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Denuvo bypass fixed. Pirates can't activate the cracked games anymore (self.pcgaming)

MadchiefHU が 投稿

Voksi, the cracker who succesfully bypassed Denuvo and released cracks for several games in the last 3 days, has confirmed that the method no longer works. Denuvo broke the activation method they used, therefore the pirated games can no longer be activated and users who have already activated the bypass can only play until the next Denuvo activation check.

Yet again, Denuvo remains uncracked

Source: 1, 2

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[–]N4N4KI 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

<speculation>

Now the question is, are they now running separate keys/signatures for each game (as it spoofed the doom demo as each game that was bypassed)

or did they just change the doom demo.

if it was just the doom demo rather than having separate keys for each game, then we may see another bypass that requires you to legit own one Denuvo game.

<\speculation>

[–]Nettwerk911 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not just the pirating itself that was bad but it was also they could play online with the games

[–]baddazoner 27ポイント28ポイント  (123子コメント)

600k people pirated in 3 days

this is why companies use drm

doom is even half price atm and has a demo to try before you buy

[–]Sephy88 17ポイント18ポイント  (15子コメント)

Even at half price it's still € 30, which is a lot for countries in Eastern Europe so I can see why a lot of people will pirate anyway. Not everyone has the disposable income that we have in Western Europe or North America and Steam and most publishers have done very little to set fair prices for everyone.

[–]ShiroQ 45ポイント46ポイント  (88子コメント)

600k that would never have bought the game

[–]AnonTwo 20ポイント21ポイント  (16子コメント)

Let's be real here. the entire 600k that pirated aren't people who would never have bought their game.

They're 600k who have less reason to buy the game now.

Some of them may fall into that category, but certainly not all of them.

[–]NedixTV 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

i can confirm this ... my whole life i downloaded/emulator etc everything i played ... since i/my parents didnt have money to buy game... now since i work... i buy games, i put shitty money on Dota international but now i am MORE care on what i play/buy

[–]mynewaccount5 25ポイント26ポイント  (20子コメント)

Or 600k that would buy it when it reaches $15 but if they pirated it they'd play it and forget about it.

[–]Trodamus 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

What is this, pawn stars?

"Let's see... cutting edge graphics, great gameplay, faithful homage to classic titles. Best I can do is $15!"

[–]Earthborn92i5 6500 | GTX 980 | 16 GB DDR4 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

More like..."I have this sizable backlog of 1-3 year old games that I must complete first...no point buying it now and letting it rot in the Steam library."

At least, that's why I haven't bought DOOM yet.

[–]vgf89 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This, seriously. Too many other games that I've been enjoying, not enough time for AAA games, even at half price.

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Have you not seen the trend of bargain hunting that's popped up around PC gaming lately? That's exactly what would happen.

[–]jschild -1ポイント0ポイント  (11子コメント)

600k self entitled who think they deserve the game.

[–]Anterai [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

You gotta remember that many of those people were curious about denuvo being cracked. And tried it out just to see if it really works.

Also those 600k wouldn't have bought the game or bought it for cheap anyway.
Why? Probably because they live in countries without special steam pricing and/or are poor. Are they entitled to games? No. But I can understand their motives and that makes condemning them harder for me.

[–]jschild [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Yeah, I'm sure all 600k were people that wanted to test the crack or live in super poor countries. Nope, never see anyone just being cheap fucks at all. I definitely haven't seen people post about it today and then later delete their posts when called on it. Nope.

Sarcasm aside, that is a long list of unproven assumptions you have there. Not saying some of that isn't happening, but I'd need some evidence to happily assume that's most of it.

[–]Verminterested [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can tell you reliably from just about any schoolyard in the world that one of the largest and most active piracy scenes is plainly kids on an allowance. Smart enough to pirate and exchange data and high in overall user numbers, but low in available cash.

There you have a huge chunk of your reliably visible even in first world countries piracy demographic. If you don't believe me, spend more time with said demo. Its an easy enough empirical test.

