Why MGTOW is Wrong: It Thrives on Anger and Defeatism

This isn't to criticize MGTOW, but to point out that they are being duped. For years I was a angry, bitter man. I was angry at how many women picked bad men over good men, how fathers were being mistreated in family courts, how the divorce laws were designed to favor women over men, and the constant lies of feminists being accepted as fact. All this made me give up on women and hate the world. But after a long time, I finally realized that I was falling right into the hands of the people behind this evil agenda. Let me elaborate:

This is no longer a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy fact that there are evil forces in the world that are hellbent on overthrowing marriage and family. If you take a good look at the system we live in--the divorce laws, the media, TV dramas, Hollywood movies, feminism etc--it is all designed to undermine love and commitment, and encourage promiscuity, infidelity, divorce, single motherhood etc. Not only that, but governments and radical feminists are pushing for more laws to be passed to further drive a wedge between men and women. For example, a police force near where I live in the UK have now made misogyny a hate crime. If a man so much as verbally upsets a woman, this can be reported as a hate crime and the police will investigate. And surprise surprise, the Chief Inspector embracing this new law just happens to be a feminist.

The education system, especially universities, is the breeding ground for feminist indoctrination. I know a woman who had a young female friend. Before this young lady went into university, she was a sweet lady who had no problem with men. After one year at uni, she had become a radical feminist who now hated men. I'm not saying that every woman in university is going to become a radical feminist, I'm just saying that the education system is largely responsible for turning a lot of sweet young ladies into angry, bitter feminists.

However, MGTOW is not the answer. The powers that be--the evil people behind this agenda--would like nothing more than for men to give up on relationships. When they see men getting angry at women and giving up on relationships, they sit back and laugh. That's exactly what they want. They want men to hate women. They want men to go their own way. It's all part of their evil scheme. The way to hurt these people is to do the opposite of what they want. They cannot tolerate people being happy. One thing these people can't stand is men and women getting along and being in a happy committed relationship based on love. Feminists, leftist liberals, and evil governments absolutely hate and loathe it. MGTOW accepts defeatism and only falls into the government's agenda.

So, what is the solution? The truth is, it's perfectly natural for a man to desire a woman. If you give up on women, you are allowing these evil parasites to deprive you of your happiness. There are millions of other men who will happily take your place. Giving up on women is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Deep down you do want a relationship, but you are allowing your anger and bitterness to get in the way. But here's the thing: don't look at women as the enemy, look at the people behind the agenda.

For me, the solution is quite simple. There are more and more women waking up to this reality and are rejecting feminism. There are plenty of women who now sympathize with men and can see the damage that feminism and the divorce laws are doing. You can also use the internet to reach out to women and send them videos that expose feminism and how there is a brainwashing agenda to divide men and women. There are many things that can be done, but the solution is not to remain single for the rest of your life and hate women. That's what the radical feminists and the government want. They hate happy families based on love and commitment. So please, understand that MGTOW is not the answer.


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What Girls Said 6

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    I'm just so over it all... feminists and the MGTOW movement both

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      Argument to moderation (Latin: argumentum ad temperantiam)—also known as [argument from] middle ground, false compromise, gray fallacy, and the golden mean fallacy—is an informal fallacy which asserts that the truth must be found as a compromise between two opposite positions.

    • 12h

      @Demon_King_Alastor That's very true.

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    Why do you hate feminist? It makes no sense?

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      The hidden agenda of feminism is to destroy the family and drive a wedge between men and women, which is exactly what feminism has done. They tell women that feminism just means equality, but the leaders of feminism and the government are using it to divide men and women and destroy the family unit.

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    • 9h

      @Love_Is_Eternal Don't forget the witchcraft.

    • 9h

      @Lasten1 "men got the vote because of the draft, " was just a bad excuse to deny vote to women. American citizens get the vote because they're adult American citizens, not because of the draft or the taxes.

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    This makes a lot of sense. Feminists annoy me so much, they ruin everything.

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    MGTOW is the dumbest saddest thing ever. I laugh every time I read some guys comments on how they think they are so brave and noble and awesome. Like its no loss for me lmfao so keep going your own way. Anyways cool take!

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    • 2d

      Lol this!

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    • 4h

      Take Owner he's actually right about men tending to be more successful (ironic huh) at suicide than women. I remember that from some psychology class I think. The reason is because men tend to use more direct or violent methods like using a gun or jumping off a bridge, where they can't change their minds. Women tend to use less direct methods like by trying to overdose with pills which doesn't always work and they can change their mind after taking the pills. Of course sometimes methods like shooting themselves doesn't always work, it's more likely to.

