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So with the purchase of Paul Pogba and John Stones, i wanted to see where the PL was in terms of money spent. (self.soccer)

Redrocket1701 が 投稿

So in total, as of today the 9th of August (Post Pogba), the Premier League has spent:

€859.9m

So how does this break down? Well:

€51.2m - Arsenal
€35.1m - Bournemouth
€3m - Burnley
€76m - Chelsea
€27.5m - Crystal Palace
€8.5m - Everton
€45.5m - Leicester
€82.1m - Liverpool
€182m - Man City
€173.3m - Man U
€21.7m - Middlesborough
€28.5m - Southampton
€20.5m - Stoke
€9.5m - Sunderland
€28.7m - Swansea
€34.9m - Tottenham
€21.5m - Watford
€6.5m - West Brom
€27m - West Ham

Surprisingly, Man City is still ahead of Man Utd post Pogba, the John Stones signing boosting them to €182m. Liverpool has spent the 3rd most at €82.1m, while Chelsea have managed to spend €76m on just two players. Arsenal and Leicester take 5th and 6th dropping €51.2m and €45.5m respectively so far this transfer window.

All this leaves me wondering, do you think we'll see the Premier League break a billion euros this transfer window?

So how does Europe compare to the spending of the Premier League:

2nd - Serie A at €407.8m. (Mostly thanks to Higuain and Juventus)
3rd - La Liga at €368.3m.
4th - Bundesliga at €366.4m.
5th - Ligue 1 €182.17m

At the request of /u/guilikzor: Primeira Liga at €55.33m

I'll do a cumulative one of these at the close of the transfer market on August 31st.

As people are asking for them, my sources are here and here

Hope you guys have a lovely day! :)

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[–]Tottenham Hotspurbrokenairguitar 24ポイント25ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's hard to fathom us keeping up with free-spending giants like Bournemouth.

[–]West Bromwich Albioncggo1994 47ポイント48ポイント  (6子コメント)

€6.5m - West Brom

FML

[–]Redrocket1701[S] 23ポイント24ポイント  (1子コメント)

hey at least you're not Hull.

[–]Arsenalfour_four_three 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's good news for us all.

[–]Manchester Uniteddemonictoaster 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

When Sunderland are out spending you, you know there is a problem.

[–]Las PalmasRabidNerd 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sunderland has spent before Fletcher, Johnson etc

[–]ReadingCandleJakk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mate, chances are that even we've spent more than you.

[–]Germanylefix 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

classic eco round

[–]Chelseaaphromagic 15ポイント16ポイント  (3子コメント)

West Ham doin the lord's work with 27m

[–]West Ham UnitedItsTheHomeWrecker 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, you can bet your house Nordviet and Feghouli would have had signing on fee's.

[–]West Ham UnitedAnalAttackProbe 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

27m net matches what we've spent the last few seasons... now consider we've got a shiny new stadium and a new TV deal. Been doing some excellent business so far and appear to still have money to spend.

[–]Southamptonhoorahforsnakes 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Feels cruel to just completely ignore hull on that list. Could have at least given them an honerary mention, after all, they are still technically in the premier league, at least until february

[–]Arsenalangelicporcupine 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Note: Leicester aren't 5th, Arsenal is. For once. Leicester are 6th.

[–]Redrocket1701[S] 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ah crap, missed that, yeah i'll fix that.

[–]Aston VillaMoreRedAnts 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably because you thought 4. Arsenal

[–]Tottenham HotspurBurgleYourTurds 3ポイント4ポイント  (12子コメント)

I have to assume City and United have neared the end of their business dealings (puchasing wise) and I'm not sure where Chelsea, West Ham, Liverpool, Leicester City or Southampton stand.

But I'd expect Spurs, Everton, and (jokes aside) Arsenal all to make at least one more purchase. I doubt Levy will spend big but I'd imagine that Everton or Arsenal might bring in a big money player. In addition to all of the smaller/less glamorous dealings that will take place throughout the league.

What I'm trying to say is yes, I'd expect the PL spending to eclipse 1bil.

[–]Manchester CityPottsaayy 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

City are done other than maybe signing a keeper. Nothing but departures now which will pocket us at least £60m, you'd assume.

[–]Manchester Citytitykaka 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You don't think we'll get a fullback?

