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Ready to fight. (self.martialarts)

TheSolarian が 投稿

Walking through the park the other night, there was a gentleman who was somewhat disturbed. He was yelling at the ducks in the pond about the American government, at passersby about Obama, and generally as they say, was on one.

I thought "This will be interesting."

As I walk by he starts walking up from the pond towards me, so I altered my path a little bit and walked towards him, he altered his path so we didn't meet.

He kept on yelling stuff and screamed out "Yeah! Keep on walking jackass!" as he was then following me and screaming out all sorts of pretty whacked out shit.

So I slowed down, stopped, and turned around to look at him, and he then went somewhere else.

The point being....if you're not ready to fight, oddly, your chances of being viewed as 'prey' increase dramatically.

Random encounters with the whacked out, happen usually when you're having a nice time, walking around, and then hello psycho.

When I was in highschool I read something that while a bit paranoid, had a point.

"You only get really good at violence, when you live with it constantly."

It's a bit fucked, but has a point. When you're always ready to fight (when needed, not because you're the psycho hopefully) that radically changes your reaction time.

One of the big problems people who 'train' have, is that when the real things comes along they have a moment of "This is not really happening...." and far too often just stand there like a frozen statue and cop a hit to the face they really should have been able to avoid.

Having the attitude not of "This is not really happening...." but rather "You bet your life it is." takes a bit of time to develop.

Or, as the bloody nine says in one of the books "You're always ready for this sort of thing I reckon, or you never are."

So if you're training to fight for the real thing, and you haven't spent anytime mentally preparing for the reality of it, well, you may well be at a disadvantage.

As a great shock, no, talking all 'badass' in the hopes of avoiding a fight doesn't work as well as you think it will, and no, telling some whacked out lunatic, junkie high on drugs that "I do cage fighting man!" probably won't help you as much as you think it will.

It is true that sometimes, when you say not a 'bad ass line' but clearly outline, with intent, what you're going to do, that does settle some people down, but not always.

The point is...you have to be ready to fight, with everything you've got as lunatics and criminal types can actually pick up on a real intended threat, and posturing.

Anyway.

If you already know this, you know it's how things are. If you don't already know this, spend a bit of time thinking about it or not as you so chose.

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[–]WhenInRoam0 140ポイント141ポイント  (4子コメント)

Stop picking fights with people with mental illness. It's not cool it doesn't make you look cool.

[–]newjehovawitnessKyokushin, Judo 73ポイント74ポイント  (45子コメント)

why bother fighting in the first place if you can avoid it by simply avoiding the crazy person?

[–]grapplerXcrossMMA, Pro-Wrestling 40ポイント41ポイント  (3子コメント)

https://thelonelytribalist.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/thisisgonnabegood_conangif.gif?w=720

another quality post by the trollarian. The worst part is you mean well. But instead of someting like a post about how robbers choose weak looking targets you wrote a wall of text about a mentally ill man yelling at ducks. Thank you for todays amusement!

[–]TheSolarian[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Another....shit response by grapplerXcrap.

That was a real story that happened, so giving a real world case example of the paradigm in question.

I find that helps get the point across, you know, to people who can actually think and everything.

[–]grapplerXcrossMMA, Pro-Wrestling 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

No no, it did not help at all. You just made yourself look bad again.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes yes, helped a lot.

Only looking bad to fuckwits, and who cares about their opinion anyway?

I sure as fuck don't.

"Strength training doesn't help with grappling." Mein gott.

"You can't train to defend yourself against weapons." WAT.

"I have the reading comprehension of a bucket." GREAT.

Those three quotes, pretty much sum up the people on this place who think that I 'look bad'.

Still, there's always real life eh? Oh ho ho. Is there ever!

N.B.- Oh, also, the number of outright either can't fights or cowards or self centred shits on this place is kind of amazing.

[–]Grarvindur국기원 Taekwondo | Judo | MMA | Muay Thai 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, total shitpost

[–]SepeanMMA 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sure you can intimidate some random weirdo into backing off.

Some macho dude with self esteem issues who is super concerned with losing face, he'd throw a punch before looking away.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh, the general idea is not to do that. Also, that macho dude with self esteem issues can usually be talked down, unless they're fucked up on meth, and if they can't, well, be ready to fight basically.

