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How has you opinion of her changed? (self.TaylorSwift)

nybiggs が 投稿

I was a huge fan before. Still a fan now. But wow, has my image of her changed. In the course of a week, she went from one of the realest, nicest celebrities, to being just as fake and petty as most others are.

She is still talented as hell. Still one of the most actively generous and kind people to her fans. But I keep thinking about that interview way back where she was called calculating. How much of it is all for show? Done because it makes her look good rather than because she truly wanted to.

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[–]Johnnycc 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's weird is that she absolutely didn't need to do this. Her image was spotless, and showing she had a sense of humor and telling the truth that she talked to Kanye about the whole thing makes her look even better. There was no downside to telling the truth about this whole thing... which is so odd that she decided to gamble and portray herself as the victim. What did she gain out of lying? The whole thing does kinda change the perspective of her.

[–]AmericanOSX 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it was because of the way her fans responded to the song. They came to her defense before she really had a chance to make a statement, and criticised Kanye for being sexist and a bully.

So if she then was to come out and say "actually it doesn't bother me" I think she was afraid all those fans would feel betrayed. So she was kind of caught between a rock and hard place as far as how to respond, and she went the selfish route by playing into the fan service rather than just being honest and taking whatever backlash that would generate.

[–]Groatolfs 88ポイント89ポイント  (16子コメント)

If you look a lot deeper there is a lot of clever PR surrounding Taylor Swift. She is very controlling of PR.

To be honest I don't think anyone can have an opinion on her real personality only the one she is seen in. I do think she is genuinely a good person though with all the charity donations that she doesn't really talk about. That could be just clever PR but I don't know.

[–]nybiggs[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (15子コメント)

Yeah that's what I meant by generous. She visits people in hospitals, crashes weddings. Sends gifts to fans. Tops the charitable celebrities list every year. At the same time it doesn't take much to top that list.

[–]dogsstevens 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's the thing, she's great at throwing her money at people, which also happens to be the easiest way to look like a good person when you're famous. Its like demi said when she gave a bunch of money to Kesha. Yeah the money is probably helpful, but taylor has a huge platform she could be using to address real issues and start conversations but instead she just dumps money into charities. She's never done anything productive for the gender equality movement however she'll label herself a feminist if it sells

[–]sibeliushelp 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait, I'm not on her side with the Kanye thing, but you're really criticizing her for actually giving her money to causes rather than spreading #awaaaaareness? That shit is useless. Money makes an actual difference.

[–]dogsstevens 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not criticizing her for it I think it's great. I just don't get why if she's such a charitable person and cares so much about these causes, why she can't donate AND talk about it. It doesn't have to be a choice but she chooses to only do the part that's easy for her and doesn't piss anyone off which is shoveling money to them. I'm just saying it doesn't mean much thay she donates so much when most people would if they could afford to like she can .

[–]Groatolfs 8ポイント9ポイント  (11子コメント)

Yeah the fact that she doesn't tweet about that or draw attention to it makes me believe it's not for PR as well making me think she is very genuine and nice.

[–]nubsta 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

tweeting about how much money you just donated to charity is trashy and just plain obvious. not drawing attention to it is actually the better move in terms of PR. not to say that donating to charity isn't good regardless of her intentions

[–]prodigy2throw 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No celebrity tweets about their charitable givings. It just gets leaked to the media.

[–]Tsegen 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can grant her both. She is a generous person even within the context of it being good PR (as mentioned you don't need to brag for it to come out) and she also controls her image.

People can be more than one thing. I don't like the Machiavellian image people put up of her but I don't buy that she's some innocent bambi either. No one makes this much money without Getting It, on some level.

[–]Deloxor 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Her PR team released a statement when she gave money to Kesha. That felt super petty and attention-grabbing to me.

[–]superr_rad 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe Kesha's mother actually revealed Taylor donated money to her, but still. it would've been a bolder and more effective thing to do if she simply publicized her support for Kesha.

[–]dogsstevens -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Or she's just filthy rich. Imo as a celebrity, giving lots of your money to charity doesn't automatically make you a good person. But it's the easiest way to look like a good person if you can afford to. I'll reconsider when she ever joins the conversation about an issue that doesn't directly involve her, but until then she's still a snake

[–]Groatolfs -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

It makes you better than most of the celebrities who don't really donate shit.

