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[–]mrsamsa 42ポイント43ポイント  (17子コメント)

Gad Saad is legitimately nuts. There was an issue a few weeks ago where a journalist wrote a (fluff) piece that basically just said that it was cool for a Barbie ad to include a boy playing with the dolls.

He tweeted her saying that science disproves her and that she should watch his 20 minute video on why SJWs are wrong about toy preferences. She didn't know who he was and blew him off with a "k", and he got super angry, spamming her with messages about his qualifications and calling censorship when she blocked him.

Your post is a good breakdown of his nonsense though. The vervet study is particularly ridiculous to use as evidence given that it shows the exact opposite effect as what we see in humans - as the male monkeys showed no preference but the females showed a preference for feminine toys, but in humans girls show no preference and boys show a preference away from feminine toys (rather than toward masculine ones). And, interestingly, the gender difference in humans doesn't develop until around 2-3 years (around the same time that they develop concepts of gender).

[–]SnugglerificThe archaeology of ignorance[S] 22ポイント23ポイント  (8子コメント)

Unsurprised that he's also an edgelord, but whining about SJWs, really? What is he, a reddit troll? Are we going to be hearing about cultural Marxism next?

[–]mrsamsa 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if he's on reddit ranting about how evil feminism is or something.

[–]firedropsReddit's totem is the primal horde 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

He's currently trying to pick a fight with Bill Nye over twitter. He really sounds like a 15 year old reddit troll. Can you imagine having this guy as a professor?

[–][deleted] 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

I am glad I weren't the only person who came across Saad and thought that he was a troll. Just a quick glance over his twitter feed/youtube video and I am both horrified and amused. I don't know if he has 44 minions like Nero to do his research work but he must have lots of free time to troll around. He is just sending massive mentions to high profile people he disagrees with (including the Justin Trudeau), only to be patted on his back on his bravery and intelligence by a bunch of trolls who call him The Gadfather. [laugh]

I feel nauseous imagining myself being his student, hearing this lecture, trying to brainwash me with his "Saad Truth"

[–]firedropsReddit's totem is the primal horde 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I really feel bad for the dean of his school. He probably has tenure but you know he must get complaints all the time. Can you imagine the shit show that is his grading style? The dean probably handles grading complaints for him every single semester. You'd just be hoping for him to finally cross that line so you could sack him

And you know he's a total douche to his colleagues at those academic functions. Smug and condescending at conferences where people dare to question him.

As I near the end of grad school and look at the life of a professor I keep thinking students have it better off. At least they only deal with them for a semester. I could get stuck with these assholes for years....

Amazing username btw!

[–]mrxulski 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gad Saad was last at University of California Irvine, but now he's in Canada. He basically got kicked out for being an asshole. Of course, he blamed it on pc culture and cried censorship. He's one of the many right wingers that are getting famous just by being contrarian. He's not even right, but it seems counter cultural to people who want to be rebelious. More like chanterculture. He gets along fine with Gavin McGinnis, so you know he's a jerk.

[–]Teleman_Frank 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The hilarious thing about "The Gadfather" is that he came up with the nickname himself

[–]OldGearJammer 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

"The Justin Trudeau"? Don't see why you'd put him on a pedestal. He's not a god. I've met him a few times, nice guy but he arguably wouldn't be where he is without his last name.

[–][deleted] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't put Trudeau on a pedestal. It is just hilarious that Saad is trying to troll the prime minister of Canada by repeatedly shouting mentions at him and telling how wrong he is so that he can get pats on his shoulder by his "Gadfellas"(yup, he coined that one too) about how awesome his takedown on Trudeau was. Just so funny.

Echoing a comment above, I wonder if his Dean knows that this is what he is spending most of his time doing, to earn his six figure salary.

[–]AdamscageTRUE science conforms to my beliefs. 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've had links to his work thrown my way before. The worst was having this article thrown into my face. Not only was it a questionable interpretation of the research referenced in it, but the author was so arrogant and aggressive about it that I couldn't help but wonder who set them off.

And that's when I realized.

The author is Gad Saad.

[–]mrsamsa 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus that's a bad article and deserves it's own BSS thread... but it must all be true because it was published in the prestigious journal Psychology Today.

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[–]twittgensteinHans Yo-ass 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow that is legitimately deranged.

[–]fourcrewCAPITALISM AND TESTOSTERONE cures SJW-Disease 8ポイント9ポイント  (3子コメント)

he follows Sargon of Akkad

Like a moth to the dilettante flame.

[–]mrsamsa 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep, I learnt of both of them around the same time and the world became a slightly worse place for me.

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    [–]mrsamsa 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Eh, I've never really found many intolerable people on the SJW side. They're usually better supported by science or academia but even when they're not, at the very least they're trying to make the world better even if they're wrong on some particular issue. I can't really see anyone comparable to the three people mentioned above anyway.

    [–]YabukiJoe 24ポイント25ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Genetic determinism is a dangerous ideal to hold. Even just from my animal behavior class, I can see the craters in this guy's drek.

    [–]PopularWarfareMarcuse was a Totaltarian 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's interesting to see the same idea appear over and over again with a different rationalization each time.

