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[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 1309ポイント1310ポイント  (120子コメント)

Yeah, no. This is a hall of fame level stupid decision. Plaintiff's attorneys would line up around the block for the opportunity to represent this woman. If this business relied in any way on working with the public their reputation would go up in smoke, and they'd be subject to discipline by the EEOC.

Essentially this policy is: "People with disabilities, specifically disabilities that are associated with recent military service, are icky and we don't want to see them. We'd also like our black employees to wear a lot of caked on white makeup if possible so they look less black."

[–]legal_throwaway_803[S] 756ポイント757ポイント  (98子コメント)

Funny you should say that because the prosthetic (leg below the knee) is the result of military service and the new owner and president say that it makes them uncomfortable.

[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 307ポイント308ポイント  (17子コメント)

So they'd get veterans groups protesting them as well. That's a "winning" strategy for sure. The new boss and owner need to drop $2k in a consult with an employment lawyer. When he stops laughing, he'll tell them in no uncertain terms that this is folly of the highest order. Then the lawyer will gleefully tell his staff about the company that just came to him because they will be the source of a ton of business.

[–]sloppyjoes7 74ポイント75ポイント  (5子コメント)

I have you tagged as an actual lawyer. So I believe that you're right that the employer is acting stupidly.

But what can OP reasonably do in this situation? Is there any advice he can give the prosthetic-wearing woman?

[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 97ポイント98ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is unclear in what position OP is: fellow worker, concerned manager, troll(?), secretary with access to information ... who knows. What they can or cannot do entirely depends on their relationship with the young woman, the boss, and the company. If OP wants to watch the world burn, they could just let this happen and get out the popcorn.

[–]TastyFace 36ポイント37ポイント  (1子コメント)

  • Print a copy of the dress code.
  • have some willing coworkers sign and date it, as witnesses
  • get fired for violating this idiotic policy
  • open and shut lawsuit
  • permanent vacation

Edit: just realized you asked what op can do... Pretty much help with the above and then either find a new job or hope the amputee is willing to keep the company open after she wins the whole frickin thing in a lawsuit.

[–]akajefe 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP can't do too much. Any sane doctor would throw him out of their office, and doing the deed yourself seems pretty dangerous.

[–]RealPutin 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

Inform the employer it's illegal.

If they ever, ever terminate her, sue the shit outta em

[–]twynkletoes 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm thinking a $2K retainer is too small for this.

[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

No. The lawyer would say don't implement that policy you idiots, and that'd be it.

[–]Durbee 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

To what extent can you un-ring that bell?

[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

They don't appear to have yet rung it.

[–]chinamanbilly 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Save the money and just delete it.

[–]catladygoals 426ポイント427ポイント  (45子コメント)

UNBELIEVABLE. Even if someone felt this way (which...?) I can't fathom that they would be so stupid to say it out loud.

[–]RealPutin 595ポイント596ポイント  (28子コメント)

This may have been the stupidest employer to come through this sub. Disabled and a veteran? In Virginia? Even if legal, that's asking to go out of business.

EDIT: I vote OP follows the dress code :p show up without the prosthetic. Stump it up in a business meeting, explain she isn't allowed a prosthetic

Double edit: Thanks for the gold, fam. Glad to be of entertainment

[–]here-we-stand 280ポイント281ポイント  (12子コメント)

Stump it up in a business meeting, explain she isn't allowed a prosthetic

Real nonchalantly, like she's just making small talk: "Yeah, y'know we can't display prostheses here, so I figured it'd be easier to just take it off than modify my clothes or something."

Would be especially effective if the meeting involves people from outside the company.

[–]El-Doctoro 94ポイント95ポイント  (4子コメント)

Make sure there is a lot of emphasis on the "veteran" part.

[–]Valalvax 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's easy, wear appropriate accessories, veterans hat (do they have those for recent vets?) etc

[–]Targom 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

A pin or something small representing the branch served in would do the trick if worn in a place where people would see it.

[–]SatchmoCat 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right on the hem of her skirt.

[–]RealPutin 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

TBF, those may violate the dress code, and legally so. The overall dress code at this place was niiiice.

[–]clowens1357 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

Throw that nub up on the table, start massaging it, "sorry, it just really aches when I can't properly wrap it and wear my leg"

[–]bugdog 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

They just want to show how much they nub the new company policy!

