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The guys with the trump themed signs asking for english only servers should be ashamed of themselvesComplaint (self.DotA2)

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Find another place for that bs
edit for you dummies: i do agree something needs to be done. i'm not complaining about trump. the simple fact is that Valve is not going to take that complaint seriously when two or three guys sit behind the casters with huge racist signs saying TACO TACO BURRITO at Valves biggest event of the year. you're embarrassing America and the DOTA community.

double edit: RESPONSE FROM THE GUY THAT MADE THE SIGNS HERE (unconfirmed)

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[–]PIRATOBlinkClinton 459ポイント460ポイント  (179子コメント)

Pyrion turned around and gave him a thumbs down

[–]VIPMaster15 79ポイント80ポイント  (17子コメント)

Fortunately it looks like they got embarrassed after being called out and switched to the Momma Moo sign that they have now

[–]Avocia 67ポイント68ポイント  (14子コメント)

I think that was a different person. Very likely they got moved. Probably not kicked out, but moved to seats out of any prominent camera shots.

[–]gogokodo 103ポイント104ポイント  (13子コメント)

No, it's the same guys. I'm sitting near them. Somebody threw some soda at their signs which is also a shitty thing to do. They took that pretty well actually, laughed it off. At some point a staff person came over and told them not to put up the Trump signs again.

[–]TrumpLovesCucks 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did the staff kick out the guys throwing the soda?

[–]this hero is better than you thinkmyepicdemise 20ポイント21ポイント  (7子コメント)

At least they took it pretty well instead of going "muh free speech". While it is not right for people to use violence just because they're offended, you don't get away with things like that in real life like you do on twitch chat or reddit. The provokers didn't deserve that soda to the face, but they asked for it.

[–]All hail lord PuppanSlowbrobro 57ポイント58ポイント  (5子コメント)

Let's be clear, the "muh free speech" argument doesn't apply to private property or on a live broadcast since forever, let alone both. The venue staff was merciful for not throwing both parties out on the spot.

Edit: Actually it's public property, I stand corrected. Sentiment remains unchanged.

[–]Fl1pzomg 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

Key arena is owned by The City of Seattle. It is a public venue.

[–]Alibambam 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

yet hosting a private event, they have every right to kick them out

[–]Fl1pzomg 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh for sure, without question. I'm just saying its not private property is all.

[–]All hail lord PuppanSlowbrobro 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Looks like this is accurate. Fair point.

[–]ಠ◡ಠdrunkenvalley 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think most (sensible) people know that. Many who come out with this sort of shit (that is, coming out with signs like the previously mentioned) seem to think otherwise though.

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        [–]that1dev 77ポイント78ポイント  (13子コメント)

        They still had those grins like they were the funniest thing ever.

        [–]friction1 146ポイント147ポイント  (6子コメント)

        http://imgur.com/a/ZQFc0

        [–]MONSTERTACO 69ポイント70ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Trying to yell over the panel too. Poor guy is an embarrassment to us all.

        [–]ASleepingPerson 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Let's be real. He's an embarrassment to himself first and foremost

        [–]jokimiko 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I remember cringing at that guy. What an embarrassment lol

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            [–]NA'VI FOR TI6NaViFanGay322 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Is there a clip of that? I didn't see

            [–]In Puppey I TrustRastaVampireDude 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Relevant username

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              [–]Syriom 110ポイント111ポイント  (3子コメント)

              All racism aside, I'm fucking tired of non-english speakers in my games.. and I'm not even a native english speaker.

              [–]hatt555 153ポイント154ポイント  (156子コメント)

              Someone told him to hold up the signs and then threw a soda on him. I believe it happened on stream, but not sure if anyone was actually able to see it. Whole section was silent in shock after. A staff employee came up a little later too, pretty sure to tell him to put away those signs.

              [–]LazyFigure 158ポイント159ポイント  (89子コメント)

              threw a soda on him

              Well at least he handled it like an adult...

              [–]uberxD 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Probably was Envy

              [–]AndThenJugPressed-R- 107ポイント108ポイント  (83子コメント)

              Honestly people who act like that should get a lifetime ban from valve events.

              Do the signs suck? Sure! Does it justify violence? Hell no.

              [–]iVoteKick 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Handled it like EE handled Hanni

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                [–]The_Godlike_Zeus 23ポイント24ポイント  (31子コメント)

                A guy threw a soda at the guy telling the other guys to hold up the sign?

                [–]hatt555 69ポイント70ポイント  (30子コメント)

                Sorry perhaps I was unclear - guy 1. Was holding racist sign. Guy 2 walks up and tells guy 1 to hold up sign again because he had stopped. Once guy 1 raises sign, guy 2 throws his soda on him. Surprisingly accurate throw, went right over me and my friend to perfectly hit guy 1. Had to go over about 5 seats and 3 rows

                [–]ixix 25ポイント26ポイント  (23子コメント)

                Isn't that entrumpment?

