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Moderation Announcement: 6 Hour Rule and Update Requests (self.bestoflegaladvice)

RamadyYinz King[M] が 投稿 - announcement

Folks,

After this discussion the other day and a couple of chats among the mod team, we're going to be tweaking a couple of rules.

First, we're reducing the 12 hour rule down to 6 hours. There wasn't really a consensus either way - some favored the current rule, others supported the change, and some had creative (if maybe impractical) ideas for a third way. Since there wasn't a clear consensus, we've decided to try this on a tentative basis - if we start hearing of this change causing problems in /r/legaladvice, we'll likely go back up to 12. We think that 6 hours is enough to make sure that OPs get good advice, and we think that shortening the waiting period will encourage folks to post and discuss the things we all love and hate.

Second, and perhaps more controversially, we are requesting that people refrain from requesting updates from the /r/legaladvice OP.

I know that update posts are among the most popular on this sub, and that there has been an awful lot of controversy around this topic recently. I hope you'll listen to our reasons for this, and that we can discuss this civilly below.

The OPs in /r/legaladvice are not there (solely) for our entertainment. They are real people with real problems. There are times when posting an update to the sub could damage OP's standing in their particular dispute. If OP decides to provide an update, great! We can all discuss it here. If they don't provide an update, there may well be a reason for that.

I've seen a handful of update posts on /r/legaladvice that start with something along the lines of "My lawyer said not to post about this anymore, but. . ." When we encourage OPs to update, we run the risk of convincing them to do something that could hurt them in a civil or criminal matter. That's not what any of us are here for.

So, going forward, we're going to be discouraging these requests, especially when OP is present in the thread. Simply mentioning that you'd like to see the end of an issue is one thing, but comments outright requesting an update will be removed.

Thank you,

/u/ramady

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[–]omgthespiders 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't really care about the 12-hour rule change. Think we'll see good posts with either.

I'm mixed on the update requests. Updates used to be my favorite part of /r/legaladvice, and I'm still not happy about locking them. I've seen the sorts of posts you mentioned, however, so I guess I can see where that could be a problem. I have a hard time being too angry about a change that seems designed to help people asking questions on an advice forum.

You guys are doing a good job. Thanks!

[–]RamadyYinz King[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

First, thank you.

I get the issue with update requests. There was a bit of controversy among the mods about this. Frankly, after the recent blowup about updates on /r/legaladvice, I didn't want to kick the hornet's nest.

Someone showed me a post from the other day where OP was in the sub, and there were several comments that said nothing other than "please update us." That kind of thing is a bit troublesome for the reasons I outlined above, and it doesn't really contribute to the discussion in the subreddit. It seems safe to remove it, and best for the OPs over in /r/legaladvice. Kind of hard to say no just because there might be controversy.

[–]omgthespiders 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Missed those but I have seen a lot of "IANAL but that can't be legal" lately. I can see how all that can be distracting/unhelpful.

[–]IDontKnowHowToPM 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think those would be alright here in BoLA, but they are pretty pointless in the main LegalAdvice subreddit. But that's on the LA mods to handle rather than us here.

[–]RamadyYinz King[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Those drive me crazy personally, but they start to dip into the sorts of content policing that I'm not a fan of.

[–]workingwithfire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes sense. I love a good update as much as anyone, but our entertainment is secondary to the OP's legal issues.

[–]SynthD 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Interesting. /u/grasshoppa1 what's your view on this?

[–]grasshoppa1 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't care one way or the other on the delay.

I fully agree with the ban on requesting updates. Updates are stupid.

[–]shhhhquiet 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is the ban on requests for updates just for here, or for the main sub as well? I feel like people who provide good advice to an OP should be free to ask respectfully for an update when it's appropriate (when it wouldn't make things worse for the op, obviously.) That's not about entertainment: there's a certain level of compassion and interest in others that goes into spending your time voluntarily using your expertise to provide help to people who need it, and a desire to hear the outcome is only natural if you've taken the time to make a connection with someone who's in a tricky legal situation. I know at least some contributors sometimes will ask for an update out of genuine concern that things will work out well for the OP, not because it's interesting gossip. "OP pls deliver" posts aren't helpful, but is it possible to allow requests for an update alongside a substantive, constructive post, if that's something they want to do?