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submitted by rahulthewall to /r/india
From the controversial posts over the last week here are the top posts that were brigaded off the front-page and consequently saw no discussion:

Politics

Crime

Please discuss these stories in this thread and keep the discussion to these stories alone.
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[-]sillyvijay 0 points - [removed]
Where's the one about a school banning Jana Gana Mana since it was not Islamic? Media goes to town with anti-Dalit stories without even waiting for police action or court proceeding info - of course, they are dealt as law and order issues - but that is not convenient for the Congress or the BJP baiters, is it?
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There are typically a lot of posts every week that get vote brigaded off the front page.
May I ask why all the ones that are highlighted in this thread are only those relating to criticism of the BJP or Hindutva?
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[-]unrave 6 points - [removed] (2 children)
I have always wondered why only stories with a particular political bent make it to this thread every week. And these are definitely NOT the top 10 most controversial posts of last week. How do these get selected?
[-]rahulthewall -4 points - [removed] (3 children)
The criteria is clearly mentioned
>here are the top posts that were brigaded off the front-page and consequently saw no discussion
> And these are definitely NOT the top 10 most controversial posts of last week. How do these get selected?
They are, you can check yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/india/controversial/?sort=controversial&t=week
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Can we include posts which got removed for minor reasons like "edited title"? Also posts which were in gray area i.e. probably not related to India?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/india/controversial/?sort=controversial&t=week
[-]an8hu 16 points (5 children)
I have come to detest killing of animals, but this "Gau Rakshak" charade has gone on long enough.
[-]parlor_tricks 5 points (1 children)
Yeah, this is ridiculous.
But what I think needs to be discussed is that at a glance there seems to be some traction.
Obviously we aren't the target audience (don't see too many people sharing gau rakshak meet up schedules). But it's creating news and therefore exposure.
I'm interested in knowing whether the response to these actions by Dalits - not moving carcasses- is happening, and if it's having an effect.
People are definitely feeling emboldened because the current political establishment i.e. BJP is making this a central issue. For example, in my Whatsapp group there was a discussion about how India is a Hindu state and others should show more respect to Hindu traditions and not just take advantage of its tolerance and abuse it at every opportunity. Not exactly forming groups of gau rakshaks and planning beatups but something like this would have been a fucking non-issue two years back. Why would we even discuss Hindu this, Hindu that in India?
[-]parlor_tricks 16 points
That's a pretty old canard though. I've seen it in my childhood and my parents generation and now recently again.
At some point it gets introduced to several arguments that point out that india isn't Hindu by constitution. Maybe it's unexpected to see it from your friends group?
[-]theplatform -4 points
But this is fulfilling the government's promise of creating new jobs
[-]pajeetiyengar -26 points (2 children)
I'm eating a burger each time I read about an attack against Dalits or Muslims by Hindu terorrists.
[-][deleted] 11 points (2 children)
Hindu Terrorists? Seriously?
[-]parlor_tricks 0 points (2 children)
What term would you use? (not sarcastic)
[-][deleted] 13 points (2 children)
Calling Goons would be pretty okay..I really hate when calling Terrorists "Muslim Terrorists" is not politically correct but somehow calling some goons "HINDU TERRORISTS" is okay..
[-]parlor_tricks 6 points (1 children)
Goons is pretty ok, someone else pointed out fundamentalists which I think is better, and not as far as terrorists.
That said - whether goons or not, this shit has to stop. My constant concern is that for stupid political points people have created a new monster.
[-][deleted] 8 points (1 children)
Exactly..Maybe in next years we will have caste specific rapists and much more to come..
[-]parlor_tricks 4 points (1 children)
Yeah. It's a slippery slope - at a time when the traditional minority party has Rahul Gandhi as its head, so is essentially defunct.
Ah crap, that means some new party is going to step into the vaccum and seeing the short sightedness of the new parties on the horizon this doesn't bode well. At least the BJP and congress care about the nation and have a high caliber of technocrats (I/we may make fun of the BJP line up, but many Are still among the top tier compared to a mayawati or bannerjee)
[-][deleted] 4 points (1 children)
I don't think BJP or Congress are any better than others..At state leadership level, both parties are as bad as regional ones..Maybe not as bad as SP or BSP but they both have used caste politics as much as others..BJP for years had Patidar stronghold and pampered them..Now when it came to bite them in ass, they are telling AAP and Congress are splitting society on basis of Caste..