[–]flapanther33781 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

I dunno. This whole thing just nubs me the wrong way.

[–]Davidisontherun 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

They aren't gonna have a leg to stand on in court

[–]Krusha2117 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe they won't be too stub-orn to change it.

[–]insanitycentral 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cheeky reply for the meeting with the veteran and the boss would be: "I'm sorry I couldn't find a Surgeon that could sew on a new leg. Which I'm hoping you have a recommendation - I don't see any scars after your head was replaced with an ass"

[–]Cheefnuggs 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not legal. People with disabilities are protected from discrimination by law. It's like the first thing HR reads you when you sign your employment forms on your first day

[–]RealPutin 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh I know, I was one of the first to respond here saying that. I was just saying that on top of that, it's fucking stupid from a business perspective.

[–]Cheefnuggs 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely it's stupid. She's protected by federal law. What idiot company thinks they can circumvent that and which idiot(s) put them in charge?

[–]shadowofashadow 44ポイント45ポイント  (3子コメント)

I almost wore a skirt to work once just as a protest for the men's dress code... I can't imagine what I'd do if I were in this employee's situation. So many options... Maybe craft your own prosthetic with lots of bedazzling and sparkles so that it is not offensive to the boss? :D

[–]thatsnotgneiss 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are tattoo artists who will airbrush them for free, especially for vets.

[–]ChiliFlake 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

My cousin once wore a skirt (sarong) into work once, I forget what he was protesting. He teaches 8th grade. In Orange County, CA. Lucky for him they have pretty decent union.

I like the idea of bedazzling it. Or heck, go the other way and paint it pinstripe grey. That's 'business attire', right?

[–]NuclearWarTheGame 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

What's special about Virginia?

[–]savyur 33ポイント34ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lots of current and former military live in VA. You have the suburbs of DC, Quantico, and Hampton Roads, lots of bases.

[–]demystnot a yinz 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nothing, in general. However, in this case the fact that there are many current and former members of the military in Virginia would make things even worse for this company.

[–]_TheRooseIsLoose_ 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Virginia is tied for most veterans per capita. It's about a tenth of the adult population there.

[–]Jackielegz8689 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was thinking of making a huge show of apologizing to everyone in the company for making everyone look at her prosthetic. Something like " Hello everyone. I'd like to take a moment of your time, even though I know how uncomfortable it must be, in order to apologize to everyone for making them look at my prosthetic leg. I'm terribly sorry. I was foolish enough to believe I was still a normal human being and was being very unreasonable when I wore a dress to work that exposed my prosthetic. That ends today! I'm here to announce that I will be wearing snow pants and winter boots from here on in! I'm sorry for being so inconsiderate. Thank you."

[–]Zbignich 105ポイント106ポイント  (7子コメント)

UNBELIEVABLE. Even if someone felt this way (which...?) I can't fathom that they would be so stupid to say it out loud. put it in writing.

[–]RealPutin 122ポイント123ポイント  (6子コメント)

And it's even clearly in writing aimed at females with prosthetic legs, not just general prosthetics.

God that was stupid

[–]horsenbuggy 43ポイント44ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well, guys can't wear kilts.

By the way, one of my employees has a prosthetic leg and he loves to show it off on shorts day. But we love that kind of stuff around here.

[–]quantum-quetzal 45ポイント46ポイント  (4子コメント)

If I had a prosthetic, I'd sure as hell like showing it off. Especially if it looked like this one.

[–]Dreizu 18ポイント19ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's a Deus Ex tier aug right there.

[–]LordofShit 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I but that guy can cave your chest in with a kick now.

[–]Archer007 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

You say that like its a bad thing.

[–]VenomB 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

Missing limbs and prosthetics freak me the fuck out. But I keep that shit internal unless I am connected with the person. I don't have to like or understand something to respect it.

Prosthetics are not on the level of tattoos here.

[–]Justsomedudeonthenet 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its far freakier for the person who is actually missing the limb.

[–]overcherie 81ポイント82ポイント  (4子コメント)

Insane! "oh, I'm sorry that the sight of my leg makes YOU feel uncomfortable. It certainly wasn't uncomfortable when I was fighting for your freedom and it got blown off." good Christ that's just plain mean

[–]flapanther33781 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

"I never asked for you to go do that!"