                [–]TimbuFTZB 36ポイント37ポイント  (22子コメント)

                It's assault

                [–]Lord of the pitsal4ever 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

                I'm from EU, and i dont understand this "assault" thing in the US. What is concidered assault, and how harsh is the punishment?

                Thanks anyone if clears that to me

                [–]Blagginspaziyonokip 9ポイント10ポイント  (16子コメント)

                This. Honestly someone being racist doesn't give you free reign to assault them.

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                  [–]Never having Team Flairs again BibleThumpEllefied 34ポイント35ポイント  (8子コメント)

                  Woah, I need a VOD of that.

                  [–]hatt555 17ポイント18ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  https://www.twitch.tv/dota2ti/v/83400929

                  Not sure how to link to a time, 7:31:00, and wait a few moments. You'll see him turn his head to look back, hold up the sign, then suddenly a brown splash appears in front of him. That was the coke.

                  [–]VIPMaster15 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Seconded, I would be super grateful to anyone that has a VOD

                  [–]3runorocha 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  did you find?

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                    [–]SxGSmeds 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Eternal envy was in the crowd? Damn wtf valve

                    [–]healer56heal 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    Threw a soda on him

                    Oh boy,not childish at all.

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                      [–]Cum to pudgewomplord1 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      No one cares that the Chinese teams and fans were also pushing chinese nationalism and the managers of the winning team even made them hold up flags in front of everyone when they won? I found that pretty distasteful

                      [–]ReadingNotAllowed 234ポイント235ポイント  (90子コメント)

                      But isn't that what this sub reddit is bitching about all the time?

                      Edit: i should say that I don't agree with these signs, and I don't think they belong at a TI, or any tournament. I just found the similarities between the signs and this sub very funny

                      [–]Best Worst Doto Fighting~~Siantlark 435ポイント436ポイント  (32子コメント)

                      TI is about celebrating Dota and the people that play it. Yes that includes Peruvians.

                      Those signs should fuck right off.

                      [–]LeSpiceWeasel 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      Now that TI is over I can go back to hating Peru, right?

                      Stupid Machu Pichu.

                      [–]ReadingNotAllowed 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I agree 100% with you though

                      [–]megaturd288 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We can celebrate Peruvians who play dota. And they can play on the server Valve made special for them in Peru. US servers being swamped by people who only speak Spanish is a real problem.

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                        [–]ThatFacelessMan 129ポイント130ポイント  (4子コメント)

                        Yeah, but The International isn't really the venue for that complaint, is it?

                        [–]ratemycat 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        "Yeah, but The International isn't really the venue for that complaint, is it?"

                        also I dont think they try to use "TACO TACO BURRITO" in their arguments either.

                        [–](_̅_̅_̅_̅м̲̅ᴀ̲̅я̲̅ɪ̲̅ᴊ̲̅ᴜ̲̅ᴀ̲̅ɴ̲̅ᴀ̲̅_̅_̅_̅_̅(ด้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็)RightclickWarrior 72ポイント73ポイント  (31子コメント)

                        Yeah and there's a difference between "create proper servers for south americans" and "LET'S FUCKING BAN PERUVIANS FROM US"

                        I mean, seriously? "BUILD A FIREWALL"?

                        [–]eagereyez 21ポイント22ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        How long have the South Americans had server issues? USE has been Peru East for years.

                        [–]conquer69 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        To this day, the Chile and Peru servers still have issues. Not to mention that USE gives lower latency than those servers to half the continent.

                        It's easy to see why they queue there.

                        [–]Str8OuttaDongerville 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        So why don't they host a "Peru 2" server in the same location as the US East one, or allocate half of the current servers used for US East to South America, cause I'm pretty sure that at least half of the players on US East are peruvian anyway.

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                            [–]Coldara 31ポイント32ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            to be fair, people did that in dota1

                            games were still shit and toxic, but at least i understood the language i got flamed in :P

                            [–]hutxhy 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

                            I consistently find that Peruvians are more toxic. You can say I'm stereotyping, but in my experience it's been that way. Americans do have their share of toxic, but whenever I'm in a game with at least one Peruvian, you can be 90% sure he's a toxic player.

                            [–]Golnarth 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The type of people who select a server ten billion miles from their country and spam in a language they know no one will understand probably aren't nice people.

                            You've probably played with a lot of undercover peruvians/mexicans/etc.

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                              [–]rtz plsInTheTreeWithTheAnon 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

                              I mean, ping is a big issue as well. When the south americans pick pudge and mirana but their ping is over 200 ms they never hit their shots even if they don't suck.

                              [–]Oneiricl 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Let's ban all people with high ping then, huh?

                              [–]Universe fucking GODSosX 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Not to be a dick but that aint the problem, South Americans actually get decent pings to USE, the problem is they are dicks that don't comunicate and play like they are 1k pinoys raging in SEA

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                                [–]thataznguy34 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                When I played dota1 there were just as many Peruvians on what was Battlenet at the time. And you know what, they always lagged. Always. They were always at minimum 3-400ms if not worse. So we just kicked them and kept them out. Notice I never spoke once about the toxicity or behavior of the players, it's simply a matter of living in Peru and connecting to a server near NYC.