[-]parlor_tricks 0 points
Oh I'm talking center. State is a different story.
[-]pajeetiyengar -9 points (2 children)
Goons is a euphemism to avoid confronting reality because it hurts fee fees. Goons is what you call people who are cartoon villains in children's TV shows, not how you describe Hindu organizations that use terror tactics like murder, assault, and mass rape to achieve a political aim.
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Reality..Okay, let's talk reality.. Those who assaulted Dalit Victims were from Backward classes and I know that probably won't sit well with your theory of Hinduism but reality is not what you think it is..
[-]turkishtowelie -5 points
ssshhhh.. you are hurting oldest and bestest religion's sentiments
[-]ymmajjet 3 points (1 children)
Hindu fundamentalists?
[-]parlor_tricks 2 points
I think that makes more sense.
[-]pajeetiyengar -15 points (1 children)
No rational person could be anything but serious about the thousands of murders and mass rapes committed by Hindu terrorist organizations and their backward followers every years.
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Thousands of Murders by Hindu Terrorist Organization? Since when did ISIS convert to Hinduism?
[-]bigvadapav -6 points
I do the same!
[-]short_of_good_length -4 points
gau rakshaks : Desi PETA
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[-]neoindian 7 points (3 children)
There are obviously a few missing from the controversial stuff...
But brigaded off?? Since when did a couple of votes become a brigade?
and it goes on and on....
btw the few that were missed here.
Edit : I am wrong, the upvote downvotes are in the 20's looks like.
[-]kumar_1985 2 points (2 children)
That's not how the upvote downvote works.The points you see are fuzzed out.
How is a comment's score determined?
According to the same principles as a submission's score.
A comment's score is simply the number of upvotes minus the number of downvotes. If five users like the comment and three users don't it will have a score of 2. Please note that the vote numbers are not "real" numbers, they have been "fuzzed" to prevent spam bots etc. So taking the above example, if five users upvoted the comment, and three users downvote it, the upvote/downvote numbers may say 23 upvotes and 21 downvotes, or 12 upvotes, and 10 downvotes. The points score is correct, but the vote totals are "fuzzed".
[-]neoindian 2 points (1 children)
Thank you for correcting me.
[-]parlor_tricks -4 points
thank you for being civil and sporting enough to say that to another forum member.
Too many times people just fight, and don't make space for the other person to feel free enough to say that. So thank you too.
[-]cra21k 2 points
I don't know why this post is being downvoted while the parent(it's factually incorrect) one is upvoted. The fact that explanation stating this(a mathematical fact) itself is being doent voted.
Screw this, the butt hurt people need to move on. If this keeps on happening. We'll only hear certain stories on the top (ones these brigades like)
[-]cra21k 5 points (1 children)
You have been a redditor for more than 3 years and still don't understand how the upvote/downvotes work. Let me explain this to you.
Reddit uses this simple formula
Total votes= (Upvotes - Downvotes)
Percentage upvoted = Upvotes / (Upvotes + Downvotes)
Now 3 examples of posts with 2 upvotes, and both about 50% upvotes
Eg 1: Like you mentioned, Upvotes= 3; Downvotes=2 ; percentage upvoted= ~60% (lets assume its 50)
Eg 2: Upvotes= 45; Downvotes= 43; Percentage upvoted= 51.36%
Eg 3: Upvotes = 2402, Downvotes= 2400; Percentage Upvoted = 50.02%
Now lets come to your claims made over here
Percentage Upvotes is 52%, and Total votes is 48. Thus Upvotes will be 25 and Downvotes will be 23
Percentage Upvotes is 54%, and Total votes is 37. Thus Upvotes will be 20 and Downvotes will be 17
Percentage Upvotes is 55%, and Total votes is 40. Thus Upvotes will be 22 and Downvotes will be 18
Percentage Upvotes is 52%, and Total votes is 25. Thus Upvotes will be 13 and Downvotes will be 12
btw the few that were missed here.
It was yesterday, not last wqek thus isn't in the post
repeated the same link (2nd link that you posted)
[-]ENTKulcha 2 points (1 children)
So what you are saying is they recieved more upvotes than downvotes??
[-]cra21k 1 points (1 children)
Of course they did but only single digits more(that's why the total vote was in single digit. Read what I have wrote once again). The up votes and down votes are almost identical.
[-]ENTKulcha -1 points (1 children)
More is more.. Even 1 or two.. I can understand simple maths i think..
