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[–]The_Music[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (0子コメント)

This thread is now going to be locked. Everything that can be said, has been said regarding this issue or lack of a feature.

It's day one. We won't know heads or tails until tomorrow, if then. In the mean time, please remain civil.

As of this moment, it cannot be determined whether this is a server error or seeing other players is just completely absent from NMS.

We are all in this together guys.

[–]Kazumo 125ポイント126ポイント  (7子コメント)

Can anyone confirm this? http://i.imgur.com/9NC2gMI.png

The European boxes were manufactured (likely 2 months ago) with "multiplayer" on the back. They had to sticker them so that was removed.

Source: /v/

[–]nobito 164ポイント165ポイント  (3子コメント)

  • "You effectively see their suit, actually," said Murray. "So you won't know what's inside. It still won't answer for people whether you are an alien or whether you are a human or what you look like."

Sooo... He had some invisibility tech on his suit....?

Source: http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/ps4/feature/a801705/your-biggest-no-mans-sky-questions-answered/ Q4

[–]n4th0s 76ポイント77ポイント  (2子コメント)

When I saw that, I wondered if there's even player models in the game. I mean, you can't see your hand or feet while looking around or using a weapon. If you can't see your reflex or shadow, then this theory is very possible.

Only PC release will help to clarify this, since probably easier to dig files up and stuff.

[–]Bynnh0j 497ポイント498ポイント  (8子コメント)

It is good to know that I will not be eating dog shit.

[–]tansreer 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you a wizard?

[–]zangor 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow. If anything, everyone in that chain should eat some robust steamy dog shit.

[–]TheSauceBoy 51ポイント52ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn, good call there m8.

[–]MammothErection 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha lucky you, unlucky everyone else.

[–]obippo 1566ポイント1567ポイント  (590子コメント)

They are on the planet, exact same spot and they can't see each other. So not multiplayer confirmed.

e/ http://imgur.com/a/klomu

[–]Turbo__Sloth 298ポイント299ポイント  (14子コメント)

I (and other people that never believed for a second that there's an infinitesimally small chance of meeting anybody) guaranteed people would find a way to meet up within the week.

It happened within hours.

[–]alexnader 207ポイント208ポイント  (0子コメント)

Life, uh ... finds a way.

[–]Vamaslzr 44ポイント45ポイント  (2子コメント)

And amazingly between 2 people streaming.

[–]teaandscones1337 79ポイント80ポイント  (1子コメント)

They only started streaming because they contacted each other through psn and were so close

[–]drogean3 576ポイント577ポイント  (88子コメント)

Just an update, as somebody who has been watching this stream from the beginning

both players can be found here:

http://multitwitch.tv/psytokat/thesadcactus

They have met up a few times in both the space station and on the planet - as in, they are both in the same exact spot, trying to manipulate the environment, etc - they cannot see each other, nor the changes, nor the ships

Further, it doesn't even look like the game even syncs up time, since one player is in that spot and its day time, and for the other it's night time

Conclusion so far: At this moment they have done a whole lot to try to prove that multiplayer exists now that the "it will be next to impossible to find each other" limitation is now a NON ISSUE , but so far it looks like even the illusion of "somebody being there" doesn't exist

5:20PM : Both players are relogging in the same exact spot to see if they end up "in the same lobby" (if thats a thing). It looks like at this point one player has revealed he does not have PS plus, (not PSN) however ign reports neither are required. So that player is signing up

5:28PM : Both players now have PS Plus - and are relogging. It seems that one player now has a bug where its showing him disconnected from online services- so they are trying to fix that

5:35: Online activated on both games - both have relogged, time looks be synced up so they see the same planet/time of day (correction: they just both eventually happened to see night time together due to all the relogging) - still no indication of them seeing each other - or seeing each other's planet destruction. We are back to square one

Both players will be back streaming and retrying at 9PM est

Edit: Correction, both always had PSN - one player did not have PS PLUS

Edit 2: For those wondering "WHY U MAD?

No man's lie

[–]envie42 117ポイント118ポイント  (0子コメント)

Been watching them awhile, they were definitely both interacting with the same NPC (same name) at the same exact time in the same space station and they could not see one another and there was no indication they were there together other than they're both on twitch streaming at the same time.

[–]Ertosi 121ポイント122ポイント  (26子コメント)

I'm watching them now and they are doing a wonderful job of following each other. They were in the same space station together and just left in-sync for the planet below.

I've noticed that the NPC ships they are passing by are even different and not in the same spot. While in the hangar on the station, one saw a ship fly out but the other didn't and had a few ships fly past in the distance. Then both saw two ships fly into the hangar together at the same time, but they were different ship designs on each screen.

[–]Ertosi 261ポイント262ポイント  (24子コメント)

Man, these two guys are amazing because they are really trying everything possible to see each other, trying to rule everything out.

Good job guys!