[–]Calijor [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The lost-sale fallacy is a popular one but in the end there is no conclusive evidence that piracy actually results in a significant number of lost sales. I'm not denying that at least a percentage of pirates would buy the game if they were unable to pirate them. But there are also people who would only buy a game if they could assure that they can play and enjoy it, the DOOM demo served that purpose but there are plenty of other games that used Denuvo that got bypassed without a demo.

The strongest evidence against the lost-sale falacy is the DRM-free Witcher 3. There are sales reports varying from 10 to 14 million but regardless, those are very strong numbers, despite the fact that piracy of a GOG copy of The Witcher 3 is trivially easy. If you make a good game, people will buy it, DRM or no.

Now, with all of this said, I don't condone piracy but there are people with no other choice and I have no problem with people without means, whether they live in the US or the Ukraine, pirating. There is no moral wrong in pirating something you wouldn't be able to buy otherwise, it's hurting no one. People who take a hard line on piracy saying everyone who pirates are cheap fucks who are too stupid to budget are ridiculous and simply wrong.

Regardless, don't pirate if you can help it kids. If you can't help it, then who gives a fuck.

[–]jschild [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You're confusing the series sales numbers with just the third game.

[–]Calijor [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ahh, the 20 million was "The Witcher Series", my bad, misread the headline. It was just a cursory google search for Witcher 3 sales.

[–]Nex201i7 4790k GTX Titan X [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Then we also need evidence of them thinking they deserve free games.

[–]Anterai [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Did i say all 600k?

Ofc There's no evidence and never will be, really. Denuvo is not likely to release the areas from which the games were activated.
I'm just giving my POV, as I'm an ex-pirate from a second world country )

[–]beathusi5 3570k@4.4Ghz/GTX970/8GB-76561197961308480 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Username checks out.

[–]Nex201i7 4790k GTX Titan X [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are they? Maybe they just want the game for free. Doesnt have anything to do with deserving.

[–]AoyagiAichou -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

And that's relevant how exactly? You don't pay, you don't play. No sidetracking excuses like this.

[–]TaintedSquirrel4670K @ 4.3 | 980 Ti | PcPP: http://goo.gl/3eGy6C 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Or at the very least 600k who haven't bought them yet. Tomb Raider and JC3 are over 6 months old.

[–]ShiroQ 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

game 6 months old with very small possibility of a crack. most likely people are not really interested in owning the game

[–]phatboi23 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm gonna be buying rottr soon as I've now seen it works on my PC and I like what I played so far.

So... That idea doesn't work.

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yeah, obviously one unconfirmed anecdotal example is enough to prove that pirates aren't really thieves.

We did it, guys!

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You have no way of knowing that, and even if it is, that still doesn't entitle you to a free game.

[–]13r3fsqfdf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This argument is so obviously bullshit from the outset. I pirate everything but I know that if something is unlikely to get cracked or released, there are atleast some games I'm going to buy (I bought Doom for example).

If Doom was 100% cracked, I would never have bought it. This is true of many so don't pretend as if all 600,000 pirates are definitively not going to buy any games they would otherwise steal if they could.

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That still doesn't entitle you to a free game. You don't get to steal a rotisserie chicken from the super market just because you're not sure if you're gonna like it or not.

inb4 "it's copying, not theft!" Shut the fuck up. It's money that's not going to a dev for a product you payed nothing for. It's 21st century theft. Just because "I wouldn't have bought it anyway" doesn't mean you get a free ride.

The mental gymnastics in this thread/sub is astounding and rule #1 basically means nothing. Hilarious.

[–]Laddertoheaven -3ポイント-2ポイント  (7子コメント)

I very much doubt that.

[–]SmCTwelvei5-3570k @ 4.2GHz / MSI GTX 970 4G 2ポイント3ポイント  (6子コメント)

Why? They waited this long until games like JC3 and Tomb Raider were cracked. They weren't going to pay for it.

[–]mrlinkwiiintel hd 4000 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why? They waited this long until games like JC3 and Tomb Raider were cracked. They weren't going to pay for it.

i disagree with that statement , most people want to make sure games run , people use the pirate copy as a sort of a demo

people who might not like the game at it current price but they might get if it was cheaper

[–]Overv [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Why can't they just look at the performance in reviews?