[–]idaholives 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

That logic doesn't work against hoplophobes, unfortunately.

[–]virak_john 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I like people who weren't blown up." — Donald Trump probably

[–]wiredinmycoffee 58ポイント59ポイント  (0子コメント)

is the result of military service

the new owners are really playing with fire here, people would be very very upset if this information got out

this policy is directed at one person with a prosthetic leg (a veteran no less!), and i would think a lawyer would be pretty excited about getting a case like this

[–]I_did_naaaht 56ポイント57ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just wait until you see their brilliant idea for a new marketing campaign, entitled "We Hate Puppies."

[–]DeltaBlack 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just wait until you see their brilliant idea for a new marketing campaign, entitled "We KILL Puppies."

FTFY.

[–]Deceitful_Sloth 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nah, we just get them to fight wars for us, and when they cone back with a prosthetic leg some asshole tries to fire them.

[–]potato1 30ポイント31ポイント  (1子コメント)

So this is not just disability discrimination but veterans discrimination too? Man, this case just keeps getting easier.

[–]KSFT__ 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

also gender discrimination

it mentions skirts specifically

[–]pipsdontsqueak 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

Oh man. I know a couple attorneys that would love this lawsuit.

[–]B_G_L 24ポイント25ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you only know a couple attorneys?

[–]pipsdontsqueak 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, only a couple VA attorneys. I surprisingly don't know that many considering I'm in DC.

[–]o0Enygma0o 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wel. Not op but I only know a couple plaintiffs side attorneys.

[–]KSFT__ 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know any attorneys, and even I know a couple attorneys who would love this lawsuit.

[–]pm-me-neckbeards 78ポイント79ポイント  (6子コメント)

the new owner and president say that it makes them uncomfortable.

Would they also ask someoene with a facial deformity to wear a paper bag over their head?

[–]BUBBLYSTRING 61ポイント62ポイント  (3子コメント)

the new owner and president say that it makes them uncomfortable.

I'm stuck on 'it makes them uncomfortable?'

[–]pm-me-neckbeards 71ポイント72ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right?

"Sorry that my missing half a leg from my wartime service to this fucking country makes you a little queasy."

[–]RealPutin 47ポイント48ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair, I'd be a good bit uncomfortable in that workplace too.

Because of the owner though, not the disabled vet

[–]pm-me-neckbeards 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I bet the new owners lose good employees due to this takeover.

Good bosses don't try to hide employees with disabilities. Especially a prosthetic. Come on.

[–]ContextOfAbuse 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

Would they also ask someoene with a facial deformity to wear a paper bag over their head?

Hey! We've been making /u/demyst wear one for years and you don't hear him complaining.

[–]pv46 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought that was because of the ball gag he has on underneath it?

[–]reed17purdue 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

"well sir/madam it makes me uncomfortable i had went and fought to go fight for your pathetic excuse of a human being and lose part of myself to uphold your beliefs. But then again, i fought for freedom, you're welcome."

[–]skybluebear 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

They are going to feel really uncomfortable when they get sued, lose, and get reamed in the court of public opinion

[–]Raincoats_George 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

What an ass. Let this one ride and see how well it works out for them and the resulting shit storm.

[–]butch123 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

BeCause, Because, The person with the disability would like to kick their asses.

[–]virak_john 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is going to cost that employer an arm... Oh. Uh...

[–]CagedWire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he says write that down with date time.

[–]Butthole__Pleasures 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Holy shit. Your coworker might have just won the lottery.

[–]nsfwhun 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe I've missed it elsewhere, but how did you overhear them saying it made them uncomfortable? Have multiple people overheard/observed this? Was this policy update emailed to all of you?

On that note, would having an emailed, updated policy like this alone be enough to pursue action by your friend (to the lawyers here)?

[–]thalguy 38ポイント39ポイント  (2子コメント)

It makes me happy that this company would be so quickly and thoroughly taken to the woodshed. The new owner and president sounds like a tremendously terrible person. I hope he/she does get sued and destroyed.

[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 47ポイント48ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's part of the problem with this post. While I'm not going to call it a troll post, it does have some of the hallmarks of a troll post - One party very sympathetic, the other unquestionably diabolical, etc. the possibilities, as I see them, are that we're getting half or a quarter of the story, the story is very slanted, or the story is made up.