[-]cra21k 0 points
Don't you get it.! There are also ton of people who are down voting. Which actually means despite lot of people who viewed the post and voted due to its score (which has become due large downvoting) these topics didn't get on front page. Thus were pulled our From major discussions.
[-]theplatform -5 points
I'm guessing maths isnt your strongest subject.
The 2 points from the first example could be from any number of votes considering reddit rounds off the percent score.
[-]an8hu 11 points (3 children)
C'mon people, I don't get the logic of people criticizing the post detailed here being of certain political bent.
When a group "A" downvotes certain threads en-mass, those threads usually end up in controversial, now when those threads are posted here, the group "A" decries them of being a certain political bent.
It's a vicious circle, and the lesson from it is, if you don't downvote viciously everything that doesn't subscribe to your political ideology, then you won't see it here, simple as that.
[-]ribiy 14 points (2 children)
Why are you blaming only the group A for making the posts controversial.
AFAIK, a post becomes controversial when there are lots of both upvotes and downvotes.
If the group B does not upvote such posts they won't be controversial anymore. :)
jkdon't kill me
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[-]bhiliyam 0 points
That assumes that group A and B have equal amount of members.
It does?
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[-]redweddingsareawesom -7 points
Or maybe Group B should downvote anti-Muslim posts so that those replace these ones. :)
[-]infidelator -3 points (2 children)
I don't see what the problem is. Every post is picked from the controversial queue. Controversial means posts that have a high number of votes but still have a low score overall.
If every post in that queue is anti-BJP, it simply means that BJP supporters on this subreddit are downvoting every post critical of their party.
And now on RSS and Assam (one of the threads mentioned here), read this: http://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/intro-the-sanghs-stolen-child-crusade/297609
Child trafficking by RSS and complete silence from the likes of Arnab Goswami and the BJP supporters on this subreddit.
[-]Earthborn92 6 points
Just checked the controversial list for last week, you're right. Mods are just reposting those stories for visibility. There doesn't seem to be bias as nearly all those stories are about BJP.
Now whether this reposting is needed when anyone can see the controversial queue for themselves is arguable.
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भाई क्यों पिटवाने के काम करवा रहा है।
[-]parlor_tricks 5 points (2 children)
So here's a question - are these topics not worth discussing on their own merits? I know it's fun to talk about why don't talk about it, but that's not the same as discussing any of those topics.
[-]Ngotha 2 points (2 children)
Since you asked, it only looks like some agenda is being flogged and it's not even being opaque about it. There seems to be no logical consistency to why each post is selected. The top controversial for last week is some memey post about 2002, the number 4 is something about propaganda effectiveness of BJP, I remember two weeks ago, the top controversial post was critical of AAP...
Because of this obvious bias, the whole purpose of this thread is lost. It might make more sense if you guys said "top 10 controversial by week will make it here by default".
[-]parlor_tricks -6 points (1 children)
Obvious bias?
I took a straight look at controversial the day that this thread was made, and these were all links from there.
If an objective reproduction of the page has an issue for you to consider it an agenda, then there's really no intellectually honest discussion to be had with you.
Edit: The controversial que sorts as of the week counting now. Thats what accounts for the change.
But jumping to the conclusion that there is an obvious bias is just being deceitful.
Even with the change in time stamp, the top controversial threads are all still on the same topic. The point of it isn't to bash X party. Its to ensure that some particularly insidious front page gardening is put a stop too.
If the controversial que updates and becomes organic, then thats a good thing.
edit 2: Gj.
In case you have again not done your background research, theres a reason we are showing the controversial que, and it has nothing to do with you, the BJP or any party.
It has to do with r/india, and manipulation of the front page. This was the one way we had to deal ensure that we could counteract the inorganic effect.
Thank you, for jumping the gun.
And I asked a fair simple non partisan question - which you converted into mod bashing.
[-]mera_apna_account 2 points (1 children)
I took a straight look at controversial the day that this thread was made, and these were all links from there.
No it wasn't. I took a look, and these were not the top controversial posts. Even the guy who posted this thread said that it's not a direct copy of the controversial posts, they choose the posts using their discretion. Check the deleted comments if you don't beleive me.
[-]rahulthewall -4 points (1 children)
Read the thread and stop lying. There are screenshots in this thread that disprove your claim.
The threads were taken from the first page of the controversial queue.
