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[–]someguyinahat 292ポイント293ポイント  (47子コメント)

They didn't consider that it's the other way around? That kids who are smart are the ones who gravitate towards video games?

[–]mapkin 195ポイント196ポイント  (32子コメント)

Perfect example of Correlation =\= Causation

But it makes for interesting journalism.

[–]ThatsMyHoverboard 30ポイント31ポイント  (26子コメント)

Some of these quotes seem a bit obvious though.

Such as the one from Albert Posso.

Why would violent video games be used to teach kids?

[–]squid0gaming 60ポイント61ポイント  (25子コメント)

Why would violent video games be used to teach kids?

Situational awareness, hand-eye coordination, problem solving, teamwork.

[–]Vladus38 33ポイント34ポイント  (19子コメント)

Mother of God. We're making super soldiers.

[–]Gonzobot 19ポイント20ポイント  (16子コメント)

I've said since Goldeneye that the army should just invest in autonomous drone robots that are roughly humanoid enough to pick up a gun, and just videolink it to kids playing video games. Don't even tell them they're controlling a robot, why bother?

[–]geauxtig3rs 34ポイント35ポイント  (4子コメント)

So...Ender's Game?

Neat.

[–]Gonzobot 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Kinda, but without the horrifying "I killed the whole fleet of my own guys, awesome" aspect. Generally speaking, any of the fucknauts from XboxLive would probably be perfectly okay with controlling the robot and murdering bad guys.

[–]ixijimixi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Followed by a massive PK fest

[–]The_Naked_Snake 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"In news today, United States Patrol Drones encountered a terrorist cell earlier today in a remote area of Syria. The drones acted swiftly to 720 no-scope the cell in a ten minute conflict, delivering a freedom tea bag afterwards much to the delight of the region's natives."

[–]demencia89 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://vimeo.com/147365861

[–]enragedbee 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

"haha wow these graphics nowadays"

[–]Zefirus 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean if it worked for Ender.

[–]SCB39 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

World War 3: slappers only, no Oddjob.

[–]goplayer7 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

What happens if they leave in the middle of the game? Or wants to go back to a previous save?

[–]ajbpresidente 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

AI takes over. At least it won't be anything like Halo I or Halo II friendly AI though.....hopefully

[–]Tockco 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ironman mode, there is no revert save option, and if you die your character is dead. I guess the only difference is it would be like say dead space where you have to find "uplink" spots to save your progress.

[–]Gonzobot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Robots are downright disposable considering the budget the army has.

[–]demencia89 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://vimeo.com/147365861

[–]Gonzobot 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was an Outer Limits episode like that too, a while back. Some space station thing with an invading alien force, and a small group of people fighting their way through, but they had to constantly take doses of a counteragent to the alien's atmosphere so they wouldn't start hallucinating and shooting their fellow people.

Last scene is the last survivor we've been following, out of medicine and crazy shaking and seeing things, getting gunned down by another human. The newly arrived squad moves to her body, and the commander reminds the shooter to take his medicine before touching the dead alien.

[–]GhostDieM 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well they're pretty much doing this with drone strikes. Just 'pilots' with a joystick somewhere on the ground flying a drone bombing shit.

[–]ixijimixi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been expecting this since I was a kid going to the arcade

[–]VenezuelanStableBoy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We're all soldiers now

[–]JustBronzeThingsLoL 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at me. Look at me. I'm the soldier now.

[–]gladamirflint 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. I'm using this as part of my 3-part presentation on why I should be allowed to play Doom.

[–]GovSchnitzel 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not answering the question; those things aren't specific to in-game violence. Obviously, Doom isn't going to make it into classes just because you could say it teaches "situational awareness".

[–]Moezso 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yea, kids with zero exposure to violence are going to be victims when they are finally faced with it.

[–]AL3XCAL1BUR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus survival skills and how to be cool.

[–]hedgehog543 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree 100%!

[–]Quote_Poop 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I came here to say something similar. It's fun when we're the target demographic that it says is smart, but it seems much more like people who are smart will play video games indoors and people struggling might look to social media to see what's up.

[–]Sam-Gunn 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you mean Yellow Journalism!

[–]dagbiker 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most study's are wrong. The need to get published, and have a significant 'discovery' leads to bad study's with bad interpretation of data.

[–]Housetoo -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

unless you know otherwise, why assume the media is trying to stab you in the back and lie to us all?

i find it very difficult to put myself in the position of people who are always suspicious of everything.. why? how? why?

[–]Autarch_Kade -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like that's literally every science article posted on Reddit.

When are we going to see one that's like "Yep, definitely causation this time."

