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[–]TopTrumpWANKER 305ポイント306ポイント  (296子コメント)

The guy behind it, a Vice journalist, seems really happy about it: https://twitter.com/WailQ

"If you are angry and upset at #Shutdown of Heathrow, we have noted your silence on the killing of Black people. This is why it happens."

Maybe I'm completely ignorant, but I thought the UK did not have issues like the US like this?

[–]CRAZEDDUCKlingN. Somerset 121ポイント122ポイント  (1子コメント)

I expect people were angry and upset because they had places to be, and regardless on their stance on the killing of black people, they were a little bit miffed that a group of morons had blocked off the airport.

[–]ComputerJerkHampshire 198ポイント199ポイント  (50子コメント)

I thought the UK did not have issues like the US like this?

Tragedies happen and the police have gotten caught out trying to wallpaper over them a few times in the last decade or so, but it's definitely rare. And when we do find out, it's not a flash in the pan... It's a years long enquiry that leads to reform.

Not that it matters to these people, they just want attention for themselves. It's not about fixing anything, it's about getting twitter followers.

[–]sp8derNorthumberland 44ポイント45ポイント  (13子コメント)

It's not about fixing anything, it's about getting twitter followers.

Kind of. It's about being seen to be being a "good person", much like all the overacted displays of public mourning and prayers for the family on Facebook every time a minor celebrity dies. They want to be visibly seen doing the "right thing" to boost their own personal standing.

[–]JamJarreLiverpewl 10ポイント11ポイント  (8子コメント)

The last significant one I remember was Stephen Lawrence, about which there has been a tremendous amount of - deserved - fuss.

We just don't have the same problems in this area as the US. But I guess people want to be part of all the fun.

[–]UNSKIALzPSNNorthern Ireland 131ポイント132ポイント  (28子コメント)

Vice journalist

Of bloody course.

[–]StezzerLolzDerbyshire 39ポイント40ポイント  (3子コメント)

I really enjoyed when the onion did a parody series mocking Vice, titled 'Edge'. They really captured something.

[–]InvisibleTextAreaLancashire 19ポイント20ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here's a link to The Onions 'Edge'.

http://www.onionstudios.com/series/edge

[–]SpecsaversGazaKent 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

My fave was the "Kisha Nai: Inside The Japanese Subculture Of Ignoring American Reporters Even If They're Rad As Hell".

[–]rejerer 69ポイント70ポイント  (3子コメント)

Vice journalist

Read that as: unemployed hipster blogger.

[–]DougRocket 25ポイント26ポイント  (6子コメント)

What I find especially hilarious is that Gavin McInnes, one of the founders of Vice and considered one of the main driving forces behind "hipsters" becoming a subculture is basically the average Vice reading hipsters arch enemy: Pro gun, Trump supporting, MRA etc.

[–]drugzfukdmeup 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was forced out because he disagreed with big money advertisers on what type of content to publish.

[–]SpecsaversGazaKent 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've met a VICE "reporter", he was totally charmless and unlike every other writer I've ever met was incredibly vague about who else he had written for, etc. We ended up nicknaming him "The Skinless Foetus".

[–]mister_barfly75Medway 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a great name for a Death Metal band.

[–]Truly_KhoroshoGloucestershire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

"The Skinless Foetus"

Well, that's just...
I don't know, is it a step up from "Vice Journalist"?

[–]sortitthefuckout 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vice journalist

My oxymoron detector is tingling...

[–]Goatley3 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Vice is just the Independent with more balls and less brains.

[–]hogger85 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mark Duggan is what they spout. However unlike the US, he was a criminal and dangerous and on the run with a firearm (not saying he deserved to die, but compared to killing someone oin the street in front of their family for reaching towards their pocket)

[–]spottybotty 53ポイント54ポイント  (7子コメント)

In the USA it's about the killings, which is why the movement is named as it is. In the UK, we do have racism, and it is a problem, but we're not seeing the police regularly killing black people in the same way (though there are instances of it happening, it's not an everyday thing).

So you have to kind of add a bit of metaphor to get the UK side of things. It sort of means "black people have rights too and that matters and racism is wrong". Which is all good, but it's not as snappy and doesn't have the same instant recognition.

But: then the group goes and offers such a false dichotomy as justification for their actions and I start to think of them as idiots.

Though I wholeheartedly support the cause of ending racism and promoting equality, this isn't the way to do it. A protest march is a good thing to do. Blockading a police station I could understand (since that's a main target of the movement and I have witnessed UK police racism first hand and it's not nice).

But preventing normal people from going on a holiday at the peak of the season, and causing huge disruption? OK, it's a great big statement and it's going to get you lots of attention. But it will be overwhelmingly negative attention. They are making enemies, not friends with this action.

I wonder how many young black kids were in cars heading towards flights that now either got massively delayed or cannot go on holiday? And they are telling those kids: what, exactly? "Your lives matter except when you want to do something that we, a small group, disapprove of"? Fuck that. Fuck that to all the affected non-black kids, too, and all the affected adults.

How many people in that chaos had a neutral view before, but now have a massively negative view of the cause? How many racists will use that action to justify their racism?

This protest was ill-conceived and damages the causes which it claims to be trying to promote.

And I'm willing to bet that the only reason they held such an event - where a handful number of people can cause such disruption - is that there is only a handful of idiots who thought this was a good idea.

[–]Itstheusual 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's Vice. They are still trading as a whole off of the small amount of decent work their documentary team do, but it's by and large full of self important hacks and click bait whores.

[–]hollowcrown51Cambridge 56ポイント57ポイント  (51子コメント)

The issues with police and race in the UK are nowhere near as bad as in the USA but they are indeed present.

[–]TopTrumpWANKER 29ポイント30ポイント  (49子コメント)

Not denying it, but do you have any examples? (or any that are anywhere near as blatantly bad as Eric Garner)

Edit: Not sure why I'm being downvoted for asking a question.