Since you seem to be too lazy to read, here you go:
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[-]rahulthewall -15 points (4 children)
Give me a fucking break. You are doing nothing more than blatantly lying.
The top controversial for last week is some memey post about 2002, the number 4 is something about propaganda effectiveness of BJP
Both these posts were made after I made this post.
It might make more sense if you guys said "top 10 controversial by week will make it here by default".
This is exactly what happened after I made this post and there are multiple comments in this post that point that out.
Yet, people like you are simply ignoring this and downvoting anyone who points this out.
See for yourself.
The only bias that exists is in your head.
[-]mera_apna_account 5 points (1 children)
On the first day of this post, you claimed that posts here are not from the controversial queue, and you selected the posts that were brigaded off the front page. You then deleted that comment. Anyone who wants to can check the deleted comments using unreddit.
Don't kid yourself, you are the liar here.
[-]rahulthewall 0 points (1 children)
From the controversial posts over the last week here are the top posts that were brigaded off the front-page and consequently saw no discussion
Did you bother reading the very first sentence of this post?
From the controversial posts over the last week here are the top posts that were brigaded off the front-page and consequently saw no discussion
Can't read and trying to call me a liar.
[-]mera_apna_account 2 points (1 children)
What exactly are you trying to say here? Someone asked you the exact same question on day one - why are posts here are not from the controversial queue. You said that they weren't and, they were posts that were brigaded off the front page, your posts are not directly taken from the controversial queue. I asked how you decide brigading, and you simply deleted the comments.
You personally claimed on day 1 that these posts were not directly off the controversial queue, and were posts brigaded off the front page. Now you are claiming that these are an unbiased representation of that queue. Which one is it?
One more thing, when the time comes to make this post next week, will you be posting posts that top the controversial queue at that time? People will be checking, you know.
[-]rahulthewall 0 points (1 children)
The posts are from the controversial queue.
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[-]Ngotha 8 points (3 children)
Calm the fuck down.
Both these posts were made after I made this post.
How the fuck should I know? I simply selected controversial, week and posted the results. Not everything is some gigantic conspiracy you know.
Second a month or so ago the top controversial post was critical of AAP, I pointed it out to you, my post waa simply deleted. So please spare me the advice.
The only bias that exists is in your head.
Sure, just like the bias in your head. Everybody is biased, and nothing wrong there.
Yet, people like you are simply ignoring this and downvoting anyone who points this out.
I don't downvote, so please spare me the "you downvote" comments.
[-]spikyraccoon -9 points
Because of this obvious bias, the whole purpose of this thread is lost.
Everybody is biased, and nothing wrong there.
Pick one or the other. You cannot say both.
[-]rahulthewall -15 points (4 children)
Calm the fuck down.
I don't see a reason to be calm when you and your ilk run amok with false accusations.
How the fuck should I know?
By looking at the timestamps. That's a thing.
Second a month or so ago the top controversial post was critical of AAP, I pointed it out to you, my post waa simply deleted. So please spare me the advice.
Link?
Sure, just like the bias in your head. Everybody is biased, and nothing wrong there.
As a former RSS pracharak, you are the very eptiome of bias. Go and do your prachar and spare me the lecture.
[-]scarsasm 22 points (2 children)
you and your ilk
Who are his ilk? I see him responding to you correctly or incorrectly but you are losing your shit for reasons that are NOT relevant.
As a former RSS pracharak
None of your fucking business. Counter his arguments and sit your ass down.
you are the very eptiome of bias
Go and do your prachar and spare me the lecture.
Way to fuck a conversation. You post something on an forum, somebody replies to it and when you say this?
Think rationally, does any of this sound alright to you?
[-]theplatform -11 points - [removed] (1 children)
Shh..the guy is a known bjp badhat on the sub
[-]scarsasm 10 points (1 children)
But...but why? Why would he have a personal issue with BJP?
In fact a lot of people here are either really really Pro or anti BJP, AAP and some congress. I really don't understand why.
I mean all of them screw all of us like we're 18. And all of them do some good stuff time to time. Then why are people here so much in one or the other camp?
Congress did globalization. Congress good. Congress did commonwealth. Congress bad.
BJP did gau rakshak stuff. Bjp bad. BJP pass GST. BJP good.
Aap didn't give the proof it had promised against dikshit and vadera. Aap bad. Aap did even odd. Aap good.
