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[–]Atakan1122AMD FTW[S] 56ポイント57ポイント  (81子コメント)

We can add Abzu and Total War Warhammer to the list now.

List Of Cracked/Bypassed Denuvo Games :

DOOM

Rise Of The Tomb Raider

Just Cause 3

Abzu

INSIDE

Total War Warhammer

[–]lext 65ポイント66ポイント  (76子コメント)

Poor ABZU. They paid $100,000 for Denuvo for their game and it was cracked in 4 days. Hopefully in the future they won't waste money on DRM and instead care about their customer experience.

[–]onionjuiceFX 6300 @ 4.1 ghz, 1.33V; GTX 960 @ 1444mhz core, 7840mem 30ポイント31ポイント  (0子コメント)

its 100k for an AAA game with millions in sales. It costs like $1,000 for an Indie game or something. Denuvo also has a compensation per sale scheme.

[–]FromThatOtherPlace 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

How do you know it costs 100k to use denuvo? Keep hearing that number thrown about but where does it come from?

[–]JLarn 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Should be from denuvo themselves. You can just e-mail them and ask for infos, price iirc is based on projected sales volume.

[–]lext 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone leaked/shared a rate sheet a while back. You can email them yourself and ask for their rate if you want. Your reply will probably be like $25k because although ABZU is an indie game it was published by 505 Games and probably didn't received the indie discount.

[–]amlast 0ポイント1ポイント  (26子コメント)

What?

I have dozens of games with Denuvo, explain how it affects my experience of the games?

[–]lext 110ポイント111ポイント  (25子コメント)

Why is Denuvo anti-consumer?

  • If you have a problem with your payment method on a later game purchase, your account will be disabled blocking all your Denuvo games from working. Steam support is notoriously slow to respond so your account may be disabled for weeks or months. Supporting the ability of platforms to disable your entire game library is anti-consumer.
  • Denuvo stops games from supporting Linux or OS X. Not only do the publishers not release ports, but using Denuvo means third parties like the Wine project can't support them either. Games like Inside, the sequel to Limbo, are an example of Denuvo stopping Linux support. Limbo supported Linux and OS X, and Inside is built using Unity engine which can easily make Linux builds. But because they are using Denuvo, it can't be played on any other operating system. Preventing games from working on other operating systems is anti-consumer.
  • Denuvo games require reactivation if you haven't played them in a while or if you change any of your computer's hardware, and you must authenticate with Denuvo servers every time you receive an update (Simply allowing Steam to update is not enough. You must also open the game once while connected to the internet after each update). They don't require always online, but they do require sometimes online. Some people don't believe this, so here's proof: http://imgur.com/hm32xle This is from a user that left it in offline mode for a week or so and didn't play it. This wasn't their first launch.
  • Denuvo makes it difficult or impossible to play games without some form of internet connection. Sure lots of people have internet connections, but not everyone does. Requiring an internet connection for offline single-player games is anti-consumer.
  • If your internet drops without preparing for offline beforehand you can't play your Denuvo crapware.
  • If at some point in the future any part of their DRM service chain is shut down due to internet outage or a company going bankrupt, games will be inaccessible. Some people reply "but surely these companies will provide a method access if they are shutting down servers!" If a company is in bankruptcy and there's an outcry to get patches out for 15 year old games, I doubt they're going to make it a priority to devote resources and development time to creating patches. It wouldn't be the first time a library of DRM-encumbered crapware went poof. Remember the single-player game Darkspore? It is impossible for anyone to play it anymore. Neither pirates nor customers can play it. They didn't release a patch to make it work offline. Here's what it shows up as on Origin: http://i.imgur.com/bQZqUSv.png Supporting an ecosystem which could disappear your games is anti-consumer.
  • In many cases after an online game has their servers shut down, modders can get the online portion working again by modifying the executable to work with a new master server list. With Denuvo, when EA says the online fun is over that's the end of it because modders won't be able to fix the game. That's anti-consumer.
  • Having Denuvo on your games means that if a game comes out that's Oculus Rift only and has strong anti-tamper protections, you'll have no way to ever get it working on other VR platforms. Anti-consumer vendor lock-in.
  • Denuvo locks you into your purchase platform for now to eternity. If you purchase a Denuvo game on Steam, you must use Steam forever or abandon your purchases to the wind. If your Steam account gets hacked or locked, your games are gone, because they were never really yours, and you never really even had a copy of them.
  • You can't make playable back-ups of your games. This isn't helping the consumer.
  • A large point of Denuvo is to enable vendors and publishers to lock down the functionality of their games and provide them with a simplified means of doing all the bad anti-consumer things they've always wanted to do. While Denuvo copy protection may not in and of itself do the something bad ("see Denuvo does nothing wrong!") it enables the publishers to do it.

