's armed units in every city and town so if there is someone with a firearm they can handle it.

American police are constantly in the limelight for shooting people, don't you think that if coppers have guns then they're more likely to use them? It's hard to defend guns being legal when you look at one city like Chicago. There's more gun deaths there every year than Britain has in multiple years. I understand the 2nd amendment and why people would want to hold on to their weapons but there should maybe be the need for a license and proficiency test to stop every little young gangbanger getting their hand on a glock.

[–]sPoonamus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we made proficiency tests mandatory for gun ownership, how many gangbangers would you think actually take the test? We have a far greater problem in America than guns and gun violence. We have done such a damn good job as a country of institutionalizing racism that it now manifests itself like a weed when we try to tackle it. White people always complain about black people being criminals and causing problems in shitty neighborhoods when they should just go get a job and stop being gangsters. Well I totally agree, but it'll be a cold day in hell before that would be remotely possible with how fucked our education system, prison system, drug laws, and tax code is. I'm as white as the next white guy, but fuck am I blown away by just how many barriers white people set up behind them as they drag the country "forward".

[–]PsychoSunshine 2ポイント3ポイント  (8子コメント)

Here's the thing: Laws only affect law-abiding citizens. A law isn't going to stop a will-be criminal from committing a crime. Laws like this just keep things that are perfectly fine for a sane, responsible person away from said person.

[–]mfizzled 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

That's not true though is it. If you get life for having a gun then it's gonna put a lot of criminals off isn't it? There's always gonna be a few crooks who will have them but it's gonna dissuade a lot of people as if you get 5 years for robbery and 25 years for robbery with a gun, it's just logical to try do the robbery without a gun. Plus guns are expensive, a pistol can cost a couple of grand and something like a Mac-10 can you 3 or 4

[–]ProfThadBach 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I can go right now down to Vance Street in Lenior, NC and get a gun for 50 bucks. Is it a good gun? Not really. Does it function as a gun. Oh yea. If you want a cheap gun to commit crime they are everywhere.

[–]mfizzled 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm talking about Britain. A gun costs grands here.

[–]ProfThadBach 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Guns cost a lot here too. legal guns that is. Also our robbery laws are the same for using a gun. It is called armed robbery and it triples the sentence. My point is taking away the ability for people to get weapons does not stop a criminal from committing a violent crime.

[–]mfizzled 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Of course it does. Why do you think Britain has so much fewer gun deaths? It's because the government have taken away a huge amount of avenues that leads to acquiring firearms.

[–]ProfThadBach 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ok dude you win. I am not arguing with you over this. Have a nice day.

[–]sPoonamus 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crime is inevitable but the avenues to it are paved by society. What you're saying is that the UK should tear up all the roads till criminals get to frustrated to try. Problem is, we don't always need roads to get where we are going, they're just convenient. Seriously, I get the UK often sees the US as it's retard step son or something and sees our gun violence as more reasons to look down on us, but we do the same when you ban knives that are for killing zombies apparently. People get assaulted in countries where the crime is a death sentence or a way of life, so I see no grounds for arguing the point you've been making.

[–]airborneleaf 18ポイント19ポイント  (7子コメント)

The UK is so incompetent when it comes to blade laws it's just sad. Nothing funny about it.

[–]GreatBaldungundead ninja 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

They're promoting the use of practical knives, if you think about it /s

[–]nicbrown 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

People have been convicted for carrying Opinels, because of the locking function. A man was also convicted for having a Pari g knife in his glovebox for eating fruit/picnicking because he wasn't on his way to a picnic at that point in time.

[–]multiamory [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Assault knife

[–]Fire_Bucket 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd say it's more we're incompetent when it comes to blade law convictions. That mandatory 4 year prison sentence is already a thing with regards to other knives, but IIRC there's not been a single conviction.

So in the 15 or so years it's been a thing, not a single person has been caught carrying a knife when/where they shouldn't have?

[–]Panoolied 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can walk the streets with an axe in my hand and apart from the splooshing of women I go past as they swoon at the manly spectacle no one bats an eye. God forbid I have a locking knife over 3 inches long though.

[–]MrNanny 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Knives could become a status symbol"

Could become?

[–]armoredassaultbot 2ポイント3ポイント  (14子コメント)

Wait, they've banned sale and import of knifes that are totally impractical and useless for killing people. But knifes that are practical and efficient murder weapons are totally OK to sell and import?