      I don't know if women have tried at a higher rate though. I do know women tend to have more mental health issues though, especially depression.

      I'm not trying to support a side. This is the first time I've heard of mgtow and I don't really even understand what it means. They resist relationships due to some kind of women issues?

    • 4h

      The passion is interesting and surprising though. 10 downvotes and only 3 upvotes? I wouldn't have guessed

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    I love this :)

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    I think MGTOW was born purely due to vindictiveness arising from a deep rooted sense of anger.

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      Then you are sadly misinformed.

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    • 10h

      @Rainie_ For a guy on the other hand the loss is rather large in comparison, especially when you consider the financial implication and the loss of access to one's child. Frankly there is 0 benefit for a guy to even be in a relationship or get married.

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      @Rainie_ if humans cannot be trusted, what is the point in getting into a relationship with them? Trust is the essence of a relationship, or at least a productive one. If you get into one with someone you can't trust, it will suck the life out of you. Therefore... MGTOW.

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  • 2d

    Excellent Take! I agree with this 1,000%! I've NEVER liked any of that MGTOW bologna either, it is definitely a defeatist movement. It's no different to me than the lesbian feminist movement of the 70s where they were trying to encourage women to go gay because it would be the only way women can achieve full happiness and empowerment. What a load of shit. MGTOW is similar. It weakens men and just ends up making women joke and laugh about it.

    Very well done Take. *high five*

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      Lol look at those blue down votes.

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      @musicbrain5 Yeah. I get regular pink downvotes too for slamming feminism or women having the right to have casual sex, lol.

    • 9h

      just gonna say this: violence between partners is as following: lesbians is the highest, heterosexual is in the middel and its lowest between 2 gay guy's...

  • 19h

    MTGOW guys wouldn't be MTGOW if they were getting pussy

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    • 18h

      Many of them are.

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      I get plenty of offers these days, unlike when I was young and actually wanted it.
      I have not touched a woman for almost 15 years.
      I would sooner put my head down a badger hole than open myself to the legal liabilities that come with women.
      There are currently four women in the MILF category who make eyes at me. One even feels me up when she gets a chance, just to be sure that I get the message.
      Now that you are 30 @Prof_Don you are about to observe a radical change in female behaviour.
      By the time that they are 35, it is the women who usually make the moves because the men are becoming thin on the ground and many are not particularly interested in women any more.

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      @cth96190 women are valued for youth, fertility and beauty. Whereas a man's attraction is broader in, us men have more options in becoming attractive. Women don't value sex like men do, women value relationships and commitment with alpha males but can't have that unless there really hot so just sleep with them then settle with a beta in his 30s.

      Women depreciate within time in value due to biology... men appreciate beyond and if they put in the good work.

      Men age like wine women age like milk.

  • 13h

    You're not even giving a actual argument for why men should marry. You're basically telling men to just "deal with it" and ignore all the hate against them. While women debate about "how obsolelte and useless men are" you're saying men should just accept that notion and be happy with it. That is completely idiotic.

    "it's perfectly natural for a man to desire a woman."
    Ok sure, men desire sex with women because if men didn't desire sex with women, they wouldn't strive to gain female affection and access to her eggs for reproduction. But just because, a man desires sex with a woman, doesn't mean he should let her hold a gun to his head (aka Marriage & Divorce)

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      Judging by the responses, it seems that most peope haven't paid any attention to what I actually said, which is what happens in most cases: people not actually taking the time to read the point of myTake and having a knee-jerk reaction. Not once did I say that men should ignore all the hate against them and just jump into marriage. Why twist what I said? Please go back and pay attention to everything that I said instead of misrepresenting and twisting things.

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    • 10h

      I like how you blocked me like a coward yet you're still going to insult me at the end. I guess this site has the same mentality as ever other social media site. When you lose the argument, simply block and ignore. I assume you're going to just block me on this account, so allow me to return the favor before you do so.

    • 5h

      @Mgtow4Life girls are always like that if they don't want to hear the truth they just block you when you mention the true nature of female hypergamy to them. All I want from women is for them to admit that they are all prostitutes so I can be happy and enjoy life.

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    You're a fool. You're guided by your illusions, enchantments and lack of perspective on reality. When NAWL (National Association of Women Lawyers) first introduced no-fault divorce legislation in California, ironically signed into law by white knight Ronald Reagan, divorce shot up to 75% and remained that way for a long, long time. Since that time, trillions of wealth have been forcefully transferred from men to women via asset division, alimony, palimony child support and civil suit payouts following false accusations. NAWL specifically wrote the no-fault divorce legislation to allow women to divorce their husbands while maintaining their now X husbands current and future assets and income. NAWL still brags about this 'achievement' on women's behalf.