[–]Slothu6600k @ 4.5GHz - MSI Gaming X 1070 -5ポイント-4ポイント  (2子コメント)

Denuvo stops games from supporting Linux or OS X. Not only do the publishers not release ports, but using Denuvo means third parties like the Wine project can't support them either.

How so? Some Denuvo games do get Linux ports.

Like Total Warhammer, and more: https://twitter.com/feralgames/status/761127268227747840

[–]HeroicMe 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think his point is, if game doesn't get Official Linux Support, there's no way to provide WINE support.

[–]Slothu6600k @ 4.5GHz - MSI Gaming X 1070 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

True!

He should rephrase his passage regarding Linux support

[–]threelitei5 2500k @ 4.2ghz, GTX 970 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

What about Dragon Age 3 and Lords of the Fallen?

[–]blahblahlalawhoomp 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

DA:I has been cracked for a while, there's a version with all the dlc out.

[–]N4N4KI 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

What about Dragon Age 3 and Lords of the Fallen

they were done ages back by CPY

[–]threelitei5 2500k @ 4.2ghz, GTX 970 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know, I was adding them on to the list.

[–]1dayHappy_1daySad 32ポイント33ポイント  (16子コメント)

I do buy my games, but publisher should consider what Origin / EA is doing with their trial system (play for 5/10 hours for free) or free demo like Doom, I will buy it if it's good (last example Need for Speed even with a bug here and there I find it fun)

[–]allnamesfckintaken 43ポイント44ポイント  (15子コメント)

they wont do that because most games cant survive a 5 hour demo.

[–]lext 5ポイント6ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's been shown that demos hurt sales for exactly that reason: http://www.pcgamesn.com/jesse-schell-releasing-demo-harms-your-game-sales

“The things with no demo, you’ve gotta buy it if you want to try it,”

[–]allnamesfckintaken 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

this is true for 90% of games. there are so few games that i can name that hooks you instantly like metal gear solid, ocarina of time, dark souls and a few more. games like gears of war would lose sales if demoed. i guess the word was out like a decade ago because i havent seen demos since i was a kid. remember that one site that had all the demos? i was a poor kid and only played demos. lol. i remember not knowing why in gta2 that i couldnt stop myself from being blown up after 30 mins.

[–]AsianPotatosi3 3240, MSI R9 280x, evga 500w psu, 1080p monitor. 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do what doom did and release a demo when sales start dropping.

[–]generallee5686 5ポイント6ポイント  (8子コメント)

..and it wouldn't make any financial sense because there are plenty of stupid people happily preordering shit games.

[–]allnamesfckintaken -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

exactly. the western world is so rich right now and life is so easy that entertainment became the most important thing in society. people don't mind spending a lot for it and games cost so little compared to other activities. one night out is at least 60 dollars and it lasts what 3 hours? yet people do it twice a week at least. there is so much money floating out there right now.

[–]Mein_Kappa 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

and what's your point?

[–]allnamesfckintaken -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

my point is even shit games can make money right now. the west is so rich.

[–]Mein_Kappa 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

shit games won't be played if they really are bad. if people are playing them, they don't think they are shit. you really don't understand opinions do you?

and it's a great thing that the west is so rich.

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    [–]allnamesfckintaken -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    you are a very irritating child. you have irritated me greatly and i assume that amuses you. congratulations.

    [–]Mein_Kappa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Seems like you cant come up with an argument.

    [–]My3rdAccountThisweek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Which means that they arent worth buying for 60$

    [–]ImmaWeirdo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Most games? Most games now have too much padding for this very reason.

    [–]dvorakazertyqwerty 42ポイント43ポイント  (33子コメント)

    Now that Denuvo is bypassed I hope developers stop wasting money in shitty DRM and invest it on making better games.

    Also, I still want to buy some of the games that have Denuvo. I really hope they completely remove it because I'm not going to buy until then.

    [–]Raekhor 13ポイント14ポイント  (3子コメント)

    people thought the same thing after starforce

    [–]Psyko007i-5 4690k GTX 970 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Jesus that was among the most aggressive DRM I've ever seen. Gives me nightmares

    [–]blahblahlalawhoomp 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And it was made by the same people too.

    [–]Triplesixer 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You had to microwave your burnt cd's =D

    [–]FartingBob 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This version has been bypassed, but they will use the methods done here to strengthen the next version. Denovo is always going to be one step ahead, even if games do get cracked if it takes 6 months each time a new version is used then it's doing it's job and publishers will keep on using it for AAA games.