Frequent poster on hiphopheads and Kanye probably doesn't have a biased viewpoint on this topic.

[–]dogsstevens 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haven't posted on r/kanye before today but okay lol

[–]Bebbykhan 25ポイント26ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think for me it started with Spotify. I started thinking then she wasn't being real anymore and just money grabbing? Now I'm just ridiculously disappointed. She seems like such a horrible person. I regret buying all her stuff.

[–]anon706f6f70 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm with you on the Spotify thing, "people need to buy art" mentality. Also, calling out Apple just to turn around and become a rep. Is Apple really that much better to all artist than Spotify?

[–]bi-cycle 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was a terrible analogy to begin with. "What if you just walked into a museum and took a piece of a painting off the wall????" Has Taylor ever been to a museum? The entire point of going to a museum is to pay a small fee or none at all to view the work of various artists that you might otherwise never get to see if you had to buy their work individually.

[–]YouVersusTheSea 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Apple's track record of paying fair royalties is much better than Spotify's. They are far from perfect but Spotify's policies truly are awful for most artists. Unless you're Drake or someone, you make barely anything.

But the Apple-Swift relationship definitely included some scheming... prior to that totally scripted "call out." I do agree with you on that. Worth it to note that the Spotify/Apple thing isn't the only time she has advocated for a better royalty system, though. Sure, it helps her bank account, too, but she's got the influence to push the issue. Even if she's got ulterior motives, it's still helps artists who don't sell out arena tours worldwide.

[–]manmanma 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Full disclosure: I'm definitely a big fan of Kanye, and like Taylor Swift's music a lot but not her image.

That having been said, Taylor talking abut artist royalties and "boycotting" Spotify definitely pushed the issue into the public consciousness where it wasn't before. I read some article where an artists song had to be streamed something like 500million times in order to make the same amount of money that the average Spotify employee makes.

I love Spotify's interface more, I love their playlist features, and I love the social aspects of their platform, but I subscribe to Apple Music now. When I was unemployed I had to cancel all my subscriptions because I couldn't afford to keep them, and then when I got a job again I signed up for Apple Music over Spotify, because of royalties and also the exclusives (timing happened that I got my first paycheck the same weekend Chance the Rapper's album debuted on Apple Music).

[–]anon706f6f70 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good points.

We'd both feel more confident in her fight for the small artists if she wasn't getting paid millions by the same entities she's "fighting".

[–]northerndownpours 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Spotify thing was pretty dumb. If someone's hell-bent on not buying your music, they're not going to buy your music, and you probably would've made more had you let it be streamed.

[–]fightintxag13 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

wasn't being real anymore and just money grabbing?

Most of the time the two are the same. Go capitalism!

[–]LewHen 35ポイント36ポイント  (15子コメント)

I'm just disappointed tbh, like why were you so reckless Taylor?

I still love her music though and I really could care less if everyone hates her.

[–]superr_rad 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

She took this way too far!

[–]8754785078 13ポイント14ポイント  (2子コメント)

If everyone hated her, we'd just be back to Red-era anyway. We're used to haters.

[–]anon706f6f70 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really could care less if everyone hates her

I think you meant "couldn't", otherwise it isn't very notable.

[–]MissPoovey -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't be that guy

[–]anon706f6f70 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

But but.... if we're going to use a cliché phrase, shouldn't we use it correctly?

[–]MissPoovey 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

NO!

... I mean, yeah. But still!

[–]keepitgucci 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

she is kind of like kanye

makes good music but has a shitty personality

[–]AmericanOSX 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it would be cool if she took this as an opportunity to go back and make a really solid country album. Something a little more low-key and less over-produced, but just kinda raw and emotional. Like, she doesn't rely on a lot of producers and other songwriters. She writes everything herself and gets somebody like Jack White to produce it.

[–]LewHen 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would love an alternative pop album from Taylor.

[–]superiority 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The coldest story ever told.

Taylor, how could you be so heartless?

