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Help! My friend lost 19 coins on breadwallet! (self.Bitcoin)

Myjunkisonfire が 投稿

He lived on the otherside of the world and wanted to put some $ into bitcoin so I helped him buy and told him to download breadwallet. I sent $1 as a test. Then $15,000 aud. The next morning there's a sent transaction for the whole amount. He doesn't even know how to send yet and didn't plan to. Help! What's our recourse!

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[–]aaronvoisine 8ポイント9ポイント  (16子コメント)

Are you sure your friend downloaded breadwallet by breadwallet LLC, and not the imposter scam app that was briefly in the app store last weekend?

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

On closer inspection of his iTunes purchases it doesn't have the LLC but it's identical in every other way. So fucked up Apple lets that shit through!

[–]aaronvoisine 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

Please ask him to file a police report. Apple may have information about the authors identity they could give to the police.

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Will do. This is blatant fraud and theft!

[–]Feri22 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How the fuck can Apple Store allow the totaly same names of apps??? it just boosts scaming and r.a.t incentives

[–]yogibreakdanceredditor for 1 month [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm more surprised why those real bitcoin wallets haven't made their way into apple store leaving opportunity for scammers.

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] 1ポイント2ポイント  (8子コメント)

What were some differences? He did get a notification from Apple today asking to check for unauthorized apps. He downloaded it on Wednesday. Was the scam one still there then? He is in the US I am in Aus so I can't see their App Store.

[–]--__--____--__-- [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

get a lawyer and sue apple immediately, also have him reach out to press blaming Apple

[–]vdramaliev [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

"Sue apple immediately" the lack of realism is strong in this one :D

[–]--__--____--__-- [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Why they were complicit in grand theft

[–]jargonoidredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Someone got into my computer and stole my passwords! I'm gonna sue Microsoft!

Might as well sue Al Gore for inventing the Internet.

[–]Filthyunderwear [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is different. Apple allowed someone to use their system illegally. They may hold some responsibility.

[–]10mmauto [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sue Apple for $15k AUD? Hilarious.

I hope Apple is investigating who approved the malicious wallets. They were likely part of or directly related to the scams.

[–]btcchefredditor for 3 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Sorry I have to laugh at this. Someone wants to dabble in bitcoin so they decide putting 15k on their phone is a grand idea. Fucking idiots

[–]Dr_Bitcoin 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

Prob downloaded a scammed version, apple has been accepting a lot of scam wallets... Someone should sue them?!

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is this a viable option? This really compromises their 'Apple garden of Eden' mantra. We've lost $11,000USD. What's to stop fake Wells Fargo or Chase apps??

[–]keatonatron 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please send an e-mail to support@breadwallet.com and let them know what action you take.

[–]diamondbit [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Wow this is really unacceptable.. And your friend will never touch Bitcoin again. Sad

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Never again. And will likely spread the word. The average end user needs to be careful but this is ridiculous.

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://imgur.com/a/6AsyP

[–]Introshine [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Prob. the fake Breadwallet thing that has been going on.

Sorry, can't really make anything else out of it. Consider the coins gone. This really sucks though. Apple's walled garden #fail

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] 2ポイント3ポイント  (4子コメント)

I told him breadwallet. How closely were they replicated? Fingerprint ID, recovery phase. All the same?

[–]HostFat 0ポイント1ポイント  (3子コメント)

You had to send him the link to the app directly.

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm in Aus App Store he is US. I didn't even know a fake existed. We did it on video chat and I saw the breadwallet icon and went 'yep that one'. This is really apples fault for allowing this bullshit.

[–]keatonatron 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apple is at fault for allowing the fake app. It used the same logo and even the exact same name as the real breadwallet app. It was nearly impossible to tell the difference! It was taken down after a few days, but with hundreds of people downloading breadwallet every day, quite a few people must have downloaded it before it was deleted.

[–]--__--____--__-- -4ポイント-3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apple is fraud

[–]burstup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There were a lot of fake bitcoin wallets on the appstore lately, some of them look like breadwallet. :-(

[–]mastil12345668 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Hey, complain to apple, they are liable if they are approving scam apps... its not so hard to notice that it has the exact same name as another app...

[–]AlttemcoinAcc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This could also be a double scam: .

It would be difficult for Apple, or redditors, to differentiate between you and someone who is pulling a con. .

Con would be hearing about the fake wallets, downloading one to facilitate a scam on Apple. Indicating that the hacked wallet stole the funds. .

In reality they moved them with the intention of making a hullabaloo, then contacting Apple, hoping that with a few legal requests and posturing over a court case, they could get an out of court settlement and make bank.

[–]BobAlison [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

To receive any help from this community, you're going to need to reveal more information - specifically a transaction id at least.

Keep in mind that doing so will severely compromise your financial privacy, and that of your friend. I don't recommend it.

/u/aaronvoisine is the creator of BreadWallet. You might take it up with him privately to start.

Before you do anything, though, make sure you understand change:

http://bitzuma.com/posts/five-ways-to-lose-money-with-bitcoin-change-addresses/

http://bitzuma.com/posts/who-needs-bitcoin-change-addresses-anyway/

[–]Calm_down_stupid [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Unlike butfinex gamblers I feel sorry for you and your friend, you have genuinely lost money to a scam unlike the gamblers who were warned again and again against leaving money on exchanges but chose to chase the easy money aware of previous hacks .