                                [–]presidenttrump_2016 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                When Peruvians send their players, they aren't sending their best. They are sending ragers and feeders.

                                We need to build a firewall and make Peru pay for it!

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                                  [–]ManyCookies 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Because they want to communicate with their team, not out of any actual racism (I think/hope). And the "#taco taco burrito" kind of pushes the signholders into the later.

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                                    [–]Where were u when Techies was kill?Capn__Morgan 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                    "I want to be able to communicate effectively in a team game"

                                    "Racist Xenophone!"

                                    [–]Each Blow,Sharpens My MemesGaratinax 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                    Summed up this comment section

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                                      [–]fdisc0 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      those signs were hilarious! hahahha, man that is literally the worst part of dota. Team game, can't even comunicate, plus they lag like fuck and always blame the lag when they start feeding. It's awful.

                                      [–]USA USA USAHaaselh0ff 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      They DC at the start of pregame... wait 5 minutes for them, give up. As soon as it hits 2 minute mark they come back and rage at us in all caps to tell us how stupid we are for not waiting. Get mad when they feed top lane 5 kills. Claim Lag. AFK in base because "guise, I catn evun pluy rght noaw."

                                      [–]Go Secret!smelldemon 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Yall saying that now but as soon as you see that non-english guy in your game tomorrow yall are gonna flame the shit out of him smh reddit

                                      [–]OMMad 561ポイント562ポイント  (233子コメント)

                                      you US players are fucking pussies. you complain about 1 language you don't understand. imagine playing in SEA servers where you have Indo, Tagalog, Malay, Thai, and Viet speakers. hell, i've even had some indians on my teams. oh no, spanish, a language that is spoken by a good percentage of americans... what are we going to do?

                                      [–]synzushi 121ポイント122ポイント  (30子コメント)

                                      You don't know toxic until you've played SEA

                                      [–]moonmeh 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                      And you don't know true joy when somehow this bunch of people that can only communicate with other with poor english or pings somehow pull off the most coordinated ganks and teamfight.

                                      Then when we finish the game they all go

                                      "gg ez"

                                      [–]4HeadXet 46ポイント47ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                      Or until you've encountered a 4-stack of Turks in EU unranked MM. Instant loss of faith in humanity.

                                      [–]timetobeanon 6ポイント7ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                      I believe that is what he's trying to say

                                      [–]synzushi 5ポイント6ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                      I have scars to prove it

                                      [–]timetobeanon 4ポイント5ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                      Yup, I've played in SEA and it's the most frustrating. I miss my 5ms ping though, now that I've moved to EU.

                                      [–]Never having Team Flairs again BibleThumpEllefied 4ポイント5ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                      Were you in Singapore by chance? That was the only time I ever had 5ms ping.

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                                          [–]Nessaj the EverchosenUnskilledSoldier 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          In that case why should North American players enjoy the fact that their servers are drifting towards SEA level language barriers?

                                          [–]okRiD_JuaN 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          This is the most stupid statement I've read on reddit in a long time, and the fact it got this much upvotes amazes me. Just because you think you have it worse doesn't mean that what someone else is experiencing isn't a problem. I play on US west, and I usually get at least 1~ Peruvian in my game (not my team). Sometimes you can't tell until they accidentally put an upside-down question mark and its fine, who cares. Sometimes you get someone flaming you for not speaking their language despite being on a server that's meant for only English speakers, and it sucks.

                                          Thinking that someone else's problems don't matter because 'you have it worse' is a pathetic way of thinking, and I hope you don't bring that to your other daily activities.

                                          [–]Mushi, LaNm, iceiceice, BurningUpAndDownArrows 278ポイント279ポイント  (82子コメント)

                                          And here I am, playing in Europe with dozens of different languages form all over Europe and Middle East :)

                                          Really, these nationalists 'muricans are pathetic. It's kinda sad to see how many of them are trying to defend such actions even here on reddit.

                                          [–]thefarkinator 49ポイント50ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                          Don't act like there isn't tons of anti-Russian racism on Reddit.

                                          [–]great_things 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          The russians have their own god damn server where they can communicate with their native language, I would be fucking excited if my region had its own server but I see how that is not necessary since we all pretty much speak English. Theres no excuse whatsoever for russians to use euwest and speak Russian there.

                                          [–]USA_Thug 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Cough cough Peru has it's own server too...

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                                            [–]Thrormurn 29ポイント30ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                            And here I am, playing in Europe with dozens of different languages form all over Europe and Middle East :)

                                            The only language i see on EU servers is russian.

                                            [–]Agravaine27 14ポイント15ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                            get higher up, once you get past 5k you'll see mostly english, or if you don't just ask if they can repeat in english and they will in most cases.