[–]hollowcrown51Cambridge 24ポイント25ポイント  (48子コメント)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-people-still-far-more-likely-to-be-stopped-and-searched-by-police-than-other-ethnic-groups-10444436.html

Black people are far more likely to be stopped and searched by Police in the UK.

In one county – Dorset – a black person was 17 times more likely to be stopped and searched than a white person, the figures showed.

The statistics also revealed that less than a quarter of the searches resulted in an arrest – with a far lower proportion in most areas – which will fuel complaints that police are still too willing to employ their search powers.

[–]KingOffaOfMercia 41ポイント42ポイント  (10子コメント)

What are the stats for Asian people?

Unlike the US where the largest visible minority are Black, here in England most non-white people are Asian. So wouldn't stats on that group be important too? If we wanted to see a trend.

[–]gazzthompsonNorfolk 5ポイント6ポイント  (9子コメント)

[–]KingOffaOfMercia 23ポイント24ポイント  (8子コメント)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34511532

Asians are less likely to be tasered than white people though.

I reckon the issue is more complicated than people are trying to make it out to be.

[–]randomcallsignMiddlesex | Poortugeezer 10ポイント11ポイント  (6子コメント)

Never put some sense in front of something that can be a good thing for armchair activists

[–]Milky1985 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

The odd thing is when you actually look at the stats in terms of prosecutions while there is a "overstop" as it were, its actually only very slight. Its a hard thing to talk about really because you could argue both that there is a disproportionate number of black offenders, or that the stops mean more are found and its unfairly targeting the black community.

[edit] Also read the article, it points out quite clearly that the number is based on incomplete info, there are a lot of people in the area not in the census data and a lot of tourism. The number has been chosen for the shock value, but my be highly inaccurate due to the methodology used to create it. There liekly still is a issue with overstopping, just not to the degree its making out.

[–]AcidJilesSussex 16ポイント17ポイント  (5子コメント)

In 2014 (ONS) in Dorset 6% of Stop and search was Black people, at the crown court 6.5% of those found guilty were black and at magistrates 3.5% of those guilty were black. Based on actual relevant figures black people seem to be very slightly over stopped by stop and search. The breakdown for the types of crime black people in commit in Dorset is not readily available but given black people's over prevalence in violent crime statistics in the UK (8% of violent crime) I would imagine Dorset numbers would follow that trend too. So while slightly over stopped if the crimes black people are committing in Dorset are more serious than the norm it would make sense to pick them up slightly more.

[–]plsbmyfrend 27ポイント28ポイント  (22子コメント)

Because they are more likely to be breaking the law, that is the sad truth. It's not a question of skin colour but economic welbeing. More black people are poor, more turn to crime, therefore more are stopped. The police stopping black people is a non issue. Don't perpetuate this shit.

[–]KingOffaOfMercia 61ポイント62ポイント  (30子コメント)

Black queer radical

Fuck me what a knob.

[–]OirishM 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black queer radical

Parklife

[–]Wild_Hunt 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pop over to r/anarchism and you'll find people using this as everyday language

[–]Battle_BiscuitsHong Kong 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maxing out on the oppression points.

[–]iNEEDheplreddit 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only thing being oppressed about that boy are his balls in his skinny jeans.

[–]PM_ME_UR_PERIDOT 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is ridiculous. People don't want them to move because they're racist, people want them to move so they can use the Airport. I mean, even I count myself as left-wing, but this is a step too far.

[–]twwp 31ポイント32ポイント  (18子コメント)

These people are so fucking arrogant. As if literally black lives is the only cause in the entire world - I could use the same argument to shut down Heathrow for a hundred different reasons.

Fuck them. I'm boycotting Vice now.

[–]bluescrn 19ポイント20ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck them. I'm boycotting Vice now.

They should already be with Gawker sites on most people's mental list of 'clickbait sites that are best avoided'

[–]EuphemiaPhoenixIndependent Republic of Scouseland, Europe 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will admit that one of my guilty pleasures is occasionally reading Vice to remind myself how glad I am not to be living in London anymore :P

[–]SpecsaversGazaKent 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I boycotted VICE and you won't believe what happened next."

[–]michaelisnotgingerLeeds 17ポイント18ポイント  (67子コメント)

https://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2016/apr/19/why-do-uk-media-fail-to-cover-the-deaths-of-black-people-in-custody

Not as pronounced as the US but there are still questions

Although the Guardian carried a report about Sarah Reed’s death, in which is raised questions about her treatment by the police, what was lacking was “sustained media attention” on her case.

Reed’s death is one of 1,500 deaths in police custody since 1990. That total includes more than 500 victims from ethnic minority backgrounds, despite only making up 14% of the UK population.

[–]DrStangle 18ポイント19ポイント  (1子コメント)

So I had a look at the study they reference.

So according to this study between 1990 and 2016, 145 BAME people have died in police custody.

And according to this study in the same time frame 1028 people have died in police custody.

So the percentage of BAME deaths is 145/1028 ~ %14.1.

And according to the ONS, England and Wales are 86% white so to say that the number of BAME people who die in police custody is disproportionate is most certainly FALSE.

[–]TopTrumpWANKER 44ポイント45ポイント  (55子コメント)

despite only making up 14% of the UK population

Again, not denying there may be something wrong here - but surely the better statistic here is percent of people arrested, not total population?

[–]DogBotherer 16ポイント17ポイント  (12子コメント)

Although, even if that were the only reason, it would invite the question why ethnic minorities are "over-represented" in arrest statistics - economics, culture, policing policy, racism?