    [–]firedropsReddit's totem is the primal horde 14ポイント15ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Wow that sounds bad. The anthropomorphism of animals and in turn the application of non-human animals to humans is so bizarre, poorly done, and choices are often arbitrary with regards to actual data/applicability. Sounds like someone trying to make an axiomatic argument sound academic

    [–]SnugglerificThe archaeology of ignorance[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I think it can be done well, but there are a lot of cases of anthropomorphism -- the ape language studies seem to be particularly prone to this. Michael Tomasello's work, for one, is much more rigorous and interesting. It should be used, though, IMO, as one line of convergent evidence and not as a superficial analogy. Saad doesn't even get into neuroscience, but there is also some dubious research there trying to compare modern human brains to those of extinct hominins.

    [–]firedropsReddit's totem is the primal horde 12ポイント13ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Oh sure there are people in my department who look at primate reproduction, for example, in order to understand larger patterns for primates which might apply to humans. And certainly larger well sampled studies looking at say mammalian parenting behaviors or something can be useful. Even just as a baseline from which you can evaluate outliers.

    But too often it is something like, "this arbitrarily chosen bird example proves human females are dishonest with their mates!"

    [–]SnugglerificThe archaeology of ignorance[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It's also funny when you look at the conclusion in the vervet study that they admit that vervets would have no concept of these toys, but then proceed to pull stuff out of their asses anyway:

    In humans, sex-typed toy preferences may be viewed as evidence of sex-typed object categories that are acquired through learning (Bandura, 1977, Fagot & Hagan, 1991, Langlois & Downs, 1990) and cognitive development (Maccoby, 1988, Martin, 1999, Martin et al., 1990). Although nonhuman primates can learn to categorize novel stimuli (Freedman, Riesenhuber, Poggio, & Miller, 2001), the monkeys we observed had no learning history with the individual toys used in this study. Additionally, there is no evidence that vervets have an understanding of their gender. Yet, even if they do have a gender identity, they would not have had the experiences with objects (e.g., police car, cooking pot, book) that might be necessary to form categories based on associations between toys and gender in humans. Sex differences in toy preferences in a species lacking relevant social and cognitive experiences suggest, therefore, that other determinants of sex-typed object categorization exist.

    [–]firedropsReddit's totem is the primal horde 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is what drives me so nuts about the toy preference studies. Just shitty experiment design and analysis is crap even for humans. I can't believe they even acknowledge it and then try to make their findings meaningful. wtf

    [–]SnugglerificThe archaeology of ignorance[S] 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oh yeah, birds are a pretty dumb analogue to choose. The examples chosen are arbitrary in order to fit the narrative. But hey, any supposed sexual selection in humans is automatically just like a peacock's tail. I think I've seen that same analogy in every one of these theories.

    [–]LaoTzusGymShoes 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

    the Concordia University Research Chair in Evolutionary Behavioral Sciences and Darwinian Consumption

    This seems like a really, really specific chair.

    [–]Rivolver 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This seems like a really, really specific chair.

    I go to Concordia. Sometimes, man...I just don't even know anymore.

    [–]thechiefmaster 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Thanks for the post and brilliant take-down. Darwinian Consumption... wtf???

    [–]SnugglerificThe archaeology of ignorance[S] 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have no idea why it is a thing either besides the fact that it fits into the current trendiness of attaching evolutionary explanations to everything. The only thing that seems to be close to valid that Saad brings up is the predilection for calorie-rich foods. But biologists got that idea long before this thing strange thing called Darwinian consumption was invented.

    [–]twittgensteinHans Yo-ass 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I salute the thoroughness of your debunking of this dude. He sounds totally dreadful.

    [–]mrxulski 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Seriously, any academic with a phd has no business whining about sjws and censorship when someone blocks him. He's playing the victim card. Not professional. I read his "Evolutionary Bases of Consumption", well part of it, in college. It was terrible. He cited very few studies, and it was mostly mental maturation that didn't even discuss reality much. Mostly garbage theory. He said that socialization is to the social sciences what ether was to the natural sciences. That is, it's a made up concept used in places where people were ignorant of EP. I'd like to ask him if people just genetically start speaking English or whatever native language, or if he was wrong and language was acquired as a result of socialization. He reminds me of Pangloss in Voltaire's Candide who said that God gave us noses so we could hold our eye glasses on our faces.

    [–]Goatf00t 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If it makes you feel any better, check out what "gad" means in Russian...

    [–]Reed_4983 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Out of curiosity, how do these two studies you linked actually disprove Gad's claims about waist to hip ratio? I read the abstracts, and it seems both studies conclude that the male preference of WHR differs slightly, because geographic variaton means slightly different requirements, but still, men across all regions use it to rate women's attractiveness. This is just what Saad claims here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/homo-consumericus/201006/congenitally-blind-men-prefer-the-female-hourglass-figure-literally

    So, how does this actually debunk WHR?

    [–]SnugglerificThe archaeology of ignorance[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The claim is not merely that WHR is used, but that the "optimal" ratio is .72, and then environmental factors cause this to vary. Why this measurement should be chosen as the baseline is pretty arbitrary. In fact, though, as originally formulated, WHR was supposed to be completely culturally invariant, which is clearly not the case. Swame and Tovee also note that BMI is plays a far greater role than WHR in any case. Here you can find an overview in the section beginning on the bottom of p. 7.

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    [–]firedropsReddit's totem is the primal horde 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

    We're getting rekt by the absolute lack of pro-Gad arguments? I don't think they know what rekt means.

    [–]TheColorOfStupid 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No they're saying Gad Saad is getting wrecked.

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    Ah ok