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Post Pre-Season Thread (self.reddevils)

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Results:

Wigan 0 - 2 Man Utd

(W Keane, Pereira)

Borussia Dortmund 4 - 1 Man Utd

(Mkhitaryan)

Galatasaray 2 - 5 Man Utd

(Ibrahimovic, Rooney, Rooney, Fellaini, Mata)

Man Utd 0 - 0 Everton

Leicester 1 - 2 Man Utd

(Lingard, Ibrahimovic)

Who has been your best player

Who would you like to have seen more of

Who disappointed you

Favourite goal

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[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 5ポイント6ポイント  (13子コメント)

Kinda weird how Miki played just 2 minutes yesterday, and didnt start at OT or Gala either. I think Jesse has a place in the team but Miki has proved he can produce consistently. Should have started all of the games IMO.

If yesterday is anything to go by, Miki could have a shout for #10

[–]paulisback-inpogform 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

I don't really care if he rides the bench. The whole point of having quality depth is that you need to play out of your skin every match just to keep your place.

If having Micky around makes Lingard play to a level where he's dribbling 50 yards through 7 players to slot a goal against the best defensive team in the league then that's fantastic value.

If we're dropping anyone, I'd much rather phase Rooney out and bring Micky into the number 10 spot than ruin Lingard's development.

[–]MoosjeMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (7子コメント)

Wait what? Leicester are the best defensive team in the league now?

[–]paulisback-inpogform 0ポイント1ポイント  (6子コメント)

Which team presses better than them? Spurs perhaps?

[–]ReflectingGodMata 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Spurs definitely. Liverpool also for sure. But pressing doesn't = defensive. Liverpool press very hard but are not a defensive team and concede a lot of goals.

Last season Leicester had one of the best defences because they were so well drilled and organised. Very disciplined and really played to the strengths of an otherwise average back 4.

[–]paulisback-inpogform 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

they were so well drilled and organised.

played to the strengths of an otherwise average back 4.

Good thing matches aren't won on paper. Having the best defence is having the best defensive system. Aside from Spurs, I don't think anyone else can make that claim last season.

All 11 players press aggressively, they're incredibly well organised and keep amazing shape.

A team's defence is not about their back 4's rating on FIFA.

[–]MoosjeMartial 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Spurs, Liverpool, arguably others but that's not my point. Leicester press fantastically, but you said best defensive team in the league. Defending doesn't only consist of pressing.

[–]knoxisbackBlind -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

In what world does pressing = defensive football?

[–]paulisback-inpogform 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who said pressing equalled defensive football? I think you've added 2 and 2 to make 5.

Leicester's aggressive pressing (in addition to their great organisation etc.) is what makes their defence so scary and effective.

[–]knoxisbackBlind -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yet they conceded more goals than we did last season.

How would the best defensive team in the league go about doing that?

[–]PabloPervguy 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

(copy paste my reply from the Mkhitaryan thread)

I think right now Lingard is more fitter. That's it. Mkhi will get his way into the team no doubt. Lets just be happy we have competition for a spot in the first team now. Everyone has to train hard. Except for Luke Shaw, I mean who can replace Luke? No one. XD

[–]D1794Viva Ronaldo[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

How tho? Mkhitaryan has trained since day 1 cause of no summer tournament. He should be fit.

[–]PabloPervguy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've seen Mou's interview where he says Mkhi lacks sharpness (or something like that)

[–]RedDevilNumber1Manchester United 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was known at Dortmund to be a bit of a bottler, it took him 2 years to get over his price tag.

I think Jose is easing him in, let Ibra and the others bear the expectation and then he can start to sneak Micky into the team with fans not expecting a hat-trick and 3 assists because of his rep from the Bundesliga last yeatr

[–]tocitusMemphis 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its been an odd pre-season. Short number of games played (especially with the City game cancelled) means we only actually played 3 pre-season matches and had to convert Rooney's testimonial into one, which is a slight shame because I always enjoy watching a load of old stars coming back to the club to play with the player on his testimonial. It is what it is though and there was a lot of work to do.