[–]TheGalacticCactus[S] 317ポイント318ポイント  (17子コメント)

Hey that means a lot thank you. I was trying really hard to focus cause I'm extremely shy!

[–]envie42 84ポイント85ポイント  (0子コメント)

That had to be nerve-wracking to get on twitch knowing hundreds of people were logging on just to watch you when you're not normally a streamer and shy. You did a great job!

[–]FirstNamesMusic 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude really thank you for doing this! You are DA REAL MVP

[–]the_boomr 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Online activated on both games - both have relogged, time looks be synced up so they see the same planet/time of day - still no indication of them seeing each other - or seeing each other's planet destruction. We are back to square one

Damn. There goes that theory.

[–]ShortchangeParamecia 25ポイント26ポイント  (1子コメント)

My guess?

The player doesn't even have a freaking model for the game to display.

Literally all you see is the gun, iirc, do you even see their hand when they reload?

[–]Gunstar_Green 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

In one of the early BigTiggles streams the game glitched and it did show the multi-tool just floating there. That was confirmation enough that the player character isn't rendered.

Now that's not out of the ordinary for a first person game, especially one like this where so much else has to be rendered, but I'm doubting that a player model exists as well.

I guess we'll see when people data mine the PC version.

[–]Rocket_Smith 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

Looks like the NMS servers actually got taken offline/crashed due to quantity of users - http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/08/09/no-mans-sky-servers-currently-down

The time stamp on the tweets suggests this happened around the time this was going on - at about 17:30 GMT. So maybe this is part of the problem?

[–]DeadFreak96 32ポイント33ポイント  (7子コメント)

They have the best people on the job, nothing to worry about. https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/763127316927184897

[–]Daevilis 28ポイント29ポイント  (5子コメント)

Sometimes I feel like Sean tries to hard to be cheeky about these things.

They pretty explicitly told us you could find other players but it would be incredibly unlikely, but when it ends up taking less than an entire day for someone to find another player and prove that there is no multiplayer whatsoever, Sean is all jokes.

[–]Jackriip 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

SO Sean stated that people would join your 'bubble' or lobby when they interacted with you, which allowed them to play together. Is it possible that the servers were having issues because day one (and all of Seans many multiplayer issue tweets) which caused them to not 'connect' to each other?

Not really caring that its not MP, just curious if this might be it

[–]babybigger 735ポイント736ポイント  (319子コメント)

Yes. And now we need Sean to comment, because people are making up theories it's still possible.

EDIT:

There will be endless debate, and people will argue it's still possible, until we get Sean to answer a few simple questions:

  • Can you go to the same location as another player on a planet and see them in the game?
  • What are the conditions needed for you to see them?

Please don't stop asking Sean until he answers the first question, at least.
And he needs to be explicit (not just say this isn't a multiplayer game).

[–]_Lasting_ 399ポイント400ポイント  (51子コメント)

See the problem is this. If you there is no multiplayer interaction at all why not just say that? Instead of just confusing the fuck out of people.

[–]babybigger 100ポイント101ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree.

[–]indeepth0ught 293ポイント294ポイント  (17子コメント)

Instead of just confusing the fuck out of people.

Confusing? He straight up LIED about it.

[–]metalman909 70ポイント71ポイント  (3子コメント)

I agree. I have been following this game since it was first announced and it is always been implied especially in the early days you could play and meet up with other humans. Implying a known falsehood is lying. Many people looking forward to this game that I know were looking forward to eventually meeting up with another human. Improbable but not impossible. Now maybe just bullshit?

[–]beavertreat 43ポイント44ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm too lazy to look it up but I remember an interview in which he said he wanted the moment when two players came across each other and realized what they looked like to be one of the most profound moments in the game.

[–]strappingyoungladdie 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

He literally said that you can see other players and vice versa. Straight up.

[–]TheDreylingKing 63ポイント64ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love the game and am not disappointrd or trolling but the answer is obvious: sales.

[–]dekacube 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

Because people believe what they want to believe, and hype sells games. The way he phrases it in the comments we've seen from him either 100% confirm multiplayer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0uYnwqlslU&feature=youtu.be&t=58 or they strongly imply that it is possible just improbable that you'll ever see anyone.

[–]swazzyswess 325ポイント326ポイント  (188子コメント)

Some people on GAF are now saying "they could see each other if the servers weren't overloaded," lol. He seriously needs to put these rumors to rest ASAP.

[–]ColeSloth 80ポイント81ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well he said not too long ago that you would be able to see each other, in an interview, so this is pretty disappointing. Especially knowing you will never dogfight another player in the sky.

[–]Didicito 233ポイント234ポイント  (88子コメント)

I guess that's because the solar cycles of every star system is not synchronized across all instances of the game running.

Which makes sense.

So players are not visible to each other, thats ok. This is an answer to a BIG question I had. The official answer was "the universe is so big you won't ever get to see your friends", which is pretty much non-sense considering how hard players can work to make anything possible.

