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[–]-birds 18ポイント19ポイント  (6子コメント)

No. Sorry. That's not what he meant. That's not how the English language works.

  • If she is elected...
  • she will appoint justices, and there's nothing you can do...
  • although maybe there is something "2nd amendment people" can do

This "something" is not "go back in time and un-elect her."

Now, I don't think he is seriously calling for someone to assassinate Clinton (or anyone else). This is his schtick - he says something apalling in a "joking" tone. But this one isn't funny, and he should absolutely be called out for it. Shit like this has no place in political discourse anywhere, least of all in a campaign for President of the United States.

[–]OnlyFactsMatterUnsure (Trump Favored) -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe this didn't come out the way he intended, but i'm not sure.

Perhaps he meant the gun lobby should lobby the Senate and have them reject Clinton's choice?

[–]wesser234Non-Trump Supporter 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to think that's what he meant, but I just wish he would have said it.

[–]AwesomeKillerKevinNon-Trump Supporter 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought Donald was against corruption and bribery? If he really meant that he should of said that directly, not vaguely say a statement this important.

[–]dietstacheNon-Trump Supporter 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are really reaching here.

[–]-birds 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The official campaign response is more in-line with what the OP is saying, but that doesn't make sense given the analysis of the words he actually said. What you've suggested is more plausible after looking at his actual quote, but if that's actually what he meant, then why didn't the campaign say that instead?

[–]OnlyFactsMatterUnsure (Trump Favored) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What you've suggested is more plausible after looking at his actual quote, but if that's actually what he meant, then why didn't the campaign say that instead?

It's frustrating.

[–]OnlyFactsMatterUnsure (Trump Favored) 10ポイント11ポイント  (30子コメント)

Maybe this didn't come out the way he intended,

Omar Mateen's father was at Hillary's rally. He should have DESTROYED her over this. Instead he once again says an outrageous statement that he knows will get controversy. I am getting to where I don't think it's a coincidence anymore.

[–]DragofireheartNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wasn't a coincidence 6 months ago and it isn't a coincidence now.

He does it on purpose. The question we need to ask is why.

[–]badguy_1Nimble Navigator 1ポイント2ポイント  (24子コメント)

Like I said earlier, he was 38 minutes into a long rally when he said this 15 second statement.

[–]OnlyFactsMatterUnsure (Trump Favored) 0ポイント1ポイント  (23子コメント)

That's not how this works. He shouldn't have said anything controversial, and should have ripped her apart for Mateen's appearance. Has he even commented on that yet? It's getting fucking frustrating to be honest. This is a winnable election and a chance to turn the tide against SJWs.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (21子コメント)

That's not how this works. He shouldn't have said anything controversial

The media will make anything controversial. Are you just now joining us? What he said wasn't even controversial, ESPECIALLY in context of the entire speech (he was running through her policies and how bad they all were), but they could pull off the mental gymnastics for it, so they did.

Stop buying bullshit, stop hyping bulshit.

[–]OnlyFactsMatterUnsure (Trump Favored) 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

What he said wasn't even controversial,

From the OP: "Maybe this didn't come out the way he intended, but i'm not sure."

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

... Good for the OP...

[–]OnlyFactsMatterUnsure (Trump Favored) 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

... Good for the OP...

Right now Trump is really down in the polls. He has no room for error. Omar Mateen's - the Orlando shooter - father was at a rally of hers. He should have spent 20 minutes destroying her over it. I don't even think he has Tweeted about it.

It's like every time Hillary is in trouble, Trump says something stupid to take the heat off of her - it can't be a coincidence at this point.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're so fucking close to having a point that approaches the truth. You're noticing that every Clinton fuck up somehow gets shadowed by another random Trump "controversy", but you're buying into the "controversies" instead of noticing the intent of the pattern here. It's like the evidence of the DNC and media colluding for Hillary just wizzed over your head.

Trump was talking about the NRA with "second amendment people". He literally spent minutes talking about how the NRA were great people after that statement, and the "it would be a horrible day" was in reference to Hillary's policies, something he was running down for minutes before this statement. There is no controversy, except for making one, which the media did.

