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DarkEnlightenment

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Summary
The Dark Enlightenment, or neoreaction, focuses on the fundamentally flawed tenets of modern western culture.
Common ideas:
  • Secular progressivism is the memetic descendent of Puritan Calvinism. Blasphemy, inquisition, indoctrination, and brainwashing still occur from the perspective of the progressive religion. Therefore, progressive culture is referred to as “the Cathedral”. The Cathedral consists of influential people in politics, journalism, academia and education acting in an uncoordinated manner to advance progressive principles in society; often deceptively. We do not imply conspiracies.
  • Hierarchies are a natural consequence of innate differences and are necessary for societies to function. Stratified outcomes alone are not enough to prove discrimination or a failure of "social justice". There is no "social justice," only traditional justice.
  • The only morality is civilization. Any belief or ideology that works against civilization is evil no matter how well-intentioned.
  • Traditional values are not accidental. They are non-ideological social adaptations that provide good solutions to complex social problems. Cultures separated by vast amounts of time and geography independently converged on similar values. Values converged because cultures that implemented these values had a competitive advantage over their neighbors and became civilizations. Cultures that did not implement them failed and are forgotten.
  • Modern conservatives are last century’s progressives. Many ideas held by “conservatives” today were progressive (sometimes radically so) in the past.
  • Neoreactionaries acknowledge the legitimate flaws inherent to Democracies and are “predisposed, in any case, to perceive the politically awakened masses as a howling irrational mob, it conceives the dynamics of democratization as fundamentally degenerative: systematically consolidating and exacerbating private vices, resentments, and deficiencies until they reach the level of collective criminality and comprehensive social corruption.”
  • A system of No Voice-Free Exit in large hyper-federalist states or small independent city states is the optimal political arrangement. Singapore is an imprecise example with little political voice, but massive economic freedom and high levels of prosperity. City-states would be in constant competition for minds and business and risk losing economically valuable citizens and businesses if poorly run since they can easily relocate. This creates an incentive to remain economically and socially free.
  • Neoreactionaries accept human biological diversity. Individual humans and human groups differ in ability, psychological disposition, intelligence, and other traits for genetic reasons. Genetics can explain 50% or more of the differences in lifetime outcomes within and between human groups. Other factors are minor by comparison.
  • Recognition of HBD necessitates the rejection of the core progressive dogma of egalitarianism. Race and gender are not social constructs and everyone personally experiences that not all men or women are created equal. It is easier to believe in Leprechauns than to believe in egalitarianism.
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[–]PhilipGlover -17 points-16 points-15 points  (45 children)
It seems to me that the prostitutes of yesteryear lived fairly freely and were good at business. Despite its seething derision for these women, this article gave me a whole new level of respect for those who refused to simply "behave". But then again, I have enough self-confidence to not be intimidated by a woman who earns a "male salary" and isn't afraid to enjoy herself however she damn well pleases in her own bedroom.
The DE analyses of power in politics is pretty interesting, particularly the real politik aspects of it, but this desire to see women as the property of their men wreaks of compensation.
[–]core-questions 19 points20 points21 points  (17 children)
The problem with your analysis is that you are thinking about individuals instead of civilizations. Yes, a woman may indeed enjoy her own life better working, earning, and sleeping around. However, if this comes at the cost of her not raising a decent number good responsible children and teaching them how to live respectable lives, her genes are being wasted, and the long term impact is dysgenic.
What is good for an individual in terms of hedonistic "self actualization" is not necessarily what is good for society on a generational timescale.
[–]angrifff 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Yes, a woman may indeed enjoy her own life better working, earning, and sleeping around.
Except the actual data says that this is not true.
Housewives and mothers self report higher happiness and life satisfaction.
[–]PhilipGlover comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points  (15 children)
The problem with your analysis is that you are thinking about individuals instead of civilizations. Yes, a woman may indeed enjoy her own life better working, earning, and sleeping around. However, if this comes at the cost of her not raising a decent number good responsible children and teaching them how to live respectable lives, her genes are being wasted, and the long term impact is dysgenic.
She and her children don't have to earn your respect to have quality genes, she just needs to find someone who wants to raise those children in a loving environment with her. It sounds a whole lot more like you want society to conform to your ideals than what's pursue what's truly the best for the species' future.
What is good for an individual in terms of hedonistic "self actualization" is not necessarily what is good for society on a generational timescale.
Please enlighten me: what is good on a generational timescale?