[–]sciuridae_Derbyshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd argue a mix of economics, policing, and racism, personally. Historic racism and poor treatment towards black people lead to them being disproportionately more likely to be poor compared to white people, people from low income backgrounds are less likely to be educated and more likely to commit crime, black people became stereotyped as being more criminal so they were policed more heavily, and while our current racism issue isn't as bad as it used to be (and certainly nowhere near as bad as America's!) subconscious ingrained racism is still prevalent. I doubt many police consciously have a problem with black people or think racist thoughts (again, unlike America), but studies have shown that even the most vocal anti-racism campaigners often subconsciously associate black people with negative things and have to work to suppress those biases.

[–]DogBotherer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not going to address your specific analysis, but I certainly agree it's a complex interplay between those factors. I would just add that there are now some very good experimental procedures to demonstrate to people their levels of subconscious racism/racial preference/prejudice/bias. For example.

[–]michaelisnotgingerLeeds 13ポイント14ポイント  (37子コメント)

Depends - I believe in some regions black people are 17.5 times more likely to be stopped and searched even if black people are less likely to carry drugs source. You'd probably have to search via convictions over that time period (a time period which includes the Met being deemed 'institutionally racist')

Are we as bad as America - goodness no. And I think Mark Duggan is a controversial figure at best to be staking their claim to. But I believe there are certainly valid concerns

[–]TopTrumpWANKER 34ポイント35ポイント  (30子コメント)

But don't you think protests like this will cause growing resentment of the wider black population? I've seen comments today that a protest 'should always cause inconvenience, that's what gets the message out'. I disagree. A protest is designed to spread a message -- and, as you've said, it sounds like there is a message to share. But people are not going to read into the nuanced message you've posted above; people are going to hear that black people illegally shutdown motorways and caused many families to miss their summer holiday. They're not going to read further into the issue, most people are going to think negatively about the cause.

A protest, as I said, should be about getting a message out. If you're going to cause inconvenience, do it to those that you are protesting. Remember the Tiananmen Square protest? Widely seen as one of the most effective protests of all time? That caused inconvenience for the political and military figures they were protesting. Remember the 'I Had A Dream Speech'? That was during the 'March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom' rally, a protest that had thousands come to Washington DC's political areas. It didn't disrupt the lay person -- it disrupted politicians but, crucially, got their message out.

Laying across the road and causing mass-inconvenience is not a 'protest'. It is temporary inconvenience that will be forgotten once the roads open again, while letting the phrase 'Black Lives Matter' be linked in the layperson's mind, not to the nuanced message of the cause, but to the people that caused trouble for a few hours and let fellow lay people miss their holiday or (if ambulances cannot get through) risk people's lives.

[–]michaelisnotgingerLeeds 15ポイント16ポイント  (28子コメント)

The Civil Rights movement in the 1960s very much did cause low-level disruption and brought tension to communities. It wasn't just a few peaceful marches. 1965 was known as 'the Year of Riots'. I've posted a quotation elsewhere from MLK:

irst, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season

Do I think these protests will cause upset? Yes probably. And they probably will fail for the same reason BLM in the USA are failing, because they lack a central narrative and a central order to control that narrative, and as a result fringe participants will carry out fringe actions. But I can also see there are very valid issues that they are protesting about.

I really am quite surprised by how negatively this sub and the general media are against the issue, when Fathers4Justice were carrying out actions as well the media tone was much more positive.

[–]TopTrumpWANKER 16ポイント17ポイント  (10子コメント)

I can also see there are very valid issues that they are protesting about.

I agree. Which is why the protest needs to be framed in a way that PUSHES people to read further into the issues (or involve speeches that explain it clearly).

when Fathers4Justice were carrying out actions as well the media tone was much more positive.

Fathers4Justice do silly things like climb up Buck Palace, they don't shut down roads and airports that cause inconvenience for thousands. That, in turn, gets a good photo, doesn't cause inconvenience enough to the layperson and allows the resulting media coverage to talk about their message.

The Civil Rights movement in the 1960s very much did cause low-level disruption

Yes, but my point is the most EFFECTIVE protests were the ones that didn't cause disruption to the layperson.

[–]lurker093287h 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it's complex, public opinion really started to tilt heavily in favour of the civil rights movement when they had big peaceful marches in segregated southern cities and were attacked by the police, they were seen as victims of the southern police forces and local elites. Before then there seems to have be scepticism and criticism of disruptions etc. I think that tactics do matter and other groups who employ disruption etc like feminists and environmentalists have been shown to get a negative image because of this, especially when people don't 100% agree with or understand their goals.

Also much more importantly imo King and some of the other civil rights leaders and committees actively tried to involve universal concepts and campaigned for white people in similar situations. When he was shot King was supporting a strike by sanitation workers as part of the 'poor people's campaign', black workers were a large part of those who would benefit but this was a universal concept that white and other groups benefited from also, this seems to be how you build broad based support.

I kind of feel like the kind of exclusive black nationalism that blacklivesmatter represents is not particularly applicable to the UK and even in the US it is more complicated and less overtly racialised than presented. There is a overrepresentation of black men (and other ethnic minority groups) in searches, arrests and prison sentences in the UK, but imo this is as much about where you live and what you're wearing than what colour your skin is. I bet the differences would disappear if you looked at white groups living in similar circumstances on council estates or deprived urban areas, with similar 'informal economies' and gangs like parts of Salford etc. Something similar is true of the US but the concentration of urban poverty is much more pronounced and police have been brought in to 'manage' areas where there is high poverty. There are lots of cities where there is a high rate and concentration of black poverty and the stress policing that seems to go along with it, but in towns and cities were there is a high rate of white poverty in some parts of Appalachia and the mid, west the treatment of those white people isn't really all that different and there are even similar stop and search policies. The relatively high sentences that black men get (or used to get) in New York is similar to the law allowing police to arrest people holding even small quantities of various combinations of household ingredients that you can make meth from. The only difference is that white people are less likely to live in areas of high poverty, high unemployment and the kind of 'informal economy' that goes along with it.