Stop buying their bullshit.

[–]OnlyFactsMatterUnsure (Trump Favored) 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Stop buying their bullshit.

From the OP: "Maybe this didn't come out the way he intended, but i'm not sure."

If the media is so against Trump shouldn't Trump make his statements very clearly, and have his statements come the way he intended?

He was doing good for a week, and just when Hillary allowed Mateen at her rally, he says yet another controversial thing.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you know what's being said about him is BS, yet you think he can avoid the BS being slung at him by carefully parsing every statement in a hour long speech?

He has beaten a ton of guys in the Republican primary, some with WAY more charisma and WAY less issues than Hillary. I don't give a shit about today's manufactured controversy months away from the primaries, especially if I know it's BS.

I'm not going to now cry about the media being the BS artists they are and ask how Trump can work with them when they never wanted it in the first place. They'll make anything up, just point out it's BS and move on. That's all Trump has to do.

[–]wesser234Non-Trump Supporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (7子コメント)

Something Trump needs to understand is you NEVER give the media something to interpret. By saying this the way he said it, he is now being framed as asking for the assassination of a political rival. If he had said it in a way where he asked them to vote for him rather then say they "might" have something to do AFTER he loses then he wouldn't be in this spot?

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

As I pointed out in that video in which the directly deconextualized Trump's RNC speech seconds after it happened (and, if someone feels like looking for it, every MSM outlet called his speech the exact same thing, even though his speech was about American exceptionalism and making the country great), he could do nothing and they'll make up a controversy to attack him for.

Hell, I want to point out Hillary, in that same day, had the FATHER OF THE ORLANDO SHOOTER RIGHT BEHIND HER CHEERING HER ON, yet Trump is once again the controversy for talking about the NRA. Stop buying bullshit, you'll lead a better life for it if you stopped buying into what the media is trying to sell (the same media Wikileaks outright showed was colluding with the DNC who was colluding with Hillary).

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

The only way Trump could avoid media controversy is by not speaking at all.

They've spent this entire election BSing about what he has said and taking what he has said out of context. Trying to avoid it would be the biggest losing battle of all time.

[–]wesser234Non-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you really think Trump is going to come out of this better then when he went in? You can't disprove interpretations like you can misquotes or out of context statements.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can't disprove interpretations

Glad to see you're figuring out how the media is attacking Trump. Now just use that critical thinking in a broader scale.

[–]wesser234Non-Trump Supporter -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yea, Trump isn't getting a fair shake, but I disagree politically with republican/conservative ideology so there's no way I'm going Trump. The point is... If he wants to win he needs to play the game of politics.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

The game of politics has sucked for Republicans the past few decades, and the game of politics is fucked. They want him to be Mitt Romney because Mitt Romney was a pushover, he's not.

We saw the DNC emails, the media is in their hands, so saying "he should avoid controversy" is like saying you should avoid water in the ocean.

[–]zoeingUndecided -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

Even in its best light though it undermines Trump's entire campaign and why I even think about supporting him, he is simply implying that it is okay for special interest groups to lobby and bully their way to get elected officials to do what they want.

Sure its better than "Lets kill the shrill" but seriously we like Trump because he is against shit like this. The statement is bullshit in both scenarios and he deserves to be getting flack for it.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

The NRA endorsed Trump, and they're one of the few if not only lobbyists entirely funded via small donations, and their only goal is the non-infringement of the second amendment. To compare them to Goldman Sachs because of job title alone is like comparing football with baseball because they're both sports, and you going "saying lobbyists will oppose something is only slightly worse than an active call for assassination", which even in the "imagine it's a controversy" storyline the media is trying to throw out didn't even happen, is just a larger statement about you than anything or anyone else.

You're trying to find something enraging even after finding out the enragement you previously had doesn't actually exist. It's adorable, really.

[–]zoeingUndecided 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

So its totally okay to have money and private interest groups in politics as long as its something you agree with? And why would the media go against lobbying? The MSM fucking loves lobbying and shrills will keep at it, hence we should expect Trump to oppose it but no here he is supporting it.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

No I'm not a fan of lobbies, neither is Trump, but much like I don't like war, I like the soldiers on my side WAY more than the other side.