I've met plenty of guys like that, and often just saying "I'm not your enemy mate. Who are you really angry at?" works wonders.

Also, criminal types usually rely on intimidation and trash talk, when that doesn't work and you look them dead in the eye in a relaxed fashion, that usually creeps them the fuck out.

[–]starlightstraightBoxing|TKD|BJJ 28ポイント29ポイント  (16子コメント)

See, I live in Brooklyn NYC. There are some real lunatics here, and you know what the thousands of people who see them do? Nothing.

I don't care how much of a hero you want to be. The fact is that millions of New Yorkers have lived with crazy people on the streets for decades by doing exactly nothing. And so nothing happens. No one gets attacked by crazy people, they don't bother you if you don't bother them.

You, my friend. Are deluded if you think a mentally ill person is relevant to your own martial development.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (15子コメント)

You, mein freund, are deluded if you think that mentally ill people never go full blown crazy and attack people.

You are also quite insanely deluded if you think that crazy people, or people fucked up on meth, never attack innocent people for no reason.

So you're talking about crazy people that bother anyone, I was talking about the ones that do.

Slight fucking difference, so maybe rethink your position eh?

[–]starlightstraightBoxing|TKD|BJJ 16ポイント17ポイント  (14子コメント)

Well, here's the thing. "Crazy" people is a broad category that includes psychopaths, murders, people with anger issues, people with disregard for safety, etc, etc... There are some genuinely murderous people in the world, and when it comes down to it someone somewhere's going to have to fight one. That's a real problem.

However, that isn't the problem here. You walked past a homeless mentally ill person who was just had a few screws loose but generally minds their own business, shouting at ducks. And you think this is a real danger because?

Don't muddle the original post by changing your target to "crazy" people in general. No, you were talking about your experiences with a mentally ill person, and how you felt so threatened by a random homeless man on the street. So don't change the topic and act like I don't know the difference. How about you find out the difference between a mentally ill homeless person shouting at ducks and a psychopath? You'll see that one doesn't deserve much of a mention, while the other is actually dangerous.

I'm just telling you that your encounter with the homeless mentally ill person is nothing like your story suggests. You're blowing the "danger" you faced out of proportion. I have two positions here: Regarding your trivial story, my answer is "cool, so what?" Regarding actual danger my position is much more nuanced.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (13子コメント)

There are some genuinely murderous people in the world, and when it comes down to it someone somewhere's going to have to fight one. That's a real problem.

All depends on how hard you've trained...

However, that isn't the problem here. You walked past a homeless mentally ill person who was just had a few screws loose but generally minds their own business, shouting at ducks. And you think this is a real danger because?

Met their kind many times before. Two steps away from attacking someone.

No, you were talking about your experiences with a mentally ill person, and how you felt so threatened by a random homeless man on the street.

Oh, I wouldn't say that I felt threatened.

I'm just telling you that your encounter with the homeless mentally ill person is nothing like your story suggests.

Sure. You were there. You totally have an accurate reading on the situation, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Yep.

You're the voice of experience alright.

Wait, no.

Uh, way to miss the entire point of the post buddy.

Would it have made you feel better if I'd posted something about where it actually ended in violence under very similar circumstances?

[–]starlightstraightBoxing|TKD|BJJ 10ポイント11ポイント  (12子コメント)

Would it have made you feel better if I'd posted something about where it actually ended in violence under very similar circumstances?

Are you asking me if the ends justify the means? If you were attacked then suddenly everything you said was true? Well, yes, certainly. If you were attacked then your suspicions prove to be true. You were very observant.

Yet, nothing happened. A homeless person shouting at ducks just shouted at you a bit. By your previous logic, you should have just accepted that preemption is the best prevention, and noted that yeah, most people don't attack people for no reason - even the homeless. There was no reason to be so on guard against a mentally ill homeless man.

Now, perhaps you would protest. You say you were actually working off the precautionary principle. That one should be preemptively prepared for the most danger in any case. If I understand you correctly, this is your main point. Here's the problem with that: There's a point when it borders on senseless paranoia. Nothing wrong with paranoia in a vacuum, but it certainly can be disruptive to one's training and one's life. To say the least, it isn't a good outlook.

