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[–]Knight of /newDudesan 16ポイント17ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes. And from a certain point of view, that's exactly what you see.

Imagine you had a hypothetical Violence-O-Meter that was accurate to ten decimal places, and you arranged all of the world's 1.7 Billion or so Muslims in one long North/South line from most violent to least violent. You'd have about 425 million people in the first quartile, 425 million people in the second quartile, 425 million people in the third quartile, and 425 million people in the fourth quartile. (There are a bunch of other interesting ways you could arrange them to approximate other statistical methods, but let's stick with the "one long line" graph for now.)

The Qur'an and Hadiths are demonstrably full of horribly violent calls to subjugation and genocide and terrible gory punishment. If the model proposed by various Muslim apologists and Islamophilic regressives is correct, then the only people who actually agree with those verses will be a few hundred whack-jobs standing at the far, far Northern end of that line. These people could be usefully described as "extremists", standing as they are on the "extreme" edge of the population.

Everyone in the second, third, and fourth quartiles, and most of those in the first, are happy lovey-dovey ecumenical feminist LGBT-positive pacifist hippies. Not a one among them would even dream of following the example of the sadistic, misogynistic, pedophilic warlord who wrote their Holy Book. Doesn't that sound like it would be wonderful?

Unfortunately, "sounding nice" is not sufficient to make something true. When you actually survey Muslims in the real world about their opinions, this is not the result that you see [1, 2, 3, 4]. People well into the fourth quartile will happily endorse the beheading of apostates and the stoning of adulterers. A good many more past them will cringe a little at the commands to violence, but stop short of actually disagreeing with them, handwaving away the unpleasantness with "Mumble mumble context". It's the people who categorically refuse to endorse violence, even Allah-approved violence, who can only be found close to one end of this hypothetical line.

In other words, it's the Muslims who deliberately misinterpret the Qu'ran as peaceful who are actually in the minority, at the "extreme" tail of the graph, and who might thus be described as "extremists".

[–]Ex-TheistLildrummerninja 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this. There are too many edicts in the Quran (and other abrahamic religions) to warrant it being called peaceful. If anyone has earned the right to be called 'the religion of peace' it's Jainism. They literally won't even hurt a fly, and only harvest plants for food. They don't want any life to suffer.

[–]Pogo152 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

My one problem with these surveys is the fact that many could be inaccurate due to theocratic regimes. If you lived in a country where you would be killed for supporting woman's rights, I doubt you'd be vocal about it. If anybody could point to a survey that somehow circumvents this, or explain how this isn't relevant, that would be great.

[–]OldBeforeHisTime 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Precisely. It's impossible to get an honest sampling when you're asking someone if they disagree with their theocratic government's policies, in a nation where such disagreement is subject to the death penalty!

People have recently been sentenced to death for just making a mildly-critical Facebook post. Only fools would answer these surveys honestly in Islamic nations.

[–]bipolar_sky_fairy 24ポイント25ポイント  (18子コメント)

Peace will be had when the entire world submits to Islam and everybody is the right kind of Muslim. Then there will be no conflict.

That's what they mean by peace.

[–]diogenes_shadow 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Peace sounds a lot like
We're in charge. Everybody has to do whatever we say all the time.

[–]Strong Atheistzehalper 3ポイント4ポイント  (15子コメント)

No joke, this is what a muslim actually told me. Peace can only be achieved when everyone submits or dies.

[–]bipolar_sky_fairy 4ポイント5ポイント  (10子コメント)

Same here. I mean technically it's correct, but it's also a fucking horror show.

[–]Anti-Theisttsingi 1ポイント2ポイント  (9子コメント)

technically it's correct

There is a lot of violent infighting within the religion. So it isn't even technically correct.

[–]bipolar_sky_fairy 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

That fighting will stop once everybody who isn't the right kind of muslim is dead, and peace has been achieved ;)

[–]Anti-Theisttsingi 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

No Scottish Muslims then?

[–]bipolar_sky_fairy 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

I suppose the bagpipe could be made out of goat..

[–]Anti-Theisttsingi 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

I just learned a whole lot about making bagpipes. A fine addition to my hoard of useless information.

Wikipedia lists goat 'first' as traditional materials to make a bags for bagpipes.

[–]bipolar_sky_fairy 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

I thought it was sheep?

Or am I thinking of haggis

[–]Anti-Theisttsingi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or am I thinking of haggis

Oh yeah. Haggis is all the spicy parts of a sheep. Well, a lot of spice is added.

But they use them for bagpipes too, according to the almighty Wikipedia.

[–]OldBeforeHisTime 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's also what my fundamentalist-Christian grandparents thought about Jesus. They firmly believed all non-Christians (and, depending on their mood, liberal Christians, too) in the US should be put into internment camps, and given the choice to accept their version of Christianity or be put to death.

"Their version" of Christianity didn't even allow music during services. Stupid little country church of about 100 people actually preached that they might be the only ones who got to heaven, because they were right and everybody else was wrong. Not their denomination; I mean that one congregation.

They broke off from an equally stupid church with practically the same name, six miles away. The imagery of those ex-friends of theirs burning in the innermost pits of hell came up frequently during sermons and prayers.

Fucking psychotic stuff, no matter which religion it comes from. :(

[–]Agnostic AtheistTotallyUnspecial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your grandparents are scary.

[–]OldBeforeHisTime [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Were scary. They're dead now, and thus the world became a slightly better place. Dad died a few months before that grandfather, so I wasn't even obligated to fly home for the old bigot's funeral. A small silver lining to an otherwise difficult year.

FYI Mom's side of the family is equally Christian, but without the insanity. They were Southern Baptist, and so was I, for about six months when I felt really isolated at age sixteen. ;)

[–]iHaveAgency [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Peace can only be achieved when everyone submits or dies.

Islamic peace includes wife-beating, FGM...

[–]Nihilistthewatisit 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's also the peace of the grave for the infidels.

[–]Anti-Theistkickstand 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here's the thing about slogans. The truth is usually the opposite of the slogan.

Example: a local assisted living facility has the slogan: "Where Life Begins"

[–]OTubarao 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, just like the slogan: trickle-down economics is good for working people.

[–]OTubarao 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

They actually are after blowing themselves-up while preparing an IED!!!

[–]rimper 6ポイント7ポイント  (20子コメント)

Isn't that strange?...But if you question the many inconsistencies, you're being 'islamophobic'.

[–]AgnosticComputermaster 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

They want peace for themselves, and the only way they see to accomplish that is to destroy anyone who doesn't live like they do.

[–]AtheistTurbohand 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Religion is an excuse for behavior. Whether you have good behavior or bad behavior is irrelevant.

[–]iHaveAgency [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's a t-shirt right there:

 


If Islam is truly a religion of peace...

 

Why aren't Muslim extremists extremely peaceful?


[–]Voolvif [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Well, buddhism is considered to be the most peaceful religion and they also have extremists that want to kill whoever doesn't follow their religion, especially muslims.

[–]Anti-Theisttsingi 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It isn't a religion of peace, it's just a religion.