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Just a reminder to the community... (self.BackYardChickens)

jrwreno[M] が 投稿 - announcement

I should not have to say this, but any person that admits to illegally cock-fighting, providing for it (breeding and selling to cock fighters), attempts to justify it, or otherwise supporting it....

WILL BE BANNED

The same being said for anyone that encourages or commits any grossly illegal crime, for example killing/maiming protected raptor/birds of prey, torturing or neglecting animals, etc.

No. Just...no. It is illegal for a reason, period.

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[–]Satoyama_Will 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

I had no idea that people would come on here to do that.

[–]Kellelely 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I would never have guessed until I saw a post about it the other day... I was naively surprised

[–]Hensanddogs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dear me. I am horrified it would have been here.

[–]Basdad 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

This has been one of a couple of reddit sites where content is supportive, educational, informative. I hate to see this type of content described on here, and agree with the ban as proposed.

[–]SuperNixon 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't want to be the dick here, but i think this rule hinges on the word "illegal". There are still places in the USA and in this world where cockfighting is completely legal,sanctioned by the government, and has been going on for generations. I don't think that we should be turning people away because of cultural differences .

My neighbor raises chickens for cock fighting as his dad and grandfather before him. Do i agree with it? No, but who the hell am i to discredit someone else's culture? Whaling is illegal, but nobody goes up to Alaska and yells at the Eskimos, because they've been doing it for a while. Why should cockfighting be any different?

Edit: i would prefer not to be banned, but let's remember that cock fighting isn't illegal everywhere. In a lot of places it's a celebrated cultural tradition.

[–]jrwreno[S] 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anything that is abusive or inhumane will not be allowed here. That means if a person instructs their own dog run out, catch, and maul to death/shake to death a chicken for shits n giggles....and they post a video here, I will ban them. This sub is rooted in the backyard hobby culture that raises/culls their poultry humanely.

[–]bakaferret 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is as silly as saying that we should respect India for sanctioning arranged marriages with child brides. Or female genital mutilation because of "cultural differences". Or, perhaps a closer example, as silly as saying that we should allow the production of bear bile because it is an ancient Chinese tradition. Cockfighting is not the first, nor will it be the last, "traditional" activity that must transition with the times. (See: dog fighting).

By the way, you are wrong about whaling. It is NOT illegal for Inuits to hunt whales, because it is considered Aboriginal Subsistence Whaling. They don't get a pass because "it's tradition", they get a pass because they use it to sustain themselves.

You are also wrong about cockfighting. It is illegal in ALL 50 states.

[–]SuperNixon -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Alright, you've forced me to reply because you're response is littered with hyperbole and misinformation.

First, there is a huge fucking difference between child wives, female circumcision, and anything else concerning people and a livestock animal. Chickens have no rights, and if it was born in the Continental US, odds are it would have its beak torn off, live in a incredibly small cage, and be fed with a tube until it was taken for food processing.

We're going to really argue what's less ethical, slaughtering baby male chickens before they even get a chance at life or celebrating male chickens, giving them great cages and the best food and then making them eventually fight? I am no philosopher so i can't say what's worse. But, i can tell you that these guys love their birds. It's a cultural tradition that's been handed down from father to son since the time before Christ. I routinely see my neighbor teaching his grandson the old ways of chicken handling and the ways of their sport.

Let's talk about the Inuit for a second, because i think your missing what i mean. I know that they legally hunt whales, even though there is a moratorium against it by a larger government body, that literally was my point. They're allowed to do it because they have been doing it for thousands of years and it's built into their culture. You do realize that they use speedboats, forklifts and other large mechanical equipment, right? That the rest of the year they just to the fucking grocery store like everyone else? Or are you thinking that Nanook of the North is living up there surviving on whale blubber in his igloo?

Did you read past the first sentence of that Wikipedia page? I am positive that you didn't so here let me quote you the entire paragraph about where in the US it's legal.

Cockfighting remains legal in the unincorporated US territories of Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Northern Mariana Islands, and Guam; particularly in Guam and Puerto Rico, cockfighting is a popular spectator pastime with centuries of tradition, thanks to the islands' shared history as Spanish colonies. In 2006, the Virgin Islands adopted a law banning modifications such as the use of artificial spurs. This move, along with the aforementioned 2014 farm bill, sparked fears that cockfighting would be banned everywhere on US soil,[64] but as of 2015 these fears have not materialized.

Considering that i am a moderator of /r/guam i will give you a guess which of those i live in. So here in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA where it's legal, they have a cultural tradition of thousands of years of cock fighting. I don't do it, i don't justify it, but i am damn sure not going to condemn a tradition that's existed before the times of christ.

PS i have literally no idea about bear bile, that's on china to decide.

[–]bakaferret 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll try to be brief. I understand that there's a difference between my extreme examples. The reason why I used them is because saying "because tradition" is a very, very poor example. We don't slaughter baby chicks "because tradition". It's also painless and instantaneous. I am not sure why we are comparing which animal gets a "better life" as this is Backyard Chickens, not Commercial Poultry Management. Talk about extreme examples.

The theory behind subsistence whaling is that it is allowed as a need. If this has changed, I would hope that the laws would change with it. I still wouldn't say "no one cares" when it happens in Alaska, that's silly. You and I both know there are protests all the time. It's a bad example.

I read the entire Wikipedia page; that's why I said all fifty states. I assumed when you said legal in the USA, you meant the contiguous United States and not self-governing territories. My bad. I would be willing to bet, however, that 99.9% of people on this subreddit are from the contiguous US. Doesn't it make sense to you to ban something that is illegal for nearly all of the members of this subreddit? Why would we make an exception for the very very very few? As a moderator of /r/guam, wouldn't you say that that is a more appropriate sub for cockfighting?

My main point is that "because tradition" is silly and needs to change. Trust me, I have a degree in Animal Science and took poultry management...I had a best friend who did a lecture on cockfighting and how it's not as bad as people think it is. But come on, give me a better reason than "tradition" for justification. Other traditions that have existed for centuries: Dog fighting Bull fighting Bear Baiting

For every culturally traditional cockfight in Guam, there are hundreds of backyard assholes in the states who just wanna see some blood. "Because culture" is a silly excuse, because while many things started out as a long standing an ethical cultural tradition, in many places, it has no place in modern society.