[–]mrlinkwiiintel hd 4000 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

not everyone has the same setup ,

The review might be only for set configuration and thus performance reviews wont help with someone with a setup which was review for

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because they need an excuse to steal shit. It's trivial to go on YouTube, search for gameplay on a machine that matches or closely resembles yours and make a judgement about whether you think it will run on your computer. And even if it doesn't, you can refund through Steam now, something most of these pirates seem to be forgetting.

Source: I did the same thing for years with my gaming laptop. It's not hard. At all.

[–]Laddertoheaven -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I disagree that this concerns all of them, I argue some at least would buy it otherwise how could we explain publishers' insistence on DRM ? There's got to be a legitimate reason.

Publishers are everything but dumb.

[–]BrutalSaint [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That's good and all but if they weren't going to buy the game then maybe they should just accept they won't play it until the price becomes reasonable for then.

[–]reohhi7-5820k @ 4.4Ghz | GTX 980ti SC -2ポイント-1ポイント  (12子コメント)

That doesn't make it right

[–]hermeslyre -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, wrong. Left, right.

[–]GrumpyOldBrit -2ポイント-1ポイント  (10子コメント)

Doesnt make it wrong either. It makes it illegal.

[–]JonRedcorn862 -1ポイント0ポイント  (9子コメント)

I am sure everyone in here abides by the law to a T in every aspect of their lives.

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

What are you, 12? Ever hear of "two wrongs don't make a right"? Just because you jaywalk every once in a while, that gives you the right to steal shit and destroy the livelihood of developers?

[–]Jyvl [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'd say speeding is a more serious offense than pirating a video game, and I'd wager you have done it.

Morality is subjective. Don't act all high and mighty, it makes you look like a douche.

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Alright, I guess since I drive 5 over on the freeway every once in a while, I'll just stop paying for games and live the pirate's life. Thank you for setting me straight.

Morality is subjective, but theft is always wrong. Don't steal shit, it makes you a douche.

Do you seriously not see how stupid your argument is?

[–]Jyvl [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

Piracy isn't theft, it's copyright infringement. Not to mention "morality is subjective, but theft is always wrong" is a contradiction.

Last sentence is pretty ironic.

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Whatever you say, thief.

And just because the law hasn't been updated to account for new technology doesn't make it right. Copyright infringement is still wrong. You're still getting a product for free that you didn't pay for. That's stealing.

[–]JonRedcorn862 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yes I am a 12 yearold farmhand who resides in India, I am unable to afford even basic human pleasures. The only way to enjoy certain luxuries is through the use of torrents. All the money I make goes towards feeding my 15 brothers and sisters.

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Maybe playing video games and shitposting on Reddit shouldn't be such a priority in your life then. Maybe then you'd be able to afford to leave your mud hut and actually move up in the world.

[–]JonRedcorn862 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ah yes. I am sure you could understand the nuances of living in a 3rd world country. Probably a trump supporter. Maybe you should stop being such an ignorant hillbilly.

[–]Manic020i5-6500 | GTX 970 | j.mp/GarryPC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I understand that there are more important things to life than free video games. But whatever. You're probably just a filthy pirate who won't ever change anyway. Maybe you should pay for your games and stop being such a freeloader.

[–]Account235 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And how many sales lost from peoples that won't buy a game with a DRM? The witcher 3 sold well and it has no DRM.

[–]JohnDioFounder | DSOGaming -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm pretty sure some of them simply downloaded those games just to test whether those bypasses worked

[–]Verminterested [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Quite frankly I feel this makes the opposite argument. If despite "perfect" copy protection 600k people did not buy it even at a discount, clearly they can't afford to, even though they wouldn't mind playing it.

Which in turn means copy protection is pointless, because there is nobody to cordon off from the game except for the people "imagined" to be "potential buyers lost to piracy" that really are just not, because they do not have the buying power in the first place.

