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[Discussion] Smalling (self.reddevils)

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Is Blind now the favoured CB over Smalling?

It looks like Bailly has cemented his position as main CB

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[–]suubzero 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

smalling has been injured and suspended,he hasn't had a chance yet,his time will come.

[–]cookie1254Rafael 13ポイント14ポイント  (24子コメント)

Smalling has to start when fit, absolutely no question about it.

[–]fmc96 -1ポイント0ポイント  (23子コメント)

Why does he? Genuinely? Bailly has been nothing but superb since coming in and his ball playing ability is greater than Smalling's is, he is more composed.

Blind appears to work really well with Bailly and was imperious vs Bournemouth, he's another player with great passing and building from the back.

With those two, our general play increases two fold as we can quickly move from defence to attack via their progressive passing. Smalling is a great defender, but he's not on either of their level's regarding passing and ball playing.

[–]BarbadosDMLord Scholes 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Blind was very good against Bournemouth, but I thought everyone defensively was excellent. Smalling will be playing ahead of Blind, he is taller stronger and more athletic. On current evidence Bailly has to stay in that team.

Smalling and Bailly would be a nasty pairing to line up against

[–]Pog6ack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Smalling and Bailly would be a nasty pairing to line up against

Valencia + Smalling + Bailly + Shaw is probably the most athletic back-4 in the world.

[–]Takley 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trouble with blind is as we saw last season, you end up playing your team to suit the limitations of a CB who isn't tall, that strong, and whilst he holds his own well he isn't someone you can rely on defensively unless he has others to cover for him.

You have to account for his lack of pace whether that be the fullbacks holding back or a midfielder sitting further back than they would , same for height if you expect the striker to beat him in the air you have to allow for someone to chase the rebound , with the other two you expect them to win the ball in the air and so the midfielders can play in a way to expect the ball to be headed to them rather then chasing it elsewhere .

[–]black_squireMartial -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You actually don't. So far in preseason and after, I haven't noticed anything that stops FBs from roaming forward or any other deliberate attempt to cover for Blind. In fact when Bailly got nutmegged by Vardy in the Community Shield, guess who darted over to clear the ball? Yeap, Blind.

We need to accept that Blind's deficiencies barely come to factor in games. His intelligence means he relies a lot less on speed or physicality to accomplish his duties

[–]OmomooDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bailly is a physical monster & has reasonable distribution but he is a bit like Jones, just a bit more refined. He likes to toss himself into tackles to get the ball off the opposition, & yes he's done okay thus far, but tackling will only bring you so far & there is much more than that in defending.

At the moment, Bailly is going to need someone fast & composed to partner him in the best case scenario. If he loses a tackle at the back, the partner must be quick to react in mopping up whatever comes through.

Blind excels in take-ons because of his tactical awareness, but he loses out when challenged on pace or when he is outnumbered. On the other hand, I think Smalling edges him in this aspect. He's stronger, faster, & that leadership aspect to shore up the back line is a major plus.

Of course one can argue that Blind has better distribution than Smalling does, but I fail to see why we need two defenders that excel in distributing the ball forward when long balls are not our primary game (and we are nor playing a Guardiola system either). We are going to have Pogba in the middle of the park to bring the ball forward, & pacey fullbacks in Shaw & Valencia to bomb up the flanks.

Don't get me wrong though, I do rate Blind very highly but I just don't think he can keep Smalling off the starting spot. He might be the 3rd choice centreback though & will be looking to displace either of Bailly or Smalling for this season.

[–]Pog6ack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

pacey fullbacks in Shaw & Valencia to bomb up the flanks.

Exactly. Having two FBs who never lose the ball certainly mitigates any on-the-ball weakness of CBs. With Shaw back (and Pogba) Blind's passing is needed less.

[–]YoungPappy -2ポイント-1ポイント  (13子コメント)

Blind appears to work really well with Bailly and was imperious vs Bournemouth, he's another player with great passing and building from the back.

It's a matter of time untill Blind makes a defensive mistake and costs us points. You can't rely on him.

Terry and Cahill weren't amazing on the ball and they did fine under Mourinho.

