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Too many times justice fails to prevail.
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 940 points• 941 points• 942 points  (142 children)
'Disillusioned', my ass. I wonder what caused her to become dissalusioned with Isis. It's not like the violence and evilness would come as a surprise once she got there. That's how they advertise and recruit; by romanticising it. I'm willing to bet that she regretted it because it was too hard, she didn't like the Somali husband she got in place of the handsome Arab jihadi warrior that she dreamed of, or any other reason besides having a change of morals. The phone call with her sister indicated that it's because she's scared; yet made no mention about how she had become anti-jihadist. I recall a story about a teenager who defected from Isis and everyone treated him like a hero for leaving; yet the reason he became dissalusioned with them was because they smoke and drank. Not becasue they kill, rape, torture, and enslave. People that join Isis in the first place can not be trusted back into society, no matter what they tell you.
Edit changed italics to apostrophes.
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[–]Frozen_Esper • 280 points• 281 points• 282 points  (54 children)
I smelled bullshit in that line as well. She (like any normal human being) didn't particularly want to die and it's clear that city is done for. She cast her lot in with the losers and was hoping she could play the role of scared damsel to slip back into the good life. Screw that. A year and a half into living with a marauding horde (that was well known for their violence to begin with) and suddenly she has thoughts on the matter? As the fuck if.
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[–]chinamanbilly • 146 points• 147 points• 148 points  (52 children)
She thought ISIS was winning when she left to join them. Unfortunately for her, then there was the Paris shootings and the Russian passenger jet getting blown up or whatever, and then America/Russia went super-duper ape-shit with the gloves off. For a while, the U.S. was trying to avoid civilian casualties and didn't bomb ISIS targets as hard. After Paris, the parameters were loosened. Then, of course, Russia joined in.
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[–]Subhazard • 158 points• 159 points• 160 points  (41 children)
And we all know Russia doesn't give a fuck
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[–]Naked-Viking • 43 points• 44 points• 45 points  (5 children)
The civilians in the area especially.
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[–]fissionman1 • 78 points• 79 points• 80 points  (4 children)
What civilians, comrade?
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[–]BiigMe • 65 points• 66 points• 67 points  (3 children)
I think he means the bonus points
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[–]badfan • 84 points• 85 points• 86 points  (2 children)
"We eliminated 12 ISIS members and 5 potential ISIS memebers."
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[–]acmesupply • 4 points• 5 points• 6 points  (9 children)
I love Russia
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[–]Subhazard comment score below threshold• -10 points• -9 points• -8 points  (8 children)
It's funny that terrorist attacks dont happen on Russian soil even though it's Russia that's killed the most civilians by far.
where does it happen most? France. Because they can get away with it.
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[–]Wang_Dong • 23 points• 24 points• 25 points  (2 children)
It's funny that terrorist attacks dont happen on Russian soil
Dude... Russia has suffered some of the most horrifying terrorist attacks in history.
I recognize that Russia is not exactly our best friend on the world stage, but I would never minimize the terrible tragedies they've suffered.
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[–]Subhazard • 9 points• 10 points• 11 points  (0 children)
I'm sorry.
I guess we just don't report Russian terrorist attacks. We ought to.
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[–]halfwoodenjacket • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
That Wikipedia article makes it sound like the Russian government were liable for a lot of that carnage.
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[–]donaldthelion • 9 points• 10 points• 11 points  (2 children)
They had a lot of problems years ago especially with chechen muslims. They went world war 2 on Chechnya and turned their capital to rubble. Also Russians don't just go after terrorists they go after the families as well. Russia doesn't fuck around
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[–]xXsnip_ur_ballsXx • 3 points• 4 points• 5 points  (1 child)
More like Russia doesn't give a shit about due process. Terrorists can kill hundreds, but a man like Stalin can kill millions.
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[–]mossy_penguin • 3 points• 4 points• 5 points  (0 children)
can he bloody did
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[–]fuckchuck69 • 2 points• 3 points• 4 points  (0 children)
Lat year ISIS blew up a Russian jet killing 224 people. What the fuck are you talking about?
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[–]AndrewWaldron • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
Russia, the hammer (and sickle) that sees everything as a nail.
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[–]Lesbian_Seagall • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
"Geneva Convention? More like Nerd Convention! Ha Ha Ha! Dis is good Russian humor!"
blows up your house
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[–]StringCheetoIncident comment score below threshold• -17 points• -16 points• -15 points  (21 children)
The U.S. doesn't give a fuck about civilians either. Our media just acts like we do. My brother in law is a helo pilot in the Marines and pretty much said that if there is a target, it gets taken out regardless of civilians in the way or not.
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[–]DJStump_a_Chump • 25 points• 26 points• 27 points  (0 children)
Horse shit.