[–]Iamjacksblackpill 8 points9 points10 points  (4 children)
It's not about earning respect, it's about having a functional society. Women's mating strategy is at odds with civilization. When sexuality is not controlled you end up in a situation where 20% of the men have access to 80% of the women (This is true in our genetic history as well as modern dating like OKCupid), this leaves a massive problem for those men. They have no reason to invest in a society that doesn't offer them a future stake in it (i.e. kids) so they opt out and productivity is lost, which is instead fueled into hedonism instead (video games and pornography currently, but it used to be riots and revolution). Since civilization is built on the backs of good men doing hard jobs for little to no thanks, making 60% of them have zero investment (who will also be the bottom 60% who do all the vital manual labour like garbage collection) is going to collapse your society.
And then we can get the way women use power VS men use power. Where women want "peace" where as men want "justice" as many psychology studies have shown and reproduced. When you give someone willing to sell their souls for peace, you end up with a society that has no freedom or peace. You end up with the nanny state and the police state, where no man can live free because false incrimination is better than someone being disruptive in that sort of society. You know, like the sort of society we now live in since women are the majority voters and are pushing for those policies.
It's clear that you have no idea about psychology or the human mating strategies and why you have to control both or your society collapses. you're still naive enough to think humans given complete freedom will work towards their own benefit instead of hedonistic pleasure seeking until they consume themselves. I would suggest you look at the obesity statistics and see what complete freedom of food has done to people and their health. Then come back and try and argue your an cap non-sense.
[–]PhilipGlover -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
So women making decisions is what is ruining our society? Really? That's quite the assumption to make about half of the population. If anything, the feminine perspective helps us see the whole picture, allowing us to collaborate in reaching an optimal solution.
Men push for the nanny state too and have pushed to strengthen it for much longer than women have been allowed to participate in politics. The nanny state gets strength, not from women, but from people like you who think they know the right way to force people how to act.
Your contrivance about the desire for peace vs justice is creative but most simply want both. I believe you can't have one without the other on a large timescale. I doubt very much that many people would see being forced to live how you would have them live as just.
And I'm not an AnCap but it is fascinating to see the mental hoops you DE boys are willing to jump through to tell yourselves that you should be in charge.
Lastly, if you are right about the 80-20 thing, I'd think the DE obsession with improved genetics would applaud the fact that our species selecting those perceived as the most fit to reproduce. I don't buy it at all and if anything, it's that defeatist attitude of you fellas who aren't getting any that turns into a self-fulfilling prophecy. If there is one thing women do want, it's a man whose confident that they should want him but you apparently would rather them to submit because "that's what's best for society" rather than learn how to present yourself in a desirable manner.
Deride me all you like, but you're better than this, chap. Come on.
[–]suitandtiemandatory 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Your contrivance about the desire for peace vs justice is creative but most simply want both.
Take some time and read about the furor over the 2016 Jian Ghomeshi ruling, and see if your opinion on the subject doesn't change.
Ghomeshi was charged with several accounts of sexual assault, but the women who were the alleged victims in the case were found to have given objectively false testimony about their relationship with him, to have concealed evidence, and to have colluded with each other over e-mail to get him convicted. The judge wrote in his decision that:
The harsh reality is that once a witness has been shown to be deceptive and manipulative in giving their evidence, that witness can no longer expect the Court to consider them to be a trusted source of the truth. I am forced to conclude that it is impossible for the Court to have sufficient faith in the reliability or sincerity of these complainants. Put simply, the volume of serious deficiencies in the evidence leaves the Court with a reasonable doubt.
The reaction from women's groups was explosive. They argued that this standard of holding women to be truthful on the stand was anti-woman and pro-rape.
My anger is not, chiefly, with the judge, the vicious defense, or the weak prosecution. My anger is with the entire patriarchal capitalist, colonialist justice system—not just in Canada but across the Western world—that demands we all adhere to standards of truth, proof, and doubt inimical to women and to all marginalized people.
...wrote one female activist.
Although the concept of reasonable doubt is a cornerstone of criminal law, women's groups argued that it should be done away as unfair to women:
Speaking to the Guardian, the first complainant in the high-profile case called for sweeping reforms. “The whole system needs to be changed,” she said. “It can’t just be one person on the stand with a seasoned lawyer throwing darts at them.”
These darts, of course, being questions that require truthful answers. By lying and concealing evidence, the plaintiffs eroded the credibility their case required to succeed. Had they been truthful about their actions, however embarrassing, Ghomeshi might well have been convicted.