                                            [–]http://www.dotabuff.com/players/44607913DrunkenJediKnight 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                            Tbh I mostly get english in 4k. There's the occasional game with mostly russian but very occasional. And often I say "eng pls" and they say "ok"

                                            Honestly people are just fucking scapegoating others. You literally don't even need to speak the same language to play together properly. Pings and mousewheel are actually pretty good at conveying what you need to. Plus Black^ played with VG and they actually did OK despite the language barrier

                                            [–]thataznguy34 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                            Considering that the mmr for the average Dota 2 player is ~3k (https://yasp.co/distributions), most people will never see any English in their flaming. It's just max davai all the time for the average player, and isn't that what's important? Look at where 5k is on that bell distribution. It looks to be about 2 standard deviations away from the mean, making 5k+ players less than 5% of the total population.

                                            [–]Pof qbx jo gspou pg uif puifs! / Kb Kftufn Ebwbj!EboDbuQsp 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Yasp stats are skewed. Average MMR is around 2.5K or lower.

                                            I'm 3K, by the way, and a lot of people speak Engkish here on EU East. Even when they don't, they can still communicate one way or another.

                                            I think it depends on your behavior score.

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                                                  [–]RX-782 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                  To me language barrier isn't the issue, I'm Mexican and I can speak Spanish, but I find Peruvians to be highly obnoxious more than anything I've encountered before. I used to queue in Eu West when I started because my friends that got me into the game are from Europe specifically Germany, and Norway. I've encountered Russians that are supposedly very toxic but not they're not childish they don't flame and delibaretly feed when tilted as much, but Peruvians do so quite constantly.

                                                  [–]wings yoloklopjobacid 99ポイント100ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                  They're not prepared to take accountability for their garbage MMR, so naturally they blame Mexicans instead.

                                                  [–]Oi! Stop peeping!CaptMytre 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                  Where'd the bad Mexican touch you?

                                                  Right here... at bottom lane... He. He took my farm. *sniff* I thought it was meant to be the safe lane...

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                                                    [–]BackToFlowcharts 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                    Not all of us are man, just the morons that call someone peruvian in game as flame, and then get even more annoyed when said person doesn't respond to flame and just mute them.

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                                                      [–]chaitin 11ポイント12ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      FWIW, in my experience, the percentage of English speakers on SEA is higher than on USE (when queueing for English).

                                                      That said, I do agree that the complaints about Peruvians basically boil down to bad players using racism to excuse their own faults.

                                                      [–]r[A]t for lifenexusbees 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      Not in my experience of a few thousand games on SEA. I start every game with a "is English ok?" and don't get a response in half my games. And sure enough, if the game starts to go south I get treated with a word salad of different languages.

                                                      English is practically my first language and I'll be the first to say that its ok to not know English. You just have to get by with pings and click wheels.

                                                      [–]PuppyCocktheFirst 36ポイント37ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                                      I'm a US player and I'm 100% in agreement. You want to play with 5 people who speak the same language? Get 4 friends and play. If you're solo queueing suck it up and get used to the fact that the game has global appeal. The blind nationalism makes the US look like a group of fucking frat-boy man-children.

                                                      [–]deathrevived 50ポイント51ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      You're not wrong, but then remove the ability to thumb up languages to take away the illusion of trying to make communication compatible.

                                                      [–]fuck RussiaJim_my 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      That's my thought exactly. Why have English preference if everyone is speaking a different language? (I'm from Europe)

                                                      [–]two-time_tangler 33ポイント34ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      "Just deal with the fact that you're stuck playing a team game without the ability to communicate since your teammates don't feel like searching on their own servers"

                                                      [–]GO WINGS6roo7 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      the problem is that you can choose your matchmaking language. You want to play with 5 people who speak the same language? Don't be a fucking idiot and choose a language that you can speak as your matchmaking language

                                                      [–]<3 artourstevethegiantpenis 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      the language settings are 100% useless. everybody selects english regardless of their proficiency because 'muh queue times'.

                                                      [–]RIP IN PAPPARIKAKubelecer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      So what, just because people abuse the system we should just accept it as the norm and not force it to be fixed?

                                                      [–]PuppyCocktheFirst 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                      That's fair. I guess there's not much point in the language preference unfortunately since you can check whatever box you want. Not sure what the solution is, because it would be nice if that actually helped ensure you could queue with those who speak the same language.

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                                                        [–]Adolfvonschwaggin 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        You want to play with 5 people who speak the same language? Get 4 friends and play

                                                        Honestly, this kind of attitude is so cancerous. Just because you are content with the way you play doesn't mean you should dismiss other people's genuine concerns. Communication in dota is just as vital as having a stable ping. You wouldn't want a team of surgeons who can't understand each other operate on you.

                                                        Asking Valve for an 'English only' server is perfectly reasonable and is not 'racist'. Until then, queue in USW instead if you want more English-speakers.

                                                        The blind nationalism makes the US look like a group of fucking frat-boy man-children.

                                                        Nationalism has nothing to do with wanting to have English-only server. People like me are asking only to play who speak/understand the same language not the same colour or ethinicity.