Ive been in firefights where we were denied any kind of fire support because of where we were being shot at from more times than you have fingers.
These are situations where higher ups know they have troops in contact and decide its better for us to fight out of it than crush them as our doctrine dictates.
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[–]Subhazard • 6 points• 7 points• 8 points  (0 children)
Yeah that's bullshit.
The precise reason why the Iraq war went so poorly, is that the enemy hid behind civilians and ambushed from crowds.
If that were the case, and this were a total war (which is what you're talking about) Iraq would be a crater.
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[–]oss_spy • 24 points• 25 points• 26 points  (10 children)
That's a lie lol. Fuck outta here with that bullshit
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[–]StringCheetoIncident comment score below threshold• -21 points• -20 points• -19 points  (9 children)
It's not, it's the reality of war. Collateral damage, it's nothing new and has happened in every armed conflict in history.
Edit: did you forget that the united states dropped an Atomic fucking bomb and purposely killed civilians before?
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[–]oss_spy • 12 points• 13 points• 14 points  (8 children)
You know what's hilarious? Those were major industrial cities. They weren't civilian targets. The next thing is the claim that he would fire on civilian targets - either there is no brother, he's not a pilot, or he was joking with you
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[–]StringCheetoIncident comment score below threshold• -15 points• -14 points• -13 points  (7 children)
Brother in law* and I didn't say that the United States purposely will take out civilians or blatantly disregard them, but if there is target, lets say a known weapons cache, or training facility and they get the green light, it gets taken out if there are civilians or not. The US military does software based assessments (FAST-CD) on collateral damage.
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[–]oss_spy • 7 points• 8 points• 9 points  (6 children)
Weird how it all suddenly changes when you get called out. That's also a load of bullshit - getting air support is extremely difficult if there's a possibility of civilian casualties. There is also no such thing as a known weapons cache because you don't know it's there until you look in the house and see it, and since you're there, you might as well take care of it.
You're full of shit here.
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[–]decmcc • 5 points• 6 points• 7 points  (1 child)
"Eye in the sky" does a good job of showing how moderate people in these parts of the world can be easily radicalized by people working in the "great good"
Would recommend
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[–]bjornkeizers • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (0 children)
I'll second that; I quite enjoyed it.
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[–]fish_with_legs comment score below threshold• -29 points• -28 points• -27 points  (5 children)
Most Americans don't consider middle eastern people as human like how the nazis treat the jews.
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[–]Iamdarb • 11 points• 12 points• 13 points  (0 children)
Most? You got sources on that? You know most Americans personally? So most Americans are like Nazis... Got ya.
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[–]StringCheetoIncident • 13 points• 14 points• 15 points  (1 child)
Are you 12?
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[–]Menial_Tasking • 7 points• 8 points• 9 points  (0 children)
12 year olds aren't that dumb.
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[–]SparxxUI • 5 points• 6 points• 7 points  (0 children)
Most Americans don't consider middle eastern people as human

American here.
This is my opinion: If a person is a terrorist, they ARE less than human.

As for the other, well here are the facts:
Not all Middle Eastern people are terrorists, but the vast majority of all terrorists are Middle Eastern.
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[–]drunxor • 3 points• 4 points• 5 points  (0 children)
Lemme guess you think most of us are over weight and own a gun too
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[–]charlottechewie • -1 points• 0 points• 1 point  (0 children)
I laughed harder than I should have.
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[–]indoobitably • 13 points• 14 points• 15 points  (1 child)
She thought ISIS was winning when she left to join them
winning what, the most deaths?
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[–]PuffTheMagicBoy • 11 points• 12 points• 13 points  (0 children)
Pyrrhic victory.
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[–]MapleSyrupJizz • 28 points• 29 points• 30 points  (3 children)
The U.S is currently experiencing a munitions shortage.
The largest economy in the world, that is infamous for its massive military industrial complex, is dropping so many fucking bombs they are facing a munitions shortage.
And then there's still russia that doesn't have nearly as much political blowback about civilian casualties.
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[–]8_JanMichaelVincents • 2 points• 3 points• 4 points  (2 children)
How many bombs a day? Including Libya now?
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[–]bolognaSandywich • 4 points• 5 points• 6 points  (0 children)
So many. It says it right there man.
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[–]SnartFiffa • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
Nine.
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[–]moronsofrokc comment score below threshold• -8 points• -7 points• -6 points  (0 children)
See my comment to the other poster. You both have no clue what you're talking about.
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[–]Johngjacobs • 48 points• 49 points• 50 points  (6 children)
yet made no mention about how she had become anti-jihadist.
Yeah she basically said so herself.
'You know the borders are closed right now, so how am I going to get out? I am not going to go through PKK [Kurdish forces inside Syria] territory to come out, I am never going to do that, ever.'