[–]Ertosi 142ポイント143ポイント  (47子コメント)

And considering multiple pairs of peeps have pulled it off so soon into Day 1, its not as hard as HG thought it'd be.

[–]Draconilian 100ポイント101ポイント  (16子コメント)

wasn't there an interview where it was said the only way to know what your player looks like is to run into another player?

[–]ThirdTurnip 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

He said that in the Colbert interview but also that all you see is the suit, not what's in it.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/12/10/stop-thinking-of-no-man-s-sky-as-a-multiplayer-game.aspx

And I think we will probably surprise people in terms of how they look. You effectively see their suit actually. So you won't know what's inside. It still won't answer for people whether you are an alien or whether you are a human or what you look like.

[–]IE33 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, he said that.

Here is all he said about multiplayer compiled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A

[–]Avestier 55ポイント56ポイント  (6子コメント)

It would be ok except in at least one of the article's I read they already said it was possible, and that you would be able to see other player's physical bodies and ships. That's false advertising. Perhaps they changed their mind down the road, but they also mentioned how there would be lobbies where if you are near someone you can basically enter their private server. They've referenced this kind of multiplayer multiple times, to release the game without ever correcting that fact is a really, really bad thing to do.

[–]TalonWren 41ポイント42ポイント  (5子コメント)

This. It is blatant false advertising using the notion that there was a "slight chance" it could be done. This "next to 0" bullshit is that.. its just bullshit. Either it is.. or it inst. There is no middle ground in this.

[–]Seeders 53ポイント54ポイント  (6子コメント)

which is pretty much non-sense considering how hard players can work to make anything possible.

And the fact that everyone is trying to reach the same point: the center.

OMG ITS SO BIG THO!

Dude you have a warp drive.

[–]ItsNotHectic 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

"the universe is so big you won't ever get to see your friends"

Because the budget ran out making the universe not because of the odds of finding someone.

[–]Almostlongenough 57ポイント58ポイント  (67子コメント)

My best guess it's a feature the they decided to not implement till later. I guess they didn't expect people to find eachother so soon.

[–]Goose306 66ポイント67ポイント  (47子コメント)

I makes sense players can't see each other.

Mind you, this is a game you can actually pause. Any truly online game where there were other, interactive, live characters you can't pause it for obvious reasons.

This different day/night cycles, not being able to see the other player, etc.

I don't think this is entirely surprising? I figured it would work in this way once I saw the game could be paused.

It could be reworked where whenever you are connected to the servers (or and opt-in system) it is "live" with a global time sync. However, that seems difficult with a procedural base like this, and it seems a lot would probably be necessary to implement some sort of process for this.

[–]Anal_Zealot 92ポイント93ポイント  (24子コメント)

I mean they said you could technically see each other, so no it doesn't make sense that you can't see each other.

[–]ks-bitflipper 21ポイント22ポイント  (12子コメント)

Unlikely. The amount of data that'd have to be synced to record terrain deformations created by millions of players across 18 quintillion planets makes multiplayer very infeasible. For this reason alone, I can't imagine multiplayer will ever exist in NMS.

[–]Unholysalmon 184ポイント185ポイント  (0子コメント)

No man's lie

[–]TheHeroicOnion 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

Sean straight up said that if players could find each other, they could see each other. He's being a Todd Howard.

[–]krazydog45 39ポイント40ポイント  (16子コメント)

I never thought that multiplayer could actually be existent in this game simply because you as a player are allowed to pause the game. And if it were real time multiplayer then pauses would not be possible

[–]EpicKid2212 89ポイント90ポイント  (10子コメント)

There's a video of Sean talking about how if you encounter players it puts them into your lobby of some sort. If multiplayer is suddenly not a thing then he flat out lied to us.

[–]krazydog45 14ポイント15ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yea i totally agree with you, somewhere along the lines someone lied. But the second i realized i was able to pause in the game last night, my hopes for seeing another player diminished quite a bit. Again, that doesnt make it okay that we were lied to

EDIT: Allegedly one of the players didnt have PS+, there is still hope

[–]leidend22 209ポイント210ポイント  (48子コメント)

I was downvoted heavily for saying there'd be no multiplayer. It was obvious just by the way pausing works.

[–]obippo 69ポイント70ポイント  (31子コメント)

Yeah I expected the same since day one, there was no reason at all for the devs to be vague about the matter if the game actually had multiplayer.

[–]Cloudless_Sky 47ポイント48ポイント  (8子コメント)

At the same time, it would have been nice if they'd said flat-out that you won't be able to see anyone ever.

[–]1jl 60ポイント61ポイント  (5子コメント)

They did answer that question, except they said flat out that you could play with your friends and grief other players, which appears to be false at this time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0uYnwqlslU&t=59s

[–]iwascuddles 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

"you can see other players and they can see you"

Shit.