[–]hashtageverythang 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a mess... Taylor wronged Kanye this time. She may not have been told that she was going to be called a "bitch" but she definitely knew of everything else Kanye was going to say and she gave him approval for it and then tried to act like she didn't know. I'm really confused why she did what she did. That said, I'm still going to count myself as a fan of hers because I do think she's overall a good person and I admire her work ethic, devotion to fans, her charity to good causes, and I like her music. It upsets me to see how many people are tearing her apart right now for everything she is. Some of the things people are saying about Taylor are downright cruel and vicious.

[–]sluthate 126ポイント127ポイント  (8子コメント)

She has never been real at all.

[–]litlron 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've thought that she's a phony/crappy person for a long time and this whole saga just proves it. Don't care; still like her music.

[–]Domthecreator14 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you weren't ever a fan.....

[–]B0sm3r 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, it's probably crap of me to say, but it really hasn't.

She's a human, she's a singer, she's famous. All celebrities are fake sometimes, just like politicians. I still think quite highly of her and maybe that's stupid of me, but everyone makes mistakes and I'm biased as I've always loved her.

[–]WhySheHateMe 48ポイント49ポイント  (25子コメント)

My opinion: all of those people she used to be friends with were right about her. Especially Katy Perry. She really is Regina George.

[–]BlindMan94 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Right! Which makes the whole Bad Blood 'feud' funnier in hindsight: writing a song about someone, and getting all your A and B-list celebrity friends to appear in a big-budget clip, when her initial grievance was petty and unjustified in the first place.

Speaking more generally, I like her music, and respect her smarts as a businesswoman, but it does make me think a tad differently of her. Though as others have noted, maybe this isn't so much showing a 'new side' so much as showing the one she'd carefully kept hidden all along.

[–]WhySheHateMe 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like all the other songs she's written about people...Bad Blood was super petty. If you have a falling out with someone and they keep what happened between you private...you should too. It's petty to "sneak diss" Katy in a song and then shoot a video with your squad and THEN tell the press that it was about another singer and people can easily figure out who that person is.

I'm not much of a Taylor Swift fan. My baby sister loves her so Ive heard a lot of her music. My criticism of her has nothing to do with not being a fan...its just an observation. I'm a pretty big Kanye fan though and I have no problems criticizing some of his behavior.

Everyone involved in this particular situation is petty....but I understand why Kim did this.

[–]Room480 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

What have they said about her?

[–]WhySheHateMe 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's she's a mean girl, basically.

[–]mereswift 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am happy I am living in blissful ignorance of what is going on. It's far easier to not get involved in the lives of the rich and famous.

I like her music and that's that. My opinion of her as a person does not matter to me at all.

[–]SerGeorge 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Always see it on TV, Or read it in the magazines, Celebrities want sympathy, All they do is piss and moan

[–]MisterPicklecopter -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Plus, isn't her music about the lives of the rich and the famous? Seems difficult to have this both ways...

[–]SerGeorge 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I literally don't know nor care lol, I just thought of that song when I read rich and famous

[–]AdaAstra 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've always been about the music, but hard to ignore the drama going on with her now. Don't really care about Kanye drama. As for the Calvin drama, kind of feel there there is way more to this story that we will never be informed with. Think she is rushing way to fast into her relationship with Tom Hiddleston given how she has had past relationships end badily when she started the relationship running.

So for the most part, not really much. I've enjoyed her music and still will. Somewhat care that she will be happy, considering how much has supported her fans, charities, etc. Just not going to get into an internet argument about any of her drama.

[–]Wiggedywut 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

My head is spinning this morning and I don't know what to even think about any of this. We should all realize that we don't actually know any of these people. We love Taylor for her music and personality but the personality we see is a calculated version of Taylor, not her entirely. I hope there's more to this story but it doesn't seem like it, given her weak response. I just do not understand how she didn't see this blowing up in her face.

[–]klostel 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

one of the realest, nicest celebrities

only Taylor young stans thought so.

Anyone else never thought of her as 'realest'. It was quite obvious her very tight PR control and fakery.

[–]ZachMerrett7 17ポイント18ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not at all.

[–]TooMuchChaos2 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why not?

[–]rodger_mexico 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one's perfect. Everyone has a shitty side, and will do some shitty things from time to time. There's no point in focusing on anything but the positive.