Why is this so hard for some people? Apna ego political alignment se jodkar ghanta na milega. I wish people were more united against political shit instead of becoming andhbhakts of all kinds and varieties
[-]theplatform -10 points (1 children)
The problem this sub is having is not from opinionated users but from paid political shills who are brigading threads.
[-]scarsasm 8 points
Who will pay to have opinion of barely couple of thousands (active users on randia) people impacted?
[-]rahulthewall -11 points (1 children)
Who are his ilk?
The users on this thread who are downvoting every comment pointing out that there was no bias in selecting the threads. We picked the top threads from the controversial queue.
I see him responding to you correctly or incorrectly but you are losing your shit for reasons that are NOT relevant.
Irrelevant to you, but when the the user in question calls me biased falsely, I will lose my shit. This is not the first time he has done so. He has a huge chip on his shoulders and he will be called out of it.
None of your fucking business. Counter his arguments and sit your ass down.
If he calls me biased falsely, I will point out his ideological leanings which colour his decision making.
You don't see the irony in him calling me biased falsely. Obviously.
Way to fuck a conversation. You post something on an forum, somebody replies to it and when you say this?
I will say it because the user in question jumped to false conclusions and failed to acknowledge his mistakes even when it was pointed out multiple times.
Think rationally, does any of this sound alright to you?
False accusations will be countered. I don't care.
As for his ilk, you can see them in action right here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bakchodi/comments/4woksr/rahulgandu_roasted/
[-]scarsasm 5 points (1 children)
The users on this thread who are downvoting every comment pointing out that there was no bias in selecting the threads.
They are users with an opinion different from yours sir. Doesn't necessarily mean they are an 'ilk'. Right?
Irrelevant to you, but when the the user in question calls me biased falsely, I will lose my shit. This is not the first time he has done so. He has a huge chip on his shoulders and he will be called out of it
Maybe as someone we new users look at as someone who's example we could follow, more is expected out of you. Name calling at this point should be definitely beneath you. Specially since its s rule that you have to enforce.
As for his ilk, you can see them in action right here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bakchodi/comments/4woksr/rahulgandu_roasted/
I still haven't understood what that sub is. Somebody tagged me and I made a post too about a user's hypocrisiy but this is a different conversation. I have no idea what they mean by roasted and calling you names. I'm sorry about that. Sincerely.
[-]rahulthewall -3 points (1 children)
They are users with an opinion different from yours sir. Doesn't necessarily mean they are an 'ilk'. Right?
There really is no opinion here. If downvotes are on facts and every comment substantiating said facts, then it is merely an ilk or a fan club.
Maybe as someone we new users look at as someone who's example we could follow, more is expected out of you. Name calling at this point should be definitely beneath you. Specially since its s rule that you have to enforce.
That's not really possible when blatant lies are upvoted and you are abused for stating facts. Or even when the person lying refuses to accept that he was mistaken.
I still haven't understood what that sub is. Somebody tagged me and I made a post too about a user's hypocrisiy but this is a different conversation. I have no idea what they mean by roasted and calling you names. I'm sorry about that. Sincerely.
It used to be a fun sub, but now it is just a collection of butthurt sanghis.
[-]scarsasm 1 points
There really is no opinion here. If downvotes are on facts and every comment substantiating said facts, then it is merely an ilk or a fan club.
See you don't know that. Nobody can know that unless you have gone over exactly who is upvoting or downvoting what. Or maybe as mods you can see, I don't know.
The corollary of your argument is that every upvoted post that you've ever made has been upvoted then by your ilk.
These kind of allegations serve no purpose and should be kept out of a conversation.
That's not really possible when blatant lies are upvoted and you are abused for stating facts. Or even when the person lying refuses to accept that he was mistaken.
That's up to you. All I could do was suggest what I thought would be the right thing to do.
[-]psysaucer 11 points (1 children)
As a former RSS pracharak, you are the very eptiome of bias. Go and do your prachar and spare me the lecture.
ad hominem: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
damn you moddie
[-]PatterntheCryptic -5 points
Fallacy fallacy - Claiming there exists a fallacy when there is none.
OP wasn't even making the point in support of any argument. And how is it against the position? He's literally agreeing that the guy is biased.
[-]Gymbody_Jambulingam 5 points
Do you disagree with his statement that everyone is biased, and you have a certain bias?
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> I don't downvote, so please spare me the "you downvote" comments.
Lol, every reply to yours is instantly upvoted by 3 votes and every reply of mine is instantly downvoted by 3. Either you got a fan club or you're just so pathetic that you use multiple accounts to downvote. Probably the latter, given your blind bias towards Modi.
