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Comparing United's with City's team (self.reddevils)

mattysimp27 が 投稿

Sorry to intrude your Pogba celebrations but since both our teams have pretty much completed our signings for the season I wanted to get an opinion from the other side on which team is better in each position. So we've got:

GK: De Gea vs Hart/maybe Ter stegen.

LB: Shaw vs Clichy.

LCB: Baily vs Stones/Ota.

RCB: Smalling vs Kompany.

RB: Valencia/Darmian vs Sagna/Zaba.

CDM: Fellaini/Carrick/Schneiderlin vs Fernandinho/Fernando/Delph/Yaya.

CDM: Pogba vs Gundogan.

CAM: Rooney/Mata vs Kdb/Silva.

LW: Martial/Depay/Young vs Sterling/Nolito.

RW: Lindgard/Mhki vs Sane/Navas.

CF:Zlatan/Rashford vs Aguero/Iheanacho/Jesus.

Edit: Totally forgot about Yaya.

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[–]HuzaifaElahiTony Henry 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

De Gea

Shaw

Smalling

Kompany

Sagna

Fernandinho/Schneiderlin toss up

Pogba

KdB

Martial

Mkhitaryan

Aguero

City: 4

United: 6

Tie: 1

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd personally put Carrick in there over Schneiderlin.

[–]DonthitsmePaul Pogba 14ポイント15ポイント  (9子コメント)

The only positions where IMO we lose out in is CAM unless Pogba plays as our CAM, CF: Aguero better than what we have, and I believe Kompany is still a better defender than Smalling at the moment.

[–]ri0t333Januzaj 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

If Komany stays fit that is.

[–]mattysimp27[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (6子コメント)

Just to put my opinion in, I'd but the whole defense leaning towards City (Obviously not including the Keeper) and the first CDM spot I'd definitely put as ours. I agree with you on the rest though.

Have you got any specific opinions on the ones I've mentioned.

[–]fuhrerpinguMata 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shaw is much better than Clichy.

[–]DesOconnorScholesy 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Clichy is absolutely nowhere near Shaw, and Kolarov is one of the worst players in your side. I'd rather have Bailly and Smalling than Otamendi and Mangala, but if you have Kompany you're set. Difficult call on the RBs as Zabaleta and Sagna are very old now, and Darmian has the potential to be much better, as does Valencia. That being said, I can’t look past Zabaleta’s quality, if he rediscovers his form.

Fernandinho is better than Schneiderlin/Carrick, but Pogba is better than whoever else plays next to Fernandinho (i.e Gundogan). De Bruyne is one of the two best players in the league, along with Aguero, so you have a better CAM and ST, but I prefer our wingers (Mkhi and Martial) to any of yours. It should be very interesting, because I think our squad is more balanced than yours, and better on average, but De Bruyne and Aguero can win you the league if they stay fit.

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd take our fullbacks anyday of the week.

If Bailly kicks on from this game on Sunday i'd rather him too.

[–]A--J 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Both young players I'd say Bailly and Stones are very similar, I'm not impressed by Otamendi and I'd but both of these above him. Shaw is a mile ahead of Clichy if he can get to what he was before injury and if Valencia plays as he has in preseason he matches up to Sagna/Zaba at the very least. Kompany is better than Smalling if fit but I'm not sure he will stay fit. Again the first CDM spot is also very similar except for Fellaini I'd say who is below the others.

You have to remember the age of the City squad, much of the matching players are a lot older whereas we have the youth.

Overall I'd say our squads are very similar but I do believe we have more players who could produce the 'spectacular'; Zlatan, Martial, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, De Gea and even Rooney on his day; whereas I only see that coming from Aguero, KDB and possibly Sane depending on how he adapts.

[–]mattysimp27[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

On the producing 'Spectacular' I'd put Silva, Nolito and Gundogan on there for us as well. Also Yaya if he stays.

[–]BertrandRusJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

even Rooney on his day

Those days are pretty much extinct. I'd add Silva to the City list, he's class, best CAM in the League, maybe tied with Ozil

[–]ddongjunRooney 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Fuck city we are gonna crush them

[–]TyperSniperKeane 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

If LVG could beat that team 4-2, then I think Jose is going to absolutely flatten them with this one.

[–]George_Beast 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

You realise they have a different manager too, right?

[–]TyperSniperKeane 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who has 0 premier league experience and could adjust horribly, time will tell (I'm just being optimistic here)

[–]walterwhitec10h15n 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh shit... Waddup pep.

[–]krelmAndy Cole 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol. Are you two serious?

[–]labtecozaRonaldo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

CAM we lose heavily. CF we lose for the half season that Aguero can actually play. Fernandinho and Fernando are also better than Fellaini and Carrick but Pogba is better than anyone. Other positions we are all better imo

[–]GGMU1992Jose Mourinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Everyone is going to say Aguero>Zlatan. That's not a sure thing at all. If he was showing signs of decline because of his age then sure, you can say Aguero is better, but he hasn't showed signs of slowing down. Until he does, you can't just say Aguero is better. I think City has more depth, but depth only matters if you have injuries. If both teams stay healthy then United put out the better XI.