[–]aiyuboo 23ポイント24ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why were they vague about it at all from the start? A lot of their answers weren't even vague, they heavily implied multiple times that in the small chance you found another player that you'd be able to see and even fight them.

[–]filthyridh 80ポイント81ポイント  (0子コメント)

of course there was a reason. it's called pre-orders.

[–]Dai10zin 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can pause in Watch Dogs, but it's still "multiplayer" -- when a player invades a game of Watch Dogs, it can no longer be paused; used that aspect on several occasions to check if I was being invaded or not.

[–]HotSavior 53ポイント54ポイント  (12子コメント)

Update:

One of the streamers didn't have PS+

He's getting it now so they can find out if that is a reason.

EDIT: he got it and nothing has changed.

GG boys at least this myth can be put to rest.

[–]tidesss 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is bs :/ sean said outright that we can see each other and that would be the only way we can see what our PC looks like

[–]ebuchholz 513ポイント514ポイント  (64子コメント)

So uh... there just is NO multiplayer at all.

[–]jenesuispasbavard 221ポイント222ポイント  (34子コメント)

Looks like the only "multiplayer" thing about this is syncing people's named discoveries between players.

[–]ryot820 39ポイント40ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this is true it's pretty crazy to think the only reason this game is online is essentially for a social media function that serves no purpose other than to tag planets with stupid names. Is there anymore depth to the online at this point?

Also how are people finding each other within hours of launch?

[–]shaneo632 247ポイント248ポイント  (21子コメント)

That's pretty disappointing given that Sean said you could theoretically do this, though the fact you can actually pause the game kinda made it clear.

[–]Zzuit 99ポイント100ポイント  (8子コメント)

What's the point of even making servers for it then? So you can see someone named a planet "bouncydongxx1"? Yeah that's what I want to see.

[–]Oyadama 45ポイント46ポイント  (2子コメント)

Cactus is streaming side by side with Psytokat

https://www.twitch.tv/thesadcactus https://www.twitch.tv/psytokat

They are in the same place, have walked exactly in the same spots and have yet to see anything.

Cactus is going to try to relog possibly multiple times to see if it changes the instance, as previously they could not see each other beyond seeing that Psy discovered the planet.

[–]Ziros22 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, but are they in the same Playstation lobby as Sean said reapedadtly must happen.

[–]AwfulPunBasedName 235ポイント236ポイント  (1子コメント)

No Man's Sky: because you won't ever meet anyone else.

[–]GhoustOfAMan 27ポイント28ポイント  (0子コメント)

Procedurally.Generated.Lies

[–]ThirstyChello 581ポイント582ポイント  (71子コメント)

[–]pillowpants101 118ポイント119ポイント  (7子コメント)

This should be on the front page, this and the OPs original post.

[–]akjax 36ポイント37ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah that big shit eating grin he has when he says that...

"Lol these nubs don't realize I'm only talking about NPCs."

Seriously though, throughout the entire dev period he was always dodging so many questions. I mean, even in that video, the guy is asking "Do you ever get a good look at your character?" and his answer is "You can see other players and they can see you."

What kinda fucking answer is that? It sounds like "No. There's not a single reflective surface in the entire game but I don't want to say that so I'll make up some BS."

[–]TheErrMasterKush 311ポイント312ポイント  (14子コメント)

"The chances are slim to none." Excuse not to code it into the game.

[–]EpicKid2212 146ポイント147ポイント  (9子コメント)

He's explained how multiplayer works and has, in an interview, said "You can see other characters and they can see you."

[–]_Rootshell_ 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Slim to none."

This happens within hours of release

Seems legit.

[–]timothydog76 346ポイント347ポイント  (8子コメント)

Multiplayer does exist! One of you is clearly in the "Upside Down" though.

[–]Cloudless_Sky 266ポイント267ポイント  (49子コメント)

Forget not being able to see each other. I'm more interested in the fact that they got to the same spot already. How many planets did they say this game had? How have we heard reports from people being in the same spot already? Millions and millions of planet-sized planets. If that's true then it's mind blowing they're in the same spot, no?

[–]Ramsus32 108ポイント109ポイント  (9子コメント)

Apparently their spawn planets were only about 4 systems apart. Crazy luck.

[–]the_dummy 88ポイント89ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not luck. Ever heard of the birthday problem? Bigger numbers, but this situation is still the same.

Edit: o_o gold. Well, this is a first (I think). Thanks :D

[–]Sticky_Teflon 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly! I always want to correct people's maths and reference this whenever people talk about how unlikely it is for two players to meet. Literally everyone in this sub gets it wrong but I can never be bothered pointing it out. Bravo to you!

[–]kepler16-b 177ポイント178ポイント  (11子コメント)

Maybe they lied about the number of planets. I mean, noone would ever be able to verify it.

[–]Manolo_Ribera 82ポイント83ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't think they have to. People have pointed out for months (at least) that the number of planets was the number of planets in the universe but we all start in the same galaxy. So it was always public knowledge that the chance to meet someone actually depended on how many planets a galaxy has - a number that was never actually revealed (and even seemed to be changed with the last patch).