                                                        [–]rtz plsInTheTreeWithTheAnon 20ポイント21ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                        And if you play video games because you don't have friends fuck you. That's the kind of environment valve is trying to make right?

                                                        No. It would be nice if there weren't people with 200 ping and no grasp of the english language playing on NA servers.

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                                                            [–]Tann1k 451ポイント452ポイント  (227子コメント)

                                                            the comments here just prove the toxicity in the community, yeah the fact that US East has a lot of south american players is annoying. But why make it racist by bringing up Trump and saying tacotacoburrito? which btw are all Mexican foods, Mexican people don't even play Dota, Mexico is dominated by League. If you're going to be a racist asshole at least be smart about it, that way you will at least have a possitive quality to your otherwise shitty self

                                                            [–](_̅_̅_̅_̅м̲̅ᴀ̲̅я̲̅ɪ̲̅ᴊ̲̅ᴜ̲̅ᴀ̲̅ɴ̲̅ᴀ̲̅_̅_̅_̅_̅(ด้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็)RightclickWarrior 217ポイント218ポイント  (33子コメント)

                                                            I bet those idiots say that shit because it's "ironic memeing" and therefore "funny"

                                                            [–]Your one true lord, AzgalorEpsi_ 106ポイント107ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            "just prank bro"

                                                            [–]"Surreptitiously"SpecialKangaroo 53ポイント54ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                            This is the excuse people use all the time so they can act like assholes. "I don't mean it." "It's a joke." "Technically something something not offensive." At the end of the day they're just being dicks.

                                                            [–]this hero is better than you thinkmyepicdemise 23ポイント24ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                            "You can choose whether to be offended or not"

                                                            [–]Balling out of controlWonton77 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            That's a favourite of mine.

                                                            How about "You can choose whether to be an asshole or not".

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                                                              [–]RX-782 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              Also when you argue against it you get called a sjw

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                                                                  [–]Nie200 22ポイント23ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                                  Mexican people don't even play Dota

                                                                  Zyzz triggered

                                                                  [–]Dazzldaddysonclark 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                  Zyzz is dead bruh.

                                                                  [–]http://www.dotabuff.com/players/44607913DrunkenJediKnight 3ポイント4ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                  In case of unaware: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Zyzz

                                                                  [–]dota2streamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                  Does he mean dead as in teamless?

                                                                  [–]http://www.dotabuff.com/players/44607913DrunkenJediKnight 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                  Nah, he was referring to a different Zyzz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aziz_Shavershian

                                                                  [–]dota2streamer 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                  "he suffered a heart attack and died at the age of 22."

                                                                  "Shavershian, an ethnic Kurd[14] born in Moscow,[15] was the youngest son of Maiane Iboian, who works in cardiology"

                                                                  "An autopsy revealed a previously undiagnosed congenital heart defect.[9] His family stated he had shown several minor symptoms in the few months leading up to August, including high blood pressure and occasional shortness of breath. He had a family history of heart problems."

                                                                  Holy shit lol.

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                                                                      [–]Your one true lord, AzgalorEpsi_ 65ポイント66ポイント  (48子コメント)

                                                                      can't expect racists to be smart

                                                                      [–]Coldara 18ポイント19ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      Mexican people don't even play Dota, Mexico is dominated by League

                                                                      that's racist

                                                                      kappa

                                                                      [–]i want a VG.R flair!!!tomasblazer 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                      tbh is true, the only country in latin america that dota beats lol in terms of popularity is peru

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                                                                        [–]the bestjokemon 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        toxicity to you seems to be "people who disagree with me"

                                                                        [–]the_threeBs 9ポイント10ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                                                        Exactly, it is Valves server on us east - not those guys server or anyone else who wants to speak their favorite language. It was maybe 5 minutes after slacks saying we were a big dota family and made everyone all tingly - the INTERNATIONAL - not yours gents.

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                                                                          [–]ChaosSmurf 184ポイント185ポイント  (25子コメント)

                                                                          On top of the lame-ass racism, Trump memes are about as funny as putting your mobile number on stream while advertising you're single.

                                                                          And nobody would ever be than unfunny.

                                                                          [–]Korvo!Invoqwer 21ポイント22ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                          Whenever I see those I assume its some dude "pranking" (harassing) someone else by using another guys number.

                                                                          [–]chilongquaisback 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                          Because "twitch memes" and Slacks are sooooo funny

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                                                                            [–]C9 Pls make doto team.Lurker_Since_Forever 31ポイント32ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                                            The signs are kind of shitty, but the sentiment is honestly something I can sympathize with. I don't personally mind the Spanish in the English server because I'm fluent in Spanish, but I understand that in a team game, having half the team speaking the wrong language, the one not selected in the queue, can be frustrating.

                                                                            [–]spooky cold guySillymicrobe 80ポイント81ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                            People need to keep their political views out of this. Leave it all at the door. When you come to KeyArena, come to watch Dota. These shit signs have nothing to do with this competition and are hardly clever or funny. On a different note, personally I think people tend equivocate racist statements with derogatory ones. Either way it isn't cool no matter how you look at it.