[–]Manchester CityPottsaayy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah, especially not with Zaba confirming he's staying. Sagna/Zaba/Maffeo and Clichy/Angelino with Sarmiento further down the line who looked incredible during his short time with the u18s, I think we're alright. I don't see anyone who we could get that particularly improves us, tbh. Best to reevaluate next summer when Clichy, Sagna and Zaba all have more miles on the clock and an extra year in their legs.

[–]Republic of IrelandMayo4Sam 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Other than Mangala and Bony who else are City trying to move on? Also do you not think you do with signing some fullbacks?

[–]Manchester CityPottsaayy 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nasri and Kolarov. Maybe Navas, and potentially even one of Hart/Willy if we do go after a goalkeeper.

Eh, I said to the other lad that I don't think so. We have some talented kids coming through on both sides. Zabaleta has confirmed Pep asked him to stay, and we're not letting Sagna go after his last season. Also, the market is pretty dry in terms of full backs. Not sure who we could go and get who would massively improve us. Rodriguez and Peres were linked but I'm not sold on either, tbh. There can also be such a thing as too much overhaul in one go, I think it's best to reevaluate next summer once the kids have got some games at our level, and we see how Clichy, Sagna and Zaba are all fairing with an extra year in their legs. The market could also look completely different and there could be a more obvious option for us.

[–]Republic of IrelandMayo4Sam 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'd be surprised if you managed to move Nasri on given his wages and attitude problems. Any idea how long he has left on his contract? I had read that City were interested in MAtS and he would be a great signing.

That's fair you have to give youth a chance at some stage and ye have already had a serious enough outlay so probably better only moving for a player that would considerably improve the team as opposed to stop gap measures.

[–]Manchester CityPottsaayy 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We only want £17m and apparently there's interest from both Milan clubs and Roma. His wages aren't extortionate and he's some player on his day, I think we'll get him out fairly easily. His contract expires in 2019.

It's definitely the intention, we've poured plenty into our youth setup. The first set of lads who have been the benefactors of the revamp will be u18s next year, despite most of them being 16. They've not lost a game for more than 3 years as an age group, winning with ridiculous scorelines like 9-0 more frequently than not. They beat Swansea u23s 7-1 a few days ago despite being up to 7 years their junior. The feeling is that this is the age group that will be the ones to first break into the first team, but ahead of that we have a few kids who will be capable of making the step up in the next year or two. I wouldn't be surprised to see at least 2 or 3 involved from time to time this season.

[–]Republic of IrelandMayo4Sam 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah maybe tbh obviously don't follow Nasri closely but the only him I see him on /r/soccer is for his off field activities.

Yeah it will be interesting to see how the academy produces given the investment, but even if City were to only get one first team player ever 2/3 years you'd almost say its worth it given the state and direction of the transfer market.

[–]Liverpoolbiffbangboom 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Other than a LB I'd think we're done.

[–]Tottenham HotspurBurgleYourTurds 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

For curiosity's sake, who do you imagine you're in for?

I know Hector was thrown around but anyone else?

[–]Liverpoolbiffbangboom 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not Hector according to Pearce and a few others. Few names mentioned as possibilities, but nothing concrete yet.

Might not happen either, might just keep using Milner as required.

[–]ChelseaProphet_of_Jaciam 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most Chelsea fans, myself very much included, are happy with the signings we've made, but the lack of a CB signing ( hopefully Koulibaly ) and a LB ( worryingly no rumours of any merit) is something that needs to be addressed. Our defence was the part of our team that needed the most work, yet we are set to start the same back line against West Ham as we did all last season.

[–]Benficaguiiikzor 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/Redrocket1701, how much have we spent (primeira liga)?

[–]Redrocket1701[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Primeira Liga has spent €55.33m, almost all of that comes from Benfica (€16.91m), Porto (€22.35m), Sporting CP (€12.61m) and Braga (€3.14m).

I'll add the main spend for the league to the top, and i'll also find the transfers for Ligue 1, as it feels odd not having them now.

[–]Manchester Unitedidunlikeu 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

How about net spent?

[–]Tottenham HotspurBurgleYourTurds 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fella.

[–]LiverpoolConall1 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our spending looks like alot, but with our net spend its not that bad.

[–]Arsenalsandbag-1 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

Don't mean to undermine the effort you put into this or anything, but why have you quoted the prices in Euros? None of the teams use that currency

[–]Redrocket1701[S] 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

The site i got all the information from quoted in euros, i'm looking around for another one and will update them into pounds for the PL.