[–]zoeingUndecided 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You simply can't have it both ways though. You have to target them all to eliminate the problem with our political system and sadly that means the NRA too.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

So your suggestion is, even though there's no real way to kill them all, is to oppose ALL of them, including the ones that agree with you and you agree with? Back to the soldier analogy here- You don't kill your side and the people you're fighting against to win. You kill the other side first, then you go "go home, we don't need you" to your side.

[–]freedomnaYa ne russkiy komp'yuternaya programma[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

As I said to /u/wesser234

Trump has dozens of great staff working under him. People behind Brexit and Paul Manafort just to name a few. Now I do not know their plan, nor will I pretend to know it so all I can say is "Trust in the team, if they thought it was better to do something else then they would've done it"

Occam's razor says it is more likely Trump has a plan than he is a Hillary plant.

[–]BareknuckleCagefight 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Occam's razor:

Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

I'd figure him making a mistake would be the go-to choice here based on Occam's razor, counter to the playing out of a massive plan orchestrated to have the biggest benefit to him. Because right now, what the majority of people are seeing is a huge blunder. Because that is probably what it was.

[–]Chitosan_ManNimble Navigator -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

If he attacked Omar Mateen's father, the left would have twisted that as well.

[–]OnlyFactsMatterUnsure (Trump Favored) -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he attacked Omar Mateen's father, the left would have twisted that as well.

I don't think so. I think this is one battle they could not win and I am sure they are relieved Trump helped Clinton instead.

[–]wesser234Non-Trump Supporter 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

Look, I don't believe that's what he meant either, and I'm a Clinton supporter, but why would he say it like that when he should have been going after her about Omar? You can defend the statement (and you should), but how can you defend the judgement?

[–]badguy_1Nimble Navigator -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

He was 38 minutes into the speech when he dropped this 15 second statement. I doubt he really thought anything of it at the time and he shouldn't have been worried about it

[–]wesser234Non-Trump Supporter 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

He paused before he said it. He was clearly thinking about it.

[–]badguy_1Nimble Navigator -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

He does that a lot when he goes off script. Nothing uncharacteristic

[–]Peca_BokemUnsure (Trump Favored) 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

But he should have known people could easily perceive a threat there, regardless of if he meant one or not. If this is typical of him and he blundered this badly, then things don't bode well.

And if he really he such a great dealmaker / persuader / whatever, then he should have immediately caught himself.

[–]freedomnaYa ne russkiy komp'yuternaya programma[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (8子コメント)

Trump has dozens of great staff working under him. People behind Brexit and Paul Manafort just to name a few.

Now I do not know their plan, nor will I pretend to know it so all I can say is "Trust in the team, if they thought it was better to do something else then they would've done it"

[–]OnlyFactsMatterUnsure (Trump Favored) 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

Brexit barely passed in a country where 90% of the electorate is white.

[–]wesser234Non-Trump Supporter 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, brexit didn't have much to do with race then it did economic class and ideology.

[–]freedomnaYa ne russkiy komp'yuternaya programma[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

It passed though. With the entire media up against it and public opinion thinking it to be the worst thing ever, it won.

Brexit was the British version of what is happening here in the States. When everyone thought it would loose, it won and they are trying to apply that magic here.

[–]furiousD12345Non-Trump Supporter -5ポイント-4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Lol according to recent reports Trump isn't listening to his team and Manafort has completely checked out.

You can admit he's dumb and can't go more than 48 hours without saying something stupid and that you backed a reality tv host for president because you either don't actually give 2 shits about the future of this country or you're too stupid to see what a disaster he would be.

[–]freedomnaYa ne russkiy komp'yuternaya programma[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

according to recent reports

What recent reports, written by who? By the same people saying Trump is totally going to drop out now, yup... any day now...?

[–]furiousD12345Non-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

nope

Now he's clearly downplaying thing because he's talking to the media. Note one of the last likes where a republican source stated that "he feels like a fool". As he should.

[–]Peca_BokemUnsure (Trump Favored) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Source plz.