    [–]TaintedSquirrel4670K @ 4.3 | 980 Ti | PcPP: http://goo.gl/3eGy6C 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's an exploit with Steam, apparently. Denuvo reps are probably smacking Valve around with a large trout right now.

    [–]dankstanky 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It still take them a while and its not like they are day 1 cracks. Even if Denuvo only gives the game protection for the first few weeks of release, its still seen as a success.

    [–]Westify [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    To be fair a lot of these big releases with Denuvo are already great games.

    Doom, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Just Cause 3 are all fantastic.

    [–]dvorakazertyqwerty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I don't doubt it, but with 100.000$ more (if that number is correct) the games could be even better.

    [–]manzanapochaWatercooled i5 4690K / GTX 970 / 16GB RAM / Z97 board 22ポイント23ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Great news! Even though I buy my games, we need piracy as an incentive for publishers to NOT make shit games.

    Good games will sell well, regardless of piracy or DRM.

    [–]Chibi3147 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Or publishers are gonna go the f2p (not really) route and then the only games we can play are shit games.

    [–]My3rdAccountThisweek 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That leaves an empty niche so no.

    [–]amlast -5ポイント-4ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Only "shit" games get torrented?

    Which is why the top 10 games on torrents right now are "shit" correct?

    [–]12318532110 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Get real, ALL games are torrented. The difference being that good games will still sell well even if it's easily pirate-able.

    [–]NegNoodles 9ポイント10ポイント  (8子コメント)

    TBH I never understand wtf these companies intended to do in the first place...if they are like CDPR, making a quality game alone will attract sales. I mean I originally startedoff DLing it but then I bought it because I wanted to support it.

    Like, focus your damn resources in polishing the game to its utmost perfection. CDPR did JUST THAT withWitcher 3. Widely acclaimed game with almost no form of DRM and yet its spectacular sale numbers has allowed the company to go from virtually off radar to becoming one of the most well respected company in the current industry. THis is a route I think other companies should adopt, it's a win win. If you do something good, people will want to buy and support you. Dont half ass shit like JC3 and spend half their resources on Denuvo. People will never buy it to begin with with all that FPS and memory leak nonsense, so the Denuvo just went to waste

    [–]Riael 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    almost no form of DRM

    Literally no form.

    They're proud with it for a long while. "You can just copy the game on a CD give it to your friend and they'll be able to play"

    [–]NegNoodles 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I stand corrected.

    I know they started GOG to spread this philosophy as well, and I am truly admired by how they treat us consumers

    [–]Riael [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It's how it's supposed to happen...

    They should show a chart with their profits and whatnot, maybe that'll get more companies to change their mindsets.

    ... But it really is our fault for allowing them to do that. We could easily move on to GoG especially with the galaxy thing they did a while ago.

    [–]shakaman_ -4ポイント-3ポイント  (4子コメント)

    The Witcher 2 is one of the most pirated games of all time

    [–]L0rdwar8 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Nice stat you got there.

    [–]NegNoodles 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Was referring to 3 though. 2 wasnt as successful as 3

    [–]uScared 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It still sold like a hot cake. The last number I saw back from 2014 was like, wat, more then 8 million sales.

    It was a resounding success and Im sure more then 1 pirate ended up buying the game.

    [–]NegNoodles 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well since March, it was around W3 sold 10mil, making up half of what the entire franchise made as a whole; 20mil.

    http://www.gamespot.com/articles/witcher-3-ships-almost-10-million-copies-report/1100-6435592/

    But for something that started off strong yet unrecognized, remained and grew stronger with each title and then the recognition just skyrocketed, it's nothing short of impressive.

    [–]__BIOHAZARD___Ultrawide Master Race 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Will this make JC3 run better without Denuvo?

    [–]N4N4KI 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    They have not removed Denuvo just spoofed it so it looks like you legitimately have the game on steam, you still need a steam account and you still need to get a Denuvo token from their access servers.

    [–]Dungegtx 970, xb270hu 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Now only missing games that launch by uPlay or Origins.. Unravel, Far Cry Primal and HomeFront. Also Batman fully patched.

    [–]naossoan 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't really understand how this works. You have to buy one of these games legitimately, then you can trick steam into thinking you own any of them?

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      You have to buy until then. people thought the same game costs less in India than the US.

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        Denovo is always going to have games that have Denuvo.

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          [–]martiestry [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Is this denuvo done now? Or until the next iteration? Its been one the best prevention of piracy we have ever seen so it would be bad news. Feel sorry for the Inside devs.

          [–]mathhate [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Devil's advocate: Denuvo works and is unobtrusive.

          Even if you crack Denuvo, time invested in the crack guarantees the crucial launch period is isolated from piracy. Denuvo is the best method of copy protection right now, and will keep being used.