[–]Laddertoheaven -11ポイント-10ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's why publishers focus on consoles. You see (surprise !) it's not an Evil Conspiracy™ against PC gaming it's a matter of staying in business, games are expensive to make.

[–]DravonicFX-8350@4.7GHz - 390X@1160MHz 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right... I'm sure they are bleeding money with the millions of copies they sell on PC. Hell, CDProject is bankrupt since they release all their games with zero DRM.

[–]Matt4045 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

None of these games actually sold over a million.

[–]Laddertoheaven -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Millions" ? At what average price though ? Fact is DRM is here to stay and for good reasons. One dev does not prove DRM is useless.

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    [–]code-slothToyota GPU[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Please be civil. Your post has been removed.

    [–]HonestReply24-7 -4ポイント-3ポイント  (6子コメント)

    I mean that number would be reduced by quite a bit if games released demo's for the game so people can see how it runs on their system, and see if they like the game play.

    There has been so many times where I see a game that looks interesting, but I'm not sure if I would enjoy it.. so I just don't buy it at all. But I'm also too lazy to deal with pirating a game and dealing with all the crack bullshit.

    [–]totallywontstabyou 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Doom has a demo.

    [–]Mike_Prowe 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

    There will be free weekends and steam sales, with Steams refund policy as well

    [–]SomniumOvi5 2500k, MSI 570 GTX OC [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    Some of those games can't have a free weekend, like Rise of the Tomb Raider : a free weekend would kill sales, it's a linear story that you can absolutely finish in that weekend.

    [–]Mike_Prowe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Which is why I also mentioned steam sales + steam refunds.

    [–]SomniumOvi5 2500k, MSI 570 GTX OC [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    i'm not disagreeing :)

    [–]chris1096i5 4690k gtx970 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Doom has a demo

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      [–]roydl7 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Expected. It was the weekend and that is why they probably waited until Monday to fix it.

      [–]daviejamboi5 2500k @4.2GHZ & R9 290x 4GB 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

      600k in 3 days ffs no wonder things like Denuvo exist

      [–]Calijor [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      600 thousand trying the crack to see if it works, or maybe trying a game to see if their PC is capable of running it, or downloading the game because they have no disposable income to spend to actually purchase or any other number of things.

      It is not 600 thousand lost sales.

      [–]daviejamboi5 2500k @4.2GHZ & R9 290x 4GB [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      What difference does that make ? 600k people who played the game (or at least tried to) without paying for it. In 3 days.

      People should also not be able to play expensive new games because they don't have any money either. Luxury goods games are not essential

      [–]connorbarabe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      The difference it makes is that those people were never going to buy it, meaning that DRM didn't help the sales of these games. It's a pointless attempt at increasing sales no doubt greenlighted by out of touch old guys around big game companies executive tables.

      [–]daviejamboi5 2500k @4.2GHZ & R9 290x 4GB [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      It stopped people pirating the game though. If there was no DRM there would be no new PC games

      [–]rancor1223 6ポイント7ポイント  (8子コメント)

      IIT: People imagining 600k lost sales. Lol.

      • Doom has a demo. People could have tried it without the need to pirate it. The ones who didn't either can't afford it or wouldn't have bought it anyway.

      • RoTR and JC3 are over 6 months old. Whoever wanted those games got them. The rest doesn't want to pay or can't afford it.
        EDIT: The potential lost sales are the people who can't afford it now, but might buy it when it's cheap enough. And I suppose that's right. But then again, devs/publishers always care most about the full-price sales, because those have the highest margins. Everything that comes after makes way less. I'm not saying there are no lost sales because of the bypass, I'm saying it's ridiculous to expect it to be more than a fraction of the 600k.

      • TW:Warhammer is the only one that might potentially claim to suffer some loss. However (!), as it's a strategy game that takes a lot of time to finish. My expectations would be that people got to play it and now are more likely to buy it, because they want to keep playing.

      • Homefront was too shit for anyone sane to buy it. And as for the Inside and Abzu, I dunno, but I doubt such games were of major interest of pirates (most often teenagers without disposable income) but I might be wrong.

      So many lost sales. I'm just looking forward to the day Denuvo shuts down their servers one day and people loose half of their library.