[–]alkanshel 22ポイント23ポイント  (20子コメント)

Hasn't. Don't give a damn.

[–]8754785078 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not at all. Never really cared about her personal life and drama, just her music. Don't care too much about it now.

[–]Skylord_ah 14ポイント15ポイント  (1子コメント)

didnt care before, still dont care now.

[–]Cullvion 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, this just seems like one misstep in her life that she needs to accept and move on from, but other that I really don't care that much.

[–]JibFlank 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

Always told people she's a professional victim controlled by a PR team, and turns out I was right.

[–]puggatron 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

This hasn't changed anything. I still love and support her

[–]Jesse1198 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It hasn't changed

[–]Mystical_17 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I heard her music early 2015 and a little while after joined this subreddit. I've really enjoyed all her music since then and even went to her 1989 World Tour Concert. With that said I remember many many months ago there was a thread about stalkers or something and it brought up the whole discussion of fandom over another person. I really don't follow famous people, heck minus Taylor Swift I really don't listen to any other 'mainstream' music honestly. My feelings back then are still these same as I voiced them back then: People are people and I don't put my happiness into other people becasue ultimately will eventually make mistakes or mess up intentionally disappointing someone else.

Fast forward to 2016 I've really not visited this subreddit much even though its my default subreddit in my favorites bar of my browser. I just usually let it load then go to other subreddits right away. I just happened to see some alarming post in here and then Pandora's box of what has transpired as of late was revealed to me. I don't keep up with what her or other stars do really. I know she's had a genuine kindness with her early career and how she treats others but I know there have been cracks in her image as the years go by that don't surprise me that much something like this is occurring now.

I am disappointed in her actions but its not going to affect my day to day life. I do hope for her sake she seeks reconciliation and finds herself again before this really gets more bizzare. This is a dangerous game she is playing and if she gets caught up in this lie it can easily spiral into an atomic bomb. I'd like to know what her mother thinks about this all really. Only time will tell, I'm not really going to focus on it all that much but I hope it turns out she becomes a better person through this. Its time for me to back away and get back to real life again, nothing really beneficial will come of it for me to gorge myself in all the drama. I don't think I will dislike her music any more but depending how crazy this all gets I may sadly not get any future albums if what has happened as of late gets injected into her music.

[–]cvtphila225 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Been a fan for a long time. Will probably die a fan unless she does something truly terrible like get a DUI. I was a fan of hers more for sentimental reasons than for her artistic merit. While I love her music, there are other artists I like more. The Hamilton soundtrack alone got more consecutive full-length replays from me than 1989. But Tay brought my college friends and I together, and for that I will always be grateful.

[–]22Fusion 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

Few things here.

People defended Lebron James when he was offended when draymomd green called him a "bitch" during the nba finals. Yet people dont seem to be ok with Taylor being offended being called a bitch?

But...i honestly think Taylor did this on purpose to get back at Kanye for the VMA thing. Right wrong or not, i think it finally got to her. It happens.

Also there are a lot more worse people in music. I don't need to give examples. But this is the worse thijg she has done, lets stop acting like she is the devil, or a horrible human being, when there are true felons in music who still get supported.

My opinion hasn't changed and i think this all is kinda ridiculous.

[–]-fuckyouthatswhy- 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because it's clear that Taylor is moving the goalposts to be able to still play the victim.

Also there are a lot more worse people in music. I don't need to give examples. But this is the worse thijg she has done, lets stop acting like she is the devil, or a horrible human being, when there are true felons in music who still get supported.

I hope you aren't one of the people who was mad at Kanye because all he did was interrupt someone at a made up award show and became public enemy number 1. Taylor backstabs a friend and now it's just there are a lot of worse things. Give me a break. Kanye was put through way more for way less.

[–]22Fusion -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

I never said it was just. Its not. But it also isnt the worse thing ever done like people are trying to make it out to be. Like i said i think Taylor did this in retaliation to the whole vma thing. I don't agree with it. But i understand it. This doesn't happen if kanye doesnt do the interruption. And if he doesnt keep bringing it up. 7 years later and Kanye is still referencing it.