[–]Redrocket1701[S] 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also its worth noting that most of the international deals that take place in football are done in euros, not pounds.

[–]Arsenal9jack9 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The site i got all the information from quoted in euros

Can you add a link to the source in your post please?

[–]WebSir 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why does it matter what currency he uses? Ain't that hard to use Google to convert it to what ever currency you fancy

[–]wayv__ 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

The clearest and most precise way to show the data is to use the currency that those teams actually use. Exchange rates fluctuate but the number of pounds each team has spent is constant.

[–]Philadelphia UnionJuan_Kagawa 4ポイント5ポイント  (3子コメント)

It might be in Euros because a lot of the transfer deals are with teams in other European nations so the most accurate published data is in Euros.

[–]Redrocket1701[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, all this is out of date come the next signing.

[–]wayv__ 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's obviously because transfermarkt use Euros, but transfermarkt is far from the most accurate published data.

[–]FC Hakafmurto -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Transfermarkt is just an aggregate for different sources anyway. And because this post lists figures from other European leagues, the best way to go about presenting the data is with a unified currency.

[–]WebSir -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless you have stocks in those signings, it doesn't matter at all. Nobody is going to anything with this data.

30 million euro or pound or dollar... we all know its a shitload of money but it matters to know one how much it, to the penny, exactly is

[–]Sunderlandwonderfuladventure -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The whole post is fucking gobbidy goop to me

[–]Manchester UnitedHamAaron 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

Burnley are gonna really struggle if they spend some money

[–]Burnleyjawh94 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

We'll struggle either way I reckon. The club isn't attractive to Premier League level players, and the rest aren't worth paying for.

[–]Redrocket1701[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

While i think you will struggle, i wish you guys all the luck in the world as your first three matches aren't exactly a walk in the park.

[–]Redrocket1701[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

at least they spent some, Hull haven't spent a drop yet.

[–]West Ham UnitedAnalAttackProbe 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

This is net spending, correct?

[–]Liverpoolbiffbangboom 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

No

[–]West Ham UnitedAnalAttackProbe 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then ours is waaaaay the fuck off.

[–]Redrocket1701[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

This doesn't include profit from selling players, this is just how much the clubs have spent on new talent so far this transfer window.

[–]West Ham UnitedAnalAttackProbe 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then your numbers for West Ham are way off.

[–]Leicester CitySnowballMyself 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Should be more like £40m?

[–]metrize 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Man utd still spent less than man city wtf

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ -5ポイント-4ポイント  (54子コメント)

I don't get how people can say teams like Chelsea buy the title when Man.U is spending more.

Maybe this will be the year all that PL spending turns into a UCL win

[–]Manchester CityPhoenixMiele 34ポイント35ポイント  (24子コメント)

I think historically, the reason people have said that Chelsea and City are buying the title is due to the fact most of the money ourselves and Chelsea used to purchase players at the time was from an external source - new owners. Whereas, Utd used money which they generated through sponsorship/sales/revenue from their global brand.

However, I'm not an expert so I can't determine whether this is accurate, on the whole. Just relaying perceptions.

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ -2ポイント-1ポイント  (23子コメント)

Ah okay. Makes sense.

To me at least, money is money. If you get it from an oil baron or a noodle sponsorship its still 'buying trophies'

[–]Manchester UnitedFeezbull 4ポイント5ポイント  (21子コメント)

While money is money, the sentiment was based off what he said and also, the standings of those clubs at the time pre money/post money basically.

They went from nearly theres/very far down even (City) to top level competition solely because of that. That's where the 'buying the league' comes from instead of clubs already near the top tier in their respective leagues or so buying to stay there/to be back there etc.

That's where the reasons come from.

[–]Chelseamutesa1 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not like we were a midtable club before Roman bought us. We hadn't finished lower than 6th place since 1997, won the 1998 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (the second-largest competition in Europe at the time), and had even reached the quarter finals of the Champions League in 2000. City on the other hand had been trophyless since 1976, and was in Division 1 in 2001-02. Yet we always get more flack.

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (18子コメント)

I see what you mean. I can understand that, but I just don't agree with it. To me the three of them are trying to buy the league and where they get their money doesn't really matter

[–]Manchester Unitedchukaluk 1ポイント2ポイント  (15子コメント)

City was near the bottom of the table getting beat 8-0 with stephen ireland being their best player. Then they compete for titles. Thats why they get stick.