But women's activist groups argue that women can't be expected to be honest, that even deliberately lying to a judge and concealing evidence must be accepted as part of a victim's trauma. They demand an end to "reasonable doubt" as a standard for felony cases, and the implementation of a new sort of faux-judicial system that would convict defendants in spite of false testimony, proven collusion, and concealed evidence.
In other words, peace instead of justice. Food for thought.
[–]Iamjacksblackpill 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
You have absolutely no clue about psychology or the voting records. There is no point discussing something with someone so uninformed, you're just going to argue from ignorance and your feelings not facts.
[–]hairaware 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Essentially. Women are generally emotional thinkers rather then logical thinkers. You can't be emotional and be impartial.
Men in general push for smaller government and less power in government. The pussy men you see nowadays reflect the effects of feminism and the war on masculinity. On average more women lean liberal which as of now is for larger government and extending powers (socialism and communism). At the end of the day women's biological imperative is to provide for whatever they breed the best way possible. Having an nanny state accomplishes this.
The 80/20 rule favours psychopaths and those with more masculine features and risk taking behaviours. This in the long run is bad for a society. Some risk taking behaviour is beneficial. Being a drug dealer is not. Being more masculine looking is not inherently better for society. Psychopathy is generally not desirable for society. Now there is also the ability to provide but that is more and more push by the wayside nowadays in favour of the other listed traits. You are correct though women do enjoy confident men but as a previous comment or stated the 80/20 rule does not favour the 80℅ who are also necessary for civilization. Not everyone is a big enough pussy to raise another man's child.
[–]core-questions 3 points4 points5 points  (9 children)
This entire subreddit and the philosophy that it is about is focused on civilizational morality on long timescales. If you want to know more, there are a ton of resources in the sidebar, stickied posts and top posts. I'm not going to try to summarize it all right here, for many reasons, including the fact that far better authors than I have made the case much better than I am going to be able to.
In short, though, the idea is that your suggestion
she just needs to find someone who wants to raise those children in a loving environment with her
is true, but her actions - and the other related impacts of a society that enables and encourages her actions - may render this very difficult to do. She may choose not to have kids, may delay it too late, or may raise them in a single parent home with all of the disadvantages for the kids and for society as whole to have fatherless children everywhere. Or, she may try to have it all, and in process of focussing on a career she may ruin her marriage or starve her children for attention.
The net impact is slow decline. It's not going to be tremendously obvious, though if you look at the stats there are some worrying trends, particularly in harder hit communities and segments of the population.
I'm not afraid of women who want to have it all. I'm just not convinced it is truly possible or that it comes with no side effects. While we cannot hope to retract everything feminism has changed, we can hope to find some new middle way that leads to better balance; failing that, we may be subsumed by cultures that more effectively reproduce.
[–]PhilipGlover -1 points0 points1 point  (8 children)
I'm not afraid of women who want to have it all. I'm just not convinced it is truly possible or that it comes with no side effects.
Well, the side effects are greater freedom and equality. It's not just the core family that matters for raising children in a society - it takes a village. If you have a daughter, do you really want her to have fewer choices in life than your son? You'd prefer she "know her place" for the sake of a speculative theory about her freedom being a cause for the decline of the society?
[–]core-questions 5 points6 points7 points  (5 children)
freedom and equality
What is freedom, really? There are a wide range of definitions, but one common theme many of them share is an understanding that freedoms are created by means of imposing some restrictions. It's a balancing act; having laws gives us security which gives us freedom, even though it means losing out on some supposed potential freedom to perform acts that break those laws.
Equality is similar. Equality before the law? Equality of opportunity? Equality of outcome? The former is reasonable, but the latter is not, as it separates action from consequence. Regardless, equality is mostly a pipe dream; biology alone is sufficient to ensure this, and society follows suit in countless ways despite continually growing efforts to resist.
It's not just the core family that matters for raising children in a society - it takes a village.
And yet we've allowed this village, an evolved result of a feedback cycle of memetics and genetics over thousands of years, to dissipate. The "community" has lost its core; people don't know each other; children are left with caregivers their parents barely know; and parents are hesitant to even speak to a child that isn't theirs.
I'm not a religious man, but we threw out the baby with the bathwater when we purged faith from the West, and the result is a fractured community. Meanwhile, foreigners with intact cultures can move in, set up their institutions, and reap the obvious benefits of having a supportive, aligned community.
If you have a daughter, do you really want her to have fewer choices in life than your son?