You need to contact the police and ( not sure how it works in your country) and get a crime number and then contact apple. I personally think apple will just try to fob you off though, pretty sure they will have somthing in small print saying they can't be liable for losses due to dodgy apps.

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right! I'm well aware of the risks with exchanges!

What's stopping me from replicating a fake app for Chase or Wells Fargo and hoping people throw some passwords in. The banks would be down Apples throat! How apple can let a very obvious copy go through is awful mismanagement. I'd expect something like this on Google play app. I believed everything was vetted on Apple? Clearly not.

[–]torulatv 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/breadwallet

[–]InfamousAndroid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There's too damn many fake apps popping up. Use a trezor wallet/keepkey or anything reliable. I nearly lost £200 in breadwallet last night and I thought I had bad day! :I

[–]InfamousAndroid [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I wish you luck with obtaining your funds back also.

[–]vamprismredditor for 2 months [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is messed up. Apple is at fault.

Any comment from u/breadwallet?

[–]GBG-glenn [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is the reason why i'd never help anyone buy btc. I'd be happy to tell anyone what btc is and how it works, but i'd never want to be the one responsible for someone's loss.

If the person is not interested in knowing what they're buying then they shouldn't be buying it. Storing $15,000 AUD on a phone?

I feel bad for you thought. Trying to be nice and help out and it goes the other way around.

[–]AlttemcoinAcc [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

I'm not saying you didn't do due diligence here, as I understand Apple is supposed to be walled to some extent.

However when I first purchased I did a little research, and ended up;

  • downloading a live "tails" install,
  • setting it up on a thumbdrive,
  • Booting into it from an offline PC
  • enabling the secure encrypted storage part.
  • firing up the inc. electrum and making a wallet
  • (saving seed etc and getting the master public key)

Using the master Public to set up a "watching only wallet" on Online PC Then sending the £200 / 0.4btc @ the time Even then I was avidly watching the tx till they confirmed. .

Even with one weeks research I was totally not going to use a ONLINE wallet, of any kind to do anything but "watch" my transactions, as I knew the key is the money. (easy enough to do offline signing with the tails install) . To Send Tens of thousands to any online hot wallet....well lets say its not something I would ever be comfortable with.

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

For the average computer user that seriously sounds harder than trying to buy illegal diamonds as an investment. I've used breadwallet for 2 years and have been happy moving 10s of thousands on and off an exchange. I know there are less scrupulous apps around and even though he was on the other side of the world I made sure the breadwallet icon came up on the video chat. I didn't know Apple would allow such an obvious exact copy to be vetted and so it didn't even cross my mind that would be an issue.

Do you break down and analyze every pain medication you take when you buy it from a legitimate pharmacist? No. I assumed the same trust with Apple and they gave me a poison pill.

[–]AltF [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I promise it's really not that hard.

And maybe your junk wouldn't be on fire had you taken better care of your friend.

[–]AlttemcoinAcc [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like the cut of your jib there sir.

Yes I don't know many people who can't boot of off a USB and open a wallet. If they can't I'd say they should probably find out, or leave crypto alone - and at the least they should not set themselves up as a knowledgeable preceptor to a friend on how to invest and secure thousands of dollars.

[–]AlttemcoinAcc [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Take away is that a hot wallet is not just unsafe for finex it's unsafe for anyone, and should be used for small amounts only. That's a pretty simple concept - and would have lead to loosing a few pounds not thousands.

And to answer your dig... Yes Actually I do! at one time I took coproxamol, (random painkiller) which after a few years they found out was causing heart attacks. Source That led to a little research into Pharmaceutical companies and Doctors kickbacks, for using a particular brand. Then on to research about drug testing and trials, and how opposite conclusions from same data are rampant. Retractions of studies after going to market, are at an all-time high; recent cases of fraud have shaken many fields. Example

I "break down and analyze" every part of my life, esp what's ingested or environmentally close, (as my local council can attest as they spend thousands getting rid of the damaged asbestos ceilings and floor tiles in my building)

I'd be a poor excuse for a human if I didn't take logical intelligent steps to know what is going on around me - esp when we have the entire internet at our disposal.

I'd also be just poor, if I used a new cryptocurrency without a little knowledge on how it can be stolen.

[–]AlttemcoinAcc [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

AppleStore has been insecure for at least the last six years, if your only research was the question you asked here post

(paraphrasing)

[Myjunkisonfire]...As long as I have my restore code written down and secure they're all safe right?
Or would you recommend something else?

And didn't do any searches AppleStore Virus for example.

Getting infected on a PC is usually from downloading an infected app, so it follows getting an infected app on you iphone is going to be from the place you get you iphone apps - the AppleAppStore.

Not trying to be clever at your expense here, really. But as you have by post admission, introduced many people to this, you may want to include some security tips the next time you introduce someone.

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yea I understand some apps can be compromised, but what you're saying is essentially never use your phone for money, banking, stock trading etc. for fear of your device being compromised.

[–]--__--____--__-- -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Inside job

[–]gr8n8au -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

dam is your friend angry?

[–]Myjunkisonfire[S] 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fucking livid. Understandably.