                                                                            [–]this hero is better than you thinkmyepicdemise 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                            I mean in the context of race, derogatory statements can usually be considered racist aren't they?

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                                                                              [–]ledditor_1337 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                              Trump is gonna make dota great again.

                                                                              [–]Kyoukori~n!Toshinou-Kyouko 100ポイント101ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                              /r/the_donald is leaking

                                                                              [–]lonelypanda 65ポイント66ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                              This all started when Kaci yelled CHICKEN TENDERS. They heard her call.

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                                                                                [–]1nv1ctvs 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                I would pay monthly for English only servers.

                                                                                [–]／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼Algyd 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                how would Valve stop people from using other language in English only servers?

                                                                                [–]1nv1ctvs 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                Have people answer questions like a capcha: "Please click on 5 adjectives in the word bank below." This process would weed out those who do not speak English and those who have no clue what an adjective is. This would doubly improve match quality.

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                                                                                  [–]Throwawaysteamsup 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  'I'm not complaining about trump' Why though? huehuehue

                                                                                  [–]triexe 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                  ITT: people that started playing multiplayer games with Dota2.

                                                                                  [–]I am that guy that uses ult on creeps for buggatiscancerclusterblaster 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  like this /r/dota2 doesn't complain about that all the time LUL

                                                                                  [–]Beastius 48ポイント49ポイント  (16子コメント)

                                                                                  Que?

                                                                                  [–]New Flair! Not Bandwagon KappaDotaNetski 13ポイント14ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                                                  Los chicos de trump nececitan morir porque ellos los pendejos. Ithink that's how you say it.

                                                                                  [–]the meme teamhimmeltoast 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                  Los chicos de Trump necesitan morirse porque ellos son pendejos.

                                                                                  FTFY, grammar

                                                                                  [–]Misery = GOATexpatToNZ 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                  that broken spanish I love it

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                                                                                      [–]Sirrrrrrrrr_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      butthurt detected.

                                                                                      [–]someperson99 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      ur all lame. it was a joke with a serious point. get over urselves

                                                                                      [–]Pof qbx jo gspou pg uif puifs! / Kb Kftufn Ebwbj!EboDbuQsp 35ポイント36ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                                                      This post's comment section is horrible holy shit.

                                                                                      Look guys, this guy ironically (but not 100% seriously) used a political slogan, plus generalized the whole Spanish speaking people with "Taco Taco Burrito".

                                                                                      I don't care how fucked up your servers are. Keep your political discussion out of TI, and respect other people's cultures. Simple as that. People gather around TI to enjoy good Dota, and what are you doing? Telling them to "get off my servers"?

                                                                                      No one is "triggered", no one is trying to be a SJW. If applying basic ethics to an international event is hard for you, maybe TI isn't exactly for you is it?

                                                                                      Keep the discussion in Reddit, not on screen.

                                                                                      [–]vonHonkington 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                      there is no ironic racism.

                                                                                      [–]aldehyde 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                      i wish valve would give me more reports because i wind up using them all on the 'hilarious' ironic racists that I queue with.

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                                                                                        [–]SevereWords 39ポイント40ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                                                        I know right? I mean don't get me wrong for practical purposes I think it makes more sense but TI is not the place to voice an opinion like that.

                                                                                        It makes us all look bad.

                                                                                        [–]TI6 WinnersDoctorRockGames 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        I don't like the idea that the signs were there, I found them annoying, but taco taco burrito is not racist. If people from South America said, "Get the Americans out of our servers, burger burger pizza fries, is that racist? No, it isn't.

                                                                                        [–]ShrikeGFX 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Lets be offended at a joke with a southpark reference, what a whiny world we live in

                                                                                        [–]correct my grammer plzPuppeythecat 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                        Why exactly should they be ashamed? Not flaming or even disagreeing just don't see the shame

                                                                                        [–]Ebola my boy, finally got an immortalVietSoundboarder 25ポイント26ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                        http://imgur.com/a/w6W2E

                                                                                        [–]ScribuhLz 30ポイント31ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                        ITT: Retards of reddit trying to bring politics into e-sports when 99% of them have absolutely no idea what they're talking about and just circlejerk over spewing bullshit

                                                                                        Either way, it's a private event and if Valve wants to do something about the signs they can, otherwise just deal with it. If you think the actions of a few individuals are going to change the way people look at americans then you're probably just as ignorant.

                                                                                        If some signs at an e-sport event ever changed a person's opinion of a whole continent of people then they are racist to begin with. This type of shit only affects the community when you let it, simple as that.

                                                                                        [–]haha funny memesDaisuki_ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                        Totally agree, also why do people care about what people outside of the dota community think. If they won't play dota because they saw those signs more power to em. Shitty reason not to play a video game but who gives a fuck about OPs strawman.