Do you mean to say that you are unbiased to a fault, visavis Indian Politics?
[-]rahulthewall -3 points (2 children)
That was not the question, the question was have the posts been selected in a biased manner or not.
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Ah. Why don't you post a screenshot of the controversial queue at the time during which you are making this post next week around. This will give my legitimacy don't you think?
Also, why do you always seem so wound up, like your life depends on all these arguments? Relax mate and have a wank maybe.
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Chill dude. Toadies gonna toad
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[-]scarsasm 0 points (1 children)
Here's another question - How is the last headline related/relevant to India?
[-]parlor_tricks 15 points (2 children)
A man from India groped a sleeping woman's private parts on a Virgin America flight to Newark Saturday
did you read the article?
[-]sillyvijay 3 points (1 children)
an isolated incident involving one of its citizens has to be main issue for a country?
[-]parlor_tricks -1 points
If you want to discuss what is important and what is not, I suggest making a separate thread under the parent question.
If you nest it down here it looks very weird when I check the message que, since the comment you are responding to has nothing to do with your comment.
[-]scarsasm 2 points (1 children)
While you are playing checkers :)
[-]parlor_tricks 8 points (1 children)
I edited the comment to convert it to a question, since we are answering questions with questions, are we not?
Also from the article
The resident of Visakhapatnam, India, was arrested shortly after the flight touched down at Newark.
He was released on a $50,000 secured bond Monday and faces up to two years in prison and a $250,000 fine if convicted of felony abusive sexual contact, prosecutors said.
And bonus weirdness:
"The victim awoke to find defendant Kunam's hands massaging her ...
"Defendant Kunam was also rubbing his bare feet against the victim's bare feet," the affidavit alleged.
.....
[-]scarsasm 4 points (1 children)
Haan be gire huye ko laat marte jaao.
I asked a question. Got an answer. Peaced the fuck out of here. But aap ko to man hai pelne ka. So go on, quote the rest of the fucking article as well.
[-]parlor_tricks 1 points (1 children)
Arey, I read it to the end, and it had bonus stuff. Yaar, everything is not war.
[-]scarsasm 5 points (1 children)
wahhi to main keh raha hoon.
since we are answering questions with questions, are we not?
Tone kaisi lag rahi hai aapko?
I dont know why everyone is on so much edge now a days. Pyar mohabbat se baat hi nahi karta koi yahaan :(
Edit: In response to your original question though, I tried to take discussion back on track. See the most downvoted comment on this thread.
[-]parlor_tricks 5 points (1 children)
This thread will do that. Most people assume that there is some war afoot. Mostly its demographics and people being exposed to things that hurt them, one way or the other.
Nothing is going to happen by being on edge though, so being chilled out is pretty good.
[-]scarsasm 6 points
Most people assume that there is some war afoot.
Lol, wouldn't that make us 'internet keyboard warriors' like literally, genuinely?
Mostly its demographics and people being exposed to things that hurt them, one way or the other.
If you promise to not ban me for meta, I will say this, Take a good look at the threads. Now a person who has been on randia for a while might know whats going on with the history and background and all, and ye mods have been here a long time, so the perception you have, with a broader context is different from us plebs.
New redditors like me who come on this thread and look at all the topics being resurrected from the grave - is it that difficult to see the common theme?
See I am not saying that you guys are forcing your bias (everybody has one, don't deny it). Spelling it out loud just in case its not clear.
What I am saying is its not difficult to think why people would think so that you are helping a narrative.
Another problem - Same stupid shit goes on here everyday. Exact same Shit. Recycled, repackaged. What are we, preaching to the converted?
Sala everybody has added an ideology that they don't know shit about, to their ego, and no matter what they fucking support that.
"Life me problems hain, so to escape that, fuck I am gonna be edgy on the internet and fight war for something I actually don't give two shits about"
Anyways, I hope people did something good in real life that helped people and then posted about it here. that would in turn inspire the new randians as well and we can be the start of something good.
Can you please open a scheduled thread which says, "what did you do actually for the betterment of society last week?"
[-]scarsasm 4 points (2 children)
Since the discussion here has turned full meta (yours truly involved as well) , let me get the discussion back on track by pasting summary of the first news article:
Goons of the Sri Rama Sene barged into a Mangaluru school on Saturday and forced the headmaster into cancelling the extra-curricular Arabic classes.