[–]-fuckmethatswhy- 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

He brings it up because that was a pivotal moment in his life. That's literally was his public perception is.. The scum who interrupted a poor innocent girl, and he has to live with that hatred for the rest of his life. For interrupting an award show. He is seen as a worthless talentless hack for interrupting an award show.

Think about that.

And it's not like he brings it up often or when he does he's bashing Taylor. Whenever he does, it's to say how he's grown and learnt from the experience.

And now you're victim blaming. Taylor did a very conniving act that was far worse than anything Kanye has done, yet he's perpetually known as "the quintessential asshole". And he deserved that apparently. Like the irrefutable damage to his public perception over the past 7 years hasn't been enough.

For interrupting an award show.

[–]22Fusion -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

How is saying he thinks he could have sex with Taylor, and that he "made that bitch famous" showing he has grown and learnt from it??

[–]-fuckmethatswhy- 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, because it's tongue in cheek. You've clearly never heard him actually speak on the topic.

[–]dswagma 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

IIRC, Draymond called LeBron a fuck-boy, which is much worse than being called a bitch. I think at this point in his career and how long he's been playing, LeBron wouldn't have been that upset by being called a bitch. I think he was so upset, because he felt that word was attacking his character beyond basketball.

[–]22Fusion 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought it was "bitch ". But i could be wrong. I didnt pay full attention to that situation tbh lol

[–]22Fusion 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I see a report from SI saying it was "bitch ". And a report from sporting news saying it was "fuck boy". So it could be either. But from what i heard around that it was people defending lebron for being offended for being called a "bitch".

[–]noaoo 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hasn't changed at all. I don't give a shit about celebrity, i never cared about it and i never will.

[–]treesoutsidemywindow 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like her more now. I think it's fascinating how she's playing people and I wish she would embrace her scheming, calculating ways and ditch the nice girl Taylor angle.

[–]PeteChipwelll 8ポイント9ポイント  (23子コメント)

I don't get it at all, is this supposed to be a place for all the hates rather than the supportive toward Taylor? Getting down voted because I support her? I mean if you don't like her why would you even come here.

[–]mattiejj 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, there are a lot of people who got piled on for not agreeing with the "everything taylor does is perfect" hivemind that is present here.

They finally get their sweet revenge.

[–]SwiftAngel -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

The board is currently being raided by /r/Kanye a shitposting board about supporting him.

[–]franch 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

not at all. do people actually stop listening to musicians and being fans because of reality show drama? is that rly a thing?

[–]LittleNova 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't really care tbh, I am a fan of her music and her fashion style.

Whatever she does on her personal life, whoever she dates or doesn't, it's her life and her business.

However I think that we are being really harsh on her. People make mistakes. I think it's sad how the good things she does (charity, sending gifts and lovely messages to her fans) is often overlooked, because I think she genuinely cares for the people she helps. And her image people have of only writing songs about exes drives me a little mad because she has excellent songs about lots of topics (The Best Day, Long Live, Ronan, The Lucky One, etc).

I just want all this drama to be over.

EDIT: What is it with all the downvotes on people who support her? Are we not entitled to or own opinion?

[–]yeslekenna 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the sub is being brigaded by people from the Kanye subreddit. Also probably so many people who have turned on her who don't realize some people don't really care about the business side and still support her music.

For what it's worth, I agree with you.

[–]FlyHarvey -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are her good deeds overlooked? She's pretty much generally seen as a girl who can do no wrong. And didn't she just win humanitarian of the year or something like that last year?

[–]sassyclimbergirl 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Her initial statement of the song was definitely overstepping the truth as she obviously knew some of what the song was, but I don't blame her at all for being pissed about the 'that bitch' line. The video Kim posted doesn't show anything about that line. I wouldn't want to be referred to as 'that bitch' in my tiny corner of the world either :/

It really would do her some good to get out of the public eye for a while...she was so private with Calvin when they first got together. Go back to that.

[–]aarswft 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You don't get as big as her without painting a target on your back. For all the work she does with children hospitals or keeping an intimate relationship with her fans, in the end she will simply be reduced to TMZ level drama.

[–]ohnochin -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

My opinion hasn't changed at all

not sure why Ye fans are so quick to talk shit about her when Kanye has been a douche since day one.

I really dont care what Taylor does as I like her for her music, not her looks, personality, or behavior.