[–]thalguy 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

It certainly could be a troll post, but there are a lot of terrible people with poor judgement in the world and I think it's possible this terrible person just rose to power.

[–]tloznerdo 40ポイント41ポイント  (12子コメント)

If you're right, this case sounds like a great instant retirement plan for the employee.

[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 92ポイント93ポイント  (11子コメント)

It doesn't work that way. What would happen, theoretically, is that she'd continue to wear skirts until she was fired. Then file a lawsuit. The lawsuit would take give or take two years. Then she'd get back wages, emotional damages, and some other crap, plus they'd be forced to offer her her old job back.

Not a life changing windfall, but enough to be notable.

[–]KnyteTech 35ポイント36ポイント  (9子コメント)

Presumably she'd get a new job elsewhere, and 2 years+ of pay in a lump sum is a hell of a windfall for almost anybody.

[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 37ポイント38ポイント  (8子コメント)

Agreed, but instant retirement it ain't.

[–]Deceitful_Sloth 7ポイント8ポイント  (6子コメント)

Could you be awarded punitive damages and/or legal fees in a case like this?

[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 20ポイント21ポイント  (5子コメント)

Potentially legal fees because it's an EEOC type thing. Punitive damage awards are pretty rare in the US, so maybe but not likely.

[–]mfkap 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

This seems like a good candidate for punitive damages. This is like next-level stuff. It is discriminatory, against a disabled veteran, changing policies to target them specifically, for their own comfort. It is boggling that anyone can own a company and still be that oblivious to the shitstorm it will cause.

[–]ZanctmaoQuality Contributor 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a cap on punitive damages in VA. Tort deform strikes again.

[–]Butthole__Pleasures 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

If massive punitive damages were ever justified, it seems like this would be the case, though. Right? Would those apply here?

[–]magyarmadar 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah this is straight up disability descrimination. Great way to get your ass sued. I hope she wears a skirt, sues their pants off and buys herself a kickass new leg thats capable of inspector gadget level shit.

[–]migrainevision 558ポイント559ポイント  (33子コメント)

NAL but I wrote my PhD dissertation on corporate policy and discrimination. You'd be amazed what dumb ass policies are dreamed up by people who have no idea what they're doing. This is a dream case and if we're lucky enough your employer will be so stupid they'll let it go to court and they'll get to be featured in someone else's dissertation.

[–]CowOrker01 178ポイント179ポイント  (2子コメント)

Cmon, don't leave us hanging. Give us some examples of bad policies!

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_TRADRACK 72ポイント73ポイント  (1子コメント)

This one has got to be the worst I've ever heard of.

[–]Steavee 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

I knew it when I clicked on it. You're not wrong, this is insanely stupid. I just can't understand why no one said "Hey, we shouldn't do this. It's stupid, illegal, and very bad form."

[–]alice-in-canada-land 121ポイント122ポイント  (12子コメント)

Um, yeah, I'm afraid you are now legally required to share many of these stories with us.

[–]fueledbychelsea 63ポイント64ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's true. I wrote MY dissertation on this and you legally can't leave us hanging

[–]I_did_naaaht 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wrote my dissertation on people writing suspiciously applicable dissertations. I agree with your assessment.

[–]BAXterBEDford 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Corporate Policies: You Wouldn't Believe What They're Writing! (Just Wait Til You Read Number 7!)

[–]derspiny 58ポイント59ポイント  (7子コメント)

Which university do I have to visit to read your dissertation?

[–]npsage 93ポイント94ポイント  (1子コメント)

We're all going on a subreddit field trip!

[–]darkentries 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if it were your intention, but I now have the tune of "Summer Holiday" humming through my mind.

[–]Sluisifer 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

AFAIK most programs file dissertations with ProQuest, so unless there's an embargo on the work (to publish remaining manuscripts and such) it should be available. You generally need institutional access to view them free. If you find the title, though, you can often find it on an author's ResearchGate page.

[–]derspiny 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't buy u/migrainevision a beer through ProQuest, but I can if I'm visiting their institution.

I've also got a soft spot for dead-tree reading.

[–]pangrametry 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

Keep in mind though that if it's older than a couple of years you might have a hell of a time finding it!

[–]jmurphy42 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, most universities have been electronically publishing dissertations a few years longer than that.

[–]sirophiuchus 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many PhD dissertations are also available on the university's website or library website. If not, they may be on the author's Academia.edu page if they have one. And if not, consider emailing the author and asking. Most will fall all over themselves to send you a PDF.