I kind of don't really want that kind of sentiment to come over here and increasing the social divide between communities that aren't really divided by policing so much as class and where you live. An important factor is also that there is nothing even approaching the US rate of incarceration or police killings of unnamed people in the UK.

I think that the divisiveness and lack of alliance building is reflected in surveys, according to the opinion surveys I've seen Blacklivesmatter doesn't seem to have changed white opinions very much at all, they remain kind of ambivalent.

[–]OirishM 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

when Fathers4Justice were carrying out actions as well the media tone was much more positive

Er what

Men's activism is widely derided, and there are far more men dying of suicide than there are BAME people in police custody. People fawn over BLM, while men's groups like F4J are seen as a joke.

[–]mothzilla 2ポイント3ポイント  (3子コメント)

The superhero costumes didn't help their cause to be honest.

[–]G_MorganWales 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair if they didn't do that nobody would have noticed them at all. It is interesting that the only such movements anyone takes any notice of at all are the ones where people make themselves look utterly ridiculous.

[–]bluescrn 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seemed a reasonable way to try and get some attention for their cause without doing something particularly disruptive like blocking roads...

[–]shengy90 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Huh but I thought stop and search is a thing of the past in the UK?

EDIT: did some research - police can still carry out stop and search but there are certain requirements to be met: 1) approved by a senior officer 2) police must explain purpose of search and what they expect to find. they can't just search as and when they please.

Which is very fair I think.

[–]multijoySurrey 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

You're thinking of a s60 authority, which allows groundless searching for weapons, within a limited place and time.

The rest of the time, there are a number of laws that permit stop and search (S1 Police and Criminal Act, s23 Misuse of Drugs Act are the common two, there are even powers under the Badger Act and the Deer Act which are probably less used in London.)

However, these are all governed by the Code A of PACE, which is statutory guidance.

Broadly, in order for a constable to carry out a search, he must have formed objective grounds to suspect that a person is in possession of something he is looking for. Those grounds need to be both reasonable and objective, and he needs to be able to articulate them to the subject - the subject need not agree with them, however.

[–]shengy90 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which is why I think the BLM movement has no legitimacy in the UK, coz we don't have the same problem as the ones in America. The more I look at it, the more I feel people are just riding on the wave of popularism - oh let's bring BLM to UK coz it's popular in america.

BLM is a highly contextualised 'crisis' happening in America - idk why are we importing their style of 'democracy' here.

Peaceful protest, yes. Disruptive and hostile protest, sorry please go back to america. Or at least if you can't afford the plane ticket, do so in front of US embassy please.

Don't disrupt my journey to work, home, holiday.

[–]Milky1985 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

Depends - I believe in some regions black people are 17.5 times more likely to be stopped and searched even if black people are less likely to carry drugs source.

The thing is your own article actually has explinatons for those numbers

"A Dorset Police spokesman said: “The census records the resident population of a county. However, it does not capture the amount of people who visit Dorset, including many holidaymakers, and people who temporarily live in the county for a period of time. We believe this is a contributing factor to the stop-and-search figures."

Dorset is very much a holiday area, so its hard to base it all on "who lives here" since there will be a lot of people visiting from other areas.

“It is also important to understand that Dorset Police is actively targeting a number of criminal gangs in Dorset. Some of these gangs include members of the black community who are residents of the county and do not feature in the census data for Dorset. We regularly meet with all of our communities in Dorset who support our approach and do not want us to let up on our pursuit of these criminals.”

So again, members of hte community who are not on the census data.

Now you could still say and be correct that we don't have a accurate view of the percentages of people in the area at the time, and argue about the targeting of the gangs. But at the same time it does throw doubt on the figures quoted since they are based on incomplete info.

While it might be a issue, might not be as major as people are pushing. Hell if they sort out the gang issue it might end up dropping suddenly.

[–]Itajin 1ポイント2ポイント  (3子コメント)

White 74% (88% of country) Mixed 4% (2% of country) Asian 8% (7% of country) and Black 12% (3%) of country, 1%/1% of "Other".

So it would still seem that there were a greater amount of deaths than population for ethnic minorities. I remember that there were some comments from the met etc that there was a degree of "institutional racism".

I imagine that this is probably in combination with something to do with how urban areas usually have more violent crime than suburbs/rural places and urban areas are almost always more ethnically diverse. Which likely provides more avenues for the type of crime/arrest to lead to death.

[–]ThinpolCheshire 12ポイント13ポイント  (1子コメント)

It lines up more if you adjust for guardian muddling the stats. The say 500 out of 1500, but they've purposefully mixed deaths in prison and deaths in police custody.

It should either be 500 in 4000 or 156 in 1500.

[–]grahamsimmonsSouthampton 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So 12% or 10% for blacks respectively. Seems about right tbh.

[–]woocheese 23ポイント24ポイント  (6子コメント)

That article is just inflammatory. This article is just trying to force a "black people are victims of police murder" narrative in the UK. Typical Guardian anti-police rubbish again.

A death in police custody is not a killing by police. It's a suicide, medical episode, it's a drug overdose, it's a condom of heroine breaking etc. It's not someone being starved, beaten or shot. If it was the IPCC would string up everyone anywhere near it.

[–]michaelisnotgingerLeeds 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well the government is so concerned they announced an independent review which is ongoing. Since 1990 there have been 10 unlawful killings in police custody of BAME arrests, with no prosecution. So I would say there is an issue and it is worth investigation

[–]woocheese 28ポイント29ポイント  (0子コメント)

Since 1990. That is 26 years, i'm not saying don't investigate homicide. I'm saying don't take 10 deaths over a 26 year period when millions of others have lived through police custody and then print it in an article drawing comparisons to the BLM movement.