[–]Las PalmasRabidNerd 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

And we're in top 4 around Christmas that year

[–]Manchester Unitedchukaluk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

And Arsenal is in first at the start of the season

[–]Manchester Citytitykaka -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

You mean 8th-10th? And we never got beat 8-0.

[–]Manchester Unitedchukaluk 0ポイント1ポイント  (11子コメント)

No, I mean near the bottom. 15th, 14th, then you go up. And sorry it was 8-1

[–]Las PalmasRabidNerd 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

6:1 at the swamp

[–]Manchester Unitedchukaluk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

hurr durr

[–]Manchester Cityrwilko32 -1ポイント0ポイント  (6子コメント)

Oh you're talking about the last day of the season game which was not only meaningless in terms of the club's league position but the manager had also effectively been sacked just beforehand. City finished 9th that season by the way not 15th or 14th (and funnily enough won both derbies)

[–]Manchester Unitedchukaluk 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Still 8-1? Jesus. 05/06, 15th. 06/07, 14th. Then you go up. I'm not sure what part of that you don't understand.

EDIT: My mistake, didn't see you weren't the same person

[–]Manchester Citytitykaka -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

We finished 9th in 2008, did the double over you too.

[–]Manchester Unitedchukaluk 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

15th, 14th, then you went up. Like I said.

[–]Manchester UnitedFeezbull 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

So every team that spends is trying to buy the league then? I mean, that's what it is if so... Everybody is literally buying to get better/win things for sure because you need to spend to improve quality in general anyway.

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what I'm trying to say. The accusation is only levelled at certain clubs when everyone does it

[–]Manchester CityRektSquared 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We got to the premier league without big money. We won it with money though

[–]Sunderlandwonderfuladventure 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

FPP disagrees

[–]Manchester UnitedUnidentifiably 7ポイント8ポイント  (7子コメント)

The difference being that United built it's success over decades and earnt the ability to spend big. Meanwhile clubs like Chelsea and City were plucked from mediocrity by billionaire backers.

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll just copy my response to someone else

I see what you mean. I can understand that, but I just don't agree with it. To me the three of them are trying to buy the league and where they get their money doesn't really matter

[–]Manchester CityPottsaayy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plucked.

As if extremely successful businessmen just thought fuck it, and pulled a name from a hat on a whim.

[–]Manchester Cityrwilko32 -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

The difference being that United built it's success over decades and earnt the ability to spend big

United floated on the stock exchange in late 80s/early 90s to bring in millions of pounds of investment which they used to buy a lot of players. They were fortunate to also have a crop of outstanding youth players all come through at the same time just as money was flooding in to football from the formation of the PL and Sky TV. Spunking further money each season on the likes of Keane, Cole, Ferdinand, Rooney, Berbatov etc. helped to keep them on top and other clubs down. "Earnt the ability to spend big" seems to suggest that Chelsea and City's owners shouldn't be allowed to spend their money which is fucking retarded tbh if you're trying to argue there's anything noble about ruthlessly exploiting the commercial side of football as United did.

[–]Manchester UnitedUnidentifiably 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

United floated on the stock exchange which brought in £6.7m, more than half of which was spent on Roy Keane. This is nowhere near the same as the hundreds of millions that has been pumped in by your oil money. Our success was earned by the likes of the class of 92 and SAF who rebuilt team after team. We hardly ever spent big the way the galactacos of Madrid were.

What exactly did City do to earn their titles? Nothing, it was all bought by oil money.

[–]Manchester Cityrwilko32 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

United floated on the stock exchange which brought in £6.7m, more than half of which was spent on Roy Keane. This is nowhere near the same as the hundreds of millions that has been pumped in by your oil money.

Inflation doesn't exist then? And I'm not just talking about the £, I wonder how the transfer market became so inflated by 2008 and whether it had anything to do with things like spending £30m on a CB in 2001?

What exactly did City do to earn their titles?

The same as any other club, by being the best team in the league. Football is awash with money and United have wallowed in it like pigs in shit so it smacks of nothing more than extreme bitterness for United fans to complain when someone appears with the financial means to compete with them in a market which their own club had a huge hand in creating.