[–]The_Sven 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

You'd be amazed what dumb ass policies are dreamed up by people who have no idea what they're doing.

I work in grocery for a big corporation. I am keenly aware of when a new policy comes from a person fresh out of business school vs having actually worked in a grocery store before.

[–]willreignsomnipotent 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think I get what you mean. At least, I've seen this kind of thing before.

Basically people who have never worked the lower level, as "boots on the ground" in a given profession or business, but rather were hired on directly as management end up making stupid decisions, because they have no idea what it's really like for the people on the ground floor, and their real challenges and needs. So they make stupid policies that piss off the employees, and often even harm the business, because they can't quite see the mistakes they're making, and too few companies have a good structure in place for really listening to the lower level workers who have something to say.

It can be infuriating to watch.

[–]JadieRose 96ポイント97ポイント  (1子コメント)

I commented on the first post as well - this is definitely illegal. I cannot believe an employer would be this dumb as to put something like this in writing.

[–]legal_throwaway_803[S] 60ポイント61ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apologies for that. For some reason it posted 3 times I deleted two of them when I noticed.

[–]wintremute 137ポイント138ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm going to assume that no one in HR has had any input on this? Because it's nuclear waste level toxic. They're singling out and actively discriminating against a disabled combat veteran for being disabled. I'd bet there are some powerful politicians that represent her that would be quite interested to know about this. She should drop a dime or two.

[–]catiebug 52ポイント53ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, as an HR professional, Crisis Mode would have been engaged the instant this policy was suggested. And if it actually made it to publication despite my efforts, I would have quit. I could not have looked that employee in the eye. And I would have relished the day I received a subpoena so I could sing like a canary. So no way can there be a professional, well-informed, and experienced HR professional involved in this.

[–]AF_Bunny 16ポイント17ポイント  (6子コメント)

More then just veterans get prosthetic limbs.

[–]alice-in-canada-land 61ポイント62ポイント  (1子コメント)

Elsewhere, OP confirmed that this person was injured during military service.

[–]I-do-not-like-this 20ポイント21ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even if the affected person was not a veteran, veterans groups would crawl out of the woodwork to back her.

[–]hrbuchanan 27ポイント28ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, it's not like they could walk out of the woodwork, no prosthetics allowed.

[–]SenatorMeathooks 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do believe I'm going to hell for laughing at this.

[–]wintremute 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP said in another post that she lost it in the military.

[–]here-we-stand 49ポイント50ポイント  (2子コメント)

If she gets fired tomorrow she'll have what can only be described as a slam-dunk case.

Out of morbid curiosity, does the board you mentioned not contain any HR people, or anyone with a firm grip on reality for that matter? For the sake of your friend's employment, I'm hoping management rectifies this asininity before they become known as the company that fired a vet for having a prosthesis.

[–]Bensrob 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd assume that either there's no hr on the board, they got given a list of things to agree to and just skimmed it, or (most likely in my opinion) when it was presented to them it was worded using language such as 'employees with unsightly body modifications much cover them'.

I assume the latter is the case and they assumed it to mean piercings / tattoos.

[–]Grimsterr 141ポイント142ポイント  (2子コメント)

So is she raffling off who gets to represent her? Lawyers would be willing to put HER on retainer just to get their hands on this juicy peach of a case.

This is the very textbook (not that I've ever read a law textbook) of why the EEOC exists and is so illegal.

[–]punriffer5 128ポイント129ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes judge, I've actually done 0 preparation for this case. I'm going to ask my client to walk over to the stand and explain her case, and then we can get to the financial ruling, your honor.

[–]RealPutin 58ポイント59ポイント  (0子コメント)

TIL I can litigate this case as a physics student

How to pay for college!

[–]RealPutin 133ポイント134ポイント  (28子コメント)

NAL, If that dress code applied to everybody and covered all limbs, then the employer would be good to go.

Specifically for someone with prosthetic limbs? That's messed up and quite discriminatory. EEOC would love to see this.

I'll go law hunting to see if I can find something, actual lawyers please correct me

[–]legal_throwaway_803[S] 74ポイント75ポイント  (10子コメント)

Only for people with prothestic limbs. The rest of the dress code says that skirts and dresses may be worn so long as they are just above the knee, short sleeved collared shirts may be worn with a tie as well as sleeveless blouses and dresses, as long as in all cases a jacket is on hand for meetings with clients.