She basically said she'd rather die than go through Kurdish forces and escape back to England. Meaning she valued her pride in ISIS more than she did her life. She didn't say she "couldn't" go through Kurdish forces as in she might fear what they'd do to her, she simply said she wouldn't go through them. So yeah she died because she didn't want to swallow her pride.
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[–]callmesnake13 • 20 points• 21 points• 22 points  (5 children)
I don't know about that. I definitely support the PKK over the other groups involved in Syria, but it's still a war, and so very ugly things happen and she might have been afraid of gang rape or torture. That isn't pride in ISIS, that's just basic fear and I doubt many of us would have made that decision either.
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[–]Johngjacobs • 18 points• 19 points• 20 points  (2 children)
she might have been afraid of gang rape or torture.
Then she could have said she couldn't go through the PKK but that's not what she said, she said she wouldn't "ever" go through them. She knew the borders were closed and she knew the PKK was a way out otherwise she wouldn't have mentioned them as an option.
I am not going to go through PKK [Kurdish forces inside Syria] territory to come out
She mentioned them as a way to come out of Syria because they were an option to get out, meaning she probably didn't see them as a threat or she wouldn't mention them as a solution to the problem of the boarders being closed.
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[–]callmesnake13 • 9 points• 10 points• 11 points  (1 child)
Then she could have said she couldn't go through the PKK but that's not what she said, she said she wouldn't "ever" go through them. She knew the borders were closed and she knew the PKK was a way out otherwise she wouldn't have mentioned them as an option.
We don't know why she said "ever", and don't have the information to do so. You're guessing it was pride, I'm guessing it was fear. I think fear is the more likely answer but we don't know.
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[–]Johngjacobs • 3 points• 4 points• 5 points  (0 children)
Yeah don't get me wrong I know we're both speculating about a situation neither of us was in and either of could be right and ultimately who's right doesn't matter because the outcome is already decided.
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[–]whaleonstiltz • 4 points• 5 points• 6 points  (1 child)
she might have been afraid of gang rape or torture.
That didn't stop her from joining ISIS.
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[–]callmesnake13 • -1 points• 0 points• 1 point  (0 children)
I'm not saying you should sympathize or agree with them obviously, but I'm from a family of diplomats and now essentially deal with people on a similar level for work today. The most important thing you need to understand in foreign relations is point of view.
To her, a teenage girl who has grown up steeped in religion and relative poverty, ISIS were righteous hotties who were essentially the Rebel Alliance fighting the Empire. We don't need to agree with that point of view, but that was where she was coming from when she left.
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 8 points• 9 points• 10 points  (0 children)
The woman looked mid eastern to me. It said that she was married to a Somalian Isis fighter. So this one had no trouble finding a bride.
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[–]superalienhyphy • 4 points• 5 points• 6 points  (1 child)
She probably just got tired of wiping her ass with handfuls of sand
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[–]chocolateboomslang • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
I'm tired of that and I've never even done it.
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[–]showershitters • 66 points• 67 points• 68 points  (4 children)
Personally, I blaim Tumblr
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[–]yoshi570 • 15 points• 16 points• 17 points  (0 children)
Lord of war reference, have my upvote.
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[–]ComradeSomo • 10 points• 11 points• 12 points  (0 children)
I blame the hip hop
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[–]Pleasant_Jim • 3 points• 4 points• 5 points  (0 children)
If only they joined the sub /r/umblr, it would have been a place for them to take their aggression out.
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[–]SLOTH_POTATO_PIRATE [score hidden]  (0 children)
You could spew shit all over tumblr and anyone would believe it.
Source: I have a shitty blog for my photography and idiots follow me.
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[–]Naught • 31 points• 32 points• 33 points  (15 children)
Why are you spelling disillusioned that way and italicizing it?
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 52 points• 53 points• 54 points  (14 children)
Because I suck at spelling. It's italicised because she didn't become disillusioned. She got scared when shit got real. Article almost made it seem like she turned against Isis.
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[–]GALACTICA-Actual • 32 points• 33 points• 34 points  (13 children)
Just for future reference: italics [disillusioned] are used for emphasis. (Italics can be used for other things as well.) When you want to represent a word or phrase as disingenuous or mockingly you use the apostrophe marks, (also called single quotation marks): 'disillusioned'.
Also, never use quotation marks for emphasis. Internet grammar usage affords a little flexibility sometimes, but this a sin, and God will smite you.
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 10 points• 11 points• 12 points  (3 children)
TIL. Thanks.
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[–]GALACTICA-Actual • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (2 children)
I used to be on the Most Wanted list my spelling and grammar was so bad. I understand the struggle.
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[–]shadow_control • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (1 child)
It's almost like, once people start posting on the internet, everything you learned from elementary to high school goes out the window and you're writing like a second grader again.