[–]GandalfTheWhey 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is most likely at least half of the reason... but I'm always happy to see any kind of "evidence" or reports that are in our favor. I was in high school around the time that GTA III came out and the news stories relating violence and this game together were insane. That has gone done tremendously, THANK GOD. It was so bad that some stores wouldn't carry the game and I had 16 and 17 year old friends who were told by their parents they weren't allowed to play the game.

[–]Gonzobot -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

To be fair, these games are rated M for mature, meaning under 18 isn't allowed to purchase without parental consent. If your parents think you're not mature enough to handle a video game, you probably are exactly the type of person that should be prevented from playing with a murder simulator.

[–]wowthatsabigpotato 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or the parents aren't mature enough to realize it's just a video game...

[–]GandalfTheWhey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aha! I believe the age was(is?) 17 for mature rated games. And it wasn't the maturity level that was the problem back then (early 2000s), it was the fear mongering by the media. Also, not meaning to nitpick but it definitely wasn't and the series isn't a murder simulator...

[–]smokeyrobot 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

The authors of the actual study considered this and mention it in the study results. That is to say they did not rule it out.

[–]indeedItIsI 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting. I'm sure there is a bit of both.

[–]ArchDucky 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats not true, there's plenty of dumb dumbs playing video games. Case in point, Rise of Tomb Raider. Crystal Dynamics had to make the majority of the puzzles optional because of the stupid people who can't solve them.

[–]Thank_You_Love_You 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed.

[–]hedgehog543 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that it's a little bit of both and that kids that get good grades in these subjects tend to play video games and that kids that like video games get good grades. All we know is that there is a correlation. I imagine there is also a balance in that you still need to spend some time studying in order to get good grades, but that a certain amount of gaming can help. Growing up, I used to tell my mom that video games improved your ability to think fast and that it helped devellop logic skills. She still didn't believe me. I'll have to show her this tonight.

[–]NSAPartyVanMK4 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

one hundred times this.....

[–]TonyTheTiger5858 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is this sarcasm or are you being serious? I thought that's what the article explained?

[–]EnderSword 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Studies almost never imply or state causation, the media usually does that when reporting on a study afterwards.

[–]ssalamanders 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the same is true with the "genius = lonely/depressed". I think some people who have those issues seek escape in books, learning, games, etc. which makes them better problem solvers...

[–]IforgotwhatIwasdoing -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

My sister has her masters and is a socialite both on- and offline. She prefers watching other people play games over playing them herself.

[–]jimmyfatcat 31ポイント32ポイント  (2子コメント)

Make sure you tell your parents you found the article on reddit.

[–]big-fireball 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, cut it out. We're trying to feel superior over here.

[–]AxilyaOryl 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Parents take things in newspaper and TV seriously.

Why is reddit less accountable?

also: http://mashable.com/2016/08/08/online-gaming-school-scores/

[–]toolpeon 43ポイント44ポイント  (11子コメント)

When your toddler has access to leap frog, and interactive video games that not only entertain but teach along the way it's no wonder why kids gravitate towards video games in their later age. When they discover what other things that games can do.

Aside from all the trash talking on the Internet, which can be used as a tool to teach about bullying on the Internet. Games have expanded the variety of mythology as well as history.

Parents still should regulate what the kids can play though.

Hate on assassin's Creed all you want, but they used history to entertain me in high school. I learned more about George Washington than I did in the chapter 11 of our social studies book. I knew that the main character didn't exist,but that George Washington did,and the type of wars that could be established. It put life into a name on a book. Even blackflag taught about pirates. Its the only reason I buy the games. To see what kind of personality each icon has.

[–]Cybugger 24ポイント25ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm pretty convinced that my interest in history was at least partly motivated by Age of Empires, Civilization, and various Total War games. I remember reading up all the historical info in AoE 1 and 2, about all the different units, civilizations and technologies.

[–]Gonzobot 19ポイント20ポイント  (3子コメント)

Civilization is good for that. Just remember Ghandi doesn't actually like nuking everybody in the real world.

[–]Montaron87 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I love how that bug happened because they made him too peaceful.

[–]Gonzobot 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And they kept it in because it was hilarious.

[–]digitaldavis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The end justifies the means!

[–]AtheistAustralis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, and I know so damn much about Egyptian history from playing Pharaoh and Cleopatra. Amazing games, and insidiously educational!

[–]lichklng 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh I am 100% positive that my love of history and science began when I was a kid watching/playing age of empires and civ as a kid. In kindergarten I corrected my teacher on what a catapult was. ( she showed a picture of a trebuchet and said it was a catapult) I knew what a peon was and how to correctly use it in a sentence, but the thing that surprised everyone at school back then was my knowledge of Joan of Arc, Saladin, and Richard the lionhearted.