She'll have more choices and less choices. She'll never be as strong as he is, will never be as spatially or mathematically oriented, except in rare cases. She'll be more socially aware, more empathetic, better at communicating. She'll be capable of having a baby.
Do I think she should have "fewer choices"? Perhaps, but doubtless not in the way you meant it. I'd like her to marry a strong, loving provider with the intention of staying together for life; I'd like her to have children, and to put them first in her life. I think the result will be upstanding grandchildren who will repeat the cycle. I think this adds as much to civilization as any individual is generally capable of.
I don't think she should have to be a homemaker, but on the other hand, I don't want her to spend her twenties as a slut only to marry some beta male in her 30s. That model is proving itself broken, with ample evidence you can read on any number of forums.
You'd prefer she "know her place" for the sake of a speculative theory about her freedom being a cause for the decline of the society?
Generally, one puts quotation marks around things that someone else said; I didn't say that at all. Don't strawman me. It's not a matter of knowing one's place so much as it is realizing where one stands in relation to a much larger timescale than one's own life. Consider the sacrifices that lead to your birth and raising; consider those you'd make for your own kids; consider those you'd want them to make for theirs and so onward. There's actually an incredible burden you are shouldering as the recipient beneficiary of all of those sacrifices, and it puts an onus upon you to carry your share of the load.
The alternative really is extinction, if done on a wide enough scale, for any people, culture, or nation that manages to collectively forget this.
[–]PhilipGlover -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
She'll never be as strong as he is, will never be as spatially or mathematically oriented, except in rare cases. She'll be more socially aware, more empathetic, better at communicating. She'll be capable of having a baby.
I'd like her to marry a strong, loving provider with the intention of staying together for life; I'd like her to have children, and to put them first in her life. I think the result will be upstanding grandchildren who will repeat the cycle.
I don't think she should have to be a homemaker, but on the other hand, I don't want her to spend her twenties as a slut only to marry some beta male in her 30s.
I was summing up all of this with "know her place". It seems you believe there is a way a woman is supposed to act because our civilization depends on her submission.
If your daughter doesn't want to get tied down until her 30s because she finds a fulfilling career and then decides she wants to marry a beta because she's an alpha, I hope you can see the light and choose to love her just the same.
The alternative really is extinction, if done on a wide enough scale, for any people, culture, or nation that manages to collectively forget this.
I think you're starting to see the truth here, albeit in antagonistic manner. The ideas that races shouldn't mix and that women should be the fairer sex are going extinct. Our species is evolving past them, embracing a more vibrant life full of even greater potentialities. Embracing our diversity gives us much more strength than homogeneity. Genetics shows time and again that heterogeneity is healthier and the majority are beginning to see that we can all learn from those who are different than us. We can grow and live and let live.
It's your right to go down kicking and screaming, sad that the glory days have gone, but I'm going to reserve my right to remind you that these ideas you're holding onto have been tested and found wanting. And that's why we're abandoning them.
[–]core-questions 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
It's probably time for you to wander along somewhere else, then, since it's clear you've come here to argue basic progressivist tenets everyone here disagrees with on their face from the evidence of widespread failure. Take a walk.
May I recommend Detroit, or Baltimore? Wonderfully diverse cities where you don't need to know your place at all, made strong through redistributed income, freedom, and equality.
[–]MelissaClick 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
If your daughter doesn't want to get tied down until her 30s because she finds a fulfilling career and then decides she wants to marry a beta because she's an alpha, I hope you can see the light and choose to love her just the same.

decides she wants to marry a beta because she's an alpha
Wow. You really don't understand human beings. Or maybe you don't know what the words you're using mean?
In any case, "alpha" here means a male who has a larger selection of potential mates. And obviously(?) people who are very attractive don't therefore want someone who is less attractive (as if to "balance out" the total attractiveness of the couple?). Instead there is something called "assortative mating," which actually everybody already knows about (so why don't you??). People who are more attractive than average have the opportunity to choose other people who are more attractive than average, and so they do. Hence popular phrases such as "out of her league" or "in your own league." Which apparently you've never heard before, so do look them up.
The reason women who "don't want to get tied down" until their 30s "choose" betas is that they've become less attractive with age, so that they no longer have the option of choosing someone more attractive. (Actually it's not just "alpha" and "beta" we're talking about but just as much attractiveness or selectiveness among betas or among alphas.)
TL;DR: the older a woman gets the less choice she has over mating. But the real question is, since everyone already knows this why do I even have to say it?