How does this happen?
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[–]GALACTICA-Actual • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (0 children)
It does get to ridiculously illiterate levels. But grammar and spelling can be really hard for some people. There are a lot of damn rules, and many of them can be confusing.
As to how it happens: Laziness. No one knows who I am, so why care? I'm just on here to burn time, relax, yell at people, I'm not here to work or put effort in.
Nothing criminal in that. But despite what people think, it becomes habit. It becomes like many of the other unconscious things we do: How we sit, how we tilt or head, fidget with our ring, twirl our pen. Poor writing seeps into our emails, then our business emails, work documents, paperwork we fill out.
I am far from perfect. My ex, who is a writer by profession, once said to me: "You never met a comma you didn't like." I still have to proof the Hell out of everything I write.
I used to be horrible. I found something one day that I written in my 20s. I didn't know whether to frame it or burn it and kill myself it was so embarrassing.
Spelling and grammar are like a muscle: The more you use it the stronger it gets. I don't feel people need to be perfect. But yeah... There's some pretty dismal stuff out there.
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[–]XRayCatVsWoodenDoors • 5 points• 6 points• 7 points  (6 children)
When you want to represent a word or phrase as disingenuous or mockingly you use the apostrophe marks, (also called single quotation marks): 'disillusioned'.
What's your source for this? References like the AP Stylebook say to use regular quotation marks to indicate irony in the way disillusioned was used here.
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[–]GALACTICA-Actual • -2 points• -1 points• 0 points  (5 children)
Just what I was taught. I don't remember seeing the AP recomendation in any of my style guides, but style guides vary. The New York Times SG varies from The Chicago Manual of Style which varies from The Blue Book of Grammar and Punctuation, and so-on.
Even giving the Chicago Manual of Style a quick look I couldn't find that attribution. (Could be in there, but it's a big damn book.)
Far be-it for me to call the AP wrong, their writing is some of the best out there. But I would still never use double quotation marks in that way. Using them for that function, to me, is like using air quotes when you're speaking to someone. I'm not Dr. Evil.
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[–]XRayCatVsWoodenDoors • 4 points• 5 points• 6 points  (4 children)
Well, it looks like you can't site a source for what you're saying is correct usage, so I would advise people reading your suggestion to not start following it automatically.
You're talking about something that's pretty technical in terms of writing and if you're confident enough to tell someone they're wrong and then provide a solution, you should be able to say "This is where it's from, this is what makes it legitimate."
I re-read the style guides I use at work frequently because I know trusting "what I was taught" without any refresher or self-doubt is a good way to make a mistake. Also, I can't remember seeing the usage for irony/mock quotes you're advocating outside of a few casual uses. I'll take this all back if you can show me a source or some examples beyond casual message board posts and Yahoo Answers, at least, but otherwise it kind of sounds like something you've made up or synthesized from another concept or group of concepts.
It doesn't really matter how you would personally use something or whether it sounds good to you or not, personal usage that goes against established guidelines just muddies the issue. What matters if you're going to give someone else technical advice on writing is whether or not the authorities on the topic, as imperfect and limited as they are for a language that doesn't have a single, definitive guide to or fully empowered authority for these kinds of technical issues, say it's an appropriate use or not.
Edit: If you look at this Lexicon Valley column around the tenth paragraph, it specifically says single quotes for irony are wrong, at least in the sense that that guidance isn't present in a variety of style guides. It also says it's a common misconception that single quotes should be used to indicate irony because of crowdsourced answers providing the wrong information.
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[–]GALACTICA-Actual • -3 points• -2 points• -1 points  (3 children)
Your free to use what you want, and tell people I'm wrong. I'm comfortable with my usage and what I said.
I'm sure there are things that contradict me. I've got a bankers box of style and grammar books and manuals that I have found contradictions in, and I had to decide which I felt was correct. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. But I'm still okay with what I said.
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[–]XRayCatVsWoodenDoors • 3 points• 4 points• 5 points  (2 children)
Your free to use what you want, and tell people I'm wrong. I'm comfortable with my usage and what I said.
You are objectively wrong because you can't/won't site a source or give an example, and I found a legitimate source that specifically says the usage you're promoting is wrong.
You shouldn't go around telling people that something is objectively correct when it's just correct inside your own head, that has no meaning to anyone besides you and doesn't do any good for anyone besides you. Using single quotes is just as wrong as using italics to indicate irony to most people besides you, and certainly to people who care enough to read and follow style guides.
I don't give a shit if that's how you want to write, but it's really dumb and irresponsible to act like an authority on punctuation and give unsolicited advice to other people when you can't tell if you're right in any sort of meaningful sense, outside of your own head.