[–]seal3d_EU 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

This just made my day even worse when I thought it couldn't any more terrible... Going to bed before any really bad ideas pop up.

[–]kaenith108 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

My opinion of her never changed especially when I know her ever since her first album. No person could ever change into like that as fake and petty.

It wouldn't even matter if all they're saying is true or not as long as Taylor keeps making music. I still feel like all of these is nothing but an act even though Tom said it wasn't a PR stunt.

[–]Clutter_gcd -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've liked Taylor Swift since I was 14 because I could relate to the songs she wrote.

[–]LibertarianSocialism 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, the "Taylor has a shitty personality" crowd has been around forever and I haven't been in it then and I'm not in it now.

I've been pissed as hell over mean things my best friends have done. Doesn't mean I don't love them still. Honestly, this all could have been a coldly calculated revenge plot and I'd kinda understand.

[–]VRIceblast -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wow, so many people are so quick to believe West and Kim, even when their video proves they never told her about the line she didn't approve of.

Harris was never credited for writing the song, so it didn't matter if Taylor wrote it or not, it shouldn't have effected Harris negatively. It was the worse kept secret on the net, the song had been on the charts for 9 weeks and was already falling back down. Revealing that Taylor wrote the song, actually helped Harris, giving the song a ratings bump. Yet, for some reason, Taylor is made out to be the bad guy.

I've been watching Taylor for years now, and she's not pretending to be nice. She hasn't changed since she was a teen, but she's also a business. Her every action is weighted by the public. She can't do anything without someone saying something about it. So of course there is calculation involved, but it's only to a point. You can tell she's usually pretty free with her comments in most interviews.

Sorry, but there is only so many times you can win an award, and show genuine surprise. Proving she's not the greatest actress there is, which adds weight to her being genuinely nice, because she's not that great a actress.

Taylor isn't perfect, and she can even be wrong, just like the rest of us. People that put their stars on pedestals, will always end up disappointed. I'd rather treat them as human, like the rest of us.

[–]nybiggs[S] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wasn't quick to believe Kim. I have no respect for her. Kanye I can at least respect for his musical genius. He has the most grammies ever for a reason. Kim is a talentless reality star. When Kim first said it, I thought she was lying. Then she produced the tape and there is no denying.

If you still think Taylor is completely innocent you are unreasonably blinded. Her statement was clearly PR grasping at any footing she could. Conflating issues, as to detract from the real issue. She made it appear like she had no idea Kanye was going to put her in a song. The video showed not only did she have a good idea, she made it seem like it was cool. I hated Taylor's response. It would have been far better if she just said, I lied. I'm sorry.

I still support Taylor. I'm a big fan. She isn't perfect. But a lot of us had the image that she was. This video was the first clear example, she's not above pettiness, backstabbing, and vindictiveness. It's not that what she did is so bad. It's that we all thought she was better than that. She has fallen off the pedestal many of her fans placed her on.

[–]VRIceblast -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Taylor originally tried to distances herself from the song. Then realized she couldn't do that. She said, West and her talked about it, but she never was told the line, I made that bitch famous. She didn't agreed to that. Kim's video even proves she was never told the line. Her stance has always been against that line, from the beginning.

She agreed to a tongue and cheek song, and by adding "that Bitch", it changes the meaning of the song.

I like that Taylor can be vindictive, but she's not petty, or backstabbing, but anyone can get enraged, and loose control. That's only human.

[–]aarswft -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then she produced the tape and there is no denying.

Probably her most consistent skill.

[–]dogsstevens 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel bad that you're just now seeing more of her true colours. I also feel bad if you think most celebrities are as bad as her.

[–]st1nc1ty -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hasn't changed at all because Kim and Kayne aren't worth the time, Kim especially.

[–]ashmagic487 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Still a fan. I can't stand Kanye West or his wife's family, it just reads as Kris Jenners latest publicity spin.

[–]guardian18 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just confirmed what I always knew. Fake personality pandering to fans obssessed with identity and a tool of social programming. Her music isn't that bad, I guess. Or at least it wasn't.

[–]Dingalt -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will never deny that Taylor swift makes great music but now maybe you could try listening to kanyes discography? Open your eyes and ears stay loopy