[–]Cryptizard 117ポイント118ポイント  (14子コメント)

There is an interesting phenomenon in mathematics called the birthday paradox which roughly says that if you randomly pick from a bunch of possible items, the number of times you have to pick before you get the same item twice is much lower than you would think. I am going to do the math, but you can confidently say that only a few million planets need to be visited before people start to visit the same ones.

There are supposedly 18 quintillion planets in NMS, which is roughly 264 (I use base 2 because I am a computers scientist, and it makes doing the numbers easier).

Now, the game starts you out in specific regions that are far away from the core because they don't want anyone to get to the core really fast, right? If starting points were randomly spread over the galaxy then you could expect that a large number of people would start pretty close to the center, which they don't want. Lets say they want people to be at least 1000 systems away from the core (probably more, but lets go with this), and that each system has 10 planets (also a rough number but we're talking generalities here). That means that there are only about 250 starting systems.

The birthday paradox says that you only need to choose about 225 things out of 250 before you start to have collisions. That is 33 million. So with those (admittedly pulled out of my ass) numbers, after ALL players have explored 33 million systems, which would happen relatively quickly given the number of players there are, then we would expect two of them to meet, or be close enough that they could engineer a meeting.

Another way to think about this is, individually it is very rare to win the lottery. Pretty much everyone will never win the lottery in their lifetimes. But, every month hundreds of people win the lottery. There are just that many people involved that despite the event itself being very rare, it happens many times over the population. Same thing here, people were bound to meet, even relatively quickly after release, but that does not mean that the universe is small. Most people will never meet another person.

[–]JustinATaylor 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

Shouldn't be using the 18 quintillion planet number.

It's 18 quintillion in the entire universe, (Atleast I believe).

We all start out in the same galaxy, so there is a hell of alot less planets.

Estimated 100billion planets in our galaxy. Since all players start out on the edge of the galaxy we can cut that number now to maybe 10-15million planets.

So you got roughly a million people on the outer edges of a galaxy starting in a handful of millions of solar systems.

The very beginning of the game is ripe for running into other players. These two were only about 4 solar systems apart.

Even if it was further, you can open your galaxy map and scan around until you eventually find a solar system that has been discovered by another player. Then you can just message that player to go back to that system to meet up.

[–]Gogsi123 53ポイント54ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's real guys they're both streaming from the same place but can't see eachother. Trying to relog now.

Multistream http://multitwitch.tv/psytokat/thesadcactus

[–]ayysmiley 216ポイント217ポイント  (2子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/XX9PiIJ.png

100% in the same spot with it not working.

"The chances of two players ever crossing paths in a universe this large is pretty much zero."

Pretty much zero because they didn't code it. NICE MEME

[–]swazzyswess 58ポイント59ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol, yep. Even articles today are like "It's basically a SP game because the universe is so big you'll never run into anybody!" It's annoying and it needs to stop.

[–]Bronopoly 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

I never understood the "chances of people meeting up being close to zero" thing. The game sends everyone towards the center (yes I know many people might never make their way to the center) which means that the universe significantly shrinks as people move closer and closer to that point. Even if you pretended that warp drives and player determination don't exist, the chances that people would end up on top of each other is pretty high if they do, in fact, get sent to the same spot.

[–]velvetelvis6294 766ポイント767ポイント  (114子コメント)

Devs lied.

[–]lukeLOL 273ポイント274ポイント  (41子コメント)

Peter Molyneux flashbacks

[–]Nicodemus_The_Rat 36ポイント37ポイント  (38子コメント)

What is the story with him? I keep hearing people reference him....

[–]zpzpzpzpz 116ポイント117ポイント  (21子コメント)

made a game with only one winner, promised the winner like 10 grand or a percentage of his next game's profits, never delivered

[–]RatofDeath 193ポイント194ポイント  (17子コメント)

I think that's the smallest of his broken promises, haha. Peter Molyneux exaggerated (or straight out lied) for pretty much every single game he was involved in.

To be fair, I don't think he ever did it out of malice and rather because he was way too excited and hyped over his own creations, but still.

Neither Fable nor Black and White (I enjoyed both, especially Fable!) were anything even remotely to what he promised. And that's only scratching the surface.

[–]GroovyGrove 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, yeah... Fable was a great game, but it was not like the choice-based adventure that was advertised. I was too young to realize the controversy at the time. I was just annoyed, then went back to shooting werewolves and such.

[–]RatofDeath 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha yeh, same. I enjoyed Fable a lot, but I was part of the hype and the insane announcements, and was quite disappointed that most of it didn't turn out to be true.

But I still had a lot of fun and was also rather young, so I didn't really care.

Exact same story for Black and White!