      [–]vatrakk [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      RoTR and JC3 are over 6 months old. Whoever wanted those games got them. The rest doesn't want to pay or can't afford it.

      I agree that 600k downloads doesn't mean 600k lost sales, but saying nobody buy those games after 6 months is really freaking wrong.

      All of those games end up in the top sellers during steam sales even after 6-12 months. Hell, a lot of people are getting in the habit of never buying games new and just wait for the half price during the summer/winter sales.

      If those people pirate the game instead, then that's a lost sale.

      [–]Calijor [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Well, if nothing else, this bypass acted as a 3-day demo window, so now people know if the games can even run on their PCs worth shit and, just as TW: Warhammer being cracked momentarily will likely inspire pirates to purchase the game, the same can be said of both ROTR and JC3.

      Hell, if this bypass resulted in more than 10K lost sales I'd be surprised. Of course, there's no way to prove that.

      [–]Esfer25 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Except games like Inside can be finished multiple times in 3 days, that's hardly a "demo".

      [–]Calijor [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I didn't mention Inside. And regardless, I'd wager that Youtube lost more sales for Inside than this 3-day bypass.

      [–]rancor1223 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Yeah, I'm not sure how to word it better. I agree, some would buy them on sale later. There are some lost sales for sure, but given the amount of time that has passed (again, people who wanted it got it; rest can have it at sale price) and the importance of full-price sales for the devs, those people matter much less.

      [–]djfakey4790k | 980Ti [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Man seeing those steam sale threads, so many of those titles are old titles getting sold, so even the next summer sale and Doom or TR are at $10-$15 that's still a sale, a couple of my buddies bought the 2014 $12 shadow of mordor which comes to mind.

      [–]Rayuzx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I think it's unfair to say people wouldn't try Homefront. Even after all the negative reviews I'm still interested in buying the game when it comes cheaper.

      [–]Rayuzx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I think it's unfair to say people wouldn't try Homefront. Even after all the negative reviews I'm still interested in buying the game when it comes cheaper.

      [–]TomHanks12345 3ポイント4ポイント  (29子コメント)

      Jesus, 600k. Honestly, I feel like the only people mad about Denuvo are the people that don't buy games. I've never had any issue with it and don't even notice DRM when I play my games. Keep it, we don't need piracy.

      [–]eobet 14ポイント15ポイント  (20子コメント)

      Try to boot up your game again in 10 years when the company doesn't exist anymore and see how you will feel about it then.

      [–]Mike_Prowe [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

      Who says the developer won't remove the DRM before that time? It's been done before.

      [–]Verminterested [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      More like its almost never been done considering overall proportion and some publishers even - irony alert - resorted to sending out the cracks as an official support measure because nobody from their side put money into a dead company anymore.. No crack - nothing to send out here.

      [–]tombuben [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Who says the developer will remove the DRM. There's no real incentive for it (outside of for companies like GoG, whose literal business model is anti-DRM), since they most likely won't be getting paid much for the work required to remove the DRM.

      [–]eobet [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

      It's been done before in some titles.

      Face it: You will have to buy a remaster, since that is the norm these days, and guess what, that remaster will have new DRM.

      And the cycle continues, until we start buying more games from GoG.

      [–]Mike_Prowe [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      Is there a 10 year old game people can't run today because of DRM?

      [–]mrlinkwiiintel hd 4000 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      dependent on your OS yes

      win10 has problems with seurom/safedisc games

      https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/08/17/windows-10-safedisc-securom-drm/

      eg battlefeild 1942 which uses securom

      [–]Mike_Prowe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      That's a weird situation since it's Microsoft's decision, yet it still works on older versions of Windows. I would say that falls in line with a lot of older games such as ones that require emulation (DOS games).

      [–]HeroicMe [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      Darkspore is only 5 years old, but it will never be playable again, as it used always-online even in single-player DRM and nobody was able/cared enough to crack it.

      [–]Mike_Prowe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      I'll agree with you, but I wouldn't entirely blame DRM because EA scrapped everything to do with that game.