I'm pretty happy with how the defensive solidity has come along. Obviously nowhere near where it has to be yet to be a good defence but you could see them improving every game.

Bailly looks great so far - I'm prepared for his occasional brainfart leading to a goal or his occasional overthetop tackle leading to a red card. But his athleticism and technical ability seems fantastic, especially his passing. He was playing it out from the back easily yesterday.

Attacking wise though , there is a lot of work to do. I'd like to have seen Mkhi get a lot more minutes in the #10 role. He's two footed and has a great eye for goal and a killer pass and I think, with his speed, him pushing on past Ibra is a much more realistic scenario than Rooney doing so. Rooney has been poor but hopefully he will find form soon or be dropped.

We are still very slow at transitioning from defence to attack and this is going to be the hardest thing for Mourinho to change. The players he's brought in will help (especially Pogba) but the player's first reaction is still to look for that easy pass for possession rather than to see if they can go forwards.

Overall an OK pre-season which makes me think we will have a slow start but once things click we will be fine.

[–]mufctezIbrahimovic 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best player: tough to call, but I'll go with Shaw - it's so fucking impressive that he looks unphased by that injury.

See more of: Mkhitaryan - puzzled he didn't get at least 30 mins yesterday.

Disappointed: Rooney. Jesus Christ, Rooney.

Favourite goal: Lingard yesterday.

That pre-season came and went quicker than Christmas day. Have you ever felt so under-prepared for a season? On the one hand I'm glad we weren't stuck abroad for an entire month, but missing a game against City is a big deal.

[–]legojs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im most impressed by our defense without smalling! Super duper excited for the season with these fast amazing defenders

[–]PabloPervguy 0ポイント1ポイント  (9子コメント)

This might be a shock to everyone but the one I see who improved a lot during all of pre-season is Herrera. If we only count the five pre-season games I think Herrera is our best player.

[–]aalaloo 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

The circlejerk never ends.

[–]knoxisbackBlind 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The anti-Herrera obsession is a more ubiquitous cancer on this sub.

Arguably our second or third best player in pre season and people on this sub still think it's stupid to say he performed well.

Absurd.

[–]al_pieSchweinsteiger 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's definitely playing better, would love to see him and Pogs with carrick or Morgs but Mou isn't known to play 4-3-3 so Wazza gets the nod I guess

[–]paulisback-inpogform 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

Most improved player? Sure.

Best player? Nowhere near.

He's most improved mainly because of how awful he was against Dortmund. I still think he's easily behind Pogba, Carrick and Fellaini for the CM spot.

As far as the entire team goes there are atleast 13 or 14 players who've played better than him.

[–]MoosjeMartial 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, that is absurd. Strictly going off preseason, Herrera was one of our best players, only behind Valencia. The way he never stops running, can put a good tackle in and opens stuff up going forward (look at the build up to Ibras goal) will benefit massively in a Mourinho system.

People talk about the Herrera love circle jerk, but I see more opinions like yours on here, that are sometimes ridiculous. There's no way he should be behind Fellaini, and obviously doesn't play the same role as Carrick (so pointless comparison). In my opinion, our best midfield 3 will be Pogba-Herrera-Carrick.

[–]paulisback-inpogform 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't see Herrera being anything more than a Pogba understudy when he needs a breather. That too, only in matches where height isn't an issue but workrate is.

He's fallen pretty far behind Fellaini in 2016 but it's not absurd to think he might work himself back into some form. It would be incredibly unlikely for him to jump ahead of Fellaini and Rooney for that 3rd midfield role. Especially considering there's a good chance Micky's used there as well.