[–]Mr_Barry_Shitpeas 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

TIL a weapon which killed someone is useless for killing people.

[–]BraveDude8_1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think his point was more "a kitchen knife ducttaped to a stick is equally effective".

And considering you can legally buy live swords off the internet over here as long as the blade isn't curved, it's a pointless ban.

I honestly think whoever makes the blade laws in the UK is trying to raise the quality of blades in the UK. They banned katanas, another mall ninja favourite, and any other long swords with a curved blade but as long as you can prove they were forged with "traditional techniques" you can buy whatever you want. Same goes for this new one.

[–]armoredassaultbot -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I bet a frozen potato could kill someone if thrown hard enough, though.

[–]Mr_Barry_Shitpeas 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

...and? If something has killed someone, it's by definition not useless for killing people.

[–]armoredassaultbot 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just find this law oddly specific, that's all. It doesn't make sense to ban all potential murder weapons. It would be a very long list.

[–]squashed_fly_biscuit 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's not about how useful they are as weapons absolutely, it's about preventing a "trendy" weapon which is more dangerous than the normally used stabbing weapons. I don't like the uk knife laws but this ones not totally bat shit crazy

[–]RabRabRabT 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

but this ones not totally bat shit crazy

If it's not then could you tell me what they've actually banned?

There is no specific shape or style... In varying lengths.

What makes a knife a zombie knife? It seems to me like it's "the knives carry logos or words that glamorise and promote violence" that separates a zombie knife from all the other knives. Don't have scary words written on your knives kids...

"We've banned these things called zombie knives, no we're not quite sure what a zombie knife is but if we think your knife is one then it's banned"

[–]squashed_fly_biscuit 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Knives over 3 (or 4?) inches or fixed bladed or locking knives already have to be carried with "good reason" in the UK (for instance if you're going camping or fishing etc), so these things were already illegal effectively. I guess this is more of a police enforcement guideline that they should be less tolerant of people carrying them.

[–]RabRabRabT 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So it's just utter nonsense then? The police in the UK have never been tolerant of people carrying knives, and as you've said it's already illegal to carry a knife over 3 inches.

So this story is... Knives that are illegal are still illegal?

When it says they're banned it sounds to me like they're trying to say (they might just be trying to give this impression) that they are completely illegal to own. But what are completely illegal to own? Knives with symbols on them? Wtf?

[–]squashed_fly_biscuit -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I guess it'll mean that if someone is searched or seen with the knives, in public, they will be somethinged. I agree, the article doesn't give nearly enough specific information

[–]EGG-MACHINE-2000 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

but this ones not totally bat shit crazy

yes it is

[–]squashed_fly_biscuit 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So what should they do to stop people being hacked apart?

[–]EGG-MACHINE-2000 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing, because it isn't happening enough to be a problem.

[–]Morinaka -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know you are talking about imports and such, but in the UK if you are carrying specific types of blades outside your house you need a legit reason to be doing so if stopped by police. So if you have something like a Mora or an ESEE visible on you walking down the high street you're going to be in the shit if you can't come up with a good reason, same person out in the woods camping, no problem that's a legit reason.

import of knifes that are totally impractical and useless for killing people

That's the point really, it's going to be nigh-on-impossible to come up with a legit reason to have sharp versions of these "zombie" type things other than decoration. Practical and efficient blades have a lot of proper uses outside of criminality so banning them outright makes no sense.

[–]InsaneLogicc 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Next they ban sticks and branches because muh quarterstaff

[–]autotldr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot)

There is no specific shape or style, but they are very ornate and intended to shock In varying lengths and often with a serrated edge, the knives carry logos or words that glamorise and promote violence They can cause greater damage due to their size They are being sold as collectors' items online and in some shops.

In Northern Ireland, Justice Minister Claire Sugden has said action is being taken to ban zombie knives.

A Scottish government spokeswoman said: "While we are not aware of any specific incidents in Scotland of 'zombie knives' being carried or used, we do keep the law in relation to knives under review and will consider carefully whether further steps are necessary in this area."

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[–]SweetPotardo -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah, The Place Where Great Britain Used To Be.

[–]EGG-MACHINE-2000 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus christ Britain, get your shit together.