      [–]HeroicMe [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Well, if they would use normal DRM, then someone would be able to crack it and we'd be able to play it.

      As for other games, AFAIK MS killed support for Securom (or some other DRM) due to them having some security risks, so AFAIK you can't play games using it on Windows 10 (at least not without cracks).
      But that's just AFAIK, something might have changed about that.

      [–]TomHanks12345 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

      What makes you think it'll be gone? What makes you think by then they won't allow you access to your games if they needed to shut their servers down?

      [–]AnonTwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      There's more evidence that it will be gone than the contrary, from what I've seen.

      [–]eobet [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Securom, Starforce, they are all gone. And not all games from that time are (officially) fixed.

      [–]Verminterested [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Exactly. The vast majority of games from dead studios or IPs that weren't bought up to be still sold today remain riddled with those copy protections. Removing protections costs money, time and manpower and the reason why studios go under sits in the loss of exactly those.

      IMO it is quite silly to assume dying companies first and foremost want to ensure everyone can keep playing their games when they have to deal with layoffs and bankruptcy.

      [–]asilva54 -3ポイント-2ポイント  (5子コメント)

      10 years...man I hope I am doing something different by then....

      [–]Shabbypenguin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      im trying to think back 10 years of games i owned and still play and im drawing a blank. even then games that have been older or similar lifetimes have been rebundled and remastered and rereleased. i imagine for 90% of pc gamers denuvo shutting down (hypothetically speaking cuz they are making a killing and more companies will buy after this latest incident) wont be a big deal.

      this only proved to companies they need drm to stem the losses, as well as unlike previous drm this is something that quickly and effectively neutered even already pirated games installed.

      [–]nosandwiches [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      Skyrim is almost 7 years old and I still play it pretty often...

      Fallout 3 is actually even older. It's coming right up on 10 years actually. I play that regularly. Games that require you to log on to their stuff like GTA 5 might not be the same in almost 10 years. I'm not condoning anything illegal. Just playing devil's advocate. If I'm wrong about GTA I'm sorry, I don't have it.

      [–]Shabbypenguin [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      im not saying its a great situation, just one i dont imagine many being hit with. bethesda can say that they released skyrim remastered, play that one instead. if push came to shove im sure they would love to release a new fallout collection that had new working drm.

      [–]TomHanks12345 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      Skyrim came out in 2011. It's not almost 7 years, stop exaggerating it. It's only almost 5. Oblivion on the other hand is 10 years old.

      [–]nosandwiches [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Oh. How about Morrowind? I've got about 300 hours on that and it's all from the last couple years...

      [–]KaiserPhil [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I'd like to play Doom in Linux under Wine, but I can't because of Denuvo. I'll be happy when it's finally cracked for good so that this isn't a problem. And yeah, I've already bought Doom.

      [–]the-packet-thrower 1ポイント2ポイント  (5子コメント)

      I don't see how people can see that a good PC can run Doom at over a hundred frames per second but they still want to bypass denuvo to see if there is a "performance" gain.

      [–]Overv [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      This "crack" didn't actually stop Denuvo from running, so it should not affect performance. It just fooled it into thinking that the game is legit, but it's still running all of its checks.

      [–]the-packet-thrower [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

      My point was that everyone agrees that Doom runs great so if your already playing at 144 FPS then it seems pointless to want to see if there is a slight performance gain from removing the DRM.

      [–]Overv [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Ah, I misread your post, sorry.

      [–]connorbarabe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      So it's pointless to try to improve a games performance since it already runs...great. Whatever that means.

      [–]the-packet-thrower [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Alright let's say the performance gain is 1-2 FPS, would that justify pirating a game in your eyes?

      [–]AnonTwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      It's not as simple as that. Denuvo accomplishes a goal that is needed for developers, but it has tradeoffs that cause a lot of problems for consumers, such as potentially losing games years down the line, and Linux due to Denuvo being incompatible with Wine.

      [–]N1cknamed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      /r/crackstatus is going mad lol

      [–]amorpheusi7-920, HD6970 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I want to know how much Denuvo changed game sales on PC. Feels like we should have been hearing about how much the titles were flying off the virtual shelves by now...