In summery I watched/played age of empires as a kindergartner and surprised my teacher with knowledge of medieval history.

[–]ajbpresidente 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I loveeeedd Total War for that. I took Latin in HS and I remember reading everything about every unit in Rome TW.

[–]idleactivist 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

toddler has access to leap frog, [...] gravitate towards video games in their later age

Well shit... I only had access to Lite-Brite when I was that age. I didn't see leap frog until I was 3 gaming generations in...

[–]Varamyr_Axelord 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

90% of my geography knowledge came from empire total war. I memorized every ownable island on the map- they were my ship bases so I could blockade the whole map :D

[–]thewhiteman80 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hate on assassin's Creed all you want, but they used history to entertain me in high school.

As buggy,broken, and repetitive assassin's Creed can be it's still the best at placing you smack dab in the middle of historical places and events and I absolutely love that.

[–]statist_steve 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm 43, I'm not taking shit to my parents. If I want to stay up all night and play video games, then fuck everyone, I'm doing that shit.

[–]GanjaSmoker420HaloXX 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Talkin' defiantly like that is a good way to get yourself grounded!

[–]mizzrym91 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm 25 and already feel this way

[–]ferntberner 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you can't fuck everyone, especially not if you're gonna stay up all night with those video games.

[–]oskiwiiwii 56ポイント57ポイント  (11子コメント)

Shouldn't it be 'dulls' instead of 'dumbs'? This columnist probably engages in social media.

[–]Krytan 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

It should be "Video games smarts, social media dumbs" !

[–]The_Minstrel_Boy 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

Clearly the word should be "endumbens."

[–]Sam-Gunn 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dumberizes!

[–]kickaguard 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A perfectly cromulent word.

[–]afactotum 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do all Simpsons go through a process of dumbening?

[–]ThatsMyHoverboard 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm going to guess he doesn't play many video games either.

[–]aboganza 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

while dumbs is an acceptable verb, they missed a great opportunity for parallelism

[–]itspl33 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Daily reminder to get off Reddit.

What am I doing with my life

[–]kayonesoft 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Newspapery Headlinings Smarts.

[–]Doppinette 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Oh so I should play more candy crush while I'm on facebook !"

[–]AL3XCAL1BUR 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Getting smarter...and dumber...at same time...arrrrrgh!

[–]Timegoal 7ポイント8ポイント  (5子コメント)

This might be a bit tongue in cheek, but honestly people just choose what they want to believe. Most would just shrug it off as "science garbage".

[–]indeedItIsI 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Science garbage? I didn't see any mention of the Bible.

[–]BrohemianRhapsody 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, there is a lot of bad science out there. Or rather, bad research that calls itself science.

[–]AL3XCAL1BUR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, stupid science bitches.

[–]thejabiskey 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

I love all the parents out there trying to stay relevant by getting on snapchat and Facebook. Your selfies and posts are dumber than your child's.

[–]ThatsMyHoverboard 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't forget about the ones who try and use hashtags in real life. That's just so bad it's funny.

[–]ipretendiamacat 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I blame the media for this, SNL, Oscars, those stupid hollywood access interviews always say 'hashtag xyz....'!!!!

[–]FinalxRampage 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait I play video games and use social media everyday, that must explain why I am an extremely average student

[–]Lonewuhf 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure it has anything to do with actually playing the games or using social media but more to do with what type of student those activities appeal to. Most gamers would do well in school regardless if they play games, and social media (to some degree) draws in the students who are more worried about if someone likes them than the grade they got on their last test.

[–]Drakoneous 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Correlation =/= Causation. It's more likely the intelligent students are the ones that play video games, while the dumbshits of the world hang around social media.

[–]korinthia 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

CORRELATION DOES NOT PROVE CAUSATION. jesus fuck...

[–]karm4wh0r3 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

first, how the fuck did they figure this out? second, if I could go back in time and devote my time to getting to know people a lot better I would absolutely do that. school grades aren't worth the paper their written on if you don't know how to talk to people.

[–]Dunkh 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And a digital version. Sort of.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160808115442.htm

[–]pseduonerd 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Video games blind and give you eye floaters.

[–]AlwaysSupport 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does that mean that having PSN post to Facebook cancels out both effects?

[–]LukaCola 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't want to be so selective and come off so insecure that I'm taking screenshots of a newspaper I don't recognize to support my hobby to my parents

I think that'll get them questioning more than if I just continued playing

[–]dannynewfag 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Daily Nation

Literally who?

[–]Dolphin_Titties 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No parent would actually compare the two though, you don't hear your mum going "oh Dennis you really should get off COD and get on Facebook" you hear "get off the fucking computer and phone".