[–]Furinkazan616 42ポイント43ポイント  (2子コメント)

My favorite story about Molyneux is about The Movies. He went on stage in front of a bunch of journalists and said you could make sequels to your movies. He comes off stage, turns to his team, and says "Yeah, we need to make sequels possible". Until then, none of his team had ever heard of that feature being in the game.

Then there's the infamous Fable acorn thing. OH! and Milo and Kate, lololol.

[–]InkBlotPest 26ポイント27ポイント  (6子コメント)

Watching him talk about games shows he really loves what he does. I feel bad because he gets hyped about things the same way I do and I can relate to running my mouth about things that never really pan out

[–]1postaccount322 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

"You can plant an acorn, and watch it grow into an Oak tree!"

[–]ArtixViper 33ポイント34ポイント  (7子コメント)

Big name dev that is basically famous for blowing up his own ideas and over-promising whats gonna be in a game, then failing to deliver on even half of what was said to be in the game.

At first glance it sounds like over-entitlement from gamers but the problem is he did this with literally every game he made.

[–]MeekAndUninteresting 38ポイント39ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not sure how it's entitlement to expect people not to lie to you even at first glance but alright.

[–]SamLikesJam 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

People tend to use entitled for everything when it comes to games, as if expecting what you pay for to be accurate to what the developer said is entitled.

[–]JustMy2Centences 81ポイント82ポイント  (21子コメント)

PC pre-order canceled.

Edit: I'm karma whoring guys, sorry. I didn't cancel my pre-order. Multiplayer wasn't a draw for me though it would be an appealing option in a future update. I agree there is either misleading information from the devs prior to launch or something isn't working as intended.

[–]indeepth0ught 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is the correct way to get them to listen.

[–]TalonWren 54ポイント55ポイント  (16子コメント)

Same here. Pre orded cancelled and just got my refund. Thank you for delaying the pc release and thank you to these streamers.

[–]a_wright 129ポイント130ポイント  (7子コメント)

OK, they were definitely in the same location twice, once on the space station and once on the planet at the same settlement. I saw both streams linked up.

It's officially impossible to see another player while playing.

[–]ostrich160 60ポイント61ポイント  (7子コメント)

It would be a real shame if they lied, especially since there was no need to. I think I speak for everyone when I say I'd rather they just say its NOT multiplayer then try to cover it up by saying theres no chance you'll see anyone

[–]GreenDay987 22ポイント23ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can we get a screenshot of the star system showing he discovered it?

If this is true... holy shit.

[–]Kommissar_K 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, that's how you would know who to even contact. And fortunately, as the game is so new, if you get on the same "track" as another player, its not so far out of the way to backtrack and meet up at a designated system.

[–]Nzash 167ポイント168ポイント  (22子コメント)

Sean straight up lied, then. He 100% said you could meet other people and see them, however unlikely it is.

[–]DemoEvolved 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

I definitely remember he said there was a remote chance you could run into another player.

[–]bludgeonerV 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much every single NMS video I watched leading up to release said this too, some of them showed footage or interviews with Sean about this exact thing.

[–]Kairah 206ポイント207ポイント  (31子コメント)

Prepare for disappointment.

[–]Krypt0night 234ポイント235ポイント  (9子コメント)

To be honest, this is a huge disappointment. I was completely fine with the fact that I'd likely not see anyone else, but that would just make it more amazing if it did happen. Now it looks like that experience will 100% not happen when Sean said it could, just unlikely. Pretty bummed about this.

[–]selsewon 69ポイント70ポイント  (1子コメント)

No Man's Catfish

[–]Spirst 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every bait procedural.

[–]R4lfXD 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm actually pretty disappointed. The rare possibility of multiplayer was what got me interested a while ago, since thats how I play minecraft (when I play it, which is rarely). I find populated server, go FAAAR away, and do my stuff. But with only single thats highlighting that I cannot get enough hours into Skyrim or Witcher 3 cause there is just not much excitement...

[–]JayTheSheep 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

They just met up at the same space station, still invisible to each other. So sad.

[–]Struggleborn 35ポイント36ポイント  (9子コメント)

I already had the feel MP was fake, there is no chat, no voice-com, how?...

[–]EpicKid2212 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's a video of Sean talking about how if you encounter players it puts them into your lobby of some sort. He has literally told us that we can see other players and they can see us. He's explained how multiplayer works. If multiplayer is suddenly not a thing then he flat out lied to us.

[–]gibberishdigits 229ポイント230ポイント  (14子コメント)

Well, Sean lied to us!!! (seriously though)

[–]Deroni76 197ポイント198ポイント  (20子コメント)

I think Sean was just talking some made-up shit to hype the game up because he didn't think any two players would ever meet. I can only imagine him now reading this thread, sipping his coffee, and quietly saying "...fuck".

[–]CStock77 70ポイント71ポイント  (1子コメント)

I imagine with how sleep-deprived they all are at that office, they're laughing hysterically that something with infinitesimally small odds of occurring, in fact, occurred within a day. Laughing hysterically while trying to say "we just got so fucked", but they're laughing too hard to get it out of their mouths.