It's not the same. Thats the amount of people who are murdered in hours in the US, or shot by police in a week. It's not comparable.

[–]zxcv1992 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well the government is so concerned they announced an independent review which is ongoing. Since 1990 there have been 10 unlawful killings in police custody of BAME arrests, with no prosecution. So I would say there is an issue and it is worth investigation

Well it is being investigated it seems, rightly so, there are issues that should be looked into. Though 10 deaths since 1990 is hardly a major amount, way more BAME people have died due to knife crime than that, so I would say that is where the focus should be if you're concerned about their lives and want to stop deaths.

[–]woyteckCambridgeshire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Has he ever heard about a minute of silence to pay respect?

[–]itshonestwork 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but I've also heard British people say cancer is a scam and they don't cure it, but make you pay to stay alive. They could cure it but then they'd lose money. They want you to keep paying for chemo and all you really need is to reduce the acidity of your body and eat almonds. But not just any supplement, as many places sell inferior supplements, buy mine instead as they are 99.9999% pure lab tested miraclonium.

[–]SkelosRadlandsTyne and Wear 161ポイント162ポイント  (30子コメント)

Do these people honestly believe the situation in the US is the same as here? It's one thing to show soldiarity with black Americans, but when I hear them talk about it they talk like black people are being killed by Police here on a regular basis. It's like they want to be oppressed, the delusional pricks.

[–]throwbackfinderUnited Kingdom 48ポイント49ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can't remember the LBC radio host name but his quote was

"So, when a black person dies in the U.K. You honestly believe you'll see a protest about it in multiple streets and towns across the United States?"

The BLM uk group don't realise that other countries don't protest thousands of miles away for them.

[–]beIIe-and-sebastian 121ポイント122ポイント  (6子コメント)

They read American blogs and follow American social media. They start to believe American issues are the same as British ones or are so stupid to distinguish between the social, cultural and historical differences between the countries. They even start using American terminology like 'People of Color'. Reminds me of the folk that call the police "Feds" and think they can 'plead the fifth" in the UK.

Complete idiots.

[–]hungry_squirrelEngland 27ポイント28ポイント  (3子コメント)

When people start refering to the Feds instead of the police, it really grinds my crackers.

[–]blooperreddituk 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I'm just getting a Dr Pepper from the cooler, put it on the tab"

"I'll have a Ginsters from the fridge, put it on the slate."

[–]UNSKIALzPSNNorthern Ireland 56ポイント57ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's like they want to be oppressed

That's the fantasy for this group.

[–]Ofermann 14ポイント15ポイント  (2子コメント)

They want to be oppressed because they can use it to get concessions and it shields them from personal responsibility.

[–]Work_McGurk[🍰] 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

these are the kind of people that will always find something to protest about, even if nothing is actually oppressing them. There should be a name for this kind of behaviour. Agitators?

[–]_Cicero 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

'Agitators' has been historically used to dismiss movements with genuine grievances against the state, you don't want to legitimise these people by using that term.

'Arseholes' is more appropriate.

[–]PeterG92Essex 33ポイント34ポイント  (15子コメント)

The idea of cementing your hands in a pole seems the dumbest ever to me.

[–]spiked_ball 45ポイント46ポイント  (9子コメント)

"When water is added to cement, calcium hydroxide is formed, which is extremely alkaline with a pH of 12 to 13. Normal human skin has a pH of 5.5; therefore, wet cement can produce alkaline (caustic) skin burns which progress and get worse without more exposure."

http://precast.org/2010/05/cement-burns/

[–]DrRedOrDeadDurham 20ポイント21ポイント  (1子コメント)

It can be lethal and will certainly remove the skin. So yeh. Dumb fuck move.

[–]LairHoundEngland 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that cheers me up a bit.

[–]HeknarfWest Sussex 18ポイント19ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good. Fucking idiots deserve a permanent reminder of their idiocy.

[–]skyepilotgurl 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the NHS will have to pay to stich him back up

[–]SpecsaversGazaKent 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a tactic developed by the road protestors I think.

[–]gettaefrance 181ポイント182ポイント  (32子コメント)

Ironically Mark Duggan probably took more black lives than the British Police ever will.

[–]twwp 83ポイント84ポイント  (9子コメント)

/thread

Seriously though, Mark Duggan was the worst poster boy for police racism and brutality. Why did they not choose someone who was actually not involved in crime and unfairly targeted by the police?

[–]_Rookwood_ 24ポイント25ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is a big demand for evil racist policeman narratives but there is so little supply they are forced into advocating for a man who was a criminal and at the time of his death was on his way to murder someone.

Their cause does not mesh well with the reality on the ground.

[–]KyorakiMid Sussex 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can say the same about the proper BLM in the US, also turning criminals like Michael Brown into martyrs.

[–]tamasuperstarManchester 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel that way about half the US ones too to be honest.

The difference however is that there absolutely are ones in the US that are thoroughly unjustified. There aren't in the UK.

[–]MrFalseFlag 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't imagine this will do anything but destroy whatever support/sympathy anyone has for them.

[–]DokkyYorkshire (West Riding) 36ポイント37ポイント  (21子コメント)

Truly helping their cause... what is there cause anyway?

[–]Minky_Dave_the_Giant 80ポイント81ポイント  (14子コメント)

Create division over here to mirror the shitshow that is the US.

[–]UNSKIALzPSNNorthern Ireland 23ポイント24ポイント  (9子コメント)

I've noticed a trend - The more this BLM rhetoric has picked up, the more race relations in the US have soured (Stats show a sharp decline in recent years)

I honestly think the BLM movement is fostering division, an "Us vs Them" mentality.

[–]ksshtratWales 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

Or is this because race relations have soured in the past few years, causing an uptake in BLM?

Either way, I do think it's a bit unnecessary in the UK - sure there are still some problems in the UK, but I feel the largest division in society is class, not race.

