"I don't fear you, I fear future you."

[Kcorain130]

It seems to me that a big part of the blue pill delusion of wife and family is reinforced by the women "as they are" at the time of relationship/marriage.

What man would not want to wife up a beautiful young woman who really does love her husband (whether that love manifests itself as a need to be protected, or whatever in her mind, that translates to love?)

I cannot help but think that many women genuinely do love their husbands in the beginning, when they are young and the love is fresh.

Yet down the line, in 10, 20, 30 years that love has gone.

The woman one marries is not the woman one stays with for the rest of ones life.

I have for example, seen one friend recently go from swearing up and down that marriage is a wonderful thing, to a tired looking man, whose wife prevents him from doing what he wants, (or the "fun prevention officer" as he calls her)

If I could go back in time and show the man he was, the man that he is now (the man that he will become) he might not have been so keen to get married.

I recall reading a post on his wife's face book page years ago now, when she had just got married, she proclaimed how happy she was to be married and how much she loved her husband.

Her cynical older friends, responded with such comments as "it won't last," and "you'll hate him soon."

Though I don't think she's at the "I hate him" phase yet... she is clearly at the "restrict him," phase... she got there quicker than I suspected she would.

Yet it is true to say she is not the same person she was when my friend married her and he knows it...

The young man, surrounded by the "warmth and love" of the young, supple and beautiful woman, cannot imagine for a second that HIS lover will become the nagging, heartless hag that he sees older men despair of being with.

He sees it, yet he cannot comprehend it happening to himself.

This is where in my opinion, the power of MGTOW is at its most superb...

We are not taken in by the beauty of the "here and now" of a woman.

We are not blinded by love, or naïve due to lack of knowledge or experience, of what this delicate flower will one day become.

Not saying that men don't change, yet what sensible man would marry if he truly acknowledged what will most likely happen in his future.

No blue pill man thinks of or fears a vengeful, hateful woman taking his children, his assets, his happiness, his life, his sanity.

Because what man would want to give up the beauty of the "goddess" he adores?

I sometimes imagine how a "rejection" conversation on my part might go, towards some woman who could not understand why I refused to date her.

"Its not that I don't like you (woman) right here and now, your heart overflowing with emotion, with love and hopefulness. Its that I know, based on the experience of men for millennia, what you will most likely become with time."

"Right now (unless a gold digger) I am not likely to lose my assets, my children, my money, my hope and my life, but time changes all people and all things. You yourself probably cannot imagine, hating me, wanting to take everything away from me, wanting me to "suffer."

"Yet these things are likely to happen."

Thus, "I don't fear you, I fear future you."

It is not the "woman" one has to fear, so much as "the woman as she will become."

The MGTOW sees not just the here and now in his decision making, he sees what will be... and he knows not to believe the façade as it currently stands, because he knows it is temporary and that to tie himself to that person, legally... will ultimately be his downfall.

All things change but for marriage, not always for the better...

Its is just NOT worth the risk marrying...

[Alistair]

Quite apart from the behavioural changes are the physical ones. Just yesterday I bumped into a girl, who is young enough to be my daughter, legally. Haven't seen her for ten years.

When first we met she was gorgeous. Couldn't take my eyes off her.

Yesterday, I was appalled at the change. She's still young enough to be my daughter but I'm not at all sure I'd pump her if the hypothetical chance presented.

Now that's scary.

[EddieS]

All things change but for marriage, not always for the better...

All things change, except change. I love that paradox. Change is so immutable, it causes the exception to itself.

[fester]

You have pretty much pointed out why marriage is set up like a trap. The bait is the woman when she is young, beautiful (perhaps, young is good enough) and irresistible, especially when your hormones are raging and calling the shots.

It is later, years later, she loses her youth and morphs into your worst nightmare.

And the Law is the Law, you cant' just back out without consequences, because if you could, every guy would.

And we cant' have that, can we?

MGTOW's are knowledgeable about the trap, they have learned to avoid stepping in it.

The trap is always there, year after year, decade after decade, century after century.

It is nature, luring you into reproducing, and then not giving a fuck about you once you're done.