[–]JadieRose 91ポイント92ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd love to see them try to defend this if there's no safety-related reason for them to target a specific, legally protected, segment of the workforce with this policy. And "eww gross!" isn't a defense.

[–]The_Arakihcat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The defense would be showing the movieThe Fugitive in the courtroom and then looking at the judge and saying: "Now do you see why I'm uncomfortable with them?"

[–]RealPutin 38ポイント39ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah not ok. Uniform dress code required. Only exceptions are when the disabled individual cannot physically wear the uniform.

[–]honkhonkbeepbeeep 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, you have to allow people to modify fasteners to require less dexterity or allow a wheelchair user to wear a less tailored version if it's getting hung up in the back or is too hot for them. But that's totally different, and it would be the employee asking for an accommodation.

[–]etchedchampion 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't understand why anyone would even care about this. A prosthetic limb is just a limb. Who finds this "unsightly" or offensive?

[–]gfjq23 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would, but I would never say it . I have an extreme phobia of amputation. Not so much the prosthetics, but they remind me of amputation and it creeps me out.

[–]sadhandjobs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

At least You have the sense not to say anything or make some dumbshit policy.

[–]mduell 5ポイント6ポイント  (2子コメント)

skirts and dresses may be worn so long as they are just above the knee

Above is an interesting limitation, rather than below.

[–]Vakieh 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just above being the shortest, as opposed to well above.

[–]honkhonkbeepbeeep 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder if it still could potentially be an ADA issue though actually. My relative with a prosthetic leg prefers to roll her pantleg up (or wear shorts or skirts) because it's apparently annoying and harder to figure out where the leg is when clothing is pulling at it and getting hung up on it. This doesn't seem any different aesthetically in the workplace than my former colleague who preferred to not use a leg prosthesis and who used crutches instead. He'd pin the pantleg on the side where he was born without a lower leg. It was obvious that dude had a limb difference, and he wasn't doing anything immodest. This workplace required long pants. No one cared because they weren't assholes.

[–]_jackflack 6ポイント7ポイント  (15子コメント)

Aren't you allowed to modify a dress code so people with tattoo's are barred from displaying them? Assuming it applies to all employee's. I would assume this to be similar to that vs. EEOC violation.

[–]RealPutin 90ポイント91ポイント  (12子コメント)

Yeah. But tattooed isn't a protected class.

[–]Emergency_Ward 58ポイント59ポイント  (5子コメント)

What if it's a bitchin' tattoo of an eagle saluting the American flag? Protected? Yes?

[–]The_Sven 78ポイント79ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yes, but you can't just say "my tattoo is bitchin'" and assume it is. You have to apply for a Bitchin' Permit with the Office of Cool Regulation and Protection where it is judged by a panel of judges and given a score on the Fonze Scale. If it receives 80/100 Fonzies than it is declared Officially Bitchin'. However, a simple Eagle isn't usually enough. It needs on have some skulls and monster trucks too.

[–]dezmd 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Explosions. Don't forget the explosions. Perferably with the General Lee emerging from the mid jump.

[–]jaws_forJesus 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

This reads like a Dead Milkmen song.

[–]MonosyllabicGuy 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The important thing here is that we get to the part where you ask me how I'm gonna get down to the shore.
- Oh, how you gettin' down to the shore?
- Funny you should ask, I've got a car now.
- Ah wow, how'd ya get a car?
- Oh, my folks drove it up here from the Bahamas.
- You're kidding!
- I must be, the Bahamas are islands.
Okay, the important thing here is that, uh, you ask me what kinda car it is.
- Uh uh, what kinda car do ya' got?
- I've got a bitchin' Camaro...

[–]_jackflack 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Cool, I get that. Thanks :)

[–]isleepinahammock 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

What if it were a religious tattoo, and a core article of your particular faith was that you needed to display religious tattoos?

[–]potato1 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

The critical difference is that disability status is a protected class, and missing a limb is a disability.

[–]virak_john 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Off-topic, but what do you think apostrophes do?

[–]Valendr0s 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sir, that lawsuit would be over so quickly, I'd advise you to bring cab fare to the courthouse, since Dr Turk would be driving your Beemer home to his place.