I figure someone who would give that kind of advice to people unsolicited would be more interested in being actually, technically correct than just promoting their own personal style.
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[–]GALACTICA-Actual • -1 points• 0 points• 1 point  (1 child)
Then I think everyone should listen to you, and not me.
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[–]vestigial • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
Double quotations are more the norm, I think. Witness the international sign for air quotes.
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[–]Hara-Kiri • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
However in England it's different, we use the ' and " quotation marks opposite to you before you try and correct us!
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[–]euphonious_munk • 10 points• 11 points• 12 points  (5 children)
I imagine, as a 16-year-old girl, she romanticized what life with ISIS would be like. It's one thing to watch videos, another to be there. I am sure whatever dreamed-up notions she had fell away once she found herself in the reality.
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[–]antholagnia • 4 points• 5 points• 6 points  (2 children)
I am sure whatever dreamed-up notions she had fell away once she found herself in the reality.
What was the ideal situation? Marry a handsome ISIS guy and have power over other muslims? Spread Islamism and create more personal power and control for Islam around the world?
What's the most ideal outcome of her going there and being successful in whatever she was trying to do?
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[–]euphonious_munk • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (1 child)
The reality of life in Raqqa, a deprived, depleted, dilapidated and desperate war zone.
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[–]antholagnia • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
She didn't sound stupid to me. I think she knew that but was planning long term. I really have no idea, though. I'm just supposing. I'm super curious to know what she wanted out of it because it was so risky for her.
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[–]Mossley • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (1 child)
That's generally the view taken in the UK. ISIS propaganda only shows the shits and giggles bits, convincing vulnerable young people that it's their duty to help. By the time they arrive and find out it's too late to back out.
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[–]jonk88 • 15 points• 16 points• 17 points  (0 children)
Their videos made beheading infidels or burning them alive look like such fun. Who needs Pokemon GO when you've got ISIS?
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[–]NuggetWorthington • 2 points• 3 points• 4 points  (0 children)
She became your username...that was her problem
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[–]heronumberwon • 6 points• 7 points• 8 points  (0 children)
Good that she died than become a sleeper cell agent which might've risked UK safety. And such morons deserve to die a painful death.
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[–]footyconnoisseur comment score below threshold• -7 points• -6 points• -5 points  (6 children)
I feel the same way about trump supporters. Even when the election is over, they can't be trusted.
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 14 points• 15 points• 16 points  (5 children)
People that want their candidate to win the election so badly that they compare their opponent to Isis are the exact reason Trump became popular in the first place. He's a direct result of the left (and I have a lot of leftist opinions) refusal to engage their opponents, so they elected someone who says fuck you right back.
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[–]KingMong • -3 points• -2 points• -1 points  (2 children)
trump literally said obama created ISIS, he went there first
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[–]jonk88 • 6 points• 7 points• 8 points  (0 children)
trump literally said obama created ISIS
This week
he went there first
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (0 children)
You are way too caught up in team politics if you read that as a defense of Trump.
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[–]footyconnoisseur comment score below threshold• -9 points• -8 points• -7 points  (1 child)
All I see is a modern day Hitler making it easy to recognize the bigots in society.
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[–]dianthe • 7 points• 8 points• 9 points  (0 children)
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[–]InfieldTriple comment score below threshold• -21 points• -20 points• -19 points  (19 children)
Couldn't you consider that she knew someone or some form of media had convinced her that all the things we see and hear about ISIS being evil is propaganda?
I mean how do we know that most of what we see isn't government created. I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying from her perspective what she might've thought.
Edit: If you're downvoting me because you think I'm saying that videos we see of ISIS are propaganda you are sadly mistaken. I've seen all the videos, I know what they've done. I'm just trying to give some perspective on a misguided teenager
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 34 points• 35 points• 36 points  (16 children)
Because Isis puts out their own statements and videos bragging about what they do and what they want to do. I seriously doubt that Isis would downplay their rhetoric for recruiting people when they make such efforts to publicly step it up.
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[–]InfieldTriple comment score below threshold• -15 points• -14 points• -13 points  (15 children)
I seriously doubt that Isis would downplay their rhetoric for recruiting people when they make such efforts to publicly step it up.
I didn't say it was ISIS directly who may have fed her this misinformation.
Because Isis puts out their own statements and videos bragging about what they do and what they want to do.
How do you know it's definitely ISIS? Like I think it is, but how do I know? How do you know? I think someone who is really upset with where they live (like halk of the UK hating muslims) I could see that person convincing themselves that its propaganda.
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[–]Psyblader • 12 points• 13 points• 14 points  (6 children)
How do you know you're definitely human? Maybe aliens kidnapped you and switched you with an alien sleeper who took your identity and you don't realize? I understand what you mean, but if you assume the unlikeliest things you can also say she accidentally walked into the wrong plane flying to Turkey and then tripped into a van bringing her to the Syria.