[–]MoosjeMartial -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rooney will play #10, not same position as Herrera. As for Fellaini, I'm not even gonna go there... Fellaini does the ugly things well (sometimes) but the overall negative of his game (first touch, football intelligence, terrible passing, panic when shooting, relatively poor aerial presence considering his height) all go against him.

It's ridiculous to criticise the Herrera circlejerk, which I'm not part of, and vehemently defend Fellaini, just because it gets upvotes.

[–]nrshakyaRooney 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really don't think Fellaini should be starting in midfield. He is 28, so there not much room for improvement. He should be played to his strengths which is being effective with 1-2 touches: header to score, a header to set up a teammate, chest it and set it up. This is best utilized when he is in the final third and where his best performances have been. He simply isn't good enough with the ball at his feet to be in the middle third.

If Jose is going to start Rooney, we need a more dynamic player in midfield. Pogba's first appearance will probably be as a sub against Southampton at home and he'll start at Hull. So for the first match, I think it should be Carrick, Herrera and Rooney. The opposition midfield isn't exactly tough so we should be looking to create more. Carrick and Herrera with Rooney contributing as he always does should be enough to deal defensively while being able to create chances. Against Southampton, who have a more dynamic midfield, I think it should be Schneiderlin and Herrera. This would give a chance to assess the options. For Hull, maybe Carrick/Schneiderlin/Herrera (whoever performs the best) and Pogba and if it's good enough, the same for City.

But for me, all of the others are better options than Fellaini except for maybe when we need his height to defend against those kind of opposition which is why I think he started against Leicester. But we'll have Pogba soon so I don't feel Fellaini should be considered there for most matches.

[–]ReflectingGodMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

The opinion on him has changed so drastically recently which is odd because he was the sub's poster boy not too long ago. Last season he wasn't getting regular minutes and was playing in a system which didn't lend itself to an attractive or effective brand of football. He was very good in his first season, though not as good as most on this sub would have you believe (same people now calling him crap). His second season wasn't as good but name me one central midfielder who did preform consistently? Schneiderlin was out of favor, Fellaini was poor, Rooney played a couple good matches but was ultimately average and Carrick, Carrick was appalling. I didn't want to extend his contract. As much as like him, he isn't reliable anymore and was consistently one of our worst players last season apart from that City game, thank god. Schweinsteiger, the other /r/reddevils sweetheart 6 months ago, was the only player delivering consistent performances in midfield.

I don't think Herrera was our best player pre-season, I also don't think he should be starting but he 100% should be ahead of Carrick and Fellaini in the CM spot. We should be starting Pogba and Schneiderlin, a midfield with legs and creativity. He has become so overrated he has gone full circle and is now underrated again.

[–]itsandercontrolJose Mourinho 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who has been your best player?

Eric Bailly. The guy seems nervous at the start of matches but he just becomes a monster after the first 10 minutes.

Who would you like to have seen more of?

Mkhitaryan. He seems like the real deal and if Rooney isn't performing, we can slot Lingard at CAM and Mkhi at right wing.

Who disappointed you?

Rooney.

Favourite goal?

Ibra vs Galatasaray. Quite a way to announce yourself.

[–]ReflectingGodMata 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who has been your best player? Bailly

Who would you like to have seen more of Mkhi, Schneiderlin and Mata. Most of all, Memphis. He looked great against Gala.

Who disappointed you? Rooney and Martial. Both were very poor. I thought Fellaini was very poor yesterday also but I can't remember much else of him in pre-season other than a nice goal.

Favourite goal? Mata v Gala

[–]paulisback-inpogform 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

Who has been your best player:

Valencia. Bailly & Lingard have also played well.

Who would you like to have seen more of:

Ladnan, Darmian (as backup LB) & Micky. Tofu & Mike as well if we're including injuries.

Who disappointed you:

Martial, he's been in awful form. Hopefully it's temporary.

Favourite goal:

Lingard. Easily.

[–]mufctezIbrahimovic -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvote for Ladnan.