The problem with talking about "X who do fight people" is that it begs the question. There is no discussion of who is dangerous, but the danger is just assumed. So in that sense, we don't just limit the discussion about "homeless people who do fight people" we can also talk about "bank clerks who do fight people" or "doctors who do fight people" or "taxi drivers who do fight people." I mean, when you assume the danger, then the flood gates of suspicion is thrown wide open. If you ask me why I should worry about defending myself against bank clerks, my response would be "well what if you met a bank clerk who attacked you one day?"

See how pointless the discussion becomes at that point if we drive paranoia to the extreme? Certainly, if your bank clerk attacked you one day you'd have to defend yourself. Certainly, you should have a fighting mentality and fighting skills. But isn't the question of "why should I worry being attacked by my bank clerk?" An equally valid question? I mean, that should be the first question to be asked. And the answer should just be "don't piss off your bank clerk you idiot."

So this brings us back to my original point. "Don't go pissing off homeless people. They aren't that dangerous."

[–]TheSolarian[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

Are you asking me if the ends justify the means?

Nope. That was me pointing out how staggeringly you managed to fuck this one up, that you're completely on one, missed the point entirely, and are as they say, completely clueless.

A bit strange considering how clear this one is.

There was no reason to be so on guard against a mentally ill homeless man.

Yes, I'm aware you don't know what you're talking about.

See how pointless the discussion becomes at that point if we drive paranoia to the extreme?

Yes. I'm aware of how pointless the discussion becomes when people like you miss the point entirely, and base their entire discourse on things I never said.

So this brings us back to my original point. "Don't go pissing off homeless people. They aren't that dangerous."

Yes. Your original point. Which was completely unrelated to anything that I was discussing and yet, there you go, galloping away with it anyway.

[–]starlightstraightBoxing|TKD|BJJ 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

So despite making a few points in your original post, you insist incredulously that you only have "one point." And somehow that "one point" is all that matters. Well, here's the high school lesson you missed: you made an argument built upon a series of points. While I agree with your conclusion (fighting is about mentality as much as physical fitness), the arguments you make is weak, and borders on nonsensical. It would be disingenuous for me to agree with you on the conclusion that fighting mentality is important in self-defense, because the way you arrived there is honestly absurd.

Here's what you said:

  • You saw a homeless man shouting at ducks in a pond about Obama.
  • You thought it would "be interesting" to be in this situation, so you walked up as he walked towards you.
  • This leads the man to be confrontational towards you.
  • You then walk away and nothing happens.

Somehow, this casual and pointless encounter with a homeless man leads you to the epiphany that:

  • One must always be prepared for violence no matter what the situation. Even if one is just "having a nice time, walking around."

Thus, you suggest given the context of your encounter with the homeless man and stuff you've read in high school: that one should always be prepared for violence. The context provides that the implicit statement here is "even against random homeless people and even if you're just taking a nice walk on a good day." Additionally, may I mention how stupid it is to talk about confrontational homeless people you walked towards?

Do you see how paranoid, how blown-out-of-proportion your conclusion is now? I would have agreed with a promotion of "fighting mentality" in a vacuum. But not like this.

You say I miss the point you make. I didn't. I'm pointing out the faults in the argument you based your conclusion on. Ergo, I'm saying your conclusion is weak and frankly, pretty paranoid. Using your words, I would say: "your point is not established by your arguments."

[–]WhenInRoam0 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

As I walk by he starts walking up from the pond towards me, so I altered my path a little bit and walked towards him, he altered his path so we didn't meet.

Sounds like he was trying to start shit.

[–]MacintoshEddieKrav Maga 6ポイント7ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why am I reminded of the guy a few years ago who walked into the house of a rival gang member shouting "I fear for my life! I am standing my ground!" specifically so he could self defense the other guy to death?

[–]TheSolarian[S] -5ポイント-4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because you've misread this completely, at a guess.

Notice that the result was that he stopped hassling people, calmed down, and left the park.

I'd call that a good result myself.

[–]Talisign 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The worst part is, aggressively approaching an unstable man is a much worse idea than avoiding him, or even being totally oblivious to him.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see very clearly, that your reading comprehension is poor, that you've spun a baseless argument out of whole cloth, and carried on with it as if it is somehow congruent with reality, when it isn't.

Seriously, your list of dot points is wrong, and shows very clearly that you didn't actually read what I wrote.