[–]Dylan0812Norn Iron 212ポイント213ポイント  (79子コメント)

I can understand showing solidarity with others but this is just stupid. Black people in the UK aren't being killed by the police. Our main issue is class not race, boiling it down to one group completely ignores the bigger picture.

[–]Itajin 85ポイント86ポイント  (14子コメント)

What I don't like is this "race based solidarity" like in this video https://twitter.com/WailQ on the twitter.

You would like to think that a poor Black Brit would share more common values, culture and problems with a poor White Brit. Especially for all of our poor-urban youth.

However they instead are finding solidarity with African-Americans who have no really common history or values, simply because they are also black etc... Its confusing. Lots don't even share a similar heritage considering many of our Black communities are from Africa itself.

This just seems to be another division in an already divided part of society that really doesn't need it.

[–]Mayfairsmooth 52ポイント53ポイント  (11子コメント)

What makes it worse is that black lives don't seem to matter when it comes to the atrocities in many parts of sub Saharan Africa.

I'm black and despise the entire movement.

[–]_Rookwood_ 47ポイント48ポイント  (42子コメント)

Exactly. Off the top of my head the most racist thing our police do is stop and search lots of black teens in London but thats one part of the UK and one police force. It has also been recognised as a problem. We do not have black men dying daily at the hands of police like America has. So this BLM stuff in the UK is simply not needed in my view.

[–]CRAZEDDUCKlingN. Somerset 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is an issue with global, America-centric social media. Whenever BLM kicks off in the US it's plastered over our social media pages. I believe this causes people over here to perceive the problem to far worse over here than it is.

Of course, I'm not saying there isn't a problem over here, but that's it's not as big as BLM think it is.

[–]Aceofspades25Sussex 24ポイント25ポイント  (4子コメント)

If you look at this video, this movement seems to be about all sorts of things.

For example one of them claims that 3034 black and brown bodies were drowned in the Mediterranean in 2016. Ignoring the fact that Syrians aren't typically defined as black (although there have also been migrants from Africa). Presumably they're upset because they think we would have done more to help refugees if they had been white - which I am not at all convinced of. If I recally correctly, Europe has responded selflessly to the refugee crisis and I imagine if they were Eastern Europeans - we would probably have been just as helpful.

Another guy claims that there have been 1562 deaths in police custody in his lifetime but he doesn't break this down by race which is necessary to help establish his point.

Others talk about stop and search and how black people are targeted more frequently or face more severe sentencing - a fair criticism but these are known issues which I believe are being addressed.

Others are protesting against state sanctioned Islamophobia. Once again people of middle eastern descent are not typically defined as black. Although of course course black people can be Muslims but the same can be said for white people.

Others about an increase in hate crime since #Brexit - although it should be pointed out once again that this has affected all races.

It seems that they have combined a wide cocktail of issues which have affected people of many different races into a single campaign and then they have adopted the label #BLM to draw attention to their wide range of grievances because it is trending at the moment - all the while ignoring the fact that their label may not be entirely appropriate because some of the issues they are campaigning about affect other races just as much.

[–]7zark77London 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

The deaths in custody stats has been ripped to shreds. Most deaths in custody are white people, even on a per capita basis.

[–]LastCelt1989 8ポイント9ポイント  (2子コメント)

claims that 3034 black and brown bodies were drowned in the Mediterranean

3034 PEOPLE! I generally have quite a conservative view on the migrant crisis but they're still human. Jesus Christ, talk about dehumanising people!

all the while ignoring the fact that their label may not be entirely appropriate because some of the issues they are campaigning about affect other races just as much

Couldn't agree more. Complex issues boiled down to childish, simplistic language.

[–]sciuridae_Derbyshire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 'bodies' terminology is popular in American social justice circles and I have no idea why.

I'm generally really supportive of efforts to combat racism, sexism, prejudice against lgbt people, etc, but I agree with you that their choice of words is just bizarre.

[–]PeterG92Essex 320ポイント321ポイント  (120子コメント)

Fucking morons

[–]RhllorTheLordOfLight 124ポイント125ポイント  (20子コメント)

Total fucking non-issue in this country; people looking for a reason to throw a tantrum

[–]7zark77London 35ポイント36ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think there ARE issues. Different issues to the US, but issues all the same. However, basing your campaign on misinterpreted/false statistics is the worst way to encourage empathy.

I mean, the Fact Checker types have already pissed all over some of the claims, and the campaign is only a few hours old.

[–]klausbatb 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have you got any links to that fact checker stuff? I'd be really interested in reading it.

[–]bull0 8ポイント9ポイント  (7子コメント)

I don't understand it at all. I'd be interested to hear what evidence there is for this 'crisis'

[–]RhllorTheLordOfLight 33ポイント34ポイント  (5子コメント)

When they cite Mark Duggan's death as an example of police racism against black people you know they're clutching at straws

[–]Dreamcaster1Oxfordshire 23ポイント24ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've said this on /r/ukpolitics but I think this bares repeating here: unless you are an Northern Irish Catholic who lives in the troubles you don't really have to worry about widespread racism within the UK police force.

[–]ZebraSharkThames Valley 10ポイント11ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are issues with racism but nothing like the US where black people are being killed each week

[–]Ifthekar 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

So what about the London met then?

[–]rejerer 31ポイント32ポイント  (3子コメント)

#crackersholidaysmatter

Seriously though, this protest is about as useful as critical mass demo'ing in Holland.

[–]pantsoff 20ポイント21ポイント  (61子コメント)

How about standing at the side of the road holding the banner while waving to everyone and bowing respectfully and wishing them a nice holiday. Nah, that makes too much sense.

[–]GreenspheresSurrey 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolute non-issue in this country. I disagree with the movement in the US but that from and outsider viewpoint. But in this country it is a complete non-issue, with the irrelevancy of BLM in the country its baffling people can justify blocking a major road.