    Where was the great protest to stop this annihilation of men? There wasn't one and there never will be one. Why? If you can't figure that out for yourself - then you're on a collision course with a disastrous existential crisis in your future.

    The government comes into power through the votes of its citizens. When there are enough voting for forced wealth and power transfer from others to themselves, which has been the case for many decades, then it all comes tumbling down. The founders knew this and predicted that the US would cease to exist when people finally figured out they had the power to do this via majority votes. You foolishly see government as some entity that just popped into existence instead of existing as a reflection of the majority vote - which doesn't bode well for your genetic line.

    Get a grip on reality and stop with the conspiracy theories. If none of the above convinces you, then look at the percentage of non-whites and single women vs white men that vote for Hillary this November. If you still don't get it after that, then you're a lost cause. Women and the white knights that support them have set up the system to be most beneficial to women and punishing to men that get out of line. If you don't know what gynocentrism is, then look it up.

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      It's still a conspiracy.

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      Just because women are able to do things legally doesn't mean they should. People can legally have a gun but they don't go around killing people for no reason. And I'm sure even if it was legal to kill someone no good reason most people wouldn't just do it. The elites are using the women, but if the women had any moral fiber in their beings they wouldn't be throwing men under the bus.
      I'm hardly mad at women for whatever other than saying stupid shit. I'm laughing right now because society is about to fall. I don't give a shit if I die I'll laugh while dying to watch women suffer. You reap what you sow and women sowed evil shit.

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      The black pope is controlled by Lucifer aka Satan. The black pope controls the world. There are secret societies. I know all about them but they aren't the reason who started all this it's the people both men and women who failed to follow morality/ the laws of the universe.

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    Im not a MGTOW by any means but I will still never ever get married. Its such a raw deal for a man. I know that in the current court system I would lose most of my house if I was married despite buying it when I was 18 and single. there's no reason a man would want to get married and women dont have enough scarcity power these days to bargin for marriage. Men on this site complain about how hard the dating game is but in cities one good man is worth 10 women. It seems for every average looking well off man there are 2-3 women who want him.

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      Over here in the UK I think they have recently passed a law where if a woman lives with a man for 2 or 3 years she is automatically entitles to half of his possessions even if they're not married.

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      some thoughts:
      -surely innocent until proven guilty? So surely the rape victim has to prove lack of consent. Its for the CPS and victim to prove that I raped them, not myself to prove that I didn't. They have the burden of proof surely?
      -Most cases fall through because of a lack of evidence. I experienced this myself when i was in a jury for a rape case last year.

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      Again - not for long. Affirmative Consent is now law on college campuses. Get accused as a man of sexual assault by a female student and you're as good as history - which they no longer accurately teach in college either. Safe spaces... trigger warnings... it's only a matter of time.

      Research the Ghomeshi trial in Canada. Despite what you may think of his sexual proclivities, or the love of violent sex by his female accusers, the women that united to bring him down deliberately concealed evidence in his favor, lied under oath and colluded. He'd be in prison right now were it not for his email backups. The feminist response? Separate courts specifically designed to mass imprison men following the wrath of a woman scorned. Why? I think you may be starting to get 'it'.

      The annihilation of uncompromising and uncooperative alphas, even more so than the destruction of beta males, is the female equivalent of pornography for women.

  • 1d

    MGTOW is the male version of feminism, masculinisme if you wish.

    Feminist vicious politicises are to be fought like any other ideology, by vote in elections and arguing against the stupidity. Feminism is just another bad ideology.

    The piratical solution, at the individual level is this, do be friends with or date feminist, just like any other political group you don't like. It's rather simple really.

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      If it weren't for feminism MGTOW wouldn't of existed so...

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    • 10h

      @Mrwoo99 Have you seen all those women complaining about men not marrying? It's hilarious.

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      @Mgtow4Life why maintain and buy a cow when you can go to the shop and get the milk.

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    I don't really know what it means. I have a healthy dose of misogyny, but I don't know what MGTOW means. What is it? Do they stop talking to women completely? Even the nice ones?

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    • 12h

      Look up mgtow sandman on youtube. He explain better than me.

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      @VeritechAce why what's wrong with sandman?

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      @Mrwoo99 I don't remember. I'm looking more for the philosophy behind it rather than individuals.