[–]Deroni76 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can totally see this happening right now.

[–]ratheadx 28ポイント29ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not really, I think he knew this would happen. Because no matter the circumstance, even if his reputation is doomed forever, he managed to sell so many copies of the most overhyped game of the year. He'll be able to live comfortably for the rest of his life, sustained by the initial reddit circlejerk and the fruits of his lies. Granted, it still may be a great game, some people may still genuinely enjoy it for what it is and that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that its not what was expected of.

[–]kaiser1979uk 27ポイント28ポイント  (2子コメント)

The two guys are trying. I'm Not sure why people feel they need to call them idiots. No manners and I can only hope that's not how you speak to people in everyday life

[–]SenorPew 31ポイント32ポイント  (0子コメント)

get some popcorn ready boys this is gonna be a shit show

[–]warzonevi 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

A quote from an interview with Sean Murray:

What we can do is, like many games that you have at the moment, where you are flying around with an open lobby. People are coming into that lobby and leaving it – like if you play Watch Dogs or something like that. Effectively, we have players joining your discrete space. ( Source: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2014/12/10/stop-thinking-of-no-man-s-sky-as-a-multiplayer-game.aspx (updated source) )

If there is in fact no lobby system and no form of multiplayer at all, then in fact he has lied and is a pure marketing scam. Whilst I am a supporter of this game and can't wait to play it, to have one possible feature of the game stripped after he stated it would be in would be devastating. I am also a PC gamer so perhaps it is a PC only function, but perhaps I am grasping at straws

[–]flangepaddle 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

The answer to question 4 is the most damning - "Yes, you may meet other players"

[–]leethobbit 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

See, they never expected people to actually find each other so they figured they could just say there is multiplayer and not actually act on it. Because we weren't going to run into each anyways, right?

[–]HILLARY_4_TREASON 443ポイント444ポイント  (38子コメント)

Update: We are 100% In the same station same spot and everything and we cannot see eachother.

SEAN MURRAY LIED.

[–]SaucyWiggles 349ポイント350ポイント  (19子コメント)

Here comes the stream of 'who cares multiplayer isn't what i bought for anyway :)' posts

[–]Hudston 200ポイント201ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well, that is my opinion, but it's still really shitty if they've been saying "it's there, just really unlikely" when what they mean is "it's not there but it's so unlikely that we didn't think you'd notice."

[–]Gunstar_Green 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

Same here. I don't really want any multi-player but it was a feature that was talked about several times and we're owed an explanation.

[–]Casartelli 18ポイント19ポイント  (9子コメント)

If one digs a cave in the planet. Can the other see the cave?

[–]HILLARY_4_TREASON 52ポイント53ポイント  (8子コメント)

No.

You won't really be able to leave a physical mark on the game, however, at least not on the universe at large. As you travel to new planets, they are generated around you, and when you leave them, they degenerate. So, if you use a mining tool to blast a section of a planet, perhaps to draw a giant penis on the ground (I will just assume that is what you will do), once you leave that planet and fly away, the game will once again disassemble the planet behind you.

These types of changes (digging caves, drawing dongs) will not be visible to other players if they happen to visit that planet.

http://www.pcgamer.com/no-mans-sky-10-burning-questions-answered/

[–]SMarioMan 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quote from Sean Murray in the article:

“Changes the player makes are saved locally, so if you start destructing the terrain, that’s saved on your own machine. And if you try and make -- what we would consider -- really significant [changes], some of those [changes] are stored on the server, along with the discoveries that you make. But in general, a lot of what you’re doing is considered insignificant. If you kill a creature, we scratch that, we save that that’s happened, but we don’t feel the need to like, kill that creature for everybody.”

[–]Interstellar619 173ポイント174ポイント  (23子コメント)

/u/seanymurray

Don't mean to be rude or act entitled, but could you explain this? The meeting up thing has been very ambiguous as to whether you could or not

[–]someguy50 254ポイント255ポイント  (19子コメント)

Be rude or act entitled? You paid $60, you are entitled to what the developer said was in the game

[–]GobBluth19 108ポイント109ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's really upsetting how much "entitled" has become an attack when we're talking about products

[–]someguy50 30ポイント31ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's disgusting that some people are apologizing or tip toeing when asking about this.

/u/seanymurray - did you mislead possible customers about this? Did this feature not make the cut, and you failed to let potential customers know about the change?

[–]arbeh 34ポイント35ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's an easy way for Devs and shills to disregard criticism.

[–]Eat_The_Muffin 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

You paid for early access, you can't expect this game to actually exist

[–]phoenixhawk13 20ポイント21ポイント  (4子コメント)

I knew coming into this that it wasn't a multiplayer experience, but for some reason this just totally took the wind out of my sails. Like others have said, it was the SLIM POSSIBILITY of running into other players, or the down-the-road trade hubs I expected to see bubble up that was super enticing to me. Why have such a huge sandbox if I'm all alone in it?