[–]fmc96 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

This line gets rolled out every time, but it's completely false for me. Blind makes the same/if not less errors than Smalling or your average centre half does. People harp on about Blind's physicality and pace but he rarely gets exposed by it. People struggle to name a lot of moments were Blind made serious mistakes.

Terry has always been a really undervalued ball player, he's got good range and can use both feet with ease.

[–]Pog6ack -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

I like Blind but you lack basic knowledge. Blind "rarely gets exposed" because he's allowed to operate a lot deeper than Smalling (or Bailly) because Smalling/Bailly are uber athletes who cover a lot of ground. We can play a relatively high line (high line = opponent further away from de Gea = good) in spite of Blind's lack of athleticism. And obviously the covering and set piece advantages you get from a big athlete like Smalling.

A CB pairing of two Blinds would be a clusterfuck against City or Liverpool, e.g. A CB pairing of twos Smalling's or Bailly's would be an absolute nightmare for attackers, and only flawed against relentless on-the-ball pressure.

Why do you think Mou wanted to replace Terry? Because without pace he was dropping deeper and deeper which just invites pressure and gives space.

[–]matt_66 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Terry was also 34, Blind is 25/6

[–]fmc96 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because Terry was at the back end of his career and his powers were waning?

The defensive line moves as a unit were Blind to be permitted to sit deeper (which is total nonsense) out of possession, we'd be destroyed and never be able to play offside. When in possession Bailly and Blind have actually been taking up very similar positions vertically, laterally they're obviously different with one playing on the left and the other at the right. If you're going to arrive with snide comments please be more convincing and factual with your statements.

[–]Pog6ack 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because Terry was at the back end of his career and his powers were waning?

His powers were waning primarily because he lost his pace. Lack of pace forces the entire team backwards (relative to pace).

The defensive line moves as a unit were Blind to be permitted to sit deeper (which is total nonsense) out of possession, we'd be destroyed and never be able to play offside.

Maybe I wasn't clear. The whole line is deeper (with the Blind as the deepest) because of Blind's lack of pace, compared to where it would be with Smalling/Bailly. With Smalling it was still relatively high because he could cover for mistakes but it would be higher next to Bailly.

Put four defenders with Blind's athleticism in the back-4 and the line would barely get past our box.

[–]Lord_SchelbJose F. Busby 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's a matter of time untill Blind makes a defensive mistake and costs us points. You can't rely on him.

Been hearing this for years, and he is still solid.

[–]Rolling_TomassiShaw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right but he did have a few of those games last year. All CBs make errors but I feel like when Blind makes an error, he's making errors that whole match and has a total shocker. Chris has a mistake in his game too but in the games where he makes those mistakes, he's otherwise very solid.

[–]YoungPappy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's bang average. Positionally poor and dives in when he shouldn't be.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can't play Smalling and Bailly in the same starting eleven. That's a recipe for disaster.

It needs to be Blind + one of them.

[–]YoungPappy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why? Blind isn't a good defender and Smalling is. Terry and Cahill weren't great on the ball and Chelsea and Mourinho won the league with that partnership.

[–]fmc96 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Spot on, Smalling and Bailly are more defensively orientated CH's than Blind is and we need Blind's passing for our build up play.

And for me there's no way Bailly can be dropped right now, Smalling should not walk into this side.

[–]matt_66 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed and Agreed with, too many people sit with their Fifa 16 stats and instantaneously become footballing oracles, truth is Daley has been solid there for a long time is the better footballer, tactician and is seemingly growing a partnership with Bailly.

Smalling, remember in his last game got sent off... does not walk straight back in, as improved and good as he as been over the last 2 years.

[–]Pog6ack -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why does he? Genuinely?

Asks someone who apparently didn't watch Smalling almost single-handily keep our defense from falling apart for most of last season.

his ball playing ability is greater than Smalling's is, he is more composed.

Lmfao. What are you basing that on? Two games? Smalling rarely loses the ball. He's briilaint at driving through the middle away from pressure. His passing is inconsistent, but so is Bailly's.

imperious vs Bournemouth

BOURNEMOUTH.

Smalling is a great defender, but he's not on either of their level's regarding passing and ball playing.