[–]JCCheapEntertainment 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Genetics shows time and again that heterogeneity is healthier
This is not at all proven, and simply stands as a hypothesis at the time. A study on the extensive genealogical record of Iceland has shown third/fourth cousin marriages were the most fertile of all pairings. And I quote:
There might be a compromise to be struck between the benefits and problems of genetic similarity, says Bittles. “The idea that there could be an optimum balance makes sense,” he says.
Of course more thorough studies should be done on this topic, in more places around the world, to see how well it generalizes. But I'm just pointing out your assertion that indiscriminate mixing of human populations is best and should be embraced is not necessarily supported by the science.
and the majority are beginning to see that we can all learn from those who are different than us.
No doubt citizens of Westerner societies can learn some things from some other cultures. But do tell me, how can most sub-Saharan Africans, who as a group have an average IQ of ~70, Australian Aboriginals with average IQ of <70 and inbreeding-depression suffering Arabs enthralled with a destructive and violent 7th century ideology help "enrich" the West and its people?
[–]HizdahrvonJugingen 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Not to burst your bubble, but I think I know an exception to your viewpoint:
Asia, specifically East Asia, as in Japan, Korea, China and such. They still hold to at least a minimal amount of the values we discuss here, and consequently are not yet degenerating into oblivion as the west is.
[–]MelissaClick 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
If you have a daughter, do you really want her to have fewer choices in life than your son? You'd prefer she "know her place" for the sake of a speculative theory about her freedom being a cause for the decline of the society?
I think women are happier when they don't have to and don't try to compete against men in the male world that was designed around the motivation of acquiring access to women. "More choices" isn't an unequivocally good thing; sometimes it increases the odds of making a bad choice.
[–]hairaware 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
I think most people here would hope she ends up happy. The thing is time and time again it is shown that women who do not have children and who work more or don't have husband's are less happy. If you're daughter is truly happy with her life that's the most important thing, you still want grandchildren but happiness comes first. People only want the best for their children.
[–]celticsfan30 12 points13 points14 points  (10 children)
We get it, you're more than willing to marry a whore who sells her body to the highest bidder. No need to criticize another man for not wanting that.
[–]PhilipGlover -5 points-4 points-3 points  (9 children)
I didn't say I want that, but then again I don't equate being a woman working and owning property -having a legal self - with being a prostitute. By that logic, aren't us men all prostitutes to the market as well?
[–]DenswendMod 7 points8 points9 points  (7 children)
I would normally think that your average denizen of this sub came from TRP so he would never make a mistake of applying female standards to men and vice versa.
[–]JCCheapEntertainment 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
Yeah, always thought race realism and understanding female nature are basic precepts accepted by all members of DE, but apparently not...
[–]strngesky -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
Yeah this sub runs the gamut of flat out racist-sexist bigots to pseudo-intellectual "Guns Germs and Steel" fanboys and their pet theories on enslavement of women.
[–]Iamjacksblackpill 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
TRP is degenerate as fuck. They're hedonists with a little bit of knowledge but no common sense in how they apply it.
[–]DenswendMod 4 points5 points6 points  (3 children)
TRP is knowledge about female nature and thus it is a form of power over them. And power is a must if you wang to atttact and retain women.
The fact that an average trper uses it to degenerate aims has more to do with inherent degeneracy of modern world than to trp itself.
[–]MelissaClick 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
TRP forum seems to be full of genetic dead-ends destined to expend all of their life's energy on impressing women that they'll fuck a few times with birth control and then abandon.
They're the sexual-libidinal equivalent of obese diabetics who go on eating 3000 calories of sugar per day. Their rational mind has lost control over their evolved desires which are allowed to run amok in an environment where they are no longer adaptive.
Just look at all their talk about getting vasectomies. They don't understand that they might as well castrate themselves at that point; then the desire that consumes them would no longer even exist.
[–]lemurmort -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
DE led me to becoming a sperm donor. Soon my shirtlord seed will be growing in dozens of dykes and cucked wives around the country
[–]Iamjacksblackpill 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
What comes first the chicken or the egg?
I've never had anything to do with the PUA scene and never will. I find MGTOW has better information on female nature than PUAs do because MGTOW has more scientifically minded people collected together and less pussy beggars, scammers and betas. I'm not saying MGTOW doesn't have it's fair share of losers, but I think the intellectual MGTOW (Stardusk, tl;dr) are head and shoulders above what the PUA scene has to offer. I would argue that Tl;dr put out some of the best Brexit videos there were and he is both a MGTOW and slowly becoming Alt right. It's a matter of intellectual curiosity VS profiteering and desperation.