So. In conclusion, you have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about, all of the points you're making are based on either your fairly rubbish reading comprehension skills, or whatever other delusion you've cooked up in your head.

So, yeah. You missed all of the points I made, pointed out no faults in my arguments because you didn't understand it in the first place and proved that.

Ergo, you're saying nothing really related to what I'm saying, but you are proving your lack of perception quite clearly and, let's rephrase you here eh?

Your conclusion is utterly unrelated to anything I've said, and frankly, quite delusional.

Try actually reading what I wrote, then splashing your face with some water.

[–]ConcreteShoeManBJJ / Krav Maga 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you started walking at a guy agressively when he had done nothing to you? He is the one that needed the self defense.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you are so fight blind that you can't tell when someone is making a bee line for you, my condolences.

I'm not though.

[–]Captain_Garcia 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh man this is hilarious. I don't even know where to begin; the main post or his follow up comments.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wherever you like!

Hopefully it won't be quite as stupid as the majority of the comments.

It's quite a feat to read a post about settling a situation without fighting, and turn that around into picking a fight.

[–]LastWWolfITF TKD, Muay Thai, BJJ, CSW 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just another shitpost by TheSolarian... Picking fights with people, who have an obvious mental illness. Of course that's something you would do... http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/4d/4dd9ccc25a06b0b5d1be6915e7d82f9c1b2140f7c36aff9e5edd3d5e07b333f1.jpg

[–]TheSolarian[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Quick question.

What's wrong with you?

[–]Carlos13th 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ask that in the mirror every morning.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Generally good advice for everyone probably.

[–]rediteering 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Take it easy there Zimmerman

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[–]Callmeaderp 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cunt

[–]WhenInRoam0 11ポイント12ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am back. To watch the shit show.

[–]NOBODY_WANTS_TO_PM_UMuay Thai, Jiu Jitsu 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

cool.

[–]Blais_Of_Glory 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/iamverybadass /r/quityourbullshit

[–]Kekkler 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So is this like your first time with a crazy person before or what?

[–]TerribleSilence1 2ポイント3ポイント  (13子コメント)

My god you're a horrible person.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (12子コメント)

So, your metric of what makes a terrible person, is protecting other people and solving potentially violent situations, without violence.

Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how fuckwitted.

But, as by your metric, helping people and stopping them from suffering physical harm or in some cases death makes a 'terrible person', what makes a non-terrible person in your books?

Someone that knifes random strangers?

Sells crack to school kids?

[–]TerribleSilence1 2ポイント3ポイント  (11子コメント)

Who are you protecting? He wasn't harming anyone. You are the one who created this situation. You are the one who started the confrontation. Now you are sitting here claiming you are the one on the moral high horse because it did not become physical? You created this situation. Now you are here boasting about it. What does having a nice have anything to do with it or selling crack to Children? None of that is in the story. All of that is irrelevant.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (10子コメント)

Oh I get it. You're on drugs.

Just to clarify things for your obviously quite fucked up skull space, I was walking through the park.

The guy was being hyper aggressive and yelling abuse at the ducks and people that were walking by.

I settled that situation with a pause and a look, and he left.

Do you often just walk down the street crying at people for being terrible people due to non-sensical analysis of situations?

Quick question though, are you mad because you like to yell abuse at random strangers and this has triggered you?

[–]TerribleSilence1 2ポイント3ポイント  (9子コメント)

Walking through the park the other night, there was a gentleman who was somewhat disturbed.

You've already judge him.

He was yelling at the ducks in the pond about the American government, at passersby about Obama, and generally as they say, was on one.

Ok. So? Yelling at somebody is not harming them. Especially if they have a developmental disability of some sort. Well-adjusted adults in civilized society know that this is not a threat of any sort.

I thought "This will be interesting."

Why does it have to be interesting? He is just yelling at people and ducks on a pond. Nothing wrong with that. Especially if he has a developmental disability or some type of mental illness.

As I walk by he starts walking up from the pond towards me,

Is this a crime? He is clearly just walking in your general direction.

so I altered my path a little bit and walked towards him, he altered his path so we didn't meet.