[–]Draqur 90ポイント91ポイント  (18子コメント)

Is there some reason for this? Is she being rude somehow involving her prosthetic leg? Did this new rule come out of no where?

Was she detaching it and beating people with it? Was she storing food in it, and it was getting moldy? Perhaps housing a family of squirrels? Does it make cool (potentially annoying to non-fun people) noises like transformer robots?

This is such an absurd rule to be created out of the blue, there must be some backstory to it.

[–]legal_throwaway_803[S] 88ポイント89ポイント  (13子コメント)

A new owner has purchased the company and the president retired and a new one is hired. They say it makes them uncomfortable. That's the only issue. This person wears skirts every day.

[–]megabyte1 61ポイント62ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is truly just terrible. You're a good friend for pursuing this.

[–]swalsh411Quality Contributor 59ポイント60ポイント  (2子コメント)

You know what should make even more uncomfortable? The thought of an expensive lawsuit and public shaming. If this is ever actually enforced I hope somebody sues his balls to the wall.

[–]coronavitae 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

The irony is that if they know this, they can just change the policy and fire her at-will. If she brings it up, then that would look like retaliation, but a good mediocre lawyer could easily enable the president to discriminate against her if he does it "correctly."

[–]JadieRose 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes them uncomfortable? I can't even. I almost hope they DO try to fire her so she can sue the pants off them (pun intended) but it would be much smarter to tell them that their dress code policy is discriminatory and a violation of the EEO.

[–]Thus_Spoke 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

They say it makes them uncomfortable. That's the only issue.

Oh my god, they crafted this... directive... with a specific person in mind and have openly opined that this person's disability grosses them out?

This is like litigation pornography.

[–]RealPutin 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

Tell her to go in without the leg. Use crutches. See if that makes them uncomfortable. Doesn't violate their dress code now, does it?

[–]revenant211 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or better yet, forget the crutches, just hop and/or crawl.

[–]Draqur 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought it was going to be a ridiculous answer, maybe something along the lines of their religion not believing people should be allowed to use prosthetic limbs. But because it "makes them uncomfortable?"

That's even more ridiculous than anything I imagined.

Is this person wearing skirts by any chance a man? (or formerly a man?)

I can not see how a sane person, in a position of power, can believe that this is a good decision. ESPECIALLY considering they're a disabled military vet. Please OP, don't say anything yet. Let this new rule of theirs go in to effect. Let them say something to your co-worker. Unless of course, you think your co-worker would be hurt in such a way that it wouldn't be worth it.

Make sure your popcorn stash is full, and since this is a very, very rare occasion that you may never witness again, go ahead and put on some extra butter, and even salt.

[–]revenant211 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well that's just a bunch of bull hooey, is what that is.

She should absolutely wear a skirt tomorrow, and you should make sure you have some sort of water-cooler talk directly outside the new President's office. Or have her just over do it and wear a full on snowsuit every day (though that would be maybe slightly uncomfortable for her).

[–]rhapsodyknit 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The next question would be: is the skirt a religious thing?

[–]horsenbuggy 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is she being rude somehow involving her prosthetic leg?

Was she detaching it and beating people with it?

It took me a long time to get to your second paragraph because I was imagining just that (and giggling). "Imma kick you in da head!" And then she rips off the leg and hits her coworker upside the head with it.

Aww. I need to show this to my amputee employee. He'd laugh, too.

[–]TIGit 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to work with a guy nicknamed "One Legged Louie" on night shift in a QA lab for aerospace materials. We were giving each other shit one night, and I told him I could outrun him so I wasn't afraid. I started walking away. He took his leg off and threw it, kicking me in the back of the head. I took that leg and ran and did not give it back until the end of our shift.

Sometimes work places are just not safe for work.

[–]here-we-stand 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is she being rude somehow involving her prosthetic leg?

Let me put it this way: ever seen Planet Terror?

[–]random_side_note 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, i mean, i guess i can see how a machine gun leg might unnerve some.

[–]bobbogreeno 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check out this link. They WILL take action. DOJ doesn't screw around with civil rights issues. https://www.ada.gov/complaint/

[–]G19classified 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're setting yourself up for a Title VII lawsuit. You'd lose bad. And you'd pay out a huge judgment. Lots of sympathy from a jury for war heroes (for good reason).

