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[Post-Matchday Thread] Leicester City 1 - 2 Manchester United (self.reddevils)

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This is post-matchday, not post-match. For measured opinion and different retrospection.

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HT: Leicester City 0 - 1 Manchester United

FT: Leicester City 1 - 2 Manchester United

Goals:

Lingard 31'

Vardy 51'

Ibrahimovic '82

Stats

Stat Leicester City Man Utd
Possession 42% 58%
Shots 10 9
On Target 2 6
Blocked 3 1
Corners 7 2
Offsides 1 4
Fouls 10 10
Passing % 75% 82%

MOTM - Eric Bailly

Match Thread

Post-Match Thread

BBC Report

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Next Match: Bournemouth (A) - KO 13:30 BST, Sunday 14th August - Premier League

Possible Talking Points

  • Which players stood out for you, be it for the right reason or the wrong?

  • Based off this game are you happy with the squad or would you seek further reinforcements?

  • What is your current view on starting XI?

  • What is your view on improvements needed in style?

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[–]exxpiredDe Gea 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jose needs to do something about Rooney and Ibra both dropping back deep.. I mean Ibra was in defense a few times, no one was further forward.

[–]omegaxLoLAnder Herrera 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He mentioned in the post match interview that the team has to be the one creating for Ibra, not vice versa, and that it's something they're still working on. With Pogba joining, I think that is huge in terms of fixing that problem.

[–]paulisback-inpogform 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jose said Zlatan is slower and not a danger 40-50 yards out like Vardy but needs the team to be more dominant and play higher to generate chances within range for him to finish off.

Though it seems to me like him dropping deeper is almost intentional. On attack we play a 4-2-2-2 at times where the pacey wingers (Martial & Lingard) are asked to tuck in and make striker's runs while Zlatan and Rooney set up plays.

The width seems to come from having very high fullbacks (Shaw and Valencia) who make constant overlapping runs in the final third.

Which is covered by the holding midfielder dropping into CB and the CBs playing like fullbacks - Bailly and Blind both have a lot of experience playing as a RB and LB respectively and seem to occupy those channels.

I think Valencia's definitely been given more freedom to bomb up since Bailly's covering his flank whereas Shaw's been asked to protect Blind a little more against a fast breakaway.

[–]WHiTeCHIICK 9ポイント10ポイント  (6子コメント)

  • Bailly stood out for me.
  • I'm happy with the current squad (Including Pogba)
  • I like the starting XI apart from Rooney.
  • Rooney & Zlatan shouldn't be playing at the same time, both drop too deep.

[–]paulisback-inpogform 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm happy with the current squad

This might sound absolutely mad to say considering we've spent over 200m on CMs since SAF but we still desperately need a Carrick replacement.

All these transfers and he's still our best distributer and passer. He makes our entire team tick and sets the tempo. But he's obviously way past his best and - at times - his lack of athleticism can be an issue. We can't hold the ball or string together 5 passes without him but we get overrun against any strong pressing side with him.

If we play him (which we basically need to do) we really need to protect him like Juve protected Pirlo.

The only other player who can play his role is Blind who's time and again shown he's a considerable step down in quality from Carrick.

The only problem is Marchisio, Modric, Kroos & Veratti aside I can't think of many elite players that fit his profile at all and none of these players are within reach.

[–]Launch_a_poo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

  • Bailly was good and I think he'll start to calm down as he settles

  • I found alot of the time, when Zlatan dropped back, Rooney swapped with him and was the furtherest forward player. I assume Zlatan dropping back will be less of a problem as we get into the season and the team have played together more

[–]DasBeerHausDe Gea 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

Bailly was stealing and blocking balls left and right. His technical ability is under rated.

[–]bagombos_enough_boxFat Ronaldo 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Underrated by whom? Everyone fuken loves him.

[–]DasBeerHausDe Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

His technical ability is underrated. I've seen people say he's raw.

[–]StormyJMasterPogba 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very happy with Bailly.

[–]IDespot90Jose Mourinho 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Unpopular but Felaini was good except error, Rooney as n 10. wont work. Team in general lacked fitness hope we get them ready for Sunday and defense great game.

[–]YMMVSPSFDCantona 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's interesting to me, since I saw many moments when Fellani passed poorly, kept the ball too long, or took a safe, backward option instead of playing the ball forward into space.

To me, the horribly-weighted pass to DeGea was the dingleberry cherry on the shit sundae.

Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm not going to downvote you for it - but Fellani, to me, shouldn't have been on the pitch. He's had moments where I thought he might redeem himself - but by and large he frustrates me as much as Nani used to.