[–]celticsfan30 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Neither did the author of the piece. He was saying, however, that the way women present themselves in modern times with the way they dress and their behavior is what makes them like the prostitutes of old and that owning property and having economic power is what allows them to behave this way.
[–]thrway1312 10 points11 points12 points  (9 children)
Your post reeks of misinformed self righteousness with no actual desire to invoke meaningful discussion... What are you doing here instead of r/feminism?
[–]PhilipGlover 1 point2 points3 points  (8 children)
I'm here to disrupt the echo chamber. I like to hear the opinions of people who think equality is bad and to try and follow their reasoning. It must be a selfish intellectual curiosity.
[–]MelissaClick 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
  1. I'm here to disrupt the echo chamber
  2. I like to hear the opinions of people [...] and to try and follow their reasoning.
Regarding #2, perfectly valid and commendable.
Regarding #1, though, you might consider whether you're deluding yourself about your ability to say anything that people here haven't heard thousands of times throughout their life.
[–]thrway1312 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
Equality of opportunity is never bad, it's a demand for equality of outcome regardless of merit which is detrimental to humanity.
[–]Iamjacksblackpill 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
Equality of opportunity is bad. If I own a business and I don't want to hire black people then that's my business and no one elses. By forcing me to give blacks a chance you're wasting my time and theirs, I have to put on a horse and pony show for someone I have no interest or intention of hiring.
Simply put : My business, my rules, don't try and force me to waste my time just to play silly fuckers with the government.
[–]JCCheapEntertainment -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
You can implement increasingly more discriminate forms of screenings when hiring, such as first determining if they're at least literate, then ask basic questions to check communication competence, then ask them to solve some basic logic puzzles, etc.
This is of course how hiring is done nowadays anyway, except women, Blacks and Hispanics have been granted lower bars of entry in many fields via affirmative action. However, if you do happen to come across some woman or Black person who is even more competent than your average white applicant, then employing said person should add value to your business.
Sure, you're right in that it should still be your right not to hire such people, but my point is, that would likely not be optimal for your business. Since you're ignoring potential candidate pools, which despite not being able to produce well-qualified candidates that would be proportionally representative of their national population, should still be able to offer up a small number of qualified employees as long as good hiring practices are used.
[–]Iamjacksblackpill 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
It's not optimal to sort through 1,000 broken things just to find the 1 that functions as well as the 1,000 of working things I have right next to me. I shouldn't be forced by death or kidnapping to waste my time screening people I have no interest in working for me. You're promoting the government using violence to force people to interact with people they don't wish to and then we get to the mess we're in now.
Discrimination is good, it's healthy. The freedom of association is vital to a functional society and you're trampling all over it for left wing bullshit. If you want equality of any form then you're on the slippery slope to affirmative action, communism and the police state.
People are not equal, I don't care if there are exceptions, I'm not eating 1,000 poisonous berries just to find the one that doesn't make me sick. If you want to then go right ahead, but don't blame any one else when you threw logic and order out the window because you put your feelings first.
[–]loddfavne 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
The reason DE kind of hint that sexual fidelity, marriage and upbringing of kids in a heterosexual relationship is good, is that the benefits of a stable upbringing is clearly showing in statistics. The price of women not commiting to a stable relationship, most of the times marriage, is single-parent families. Children from single-parent families are easy to spot in lots of bad statistics.
DE think todays echo-chamber is the cathedral. One of the teachings in todays cathedral is that we all are equal. And, you're not thinking straight if you believe in equality. Just have a look around, and you will see that women and men are different. Among other things. If you become less jaded, you'll see exactly how un-equal mankind is.
[–]angrifff 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
There is also plenty of data that women who only have 1 sexual partner end up staying loyal to that partner and happier in marriage.
And the number of previous sexual partners increases the odds of divorce throughout the spectrum.
[–]JCCheapEntertainment 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I'm here to disrupt the echo chamber.
>assuming we've never heard of the same regressive bullshit arguments before
[–]iLLprincipLeS 2 points3 points4 points  (2 children)
but this desire to see women as the property of their men wreaks of compensation.
Any woman worth keeping around would want to be your property.
And yes, it is the compensation of an investment.
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      But then again, I have enough self-confidence to not be intimidated by a woman who earns a "male salary" and isn't afraid to enjoy herself however she damn well pleases in her own bedroom.
      Cool. Just don't tell me to "man up" and marry her when she hits the wall.
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