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[–]InfieldTriple comment score below threshold• -9 points• -8 points• -7 points  (5 children)
Believing someone you trust is a lot different than making up stories. There is a lot of evidence to suggest our governments don't like their people knowing everything. None of it suggests that they deserve ISIS but it wouldn't be completely unheard of for someone to come to the conclusion that they do.
Try thinking in someone else's shoes. Ask yourself why someone might join ISIS. The answer is not that they are evil
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[–]Psyblader • 5 points• 6 points• 7 points  (4 children)
Even if they don't want to actively participate in the brutal killing, the slavery and the rapes they still tolerate it as it happens right in in front their doors. No, you even wanted to live in a place, where all that is done legally. That is evil.
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[–]InfieldTriple • -1 points• 0 points• 1 point  (3 children)
Frankly, you can learn to love anyone once you hear their story
Quote from Mr. Rogers. I think it has a lot of relevance here. I think we're projecting our enemies to be nothing but Evil to make ourselves feel better about fighting them. The best way to gain morale against an enemy is to truly believe they are nothing but evil. But is it true? Likely not.
Clearly criminals but I'd like to hear their stories before judging them. (When I say judging here, I don't refer to a court of law. Joining ISIS should get you sent to prison).
I don't think I'm defending her actions. I just want to give them context.
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[–]Psyblader • 2 points• 3 points• 4 points  (1 child)
I don't understand this hippie mindset. What story do you want to hear? That they are totally fine with killing infidels, just because they don't believe in the same god? That they want to kill you and your whole family if they get to you? Making videos of the beheading and rape of your mother? I read an unbiased book about the IS by a reporter called Jürgen Todenhöfer. He was inside the IS for one week, made interviews, met important persons etc. He wanted to understand them. He made me understand them. But he also showed why they are evil from the ground up. They are the pure manifestation of evil. They don't care for life. They care for power. People who don't care for innocent life are evil.
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[–]InfieldTriple • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
I don't understand this hippie mindset.
The mindset is, all of us are the same species. You aren't born with hate, it is learned.
That they are totally fine with killing infidels, just because they don't believe in the same god?
All terrible. They should probably be executed for their crimes. I don't normally believe in execution but really this is when its called for.
They are the pure manifestation of evil.
Thats a really good was to simplify the problem.
You seem to think I'm a sympathizer. But my above comments should demolish that notion, if it indeed exists. What do you mean by a pure manifestation? The devil himself? That type of stuff, good versus evil, isn't real on earth.
Like really if we caught every active member of ISIS they should probably just be executed. I would say prison but then we'd have to pay to house them and I don't really want to do that. These people do incredibly evil things.
But We're talking about one girl here. I think she did get what was coming. I really do. But I don't think that she, this girl that lived in the UK (Her parents also presumably live there and have yet to leave to go join ISIS), probably attended public school, probably had friends who were not muslim.
I think a lot of Radical Muslims believe that the west (EU and NA) do evil things. I agree with them. Europe, USA and Canada are places that commit insane atrocities in that part of the world. And if they aren't committing them they watch with a blind eye. I can see why they become radical. I think they have very good reasons to rebel. Just not like this.
There is the religious factor as you mentioned but there aren't many stand alone terrorists that weren't motivated by terrorists groups in the middle east.
The people who are here should be cherished and protected as one of our own.
People who don't care for innocent life are evil.
They do care for innocent life. That's what's amazing. They care for their own. They aren't savages who sacrifice children of their own creed. They believe that we are not innocent. I believe they are wrong. You believe they are wrong. Most of the world believes they are wrong.
The quote I presented to you isn't meant to abolish crimes they commit. But simply to seek reason and understanding so that when time comes to pass and ISIS disappears then this won't happen again.
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[–]HydroRaven • 12 points• 13 points• 14 points  (7 children)
That's life. You either choose the path of reason and logic (the numerous accounts from independently verified sources of Daesh's rape, murder, torture, etc.) or the path of religious fanaticism and jihadism (going into an active war zone in order to fulfil some religious prophecies). She made her decision and thankfully paid the price for her poor, misguided choice.
My only wish is, and I know there is absolutely no chance of this happening, that her parents feel guilty for the poor set of morals they gave their daughter.
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[–]AJxStyles • -1 points• 0 points• 1 point  (1 child)
My only wish is, and I know there is absolutely no chance of this happening, that her parents feel guilty for the poor set of morals they gave their daughter.
See this is where I stop agreeing with you. You have no way of knowing how they raised this kid. This kid could have had a great upbringing for all we know and the kid was just a shitty person in the end. The parents have probably been feeling like shit since their kid left.