      [–]ren39 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      sorry not sorry but ...HA HA

      [–]AoyagiAichou -16ポイント-15ポイント  (16子コメント)

      Kek, didn't last very long.

      Good.

      [–]ChungusMcChunguson -1ポイント0ポイント  (15子コメント)

      Of course it wasn't. It was a shitty bypass anyway that would only work with a few games by all accounts. Laughing at all the people who said this bypass method could not be patched. The circle jerk in the last thread made me cringe, no wonder developers are so weary of the PC platform

      [–]TaintedSquirrel4670K @ 4.3 | 980 Ti | PcPP: http://goo.gl/3eGy6C 12ポイント13ポイント  (13子コメント)

      And now this thread will be an anti-piracy circlejerk. What's your point?

      [–]AoyagiAichou 0ポイント1ポイント  (10子コメント)

      anti-piracy circlejerk

      People hating crime? Bring the torches and pitchforks!

      [–]TaintedSquirrel4670K @ 4.3 | 980 Ti | PcPP: http://goo.gl/3eGy6C 5ポイント6ポイント  (5子コメント)

      That's weird, the discussion wasn't about crime 23 hours ago...

      https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/4wkpic/just_cause_3_rise_of_the_tomb_raider_inside_have/d67sach

      [–]AoyagiAichou 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

      Well cherry-picked. Although it's full of various bullcrap as well.

      But yes, even that "m-muh consumer protection" is just an excuse for notorious pirates in the vast majority of cases. Why is Denuvo in spotlight and not all the other DRMs? Oh, is it because it stops pirates from getting free stuff? No way!

      [–]TaintedSquirrel4670K @ 4.3 | 980 Ti | PcPP: http://goo.gl/3eGy6C 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

      My point is, previous threads were focused on the anti-DRM aspect of cracking Denuvo. Now that we've seen the 600,000 number, this discussion is focused on the anti-piracy aspect of Denuvo. Reddit is funny. Did people in previous threads not realize that crackers would be downloading the game illegally, so they could play it for free?

      Denuvo gets cracked: "Good, DRM is bad for the industry."

      Denuvo gets patched: "Good, pirates are bad for the industry."

      It makes me wonder, if Voski hadn't posted the number of downloads, what would we be talking about instead?

      [–]AoyagiAichou 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And yet, the DRM itself wasn't actually cracked. All what was possible was fooling it and making the game playable for pirates. Which is why I really didn't like what I saw from this sub.

      if Voski hadn't posted the number of downloads, what would we be talking about instead?

      Well, it's a good number to put things into perspective, but I don't really understand why some focus on that number so much. Some of the downloads could be (and probably were) just people testing it and whatnot.

      [–]JonRedcorn862 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      For fuck sakes man get out of here with that logic and reason. This is reddit.

      [–]Nex201i7 4790k GTX Titan X [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      M-muh need to defend corporate

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          [–]Bagoole[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Please be civil. This includes no name-calling, slurs, or personal attacks.

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            Please be civil. This includes no name-calling, slurs, or personal attacks.

            [–]GrumpyOldBrit -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

            No ones weary of the greatest and most popular gaming platform currently in existance.

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              [–]code-slothToyota GPU[M] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

              Rule 1. Don't brag about it.

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                [–]code-slothToyota GPU[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                Letter and spirit of the law.

                I'm not banning you, but I've removed your comments. Please don't brag about piracy again. Next time will be a ban.

                [–]Nex201i7 4790k GTX Titan X [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

                Wait, it was cracked. It just doesnt work anymore.

                [–]SociableSociopath [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                It was never cracked, it was bypassed. Cracked means you have disabled the protection/spoofed it. All this did was go around it.

                Imagine you have a gate with a lock, bypassing the gate means climbing over it. Cracking the gate means blowing the lock off.

                [–]AnonTwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                That's not what a crack is.

                This was a bypass. It didn't remove the DRM, it just went around it.

                [–]Turnedleft [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                I reckon Voksi gave it away for a price.