          [–]tppieli5 3470 / Gigabyte R9 290 4GB / 12GB RAM / Samsung 840 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I didn't pirate any of these games, have a big enough backlog of legit ones unplayed already, but from what I read in other forums Denuvo hasn't been cracked.

          The crack author found an exploit in Steam allowing it to launch games that you don't own and making Steam believe that you're running a demo.

          So in theory all it takes is a Steam client patch to fix the exploit, and all these cracks will stop working, unless you download the game now and somehow manage to keep Steam in offline mode forever.

          Even for pirates this seems really inconvenient when they can probably get any of these games for $5 or $10 in a sale in the next few months.

          [–]N4N4KI 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          unless you download the game now and somehow manage to keep Steam in offline mode forever.

          that won't work, you get issued Denuvo tokens, that have a built in expiration date, to add to the fun if you change your system at all (incl install drivers and windows update) you will need to go get a new token.

          [–]RadioActiveLobsterI need to upgrade soon... 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I'm curious as to if this bypassed version of Just Cause 3 still suffers from some of the performance issues that people speculated were caused by Denuvo.

          [–]N4N4KI 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

          They have not removed Denuvo just spoofed it so it looks like you legitimately have the game on steam, you still need a steam account and you still need to get a Denuvo token from their access servers.

          [–]James_bdFX-8350 | R9 390 8GB Asus Strix 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Someone in the comment said it was still running awfully. Looking at MGS V, which runs amazingly well on PC and has Denuvo, I don't think Just Cause 3's shitty optimization is caused by Denuvo.

          [–]Psyko007i-5 4690k GTX 970 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Caused by online connectivity, in part. I played that game offline and performance increased significantly for me.

          [–]DoubleBO -4ポイント-3ポイント  (7子コメント)

          This is great news for gaming, now we can finaly buy these games without having a moral dillema.

          [–]lext 12ポイント13ポイント  (6子コメント)

          You can't. Every purchase of a Denuvo game is paying the publisher to work on stronger DRMs, and paying them to include stronger DRM in future games. It's how we got Denuvo in the first place.

          We need a bigger push for DRM-free games. Boycott all Denuvo games. Don't post about them. Don't buy them. If you must play them, try to get them on consoles or borrow the game from a friend.

          [–]amlast 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Show us a gamer's boycott that has ever worked..

          Most games have Denuvo and most people a) don't care and b) understand why developers choose it

          [–]Cory123125I5 6500,16gb ram,1070 FTW http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2twXvV 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Boycotts dont work. You say it as if its because the consumer is weak or something, but really most boycotts you see are a minority that actually care and the only time you see people speak with their wallets its not addressed as such. Instead we just say "oh, that game failed". Look at battleborn for example. That game failed. No fancy boycott term needed.

          [–]amlast 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Battleborn didn't perform as expected because it came out in the shadow of Overwatch

          There are a million reasons why a game can sell well or do badly

          [–]Cory123125I5 6500,16gb ram,1070 FTW http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/2twXvV 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

          There are a million reasons why a game can sell well or do badly

          Yes, and my point is, people do vote with their wallets. Boycotts you hear about simply arent the types that will work. Which I guess really conflates a boycott with simply not buying a game.

          [–]Westify [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Not on Denuvo they don't. Titles like Just Cause 3, Doom and Rise of the Tomb Raider have sold well on PC regardless of Denuvo.

          [–]bobdoleraisetaxes -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah but then you have other assholes like in this thread, "but it [drm] doesn't hurt anyone" and other such justifications. Maybe 5-10 years from now if things continue this way, were going to have games that are so invasive, extremely subject to permanent loss even though you're legit, and inability to replay those games after a few years.

          And then a few people will be thinking "aw man how did this happen. Who knew drm would make it so it's unplayable years from now".

          Idiots. Nothing about drm is good for the consumer. It doesn't help the publisher, it only hurts you and every other customer.

          Drm is seriously so ridiculous.

          Not just in games..but it's to the point where systems are disallowing taking screenshots of a video because "oh god think of the piracy!!".

          When monitors and TV's spend a large portion of their connection time handshaking to ensure their content is "secure"(from you), and most of the issues that go wrong with connections is actually thanks to DRM, and we're paying for all of this in everything, every adapter, every tv, every device - - things are seriously fucked up.

          [–]TankEnthusiast76 -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

          What does it mean for a game to be cracked ?

          [–]Westify [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          It means a 3rd party "patch" has been released which circumvents the copyright protection allowing anybody to play the game without purchasing it.

          [–]baddazoner -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

          so patch incoming any week now and this bypass stops working and everyone goes back to complaining about having to buy games