[–]NUTS_STUCK_TO_LEGNon-Trump Supporter 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Horrible phrasing on Trump's part, word order and thought process matter:

If she appoints judges>they'll take our weapons>there's nothing we can do>except the second amendment people

I immediately took that to mean, "Only people who arm themselves will have a chance to stop her"

[–]DT2016RULEZUnsure (Trump Favored) 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just don't understand why everyone here is making excuses for his behavior lately, or blaming everyone else (like the media). The man is running for President of the United States. There is no excuse for gaffs like these. If Clinton or Obama made statements like these you would not be breaking down his statements sentence by sentence to see what they really mean. You would be doing the exact same thing the media is doing with Trump right now.

I know he isn't really calling for violence and that this was a joke and major slip, but nobody running for such an office like the U.S. President should have this level of crassness. You can insult policies and backward logic (well, really you shouldn't be but that's where we are apparently), but public fuck ups like these are not acceptable. It wouldn't be acceptable if an IRS agent said it, so it shouldn't be acceptable here either.

[–]YouareabigguyNimble Navigator -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLNFsl130_Y

I know this is a "deflect to Hillary" post, but here is something Hillary has also done. Granted this wasn't the current election, but it still happened. Nobody remembers this.

[–]DT2016RULEZUnsure (Trump Favored) 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no reason to even bring it up. If you're supporting Trump, it's because you don't support Clinton. Without even getting into the merits of whether or not what she said is acceptable or Obleman's analysis of it, it's privy to saying that because Clinton said it then it must be ok. NO IT FUCKING ISN'T. If we want to believe that Trump is better than Clinton, THEN TRUMP NEEDS TO BE BETTER THAN CLINTON. There is NO reason to be lowering the bar because the other candidate made similar comments 2 elections ago, THE SAME CANDIDATE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BEAT.

[–]Penguin236Non-Trump Supporter 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do folks...

The citizens have no more say in the matter, we cannot stop her from taking away the weapons.

Although the second amendment people maybe there is, I don't know.

He is saying, "Hey guys who like the 2A, vote for me and we can stop this!" He isn't saying we need to kill her.

This is where the logic breaks down. The second amendment line came directly after he said "if she wins", so the whole "vote for me and we can stop this" doesn't make any sense, since she already won in his hypothetical scenario.

[–]KillerBeesReduxNon-Trump Supporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is saying, "Hey guys who like the 2A, vote for me and we can stop this!"

So your interpretation of the statement is, if I understand it correctly: "If Hillary Clinton wins the election we can't stop her from dissolving the 2nd Amendment unless she loses the election."

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Campaign statement here.

Believe it or not- Gun people do more than shoot guns in life.

EDIT: and because no one else will apparently the entire speech.

HE FUCKING TALKS ABOUT THE NRA SECONDS AFTER THE "controversial" STATEMENT.

[–]kevie3drinksNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he meant the former, just because that's what second amendment supporters say all the time, and I tend to agree with them. This fact makes actually repealing the second amendment an impossibility. Which is great.

But he isn't going to get any benefit of the doubt here, because his pattern of behavior. The media is going to go crazy over this.

[–]SyncreNimble Navigator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump playing 4D chess

I don't believe that's true, but just for reference, I'm going to post it. It's not like he hasn't done this before, though. The email stuff with Russia, his bloated messages during the primaries...

I want to believe, man

[–]nos4autooNon-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, he was joking, but he shouldn't put himself in such a spot. He's not only responsible for what he says but also how people hear it, and he should try to minimize the room for ambiguity. He has many ways he should be staying on message, and this is just another way he's shooting himself in the foot.

[–]82364Non-Trump Supporter 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The government media

All NPR of them? I checked and they have one short story on it; are you referring to something else?

Edit: Their story on Hillary's rally is ~50% longer.

[–]dtz12Non-Trump Supporter -2ポイント-1ポイント  (11子コメント)

here's a simple question: don't we deserve a president where you don't have to make a PSA explaining away why he doesn't mean treason after a freaking campaign speech? is that too much to ask? do you think the MSM could do anything like this with obama or hillary's speeches? why should we put up with this? why do you think it is okay that he speaks off the cuff and that you have to go through some efforts, possibly clearly justified, but some efforts on your part nevertheless to "soften" and "correct" his words.

doing that often is a sign isn't it? there has to be better powerful ways of saying things he really wants to say.