[–]SotnasYur 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

but this is social media

[–]Truck-E-Cheez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Crap, is reddit considered social media?

[–]TheInsaneDump 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of places are looking to incorporate games or game-like systems into their curriculum. You have entire schools that are basing their curriciula model around games-based learning and gamification as well (see Institute of Play and Quest to Learn). I consulted for a major museum in the city I work in who was using Minecraft to teach Microbiology topics to high school students. They had an absolute blast exploring the map we created for them and when designing their own projects.

[–]thr33m0jo3 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

For real.

WoW is the only reason I have social skills as my parents moved at least once a year, generally in the middle of the school year.

[–]igottashare 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey Mom! Look what I discovered on a social media site!

[–]GanjaSmoker420HaloXX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eyooo good thing Reddit isn't social media! Right guys....? Guys..?

[–]SmithiZit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

False study, avid gamer here. Skipped class 40% of highschool to play WoW. Grades were crap

[–]gac64k56 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So from the title of the article, I should play more games and spend less time on Reddit?

[–]Prcrstntr 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good thing reddit isn't social media

[–]guitarzan212 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

haha "maths"

[–]othernames2016 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Video games are good for health.

[–]OhManTFE 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would Reddit classify as social media?

[–]ValkyrenSaga 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, my experience has shown exactly the opposite. Whenever i was getting a new game, i was doing extremely bad at school and my grades were in a free fall.

Idk which part of the world they used to make this research or what kind of teens they asked but i can guarantee that this is not the case in Europe.

[–]ThrustGoldy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

except they make me procrastinate lol

[–]FeroXys 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

"a study has found". Didn't read any further.

[–]Scapular_of_ears 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Take this to your parents ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐

[–]Leocunn 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But... I found this on social media

[–]eMeSsBee 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plays video games and uses social media, still above average top kek

[–]SanityUp 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think most anybody can agree social media is not exactly what it used to be. But I'll raise a glass to the positive effects of video games!

[–]4tea5edFap 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I play call of duty and i fuckd everyone's mom. btw i got good grades in math exam today

[–]ixijimixi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's probably where most kids learn about teabagging.

Well, that or the YMCA

[–]R1N1_3CL1P53 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they do this then Minecraft might be the only game they use lol.

[–]GGAllinsMicroPenis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Was this written by 14 year old trying to get their teacher to let them play MMOs in class as a joke? Is the writing level in this article an issue to anyone?

[–]Mumie1234 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

brb, CSGO...

[–]silverkingx2 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

they would yell and berate me because my mother likes social media... my dad doesn't give two shits, about either

[–]AgentChris101 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well a girl i know failed classes due to social media because i brought up a topic from Far Cry 3 in an essay i passed

[–]indeedItIsI 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm guessing that class wasn't English.

[–]AgentChris101 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually it was an essay on character topic. Mine was on Vaas and hers was on some person on social media

[–]HoboJoeJoe 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Teachers should consider incorporating popular video games into teaching" Portal for physics class? =D

[–]Cybugger -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Kerbal Space Program.

[–]AL3XCAL1BUR 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

And Leisure Suit Larry for sex ed?

[–]Cybugger 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think we can optimize. How about a Leisure Suit Larry mod for Kerbal Space Program? They basically have the same body shape, and it's a game about using phallic objects to get above cloud 9....

[–]AL3XCAL1BUR 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

And joining the 100 mile high club.

[–]smartcool 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Read a book.

[–]El-Doctoro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ever play skyrim?

[–]GanjaSmoker420HaloXX 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whoa whoa whoa. Let's pump the breaks a little bit.

[–]AL3XCAL1BUR 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure of the sharpening effect of gaming as a whole, but social media's dumbing down of society is pretty damn evident.

[–]ThatsMyHoverboard -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I showed them how Optic Nadeshot got to the front page of the New York Times

[–]18finnj -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well no shit, I could've told you this. A decent amount of console gamers and 99% of Pc gamers self-teach themselves about the technology involved. While the people on social media spew their stupidity on the Internet and bitch and moan about every little thing in life and retweet World Star videos.

[–]El-Doctoro 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Deus ex taught me about pulsed energy projection.

[–]Cybugger -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing sharpens your skills like being told that your mum's a whore by a 12 year old.

On a more serious note, this doesn't surprise me that much.

[–]CaptainJackVernaise -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

RPGs help expand my vocabulary. I knew what a tempest was based simply on the sword for Cyan in FFIII.

[–]FreyWill -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Video games are toys. Justify them all you want.

[–]X-istenz 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah yes, because toys have never been used as educational or developmental tools.