[–]krelmAndy Cole 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aguero has been league's best striker since he came. Zlatan is new to epl. I don't know how can you argue that Aguero isn't better?

[–]JayDevilK1993 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

GK: You already know

LB: Shaw

LCB: Smalling

RCB: Kompany (for now)

RB: Hmmm

CDM: Fernandinho

CDM: Pogba

CAM: KDB / Silva

LW: Martial

RW: Mhki

CF: Aguero (his reign of terror will end!)

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Stones,really?

[–]JayDevilK1993 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Smalling currently injured but yes normally would be him

EDIT: FTFY

[–]Moutaryan 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Pogba and Gündoğan aren't CDMs

[–]mattysimp27[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was originally box to box midfielders but it was easier to shorten it.

[–]Moutaryan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just use B2B. Better to be correct than to be convenient but I get you lol

[–]Cntz_be_like 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only in the CAM position City is ahead of us, rest its all us.

[–]CooldownReductionMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (15子コメント)

GK: De Gea

LB: Shaw

LCB: Stones

RCB: Kompany

RB: Even

CDM: Fernandinho

CDM: Pogba

CAM: Kdb/Silva.

LW: Martial

RW: Mhki

CF: Agueros.

5/5 with 1 even. Its very close!

[–]lamancha 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd rather have smalling tbh instead of Stones

[–]CooldownReductionMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

that wasn't the question though was it...

[–]krelmAndy Cole 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Both Zabaleta and Sagna are better than Valencia / Darmian.

[–]HuzaifaElahiTony Henry 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sagna for sure, not as clear on Zabaleta

[–]ihatelettuce2Mata 0ポイント1ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wtf...Stones? You havin a laugh?

[–]CooldownReductionMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sometimes you have to look passed United Bias and realize that Bailly hasn't had enough game time to say that hes better than Stones right now. I know we are hyped off of a couple of pre season performances but right now if you had to pick would be the better pick for just this one season Stones is where the smart money is.

Any defender playing for Martinez is going to look shit, but the boy has real talent and that's why Jose wanted him last season and Pep has got him this season.

Next season when both have played for their new teams for a full year it might be different, it might not, but Premier league experience is massive.

[–]ihatelettuce2Mata 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

What does Bailly have to do with anything?

[–]CooldownReductionMartial -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

The question was Bailly or Stones/Ottamendi not any United CB. Read the questions before throwing your toys out the pram..

[–]mattysimp27[S] -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

This one is a lot close to mine, only difference I realy had was LB but I agree that one could easily go your way if Shaw comes back from his injury well. Also RB I'd give to us.

[–]MoosjeMartial -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's no way that you can put Stones in there after last season... If we're putting potential in there, then you can change every position. And LCB doesn't near to be differentiated from RCB, just have two CBs: Smalling and Kompany.

[–]CooldownReductionMartial 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was basing this on right now, the choice was Bailly or Stones/Otamendi, Stones has played in the league for several years and has more experience. Bailly hasn't even completed a full first team season. Obviously Kompany and Smalling are better than both but that wasn't the question.

[–]MoosjeMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I get that, I just don't get why LCB and RCB has to be an option, and if it was, I'd rather have Blind than Stones currently.

[–]CooldownReductionMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just answered the question as it was posed.

[–]GroteBergMan98Memphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

GK: De Gea

LB: Shaw

LCB: Bailly

RCB: Kompany but always injured

RB: Valencia

CDM: Fernandinho

CDM: Pogba

CAM: KdB

LW: Martial

RW: Mkhitaryan

CF: Aguero

[–]CosmicGravyMemphis 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

De Gea is a much better keeper.

Shaw is better than Clichy, if he can get back to how he was pre injury.

Smalling and Kompany are pretty equal but Otamendi for the moment is better than Bailly or Blind. If they get Stones then they will have two class CB's to our one.

Fernandinho is miles better than any of our Defensive midfielders.

Pogba is better than all their CM's bar Gundogan who is amazing if he can hit the ground running.

They easily beat us out on Attacking mids.

Martial is much better than Sterling, not too sure about their new player who is in competition with Sterling though so for now I will just say we beat them out on that spot.

Depending on who we and they play out the right, they either win or we do. De Bruyne is better than every one of our RW's, even Mkhitaryan simply because he has proven how good he can be in the league. If Mkhi can hit the ground running then he is at least on par with De Bruyne and easily better than their other options but for now I would say they beat us for RW.

Aguero is clearly better than Ibra so that's another for them. Overall I would say our squads are pretty even on paper. A combined eleven would be absolutely monstrous thoigh, can't wait for the first derby.

[–]Phosbum -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

GK: De Gea

LB: Shaw

CB: Bailly (Stones is a wanker who's also overrated)

CB: Kompany

RB: Darmian

CDM: Schneiderlin

CAM: Silva

LW: Martial

RW: Mkhytarian

ST: Zlatan