[–]regollyekNimble Navigator 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

don't we deserve a president where you don't have to make a PSA explaining away why he doesn't mean treason after a freaking campaign speech

God damn. There'd be like 500 PSAs for Hillary if they didn't just 100% ignore everything.

do you think the MSM could do anything like this with obama or hillary's speeches?

As an ex-Democrat who voted for Obama, pretty easily. FOX did it 24/7 with Obama.

[–]dtz12Non-Trump Supporter 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

God damn. There'd be like 500 PSAs for Hillary if they didn't just 100% ignore everything.

give me one.

As an ex-Democrat who voted for Obama, pretty easily. FOX did it 24/7 with Obama.

exactly. and they got nothing. we get a racist insinuation at islamic subjugation of women, an assassination attempt, unconstitutional talk of not ceding power if you lose elections, and what else ... in a matter of 10 days.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

1 PSA per deleted email.

[–]freedomnaYa ne russkiy komp'yuternaya programma[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

33.000 PSAs? I do not think I can write that many...

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe if people stopped lying about him and BSing "intent" we wouldn't have to.

Did you not see the DNC emails? The media and the democrats are one. They won't call out Hillary, and they won't call out Obama. Hell, they won't even touch on the fact Hillary OUTRIGHT talked about Obama getting assassinated in 2008, something at best you can squint your eyes and hammer in an "implication" for Trump, even though after the "second amendment people" statement, he literally spent minutes talking about the NRA, who are pretty good at not assassinating people and working within the laws.

[–]dtz12Non-Trump Supporter 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hell, they won't even touch on the fact Hillary OUTRIGHT talked about Obama getting assassinated in 2008, something at best you can squint your eyes and hammer in an "implication" for Trump

they talked about it. it became a huge scandal, and clinton apologized in a pretty classy manner. nothing like trump's campaign statement today.

here's what she said in 2008

"The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy and I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, and particularly for the Kennedy family, was in any way offensive," Clinton said. "I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever."

remember, senator ted kennedy was hospitalized for a tumor earlier that month.

[–]A_Little_OlderNimble Navigator -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

So a flat out reference to someone who actually did get assassinated in reference to your opponent can be forgiven, but a NON-mention of assassination and pointing out how it's not even a mention of assassination is a problem?

You see why no one gives a fuck about media narrative any more?

[–]dtz12Non-Trump Supporter 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

both were problems ...

who said the former wasn't a problem?

You see why no one gives a fuck about media narrative any more?

in your bubble perhaps. honestly, i understand the media is sensationalized, but i don't throw out the baby with the bathwater. i'm afraid you're missing the bigger picture in your rabid support for a demagogue.

[–]freedomnaYa ne russkiy komp'yuternaya programma[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem is the media will latch onto anything.

Lets for a moment pretend that the media isn't in bed with the DNC (including Fox which donates to the Clinton Campaign and Foundation).

People love to hate Trump, and hating Trump gets viewerships. The media has every motive to milk this cash-cow for whatever it is worth by showing everything Trump does negatively.

Anyone is just as vulnerable to this kind of constant attack as Trump is.

[–]dtz12Non-Trump Supporter 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is the media will latch onto anything.

that's a secondary problem. i agree that the MSM loves hyperbole and whipping things up into a frenzy. but you know what is a primary problem that i contend? trump's absolute lack of thoughtfulness. he's brash, rude, arrogant, and not mindful of his words. he cannot comport as a president should.

Anyone is just as vulnerable to this kind of constant attack as Trump is.

obama and clinton have been attacked like this but nothing even close to what we have seen the past 10 days with trump has stuck despite 8 years of an obama presidency. the worst we got was 57 states or a gaffe about his islamic faith.

[–]DontHiUnsure (Trump Favored) 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost everyone is going to go after him for this comment, you can't just blame the media for things Trump says or 'means'.