[–]twwp 121ポイント122ポイント  (29子コメント)

I really hate these people - they are rude, aggressive, racist and you can't say anything about them in public without being accused of racism yourself.

"White people get to the back of the march!" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7GM6nGmNQ8

Harassing students in a library - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3e9j7n

They also recently sabotaged Byron for simply following the law. Byron has no fucking choice in the law and cannot simply tell the police and home office to fuck off. But this isn't good enough for BLM who decided that Byron should have allowed people who committed fraud to still work there anyway at the expense of employees who actually applied for work visas correctly. I know many people on work visas here and it's not an easy process - yet somehow it's Byron's fault that it exists.

[–]catsindrag 29ポイント30ポイント  (4子コメント)

Its depressing that she didn't even appear to notice a hint of irony in telling people of a particular skin colour to go to the back.

[–]StormRider2407Scotland 23ポイント24ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's called "white guilt". You're white and regardless of your own ancestral background and actions, you are responsible for what they did or didn't do. And so you should be treated the same way minorities were treated 60 years ago, back of the bus, segregation, etc.

It's moronic. But they think that treating everyone who isn't black as badly as society treated their ancestors is justified and is equality in action.

[–]sp8derNorthumberland 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not social justice, it's social revenge, as far as they're concerned. Look at their published demands, they are completely ludicrous.

[–]EuphemiaPhoenixIndependent Republic of Scouseland, Europe 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Could be wrong but I don't think BLM were involved in the Byron protests? It was predominantly a feminist group I think (can't remember the exact name, it was one of those Judean People's Front ones that all blur into one).

[–]twwp 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was London Black Revolutionaries - which is essentially BLM as most members are the same and they share the same views

[–]CainedbutableBuckinghamshire 9ポイント10ポイント  (10子コメント)

All the talk of Byron has actually made me buy it twice this week. Cheers protesters for reminding me how good their burgers are!

[–]Dilski 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was tempted to go to the Byron protest in Edinburgh today just on the off-chance that they were doing some promotion to regain customers.

[–]Dreamcaster1Oxfordshire 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huh there's a Byron near where I work, might give it a try now.

[–]boringcarpets 29ポイント30ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wankers. As if carrying on and acting like hooligans and idiots wasn't embarrassing enough on any other day, now they go and do this. That's it, I'm out, if I had a black card or badge I'd hand it in

[–]Minky_Dave_the_Giant 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can I swap your for my Northerner card? I'm no longer qualified to use it since I moved down south. It entitles you to one free stottie at any Greggs if you speak in a Geordie accent.

[–]boringcarpets 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Deal. I like the north, am terrifically unhealthy and I use your terminology/colloquialisms/vernacular on occasion and I love a bargain

[–]PoachTWCLanarkshire 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

Arrest them and charge them as appropriate. You can't allow these people to get away with causing major disruption "because solidarity". They just want an excuse to cause problems because they think disrupting other people's lives is how you go about building a movement.

BLM in the US is run by racist arseholes and that exact same type of person will join BLM UK. Nip it in the bud: treat people who cause disruption like this as common criminals no matter their "cause".

[–]Generic-Dave 90ポイント91ポイント  (12子コメント)

ah yes, the time honoured way of garnering support for your cause.

inconvenience and annoy everyone you can. excellent.

[–]thisistheslowlane 58ポイント59ポイント  (8子コメント)

Its not just an inconvenience. It's a crime to block a motorway like that. Not only a crime it's a danger to the public and to themselves. Also what if an emergency vehicle was stuck in traffic because of that?

They should be fined and prosecuted.

[–]sp8derNorthumberland 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also what if an emergency vehicle was stuck in traffic because of that?

Again.

[–]twwp 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

I obviously fully support eliminating racism and especially when it comes to policing. However, I really hate and resent BLM supporters and would do nothing to help them.

If BLM protestors where mowed down while they blocked a motorway, I would just walk away.

[–]thebabyseagull 70ポイント71ポイント  (14子コメント)

Martin Luther king once said " I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the qualities of their character"

Well since these people live in such a country I think its only right that we should judge them on qualities of there characters and to me they seem to be selfish,inconsiderate, attention seeking arseholes.

Let's not import this American divisionism please.

[–]michaelisnotgingerLeeds 36ポイント37ポイント  (7子コメント)

Except MLK also called out the:

white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;"

It was a pretty complex time in US politics

[–]Hesnotwrong2 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am normally very Pro this sort of costly-but-not-dangerous protest but this is exactly the sort of counter productive "look at me" bullshit that should be stamped on.

[–]Samson--Strange 68ポイント69ポイント  (21子コメント)

Ha, just you wait til someone who's late for their flight gets out and punches them and turns a 'fuck off out of the road' into a hate crime.

[–]DatGuyWill 23ポイント24ポイント  (4子コメント)

I just hope no one is stuck in that traffic expecting to get a flight to see an ill relative or something along those lines from abroad :(

[–]zxcv1992 9ポイント10ポイント  (15子コメント)

Would be pretty great if people just got out their cars and removed them by force.

[–]CainedbutableBuckinghamshire 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I imagine had the police not been there it would have happened a few hours ago!

[–]LastCelt1989 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would have to be another ethnic minority though. I wouldn't dream of attempting that with these people who are just dying to be 'oppressed' and 'silenced' by evil ol' whitey.

[–]rppp7 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow..expert tactics to garner support for your cause.

[–]freakzilla149Dirty Immigrant 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why do we always copy the bad aspects of America? We can't seem to create our version of a NASA, or Apple or something?

Instead of obesity, and retarded politics.

[–]ColombiaNaziWeedPope 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trying so hard to be like the US.

[–]ButterflyAttackTraveller 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look! There's a bandwagon - let's jump on it!