Also, misleading marketing really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. :(

[–]MetalOcelot 57ポイント58ポイント  (2子コメント)

You know you have to kill him right?

[–]hroo772 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The guy just left the spacestation, so I guess the meetup won't be happening????

EDIT: the twitch chat is saying that multiplayer doesn't actually exist, so he couldn't see the other person at the station

[–]TheGalacticCactus[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

About to stream again! Get ready my username is TheSadCactus

[–]Kickimanjaro 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is like a tragic love story. :'(

[–]FatCr1t 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really seems like Sean and HG do fucking care. And I want it to be a success... But really the content is lacking, the planets are closer to the same than I expected (don't Google it or you'll spoil everything from you because there's not a lot to spoil), oh and the whole multi-player controversy. Kinda makes me feel bad. Can't tell if we've been sharked or an indie group has worked their ass off and poured their heart and soul into a game that is getting torn apart by the community.

[–]Golgot100 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're both with Mathematician Entity Muksha, seem to be in the same location.

[–]mr_negi 17ポイント18ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm more shocked by the fact that we were told that the chances are almost zero that 2 people would ever meet in the game and literally on the day it comes out people already meet. Did they even bother to put it in the game?

[–]ForeverANinja 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

Holy shit that was fast. Guess we were wrong boys.

[–]ArcadianDelSol 44ポイント45ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Can you build space stations?"

"....uhhhhhhhhhh, no?"

"Can you see yourself?"

"giggle uhhhhh others can....see you? and ....youcansee uhhhh them?"

Literally every answer he gave in that video was a question, as if he wan't actually sure what features were even in the game. He was squirming and ducking around every question in the entire interview. It was actually uncomfortable to watch.

Pro-tip: If you are ever asked to do an interview on a video game, be sure to know what features are actually in it so when you are asked, all your answers don't sound like "uhhhhhhh giggle maaaaaaaaybe? shrug"

[–]swazzyswess 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

"uhhhhhhh giggle maaaaaaaaybe? shrug"

lollll

[–]indelibleinfatuation 88ポイント89ポイント  (12子コメント)

This is honestly enough for me to not buy the game. Part of the major intrigue for me was this ability to be able to interact with players on a small and mysterious scale. Not being able to do it at all should've been made clear. Like don't even talk about multiplayer in the first place because it doesn't exist.

I was super hyped; planned on buying a bag and getting completely ripped when starting on my first planet. Oh well, saves me money I guess.

[–]IPlayEveryGame 87ポイント88ポイント  (15子コメント)

As a shitposter viewing from a distance, I'm having quite a fun time reading this thread of butthurt.

But the humanitarian (and game developer) inside me wants to give you some hope. There are many reasons why they might not be seeing each other:

  • The game was designed around preventing to meet up and instead only allows seeing each other through random encounters, i.e. explicit meeting up with other people is not just not what the game is about, it's actively prohibited, in order to maybe give players a "holy fuck it works after all!" when they finally roam around on a planet after dozens of hours of playing, and then seeing this NPC walk around and after a while realizing what... this isn't an NPC! To this extent when players meet up they might do stuff like "only connect them every 100th time you actually run across players!"
  • They mentioned a "lobby around the player" system in the past. That kind of stuff still means the server will have to compute things. For example, it has to know the location of every player and how many players are around it in order to connect them properly. That is a k-nearest-neighbours problem and quite computationally heavy. That is still quite a massive load with how many players are flooding the servers right now. So there may either be optimizations in the code that just prevent players from finding each other that easily right now (i.e. they might only randomly check these 'k nearest neighbours' for a limited number of players every second in order to prevent the servers from burning up)
  • There might be bugs! Of all things in a game, networking code is probably the hardest to test and the most bug-prone for many reasons. So it might just not work because of faulty code.

[–]wtfpwndd 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

This. I'm guessing it's randomized drop in just like Journey. This thread is a little over dramatic although I agree Sean should explain it accusing him of lying is a bit premature

[–]jcklch 17ポイント18ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if warping through space augments time and they are playing in totally different decades or centuries apart from each other

[–]2dMax 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

You might have just hired yourself as their new PR officer.

[–]HelpMeImGonnaDieAyy 11ポイント12ポイント  (13子コメント)

So much for "its near impossible to meet another player."

[–]julyan_ 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

Meh, Im gonna wait for Sean's response about that first before I start whining. I dont want to badmouth him and accuse of lying if this is just a bug or whatever.

[–]zewm426 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is what people don't understand. They jump to conclusions without reason.

[–]downvoteconfirmed 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Holy shit, the mods in Psytokat's chat went INSANE... banning everyone left and right. Dude, unmod them since they've clearly never modded a channel before.

[–]robertmanbobreal 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

According to twitter, the No Man's Sky servers are fucked.