[–]Manchester UnitedUnidentifiably -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am accounting for inflation, like I said, most of that money was spent on one player. Spending £30m in 2001 was one a handful of marquee signings made by SAF over a 25 year span and was earned by winning the treble and multiple other trophies. You're really clutching at straws by trying to seriously compare the two situations.

I'm all for competition by the way, I just prefer to see clubs earn that competitiveness rather than having some foreign sheikh buy it for them.

[–]Manchester Cityrwilko32 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

United regularly outspent their rivals and took the best players off other English clubs directly inhibiting them from building a competitive side, the fans of those clubs don't give a fuck whether your money came from flogging duvet covers in Thailand or a wealthy investor. Incidentally it was that float in the early 90s which allowed the Glazers to buy your club who then proceeded to prop it up with massive bank loans taking hundreds of millions of pounds out of football in the process. United really aren't the shining example you seem to believe they are.

[–]Manchester UnitedChegism 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No-one says that anymore. Get with the times.

[–]AustraliaDJ_B0B 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mid 2000's Chelsea were spending way more than they are now. They've actually been pretty economical lately, getting some nice profit from sales and getting reasonable prices like Kante.

[–]Arsenal1CooKiee 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

because chelsea were an above average but below the top team before outspending everyone else and starting to win?

[–]TanqPhil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wasn't there a year that more than half of PL transfer spending came from Chelsea?

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just taking utd as an example. If they stopped spending then they'd eventually drop off. What I'm trying to say is that to be successful you have to spend money. Chelsea or City should be insulted for spending money when Utd spends more than Chelsea and very close to city

[–]DynamiteWhyte -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

United were successful, so got the money and the sponsorships and everything to continue growing as a club. Chelsea and City basically got super rich billionaires who pumped all the cash in to the club to buy the league titles.

Chelsea, less so. They were at least competing with Liverpool, Newcastle, Leeds and such for the years for the European spots. The money gave them the league title though.

Man City went from being a mid-table club to actual league rivals because of oil money.

Can say what you want about United, but the sustained success for them in the Premier League at least means they built their success. City was handed it.

[–]Werder BremenPapyDjilobodji 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Always think people look back harshly on late 90s/early 00s Chelsea. We were solidly too 6/ too 4 and regularly won cups, we weren't United or Arsenal but we were borderline a top team.

[–]Arsenal1CooKiee 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

thats what i meant, a modern day liverpool if you will

[–]Werder BremenPapyDjilobodji 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

What? Them's fighting words mate.

Seriously though, I'd say that's fair. I'd argue a bit more successful in cup competitions though.

[–]TanqPhil 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Check this chart for Chelsea. This is where the phrase comes from...spnding 3x or 4x your nearest competitor to win the league. Note 2003 and 2004.

[–]ArsenalNaveXof -1ポイント0ポイント  (4子コメント)

Chelsea bought 10th actually

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Last season. You can't honestly say that the accusation was never mentioned

[–]ArsenalNaveXof 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was a go at Chelsea -- come on man -- have you no personality?

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think so. I kinda like Chelsea because I like Fabregas. Other than that I have no feelings for or agaisnt them

[–]Chelseaaphromagic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can give you umpteen other reasons to like Chelsea outside Fabregas, especially if you happen to be of the neo-nazi persuasion.

Edit to address the downvote fairies: this is what's known as self-deprecating humor.

[–]FinlandHaveYouSeenMyTaco -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

Maybe this will be the year all that PL spending turns into a UCL win

I just can't see any PL side beating two of Juve, Bayern, Barca, Real Madrid and Atletico. A Manchester team might "upset" one of the bunch but no way that is enough for UCL.

[–]DynamiteWhyte 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is only one Manchester team in the Champions League this year.

[–]FinlandHaveYouSeenMyTaco 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, that surely makes ManU turning their spendings into a UCL win all but easier.

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can't see us doing it honestly. We need another great midfielder and then I still don't think we could reliably beat Real, Barca or Bayern. I wouldn't even be that confident agaisnt a Manchester side, PSG or A Madrid

[–]FinlandHaveYouSeenMyTaco -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would favor Juve over Manchester teams or PSG. There's striking power and absolutely fantastic defence. They were really close to beating Bayern last year and lost to Barca in the final the year before.

[–]JuventusAlice_R_ 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

We may have only just lost to Bayern but a lot of those goals came at the end of the game. Our team is aging and I don't think apart from Benatia and the full/wing backs we have any subs who are a high enough level to compete