Was still great to see everyone run out and handling better-prepared opposition fairly well. Excited for the weekend.

[–]tocitusMemphis[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed about Fellaini. I thought he was one of our better players but that error was terrible (especially after excellent work in getting back to intercept the pass after an attempted Leicester counter)

[–]IDespot90Jose Mourinho 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mouriho said it was pitch fault more that his, so i would not go hard on him but he played big part of error.

[–]wh11Memphis 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's just deflecting to be honest. It was an extremely poor pass.

[–]TyperSniperKeane 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's only dawning on me how many times I said "That's it Bailly!"/"What a fucking tackle!"/"Yess Bailly unreal" throughout the match.

[–]Dave1711Januzaj 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fellaini to Pogba is going to be such an upgrade, he was like a deer in head lights at times when it came to moving the ball forward or getting it in attacking positions.

He had a solid game though did well defensively he'll be useful throughout the season should get plenty of game time.

[–]tocitusMemphis[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Defensively we're becoming more solid with every match. Still not the first-choice defence I'd like (nor the first choice team really) but they worked hard and Bailly looked fantastic for the most part. Shaw also did so well to keep Mahrez largely ineffectual and Blind was there to cover Bailly when he did occasionally let something past. With Smalling coming back into the team at some point in the future, I'll be pretty happy with the defence.

Attacking is still a concern though. Rooney isn't up to match speed yet and his passing was sloppy and decision making slow. Martial still hasn't kicked off the rust either and Ibra dropped so deep at times he was keeping Carrick company.

I'd really like to see a front four of Martial, Mkhi, Lingard and Ibra to see how they work because I don't see Rooney as an automatic starter anymore, although he definitely still has his various uses for the team.

The attacking play itself was, at times, nice with one-touch passing and movement but all too often it was still the same slow and safe transition from defence to attack that defined LVG's reign. It'll take a while I imagine before we see the unnecessary safe passes completely removed from their game.

Really looking forward to the Bournemouth match now and I think the team looks solid if not spectacular yet.

[–]paulisback-inpogform 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fellaini

I think he was one of our better players. This is a general point about football fans rather than this subreddit but I really don't like when fans blow one mistake out of proportion and discount an otherwise good performance.

Valencia vs Arsenal in the FA Cup is another example. Even LvG said that 1 mistake aside, he was the team's best player that match but 1 error led to months of abuse of the poor bloke and people acting like he was a shit, clueless defender constantly making mistakes and out of position.

I think the intercept was actually pretty good, had he put a little more juice on the pass people would be praising how well he did to snuff out a very promising attack.

Mourinho's opinion: Fellaini did not make a mistake, it was the fault of the pitch.

Goal: https://streamable.com/xy6e

Interview Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfh2DW73vPw&t=2m05s

Transcript:

"I think it's the mistake of the slow pitch."

"Before the game starts I put my hand on the surface and I thought, 'Wow, we are in trouble because we want a fast pitch and the pitch is really slow.'

"Good pitch but slow. I don't know if they put water on and the atmosphere killed the water immediately or if they forgot to do it but the reality is it was very slow.

"So Marouane gives a backpass and the ball slowed down and Vardy smells everything and is really fast."

[–]kw9403Rooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm actually happy with the team. De Gea, Shaw, Smalling, Bailly, Valencia, Schneiderlin, Pogba, Rooney, Mkhityran, Martial, Ibra.

The only one I'd replace with a transfer is Schneiderlin. I think that he's not the right player for the role we're going to play him for. If we take players like Matic as the standard or Wanyama, they are better at the role with Wanyama actually moving this summer. However I would like to see him given a chance to develop, he's more technical than both the others and if he improves his defensive game I don't see why not

[–]Moutaryan -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bailly was incredible but very rash, hopefully his decision making improves. Smalling and him would make a formidable partnership. Blind is incredible at reading the game

Martial looks a little off but he did start training late and I expect him to be back to his best a few games into the season

Rooney is always slow to start but I think he might actually be past it at this rate, I'd love to be proven wrong but we might be seeing him decline rapidly which is heartbreaking since he's undoubtedly one of the greatest to put on the shirt

After seeing how stagnant our midfield is Pogba can't come soon enough, we need someone willing to run from deep. Lingard did that for us in the last game and immediately we got results

Shaw is slowly getting back to his pre injury form and Valencia looks reborn

Can't wait for Bournemouth! I have a feeling Mkhi will start since teams love parking the bus against us and we need some creativity