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[–]HydroRaven [score hidden]  (0 children)
All I have to do is look at her pictures and her other family members and it tells me what kind of upbringing she had, more specifically which faith she had. The Qran directly prescribes what Daesh is doing now.
To quote Sam Harris on this one: "If you hear about a suicide bomber, what is the one assumption you can make with 'deadly' accuracy? Their religion"
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[–]InfieldTriple comment score below threshold• -9 points• -8 points• -7 points  (4 children)
She made her decision and thankfully paid the price for her poor, misguided choice.
She died, mate. Nobody should be happy. Even if she intended to become a full on terrorist and had no intentions of turning around. It's always a sad day when someone dies because of this type of this, religious fanaticism.
I don't think her story is simply one of being pure evil. It is one of hate and confusion and suffering. And that is sad
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[–]JJJacobalt • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (1 child)
She wanted part of a terrorist cell who constantly advertise how much they love killing, raping, and pillaging. She sure as fuck isn't getting sympathy from me. A zealot that wanted to murder for her irrational beliefs died. I know my day was made a bit better knowing scum like this got exactly what they deserve.
Mr. Rogers, while a nice and genuinely good human being, is wrong. Not everyone behaves rationally. Not everyone has relatable pasts. There are many that are more willing to side with emotion and fanaticism over logic and reason. People who cannot change. People whom the world would be better off without.
This girl is one of those people. And she paid the price.
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[–]InfieldTriple • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
She sure as fuck isn't getting sympathy from me.
Still after all this you misunderstand me. All you want is blood. But maybe if we all wanted a little less blood we'd understand why she left and be able to prevent others in the future.
Not everyone behaves rationally.
They do. They behave within their own set of rules
Not everyone has relatable pasts.
I have a hard time believing that members of ISIS haven't seen some shit. Or been lied to, along with outright racism where they live, to get to this point.
logic and reason
This gets mentioned a lot. But to me it's completely rational to assume that these people have undergone hardships.
This girl is one of those people. And she paid the price.
I agree. You could say she got what she asked for. Violence. It still makes me sad seeing young people go into this. And to me thats a more productive emotion instead of rage or hatred.
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[–]HydroRaven [score hidden]  (0 children)
My enemy died, I am damn happy about it. I did not wish death upon her, but am glad she met that fate. This is someone that has joined an organization that has declared a religious war against the western way of life, namely emancipation, the empowerment of women, democracy and such.
You don't realize you have enemies and don't know how far they will go before you are annihilated. How many times do you hear of acts of extreme cruelty and barbarism committed in the region? Just think about this: this is how they treat one of their own who has made a mistake. Now can you fathom what they would do to you, someone they not only see as their sworn enemy but also as their gateway to infinite rewards and pleasure.
Think of it this way: if ISIS ever lays their hands on thermonuclear weaponry, what do you think will happen to the world? And what is ISIS if not their members, which this woman was one of?
I'm not advocating we put all Muslims in the same basket, but someone who actively joined Daesh? In the end she chose her side and I will sleep soundly tonight knowing she isn't a threat to us anymore.
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[–]RSRussia • -1 points• 0 points• 1 point  (1 child)
That's what the recruiters do. But people are short sighted and condemn everyone that "doesn't have common sense like me". Even though they might be equally misinformed on other subjects :/
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[–]Anosognosia comment score below threshold• -6 points• -5 points• -4 points  (10 children)
People that join Isis in the first place can not be trusted back into society, no matter what they tell you.
We need to try to readjust them back to society. Slow and steady with some supervision of course. But you don't push a human inte a corner and not expect bad things to happen. Give them an out and you won the battle before it starts.
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 11 points• 12 points• 13 points  (9 children)
i don't want a single tax dollar wasted supervising her when it's cheaper to kill her. Her life means absolutely zero to me. Plus it would set an example to any other girls thinking about it.
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[–]xXsnip_ur_ballsXx comment score below threshold• -8 points• -7 points• -6 points  (4 children)
Compassion is what makes us better than them. If we stoop to their level then they've already won.
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[–]SupermegaultraAIDS • 7 points• 8 points• 9 points  (0 children)
That isn't stooping to their level. ISIS brutalizes men, women and children en masse because they're evil pieces of shit. Distrusting/hating someone who willingly contributes to their barbarism is not even close to being on par with them or their behaviour and it's honestly ridiculous to insinuate otherwise.
Compassion is fine, but so is common sense. To each their own, but I'd sooner save my pity for the victims of senseless violence, not those who contribute to it.
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[–]JJJacobalt • 3 points• 4 points• 5 points  (0 children)
This isn't a matter of "compassion" or moral high-grounds. There is a threat to civilians. That threat needs to be eliminated. They don't deserve redemtion. They made their choice.