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                                                                                          [–]tflax21 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          I thought it was funny as hell

                                                                                          [–]KeepoHots 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                          Oh yay another post to offend all the neck beards on reddit. US East is fucked, and the south americans who play on it are bordering on retarded. This isn't a racism issue (the taco taco thing is but still tame), it's just a fact that most of the south americans who connect to USE are obnoxious and pretty retarded all around, just queue USE and you'll see, unless you're fairly high mmr. People think it's a generalization when others say this, but it's not, it really is not.

                                                                                          [–]4k, SF, Arc W, NagaGearking 55ポイント56ポイント  (22子コメント)

                                                                                          I fail to see what's wrong with English only servers... I can't play on US East anymore and have moved to US West which is about 70 ping higher because every game on US East I get some shitty Peruvians.

                                                                                          [–]randomkidlol 31ポイント32ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                                                                          idk whats funnier, the signs themselves or people overreacting to them

                                                                                          [–]are we out of beta now?mrthenarwhal 15ポイント16ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                                                          Maybe valve deserves a little bit of a bad image as a consequence for ignoring the fact that getting matched with a team you cannot hold a conversation with can lose you games. This is not a new problem, and valve is just suffering the repercussions of not solving it.

                                                                                          [–]Synxisback2k 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                          came in this thread to upvote a comment like this. Had to scroll way too far down to find one. I am sick of the weird old soviet symbols getting spammed in my EU west games and have sympathy for anyone having to endure simular bullshit regardless of which server they play on

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                                                                                            [–]tehcw 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            I like it. Its not a fun game when all my teammates are screaming jajajaaj brbrbrbrbrbr and other south american languages. Then they just start flaming everyone about why we suck when they are 0-11 and then they go afk. Ive wanted region lock since day one, but that wont happen. They least they could do is make is english speaking only.

                                                                                            [–]Denadias 21ポイント22ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                                            Can someone explain to me how ''Tacotacoburrito'' is racist ?

                                                                                            Btw before you downvote me, this is a legitimate question that I would really like to be answered. To me it just reads food food food.

                                                                                            Edit: Lol at getting downvoted for asking a legitimate question.

                                                                                            [–]mikesesh[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                                                            It's like saying "ching ching chong" to a Chinese person

                                                                                            [–]Denadias 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            Well I can see how that can be demeaming and racist.

                                                                                            I mean I really didnt know why so thanks for answering.

                                                                                            [–]stuff7 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                            It's more like saying "rice rice noddles" to a Chinese person. I'm sorry if I offended anyone

                                                                                            [–]AndThenJugPressed-R- 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                            What about a sign with "Rush B Cyka Blyat"? /s

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                                                                                                [–]pugnarToberWanKenober 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                WHAT'S WRONG WITH WANTING TO PLAY GAMES WITH ENGLISH SPEAKING PEOPLE? YOU GUYS KEEP BITCHING AND MOANING ABOUT THIS ISSUE. HYPOCRITES

                                                                                                [–]Speak english or suck my nutspoppaman 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Sure, the sign holders are cunts. Their delivery is racist, but the underlying message still stands. There are language preference selections when you queue. These Peruvians pick English (even if they don't speak it) and ruin games. Communication is a HUGE part of the game, and having English-only games would benefit so many players. There is no reason to have multiple languages spoken by people abusing the system to fuck over 4 other people who are simply playing by the rules.

                                                                                                [–]John_Milller 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                All the signs were stupid (for the last fucking week), but it isn't racist.

                                                                                                [–]WAOWyamateh87 27ポイント28ポイント  (50子コメント)

                                                                                                fuck you dude, do you know how it feels to play on US East? nobody speaks English and they'll flame you when you don't speak Spanish.

                                                                                                as for the taco and racist stuff i agree with you on that.

                                                                                                [–][deleted] 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Fuck that, the South Americans are the only ones who should be embarassed.

                                                                                                If you don't think it's a problem, you've never played on USE as an English speaker. I quit DotA because of it, and only follow tournaments now. Game has been out for over 4 years now, right? And still there's no true option to play with people who speak your language. It's fucking ridiculous.

                                                                                                [–]Flat ChestdstNN 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                i will get tons of downvotes but i don't fckin care:

                                                                                                so this is democracy? free will and free opinion? everything which doesn't fit the double standard gets called racism and gets it's signs taken away? are you friggin serious? this is not democracy. it's dictatorship, if you are not allowed to show what you think and what you want. get off my reddit please double-standard faglords with a big left-bernie-wing stick in their asses. cyka bljat.

                                                                                                [–]pufilicious 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                You're embarrassing yourself with these kind of posts

                                                                                                [–]billybailey 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                WHERES DARUDE BITCHES?