Here is where you decided to confront him and start the situation. The problem is with you. You created this situation right here, you created the conflict. You are the one who put both of your paths on a collision course and he was the one who walked away from you. He is the one who prevented the situation from becoming physical not you. You are the aggressor in this situation. You are such a fucking coward picking on people who need help. You were the one being hyper aggressive.

He may have a mental disability of some sort but you are the one who's a psychopath, you are the sociopath.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

You've already judge him.

It wasn't exactly difficult.

Ok. So? Yelling at somebody is not harming them. Especially if they have a developmental disability of some sort. Well-adjusted adults in civilized society know that this is not a threat of any sort.

Clearly, you don't have all that much experience with people in that state and you really don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

Why does it have to be interesting?

Well, I think you should consider the term 'interesting'. He was also yelling at people.

Is this a crime? He is clearly just walking in your general direction.

Being a clueless idiot, you have no understanding whatsoever of violence, and clearly don't understand the body language people present themselves with when they are approaching you with intent.

Here is where you decided to confront him and start the situation.

Nope. That right there was where I decided to shut the situation down.

Which I did.

The problem is with you.

Hrmmm. No.

You created this situation right here, you created the conflict.

Nope. Guy was on one, was approaching me with fairly clear hostile/aggressive intent, I made it clear that wasn't a good idea.

You are the one who put both of your paths on a collision course and he was the one who walked away from you.

Yeah, no. He was making a bee line for me anyway, I just settled that one.

He is the one who prevented the situation from becoming physical not you.

Calm down trigglypuff. You're going to spill your milk at this rate.

You are the aggressor in this situation.

Hardly.

You are such a fucking coward picking on people who need help.

As you are completely fucked in the head, somehow you have drawn that conclusion.

You were the one being hyper aggressive.

Oh I get it. You were minding your own business yelling abuse at you, and the cops gave you a panel beating, or you tried to spit in someone's face, and they flattened you.

Then you acted shocked.

He may have a mental disability of some sort but you are the one who's a psychopath, you are the sociopath.

Yes. Empathy is always quite the defining trait of the sociopath, as is helping people at personal cost.

You, have problems.

[–]TerribleSilence1 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

You clearly are the one with the problem.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hardly.

[–]TerribleSilence1 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Seek help before you murder someone.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

So these are your metrics:

Prevent innocent people from being hurt: terrible person.

Stop people from attacking innocent people: Seek help before you murder someone.

You are all different kinds of messed up there buddy.

[–]Dried-Grass-Pasture 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Woah, Im not worthy to recide in the thread of such a pure and utter badass. You mate sound like an absolute prick. I truly hope your sad little outlook gets you the fucking kick-in you deserve.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why, hello there cunt features. I like that the summation of your fuckwitted opinion on me being an absolute prick, is me settling a situation down with no violence at all.

Are you fucked in the head or something?

[–]TheGreatBatsby 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Quoting Logen Ninefingers does not make you Logen Ninefingers.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm kind of glad that's the case!

Nonetheless, the principle applies. Have a look around and you'll see a lot of stories about trained people who freeze up when the real thing arises.

That sensation of "This is not really happening...." gets people done.

Being ready to react quickly as necessary, is something that is worthwhile to develop.

[–]Suavecake12 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Some people just looking for a fight. Just smile and stare them down and don't let them enter you space or goad you into a fight. What's the chances of meeting a ranked fighter worth your time of day on a random encounter in the streets.

Most of the time they're drunk, high, or touched by god (mentally unstable). Best spend your time fighting in the ring where everyone signed a waiver.

[–]TheSolarian[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Each to their own method. I usually just look at them, and that's enough, but I tend to walk towards them a little bit, and that works amazingly well.

It's very rare that they still try and goad me into a fight these days, and if they do, guaranteed they can't fight anyway. Only complete fools can't spot someone who knows how to fight, and unfortunately for them, internet and drugs do not make someone a tough guy, nor do neck tattoos.

Most of the time they're drunk, high, or touched by god (mentally unstable). Best spend your time fighting in the ring where everyone signed a waiver.

You don't always have a choice unless you run away, and there are a lot of crazy people in my city. Usually, I just make it clear I'm not even vaguely frightened or bothered by them being crazy, offer them a cigarette if they're really losing it, and ask them how they're going.

Lack of fear +friendliness where appropriate + muscles = Most people settle down.

[–]lobf 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you competed?