If the employee requests an accommodation to the dress code, you have to grant it. If you fire them for asking for one. That's called retaliation. Quit while you're behind.

Btw I'm a defense attorney who handles cases like this. I hope your company has a huge liability policy. Otherwise your company is going to pay out a lot in legal fees for the aforementioned Title VII case in addition to the judgment and the employee's attorney's fees.

[–]MightyMackinac 15ポイント16ポイント  (2子コメント)

OP, please for the love all that is good, please give us an update! I want to read a whole story about how she took this to court, the lawyer has a big ass grin on his face, the owner gets his face drug into the mud, and the company goes under.

That would be one of the best justice stories I could ever possibly read.

[–]AuntieAv 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

You won't need one. This will be all over Fox news when it goes to court.

[–]Copper_Dome 25ポイント26ポイント  (3子コメント)

I live in Virginia. I wouldn't mind a PM with the name of the company as I'd love to do my best to not patronize them.

[–]andpassword 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know you're in for a laugh when they pluralize "employees" with an apostrophe.

[–]skybluebear 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP what is your role in this? Are you HR or another employee at the company? Are you the supervisor for the woman with the prosthetic?

[–]tornadoRadar 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I seriously can't even becky. Like oh my god. look at that settlement. It's just so big.

[–]we_got_caught 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

NAL but sounds discriminatory toward people with prosthetics.

[–]Plastonick 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Presumably you should word it "people with disabilities". If I (currently have all my limbs) were to walk around with a prosthetic, I doubt I'd have much of a defence if I were told to remove it/stop carrying it in the office.

[–]arguablytrue 53ポイント54ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, I usually wear two prosthetic arms in addition to my two natural arms because I was forewarned.

And forewarned is... four armed.

[–]Zoot-just_zoot 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

You just gave me the best real, honest-to-goodness laugh I've had all week. Thanks.

[–]Loreki 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whatever she does, the suit over this policy feels like it might be worth more than a few years salary. She should definitely continue to ignore them, wear a skirt if she chooses and frankly hope to be fired.

Edit: she should not rock the boat on this point or summon politicians. You don't get any money for making a public stink!

[–]hasdrupal 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wouldn't that violate the Americans with disabilities act? Not a lawyer, but pretty sure that's illegal, or close to it.

[–]PvtSherlockObvious 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

To paraphrase a wise attorney: Your boss could certainly do that. Of course, he'd be somewhat vulnerable from a legal standpoint. Specifically, that lawsuit would be over so quickly, I'd advise him to bring cab fare to the courthouse, since (employee name) would be driving his car home to her place that night.

[–]luckyAZ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like the perfect way to lose all clients and the business itself. Surely they made this policy in order to bankrupt and ostracize the business. They must have been tired of running it and wanted to close it due to "outside influence." Any other explanation would mean the owners and operators are soulless fucks who will be judged in the public opinion forum, found guilty and set out to rot.

[–]I-do-not-like-this 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't have any advice, I just wanted to say I can't imagine how someone would feel uncomfortable around someone with a prosthetic limb; that shit looks metal.

[–]Steavee 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The high tech metal ones look cool, I will admit that some of the plasticky ones seem to be in an uncanny valley for me and it throws me off a bit. Then I feel bad for being thrown off, because I know it's my own personal failing and THAT throws me off even more trying not to be thrown off.

That said, I would never try to implement a policy like this, even if it were legal (which it certainly is not). That's just insane.

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    [–]demystnot a yinz[M] 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Your post has been removed for the following reason(s):

    While I appreciate the sentiment, such requests of OP are inadmissible as per the rules of the subreddit.

    If you feel this was in error, message the moderators.

    [–]tulajeechilsamsachil 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Understood..sorry. Emotion got loose from me for a moment.

    [–]demystnot a yinz 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No worries. I totally understand what you were saying, and I agree with your sentiment. However, just due to the nature of legal things and how this subreddit should function . . . can't be lettin' comments like that hang out!

    Thank you for your service!

    [–]KrasnyRed5 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think you should let if go so this woman doesn't have to work again. The downside of course is you might lose you job once she wins a few million from the company.

    [–]Agarax 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    OP, I demand follow up when there is hasty backpedaling.

    [–]obTxO 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I feel like you need to name and shame this company. I, for one, want to make sure no money I spend furthers the career of the asshat who came up with this policy.