                                                                                                [–]gootch81 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                Response can't be blocked if it's not actually on reddit:

                                                                                                gootch81.blogspot.com

                                                                                                [–]SoraDotaSoraDota2 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                yau came here to drop a 'racism sucks' and leave

                                                                                                [–]Nature choseMrVad3r 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                I been playing dota for years now. I honestly dont get all the fuzz about people speaking different languagues issue. I usually mute people who are speaking different laguage at the game start. when i am ganking or somethin i usually check people's cd and if i think he can help me i ping on area he needs to pay attention. usually decent players will check whats goin on. i have stuff like take tower and get back etc on my chat options which i think translates to different languages automatically. best thing you can do to have a pleasant game is not argue with your team no matter what the reason might be.

                                                                                                and if you really want proper communication you better party with people who use chat/voice chat. you just add people who are communicating well and play with them. simple. in solo queue you just have to focus on your own game and constantly keep check on where your team is and make plays as per that. i recently moved from usa to sea region and frankly i am not having any issues at all and "muting" people u dont understand helps a lot and keeps u from getting triggered/aggitated.

                                                                                                oh by the way i joined some random sea group where only one guy understands english and we managed to win a battle cup. its really not that hard to win games with people who speak different languages.

                                                                                                [–]BagelWarlock 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                Looks like the general theme of this thread is "US players are complaining about nothing, other servers have it way worse," and getting outraged over the signs.

                                                                                                I don't think the signs were clever, especially including taco taco burrito was really stupid as it did make them look racist. I don't support those guys and their signs as they just end up making the rest of us look bad.

                                                                                                But I think the underlying issue for USE REALLY needs to be addressed. It's not a racial issue at all(for most players) but a language one. I personally know enough Spanish to understand what they are saying usually, but not enough to communicate to them.

                                                                                                Yesterday I was in a game where the other 9 players did not speak English. I'm sorry, you can spin this however you want, call me a racist or say SEA and EU servers are soooo much worse, but if I selected English in playing language and do not get one other player who speaks English, something isn't right. Plain and simple

                                                                                                [–]Catasterismi 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                why doesn't valve just analyze our chat logs to figure out what languages we type in and match people up based on the languages they speak? obviously letting people select their language preferences won't work because everyone picks English whether they can speak it or not.

                                                                                                [–]admirablefox 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Everyone here seems to be focused on language and saying that Americans should just deal with two languages because other servers have it way worse. Maybe so. My complaint against South Americans is that their ping is so high, that they literally cannot play as well as an American with equal MMR, regardless of their personal skill, because all their actions are delayed. Plus, their connections are far less stable and they DC way more often.

                                                                                                I know that this is out of their control, and that often their connections to the South American servers are worse. That's my point. When I and many others complain about South Americans on our servers, it's a complaint against Valve's servers and South American internet infrastructure in general, not the people, or their language. I have nothing against South Americans in general, but when an entire region is playing on your servers with 200-300 higher ping than you, it's a problem.

                                                                                                [–]OldColt 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                implying this is wrong

                                                                                                i want european only english servers too

                                                                                                [–]911muhdik 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                nah its the same as with immigrant invasion in europe, rich get richer while most other people suffer

                                                                                                [–]GunslingerYuppi 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                I'd vote for trump any day if we could get a russian free europe server. No shame in that when the russians are on EVERY server even if there is a russian server for them. For once I'd like to play a match with people that understand me and that I understand, without suka blyat, when I opt english and eu west.

                                                                                                [–]SoloQShouldExist 8ポイント9ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                                                Yeah they should totally be ashamed of themselves, but it's totally fun when we bully EE every time he loses a game, I'm sure that's much better. I'm not saying that either is bad or good, but you can't really have a double standard here.

                                                                                                [–]makemonis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                Get fucked OP.

                                                                                                [–]Kegsey 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                                                Dota 2 is ruined at low - medium skill because of people that play on USE/USW that can't even speak English. The worst part is they act like you're an asshole because you do.

                                                                                                [–]／人◕ ‿‿ ◕人＼Algyd 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                                                Don't you mean that they select English when they don't speak it? You don't have to speak English to queue on USE/USW.

                                                                                                [–]JIMMY DID ITIIceWeasellzz 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                I honestly don't know wtf you're talking about. This is exactly what the community needs. NA servers for English speakers would make DotA way more enjoyable. It's a fucking team game, so of course you need to communicate. And not to mention SA players are on average way fucking worse because they're less educated.

                                                                                                [–]-KZZ- 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                just more evidence that redditors need to be rounded up and placed in internment camps

                                                                                                [–]Twiztid_Dota 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                No they are right.

                                                                                                [–]kpiaum 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                                                I'll tell you what will happen: Valve probably will not do anything about the server. Next tournament will have a "wall" to not show this kind of thing from the audience. And they will blame the valve so, but in the end it was all caused by the very community.

                                                                                                For those who did not see, those were the signs. http://imgur.com/a/0L6Sk

                                                                                                [–]Giff Gud Cosmetic Plestaby69 6ポイント7ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                                                Taco taco burrito is over the top and racist. Quoting and mentioning Trump is not. It's ridiculous to claim that Trump supporters = racism.
                                                                                                Asking for English only servers is understandable if not justified. Adhere to the language selections and have an appropriate way of policing it.

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