Life isn't a fairy tale. People only change when they wanto to, they don't just change by being nice to them. And even if they could, are these murderous zeolots really worth the effort?
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[–]heronumberwon • 2 points• 3 points• 4 points  (0 children)
Why don't we start with contributing your annual salary?
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[–]antholagnia • 2 points• 3 points• 4 points  (0 children)
She's the enemy.
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[–]vibrate comment score below threshold• -8 points• -7 points• -6 points  (3 children)
It won't be your tax dollars, it will be British pounds.
Therefore you don't have a say.
By the way, the UK doesn't have capital punishment because, you know, it's barbaric.
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (1 child)
You realise that given the fact that she's already dead, were speaking hypothetically. The fact that it's the UK, not America doesn't change my argument one single bit. And lastly, I'm pretty sure America did have the final say.
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[–]dwwojcik • 0 points• 1 point• 2 points  (0 children)
Well according to the article it was a Russian bomb that served justice in this instance.
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[–]moronsofrokc comment score below threshold• -15 points• -14 points• -13 points  (4 children)
'Disillusioned', my ass. I wonder what caused her to become dissalusioned [sic] with Isis. It's not like the violence and evilness would come as a surprise once she got there. That's how they advertise and recruit; by romanticising it.
You, sir, are talking out of your ass. In a nutshell, your argument is that we live in an ideal world where people's minds are computers that either dispassionately calculate the correct answer to problems, or else don't work at all because the person is evil. Unfortunately, that's not how life really is. Education and life experience play a big role in how smart people are. When those two things are lacking people tend to reason things emotionally. They do what feels good for them without thinking about the consequences or effects on themselves or other people. That's the main source of a lot of destructive (not to mention self-destructive) behavior.
If people only cared about right and wrong (assuming they're not evil), why is rap music, which romanticizes narcissism, misogyny, and "violence and evilness" (as you put it) so popular? The fact that it pushes nothing but bad ideas is so glaringly obvious you'd need to be blind not to see it, yet it's not just people who don't know any better (because they've grown up in poverty, spent their lives only around ignorant people, etc), but the educated segment of society (the people that went to college and write "detail-oriented problem solver with strong critical thinking skills" in their resumes) that most enthusiastically pays homage to this subculture and tries to talk and act "gangsta". In today's society hip hop isn't just accepted in the way that say, death metal or belief in a flat ear are, but mainstream. Why is that, if all you need to deduce right from wrong is a functioning brain?
Anyway, as for the specifics of IS and people that fall in thrall to their ideology, my view (I've spent a decade combined in the middle east, including six years in Libya, and I've spoken to lots and lots (really) of people who both support and used to support IS, so I'm afraid it's rather more informed than yours) is that most of the people you hear about are uneducated and just don't know any better. When they travel there and see for themselves the tangible consequences of something that used to be just abstract, their own naiveness and poor thinking becomes clear to them. So yes, I do think that it's quite possible for people to become disillusioned with an idea they were previously attracted to, and that in reality this is usually the cause of people trying to escape or defect or whatever you want to call it.
As for the case you mentioned reading about, the guy could just as well have gotten fed up and left because the people he was with lacked weapons, organization, etc. Just because he still believes in the same ideology is no proof that it's impossible for people to become disillusioned.
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 6 points• 7 points• 8 points  (3 children)
All that you write after talking out your ass was a waste of time. If you would like for me to engage you back and possibly have a chance to change my view, edit the insult out and resend your comment.
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[–]moronsofrokc comment score below threshold• -12 points• -11 points• -10 points  (2 children)
I'm sorry my use of that phrase hurt your feelings. Your options are A. grow a thicker skin, and convince me that it's incorrect or B. find a safe space.
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[–]Cum_Farm_Manimal • 5 points• 6 points• 7 points  (1 child)
If you cared about your cause, you would have explained. If you wanted to virtue signal how righteous you are, throw out insults to demonstrate how much on the good guy side you are. I don't reward virtue signalling.
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[–]moronsofrokc • -1 points• 0 points• 1 point  (0 children)
You don't reward what? Actually whatever it is doesn't matter. What do you reward? I like rewards and I'd like to get some of whatever it is you give out.
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[–]ChocolatePopes • -4 points• -3 points• -2 points  (0 children)
My question is could we not say the same for other fringe groups? I've heard stories of many ex-skinheads recovering back to society
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[–]bartink • -5 points• -4 points• -3 points  (0 children)
She was 15. Cut the girl some slack. She paid for her poor judgment, I promise you.
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[–]ChocolatePopes • -4 points• -3 points• -2 points  (1 child)
My question is could we not say the same for other fringe groups? I've heard stories of many ex-skinheads recovering back to society
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[–]No_Shadowbannerino • 1 point• 2 points• 3 points  (0 children)
Skinheads = ISIS
Great comparison
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