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    I still want to pay to watch all of MGTOW get together and have s big orgy , so I watch all of them fuck themselfs... I'm just a lesbian trapped in a mans body...

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    Feminism is for fat, ugly land whales with daddy issues

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    Dude I'm bitter with women as it is so I have no problem with this if you was rejected multiple times you would have the same mindset

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    Before I read your take I was expecting you to be one of those ultra dbag "male" feminist. However after I read your take you brought up some good points. You gate defeat hate with hate.

    The good news is that many women are starting to wake up to the insidiousness of feminism. These fem nazis have created a dynamic that hurts both men and women and only satisfies a very small, but very loud/determined/angry warped segment of women.

    However I have to say this. As men and good women we really DO need to stand against the liberal media, hollywood, feminist poisoned public education, liberal laws, etc. This crap IS destroying our culture.

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    What is MGTOW?

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    The only MGTOW I follow is Maximum Gross Take-Off Weight. Man am I an airplane geek. ✈️🤓🛫

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    Mgtow is not a bad thing, the problem is, like feminism the crazies are the face of the organization.

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      Crazy?
      Moi? :-)
      A left-handed artistic-creative personality and an IQ in the top 2 per cent, with PTSD, a major depressive disorder, social phobia and can tick most of the boxes for high-functioning Asperger's syndrome. . . but crazy. . . no. - lol

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      @foghornleghorn78, no kidding... MGTOW won't even organize a meetup let alone any kind of group. There was one that JohnTheOther did in Canada, and another that took place in London, but only a few guys went. Other that that, nothing.

    • 3h

      Go circle jerk it somewhere else.

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    Bitch on, bitches. Meanwhile, some of us are happily going our own way. No alimony for you. No child support for your little crotch goblins. My money stays in MY wallet. Yeah, I'll fuck some twats, but no way are they getting a relationship. We have left the plantation and we're not going back. Happy and free is the way to be!

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      Then you are falling into the hands of the peoplebehind this agenda.

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      "Yes there is an agenda. All this chaos between men and women hasn't happened by accident."

      You're right - but they're not called an 'agenda'. They're called 'voters' with an 'agenda'.

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      @myTake Owner - MGTOW merely rejects the notion that a man's sole existence is to provide resources for a woman. Once you realize that you realize how hollow the "man up" shaming tactic really is.

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    I am at the point that Love_Is_Eternal described in his opening paragraph.
    I also understand everything that he wrote after that, because I have been aware of the globalist conspiracy since I was 14 years old. It was the only rational conclusion to reach. The alternatives were, either: (a) the great and powerful men and women of the world had genuinely and collectively been that stupid for the preceding 300 years, or more; or (b) there was an unseen hand that had been directing everything
    The latter was the only rational conclusion.
    When I read Gary Allen's 1972 book None Dare Call It Conspiracy, all the pieces of the puzzle came together. Everything made sense and formed a coherent pattern. Only a moron could believe that world history was a series of random coincidences, when those events formed a pattern that headed in one direction and served the interests of one group of people.
    Feminism is an expression of Marxism. It was created by the unseen hand to drive a wedge between men and women, to destroy the family and cause fewer white babies to be born. To be sure, other races have been affected, but they were collateral damage, rather than the intended target.
    This is why feminism occurs only in white Western nations and why it demonises white heterosexual men.
    This is why feminists are silent about hordes of invading Muslim men raping women throughout Europe, but will march on the street and throw condoms filled with menstrual blood if a white heterosexual man has a crooked nail. I speak in metaphor, of course.
    Having said all that, I gave up on women not long after I turned 30.
    Like the author, I also saw woman after woman throw herself crotch first at players, dirtbags and sundry versions of the bad boy, while I could almost not get a date.
    The one serious girlfriend I had feigned a relationship with me, so that her parents would not suspect that she was maintaining a secret relationship with a bad boy of whom they disapproved.
    By the time that I turned 30, I was done. I assessed a data set of 15 years of rejections (and worse) and came to the evidence-based conclusion that I was wasting my time.
    Whatever it was that women wanted, it was clearly not me.
    So, I took a rational decision to walk away.
    Not long after, female group preference changed to favouring men who were more like me.
    I could fill a book with the way that women have made their interest plain for the past quarter of a century.
    For me, there is too much pain and resentment.

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      You are definitely one of the those men who was MGTOW before there was MGTOW. Too many people are shaming Men for going their own way. They are passing judgement on something without doing any homework. All to common these days. The Myth of Male Power by Dr. William Ferrell and Men on Strike by Dr. Helen Smith have written great books that clearly show the forces working against Men. Men are making a rational and fact based risk assessment and have concluded that getting married is just too risky. In my opinion, it will take something catastrophic to change things for the better.