About 30-40 activists of the Sri Rama Sene barged into a classroom of the St. Thomas Aided Higher Primary School, Neermarga, which is located about 20 km from Mangaluru city.
Until last year, they also taught French and German, but they were cancelled due to lack of staff.
They all just walked in and began making noise, shouting about imposing Muslim culture, and taking photos and videos of the students.
He appeared to be unaware that schools and universities in India teach Urdu, Arabic and Sanskrit languages.
WHAT, the FUCK, Ram sena? Don't you have like bills to pay or jobs to go to or collect chanda for Dusshehra?
Is this what you worry about when you sleep or is it to distract yourself from the failure that is your lives?
[-]parlor_tricks 1 points (1 children)
Today though Modi has a front pager in the ToI calling out Gaurakshaks, and supporting Dalits - "they will have to shoot me first".
Glad that it got his attention enough to make some of his strongest statements on the topic yet.
[-]parlor_tricks 1 points (1 children)
Heh.
Cynically - I suspect there was a realization that this was causing actual and serious damage to the party credibility and vote base.
But that's sort of how this is supposed to work. If you want to win, you have to take care of more than just yourself.
And this is a good clear message, so it should result in good compliance. Hopefully this crap ends soon.
[-]scarsasm 3 points (1 children)
I would disagree a bit there. Primarily because I am sort of lost on this one.
Cynically - I suspect there was a realization that this was causing actual and serious damage to the party credibility and vote base.
Nope. BJP doesn't care about voters like me who actually worry about that sort of thing when they have voters like some of my friends who would defend BJP if they went ahead and murdered people and pillaged villages and raped the inhabitants in front of their eyes.
Votes is not why this happened. This sort of announcement actually makes them take a stance against their own voter base.
Is this the peak time of such news? No. Its a little delayed. So Modi ji did not suddenly have a change of heart.
UP elections? Nope. If this would be Delhi election time or even Bengal or NE I would make that connection, but UP doesn't care. They are the frontline of Gau rakshaks and Dalit tormentors.
So why all of a sudden? Without any tangible benefits.
See what I am saying? I can't figure this out. Modi ji has become like Dhoni ji. No one knows what's going in his head right now.
Irrespective of the why though, I'm really glad it happened. This was long due. This is what a leader should have done. This is how he is keeping my respect for him
[-]parlor_tricks -1 points
Yeah thats a pretty decent argument honestly - theres no major political polling going on right now that I know off. so this message has a lot more credibility.
[-]MyselfWalrus -9 points (2 children)
Don't you have like bills to pay
This is what pays their bills.
[-]scarsasm 0 points (3 children)
Can you explain these downvotes? I don't think we are saying something wrong here
[-]PatterntheCryptic -5 points
Simple - butthurt that they can't do anything about these posts here. Same reason why the post is 47% upvoted despite being a sticky.
[-]ENTKulcha 0 points
You aren't!
Most of these people who form the groundforce are jobless 'nithalas' as they say.. They misappropriate the funds collected for the uploftment of religion.. In turn bringing a bad name to hinduism.. They are as bad as terrorsits are for muslims.. They haven't and will never achieve anything fruitful.. The controversy and their limelight will die off sooner or later..
If not. What's the alternative? More radicalization and polarization.. Leading to a much bigger win for 'BJP'. So i guess we'll just have ti wait and see..
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[-]cra21k 0 points (1 children)
These are the controversial post in the last week(barring the ones which are 1 day old and one with ample discussion) most of the posts are what this sticky is talking about.
If you feel all the posts here are of certain bais then. Plese point out other controversial posts from last which which didnt make it here instead of down-voting this to oblivion
[-]ENTKulcha 1 points
The post is sticky.. Wont go into oblivion
Lol at this post topping itself topping the controversial list.
[-]ribiy 2 points
Contraception.
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OP, are you against BJP or something?
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Cowman news
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[-]Mycroft-Tarkin -2 points (2 children)
There appears to be something in common in most of those posts...
[-]parlor_tricks 10 points (1 children)
Well the commonality has nothing to do with the specifics of the articles themselves though.
I think some of them deserve discussion on their own right. Not because of their voting patterns.
[-]rorschach34 -9 points
You want discussion? Just post a molestation news where the perpetrator is a Muslim. It'll be upvoted to the front page.