[Rouleur]

This was a discussion my buddies and I had in the latter half of high school.

"Dude, did your mom go nuts around menopause and make everyone miserable?"
"Yeah. Did your mom?"
"Yeah. We have to find a solution to that"
"Yep..."


....decades later, we're still single. No solution has been found.

[do not disturb]

What man would not want to wife up a beautiful young woman who really does love her husband (whether that love manifests itself as a need to be protected, or whatever in her mind, that translates to love?)

I don't think this kind of love be it an illusion or otherwise is around anymore like in the past. Today men, or both genders, marry to feel "normal" fit in, in social or work related situations, family pressure, for men maybe people thinking there's something wrong with them if they stay single.

But just as the old love thing is fading fast so is the stigma of not marrying. For most men getting married was just an extension of always doing as they were told, or acting as they see others act. It's why they say you're 'engaged' like you're some critical part ready to be installed into the great machine

[flintlock]

Dude, I was literally just thinking about this very thing myself just now.

Foresight is a fundamental part of being an intelligent being. Knowing that things have and end, and deciding whether it's worth the cost of something temporary is what wise people do. The really fucking annoying thing is that stupid people don't understand that.

[deadb0y]

"Right now (unless a gold digger) I am not likely to lose my assets, my children, my money, my hope and my life, but time changes all people and all things. You yourself probably cannot imagine, hating me, wanting to take everything away from me, wanting me to "suffer."

Although I'm not married to my baby mother I have the legally binding "fatherhood" thing going on with her and over the last year or so hope is something I'm really running short on. I work, I pay, I work I pay, they tell me I owe them some shit from years ago (one third of my annual earnings to be precise) and they are coming after me for it like a pack of hounds.. My future feels more uncertain now, in my mid forties, than it ever did when I was younger and living "on the road one day at a time"... The woman I married is getting fatter and fatter, she slims and diets but never takes off all of what she put on. Her bitterness is slowly getting worse and worse instead of better and better which robs me further what little hope I have left. She is becoming all the things she wasn't 12 years ago when we first met.. All the things she said she wouldn't be or do!

I think women are so out of control and so inept at forecasting that they don't even know they are getting worse with time. You hit the nail on the head, she didn't fucking know she'd turn into a fat troublesome bitch any more than I did! The worst part of it is, I already knew this would happen, I let the pussy blind me!

[Mikediver]

"Right now (unless a gold digger) I am not likely to lose my assets, my children, my money, my hope and my life, but time changes all people and all things. You yourself probably cannot imagine, hating me, wanting to take everything away from me, wanting me to "suffer."

Although I'm not married to my baby mother I have the legally binding "fatherhood" thing going on with her and over the last year or so hope is something I'm really running short on. I work, I pay, I work I pay, they tell me I owe them some shit from years ago (one third of my annual earnings to be precise) and they are coming after me for it like a pack of hounds.. My future feels more uncertain now, in my mid forties, than it ever did when I was younger and living "on the road one day at a time"... The woman I married is getting fatter and fatter, she slims and diets but never takes off all of what she put on. Her bitterness is slowly getting worse and worse instead of better and better which robs me further what little hope I have left. She is becoming all the things she wasn't 12 years ago when we first met.. All the things she said she wouldn't be or do!

I think women are so out of control and so inept at forecasting that they don't even know they are getting worse with time. You hit the nail on the head, she didn't fucking know she'd turn into a fat troublesome bitch any more than I did! The worst part of it is, I already knew this would happen, I let the pussy blind me!

As in all 12 step programs, you have met the first step; you have acknowledged the problem and your substance addiction. You can now work to heal yourself. The odds are not good. The human race is 7 billion strong because we men have not been able to overcome our addiction en masse, but there is some hope on an individual level.

[TDG]

You have pretty much pointed out why marriage is set up like a trap. The bait is the woman when she is young, beautiful (perhaps, young is good enough) and irresistible, especially when your hormones are raging and calling the shots.

It is later, years later, she loses her youth and morphs into your worst nightmare.

Thus it seems insane for society to convince women to put off marriage until they plough into The Wall