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      @MagiAlphaOne As I said, if men reject women and remain single, they are just doing what the people behind this agenda want them to do.

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      @myTake, I think maybe what you're identifying as an agenda to break up men and women is not a goal in itself, but rather the consequence of other agendas. For example, moving women out of homes and into full time work to increase the tax base, lower wages, and increase consumerism. Encouraging divorce because it brings a boat load of money into the courts (see the movie Divorce Corp.). I don't think the specific goal is about driving a wedge between men and women; in the short term those political elite who push such agendas make money, but in the long term it will destroy civilization. Personally, I think we've already walked too far down this road. People do not change their attitudes (especially emotional people) unless they are faced with a serious existential crisis. However, if all you see in MGTOW is anger and defeatism, then you're only looking at the surface. Try looking deeper, or do it the hard way and have an existential crisis.

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    I think there really should have been a Completely different kind of "MGTOW" reformed and remade or completely rebooted and Properly redone as "Humans" OR "People" "Going Their Own Way" or that it really should meant a group where "Single People on this Planet That Completely or Totally Gave Up And Called It Quits On All Dating, Sex and Relationships or Marriage and Just Want To Talk With Other Similar People With the Similar or Same Situation but WITHOUT all of the blaming, and hating, jealousies, etc. towards Each Other as it's all tiresomely, unnecessary, unproductive, and utterly redundant".

    If people really really and absolutely TRULY want to remain single for the rest of their life and quit then LET THEM QUIT!

    Because that's what THEY TRULY WANT! If they WANT to QUIT, then let them QUIT! People that want to be QUITTERS are More Than WELCOME TO QUIT!

    Nobody can Control them anyway, it's their lives they decide what ever the fuck they want to do with it. Waste it, trash it, talk about it, have fun with it, whatever they want to do with it, it's entirely on them as nobody else can live their very own lives for them.

    However, blaming and pointing fingers at the other gender and constantly blaming each other isn't helping or making their situation any better for themselves and everyone else though, is it?

    There's plenty of other single people out there in the world more than ever now, and it's NOT JUST MEN and GUYS, si seriously C'MON! It INCLUDES EVERYONE but especially for those that had been chronically single, so really now my question really is what is up with all the constant blaming, grudges, intolerance, hatred, discrimination, envy or jealousies and/or prejudices toward each other? Why not put all of that shit aside for once and try a completely different kind if approach. They seem to be like another cliché "hate group" with people just blindly jumping on the band wagon and drinking the Kool-Aid without doubting and questioning it's purpose, meaning or cause and just signing up? And just pledging allegiance blindly to the flag of that group? I hope those guys look really deeper into it and Really Go Their Own Way and Not Follow the Crowd of MGTOW just to feel they're special or have a sense of just "belonging" to a group.

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      You may come to understand MGTOW when you are older and have experienced more pain than you have at this time.

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      SPOTPTCOTGUACIQOADSAROMAJWTTWOSPWTSOSS? No, the acronym MGTOW is awkward enough.

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      @VeritechAce

      Lol, it doesn't have to be an acronym. Just ideas and concepts. Open, available and flexible to ALL chronically single people on the planet. Instead of just single guys, divorced guys, etc.

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    It's the pendulum swinging back the other way as it always does. As long as we have a powerful, institutionalized hate movement like Feminism we will need a counter movement too it.

    Any women who thinks this isn't going to impact them, their daughters, sisters, etc.. in strong negative ways is being a complete fool! Don't believe me? Just look what Feminism has done to men! Nothing good is going to come from creating division, animosity, social war between the genders.

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      Yes, the pendulum has swung the other way. 70% of Men, 20-34 are unmarried. Women are following the Feminist plan and are delaying getting married. They go to College. GREAT! Start their Careers. GREAT! And they delay. NOT GREAT. And now they say, "Where have all the good men gone?" And its a GLOBAL problem for Women.

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    I don't believe most men going there own way actually hate women but I think they hate what women have done to them such has divorce, rejection, cheating and being accused of rape. I am not a MGTOW but in a way I sympthasize with some of there points. However, I also know a lot good faithful women who would never use the court of law against their children's father or do anything like cheat or divorce them and take every last dollar that the man holds.

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    Yes it does... SO DOES FEMINISM! You mentioned that and thank you. They are two sides of the same coin. Only feminism is WAY more well funded and politically connected. More women may be waking up to it, but we still have a long way to go.

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