God forbid, there be a rape perpetrated by a Muslim, there will be ample discussions. Lots of comments with 100+ upvotes would start asking Muslims why they create problems wherever they go while conveniently ignoring the many rapes committed by Hindus everyday.
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these post were mass downvoted by NamoArmy and Modi toadies.
My post was also downvoted.
https://np.reddit.com/r/india/comments/4vb3yt/lol/
[-]rorschach34 -5 points (3 children)
Regarding the last incident which talks about an Indian groping a woman. I really wonder why 58 year olds from a rich, upper middle class family with lots of life experience would resort to such things.
Why do they think that they would get away after doing such things?
Edit - Why is this post being downvoted? I am not criticising BJP here !!
[-]rahulthewall -3 points (1 children)
Rich dies not mean educated. There are quite a few rich folks who don't understand the concept of consent.
[-]redweddingsareawesom -3 points (2 children)
Lol, a completely innocuous, non-controversial comment vigorously downvoted.
Looks like a certain group really hates you.
[-]I_DONT_LIE_MUCH -1 points
Even you're downvoted. It's almost like some people here take an online forum too personally, there was absolute no reason to downvote you other than a personal issue.
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[-]redweddingsareawesom -4 points
I don't believe this is his first time. He probably got away with doing it a lot of times before (probably not on a plane though). Its highly unlikely that you suddenly become a molestator/sexual assaulter randomly at 58 years.
[-]ENTKulcha 0 points
He is pretty influential guy too.. Last comment on the original post has his business profile linked..
[-]DWP_Guy -6 points (1 children)
Why 0 points and 73 comments? Is it bcoz its a mod/bot post?
Edit: why the downvotes bc?
[-]swacchreddit 13 points (3 children)
Because it is percieved that these weekly mod posts are biased in what articles the mods choose to highlight.
Comparing the list above with the full list of controversial posts linked by /u/rahulthewall it appears that there are many more posts that got buried but the handful of topics listed in this thread are only those relating to something negative about the BJP, Hindutva or cow protection. The discussions are also along the same lines.
Basically, this thread feels like an echo chamber of left-wing politics.
[-]mwzd 6 points
Basically, this thread feels like an echo chamber of left-wing politics.
It's not just the thread, it's the whole subreddit.
[-]parlor_tricks 1 points (1 children)
all of the topics on this thread were taken from the controversial que as of date of posting. At time of posting I personally looked at the front page of controversial and aside from a few memes and daily life type questions - the links shown were faithful and objective.
The full list is pretty much the same.
Discussions on BJP and cow protection were pushed down inorganically. We have stated so when these threads were first made.
I have no issue if voting is organic. If r/india wants to be itself, thats fine. If someone wants to decide what people see and don't see by manipulating votes, thats not at all OK.
Since this thread has been alive for now more than a few days, the controversial que has changed - AND those posts which were intentionally bumped down have hopefully had some votes restored.
[-]swacchreddit 2 points (1 children)
I made a comment in this thread where I referred to the same list of controversial posts from the OP and highlighted several different topics, unrelated to Hindutva or BJP, that were similarly buried with downvotes but were never listed here.
I never got any reply and instead my comment has been removed after getting 7 upvotes, as if some mod didn't want it to be seen.
Do you have an explanation for this?
[-]parlor_tricks 0 points
I know your comment, and as I recall, none of the links you mentioned were on the first page of controversial que, which is why they weren't shown.
But I have no issue with just a list of other posts pushed off of the page.
As stated again and again - the issue is with a few people inorganically changing vote patterns in certain directions. We want that effect to be negated.
Prejudging the list and assuming it has to do with prejudice on the part of the mods, and using languange in your post to frame it in that manner by discussing meta makes it worse.
Theres several people in this thread who took a look at the que without any input from us and concluded that we had just chosen links from there.
And you will get upvotes from a lot of users who already believe that this is some sort of mod driven agenda.
No, its not.
[-]cra21k -7 points (1 children)
These are the controversial post in the last week(barring the ones which are 1 day old and one with ample discussion) most of the posts are what this sticky is talking about.
There were other posts here too but many are a day old(this post was made for last week). Some of the controversial post have ample discussion too(10 or more comments).
At least thats what I could decipher from the post. Which were that post which were missed. Please mention them so that we can add them to the list too.
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[-]shbharide -2 points
These gau rakshak are just a false charade...!! In many parts of maharastra gau rakshak take money for safe passage of cows for sale(not for slaughter) its just a business for them..!!
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