You're clueless. He misses two games to start the season and all of a sudden the ignorants come out of the woodwork demanding England's #1 to be relegated to back-up so sexy Blind can sit 30 yards behind the half way line and spray quality passes to the touchlines .

[–]fmc96 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Rubbish, blinded by Smalling hype without knowing the truth of it. Smalling made just as many errors as Blind did, and Blind made just as many important defensive stops as Smalling did.

Ok so you're genuinely clueless. Smalling's touch is heavy and his passes are always hard for the receiver to receive. Bailly's passing has been great since he came into the Villareal. But of course, I'm only basing that on "two games".

England's #1? Is that meant to be some huge appraisal? Yeah, whatever man. I bet you want us to sign Wes Morgan and Shawcross too. No nonense, 'ard British style defenders.

[–]Pog6ack 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Smalling made just as many errors as Blind did

Mostly fatigue-induced in the last third of the season after having to carry Blind (and the rest of the defensive mediocrity) for so long.

Bailly's passing has been great since he came into the Villareal.

1) You make a mockery of the term "great".

2) You're basing that on two games vs inferior opposition. Laughable sample size.

I bet you want us to sign Wes Morgan and Shawcross too. No nonense, 'ard British style defenders.

Lol, wtf.

Smalling's touch is heavy and his passes are always hard for the receiver to receive.

They're zipped in with appropriate gusto.

And, once again, he rarely loses it. He ball retention has improved the last couple seasons. Have you not noticed?

[–]uzjeezy 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Smalling will be Mourinho's first choice, it's obvious.

He prefers 'specialists' over versatile players, and that's exactly the case.

[–]craptionbot 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Would you class Valencia as a specialist though? (Not disagreeing with you at all, Jose just seems to have a thing for Valencia at RB).

[–]Moutaryan 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Valencia is a RB, his days of playing on the wing are over

[–]FalkenkameratenScholes 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Only time will tell, but Jose will be very aware of Smallings performances these last two seasons. Personally I see Blind losing his spot as the season progress.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Playing Smalling and Bailly would be like having two tanks on cruise control.

You need that intelligent driver, and Blind is the closest we have.

[–]bagombos_enough_boxFat Ronaldo 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bailly's played two competitive games and already the league's best CB from last season has lost his place?

[–]kykinsonMemphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Smalling should start no matter what. I think Bailly and Smalling is gonna be our CB pair and that Blind will be the backup if someone is injured or in games where you want to rest players.

[–]DerFussballgott[🍰] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's been two games, with Smalling not even being able to be selected yet. Just wait and see. Talking about players cemeting their positions this early on is premature.

[–]CosmicGravyMemphis -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think we should continue to play players until they stop performing. So for now leave Bailly and Blind, when one of them has a bad match or two, replace them. Every player should be like that. There are enough games for everyone to get a chance and it let's us find our best eleven.

[–]Necromanc3rRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Let us first see how Smalling will do under Mourinho and then we can discuss this further.

[–]mufctezIbrahimovic 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we please stop these threads?

Please.

[–]RFerrer-Blind -5ポイント-4ポイント  (7子コメント)

Smalling was poor in the second half of last season. He doesn't just walk into the team.

For me, Blind has to start. Whether that's in defence or midfield is a different question.

[–]knoxisbackBlind 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

poor

?

[–]RFerrer-Blind -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

He was very good until LVG switched from zonal man-orientations to rigid man-marking. After that his performances took a turn for the worse.

[–]Moutaryan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lucky Mou prefers zonal marking

[–]fmc96 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Agree, which seems to be a very unpopular view point. He got caught too tight to Bolasie man to man in the FA Cup final and as a result had to fell him down and take a red. Could've done better with Deulofeu's cross in the Semi Final too. There were other incidents in the league too, I think Blind had a better 2nd half of the season.

[–]RFerrer-Blind -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think Blind had a better 2nd half of the season.

I think overall Blind was more consistent, but he had a small hiccup right at the end of the season. Could've been fatigue?

[–]Rolling_TomassiShaw 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Both Smalling and Blind were affected by fatigue, I think.

[–]Pog6ack 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Smalling 100% was. Carried an insane load for months without a break.