[–]Domesticated-primate 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Black lives do matter, as do the peoples lives you're disrupting with your ridiculous protest.

[–]PhoneySopranoLeeds 29ポイント30ポイント  (2子コメント)

Who the fuck do they think they are?

[–]UNSKIALzPSNNorthern Ireland 54ポイント55ポイント  (0子コメント)

Americans?

[–]MeMuzztaDurham 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

Entitled assholes

[–]Davkaus 51ポイント52ポイント  (24子コメント)

There's a bunch of them in Nottingham as well. Lying down on the tram tracks in the city centre at 8:30 on a weekday morning. They're still there, disrupting everyone's commute.

Absolute cunts, should have just kept the trams going to see how committed they are to this protest.

[–]nunoncastors 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm curious as to how they're anchored in place and what prevents them being dragged out of the way.

[–]Davkaus 9ポイント10ポイント  (7子コメント)

They've linked themselves together using pipes, which is a bit odd.

http://www.nottinghampost.com/city-centre-chaos-as-protestors-lie-on-tram-tracks-live-updates/story-29588479-detail/story.html

There's only 4 of them, but not only is that on the tram tracks, it's one of the main roads through the city centre that almost every bus has to go along.

[–]nunoncastors 3ポイント4ポイント  (6子コメント)

Hmm. They don't appear to be attached to anything other than each other so unless those pipes are full of razors - in which case, that was silly - they could be dragged out of the way quite easily. Job done.

[–]Davkaus 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

You'd have thought so, instead the police have cordoned it off and put some sheets around the, it's bizarre.

[–]woocheese 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

The police are shitting themselves because while they have the legal power to arrest them all. It's going to cause them a whole lot of negative press stopping a BLM protest. So their chief and an army of senior officers are going to be drinking a whole lot of tea and having a long talk about what to do.

[–]nunoncastors 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Probably to shield the inevitable crowd from whatever crap the cutting gear spits out.

An additional thought, I notice they haven't tried the same trick with any major rail routes. Odd that.

[–]skyepilotgurl 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trespassing on a railway is a criminal offense, the BTP have a lot of authority to drag them off and arrest them.

[–]pisshead_ 7ポイント8ポイント  (13子コメント)

They're still there

Why haven't the police removed them immediately? Is there no law and order in this country anymore?

[–]cattopantsu 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

What a pointless bunch of twats

[–]Milky1985 22ポイント23ポイント  (6子コメント)

Put it this way, both /r/unitedkingdom and /r/ukpolitics has this post and both is full of people saying "this is a stupid protest, stupid way to protest and we don't have the sort of issues so this just causes problem" (the difference is more "is it justified" and how much racism there actually is in the UK, that's where the two subreddits disagree)

When both of these subreddits seem to agree that the protest is a bit stupid, you have managed to screw up. The two subreddit tend to not agree on anything :P

[–]CMCyantistYorkshire 20ポイント21ポイント  (0子コメント)

They were pretty lucky not to get rammed by a chelsea tractor

[–]OirishM 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

Repost from comment below:

1500 police contact deaths total. Police contact isn't just "custody" for one thing.

BAME custody deaths are about 14% of total. Given that BAME population is about 11.5% this doesn't seem that egregious when you factor in poverty.

If you look at ALL police contact deaths BAME deaths are actually closer to 10% of total, which is actually and underrepresentation.

Stats are just for England and Wales.

[–]XavGrav 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

A black guy stabbed an American tourist to death just a couple of days ago, before indiscriminately running around slashing 5 others. Responding police subdued him with a taser and arrested him with no long term injury.

These people are laughable, its the result of lots of bored people with comfortable lives itching to be part of an oppressed movement, desperate for a cause

[–]LetterbocksKernow 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

That'll help.

[–]slackermannnUnited Kingdom 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

BLM is fucking shit.

[–]Sugreev2001 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

These people are so toxic.

[–]Tiberius666Smoggy in Manchester 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

The had a march through Manchester right outside my house a couple of weeks back.

Blatantly hadn't been sanctioned because there was still cars on the road and busses being held up while they slowly walked up the road.

Garnering support by pissing the public off doesn't work in the manner they're aiming for.

Also fuck VICE, absolute shower of cunts.

[–]KingOffaOfMercia 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a bunch of cunts!

Seriously what is the fucking point? And why are there white people there for christ sake?

If you look at crime stats in this country the Police obviously aren't racist.

This is one of many downsides to globalisation. We look abroad and see things that other people have and we want it for ourselves. Coupled with the fact that we're a nation of moaners and we get this inane bullshit.

[–]jwrider98 41ポイント42ポイント  (15子コメント)

Utter idiots, ruining people's holidays just to get some attention. Run the bastards over!

[–]dj4y_94Shropshire 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

The blocking off of transport routes by this movement has to be the dumbest thing ever. If I missed my flight to a holiday i'd be saving up all year to go on, i'm not going to pay more attention to the movement, i'm just going to be pissed off at them.

[–]weirdfishh 16ポイント17ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wtf? Why bring a uniquely American issue over to Britain?

[–]Alagorn 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can someone please ban this racist hate group? Why is this ok but EDL isn't?

[–]driveldriveby 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

Delusional wannabe victims harass everyone else over nothing, news at 11.

[–]Jindail 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

The American movement (despite how stupid I think it has become) has the ability to win over support because of the actual killings that go on there, I think most of the British public will just brush these people off as "twats" like most public protests when they screw over the average person.

Tube strikes, teacher strikes etc, when your actions look like they are giving the public the middle finger(intended or not) by causing average people problems then they will have a hard time gaining any real support.

[–]jonnyopinion 9ポイント10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is Heathrow airport racist?

[–]TheBeanBurgerCornwall 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of the planes landing and taking off are painted white, this cant go on!.

[–]limited_inc 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

fucking idiots, don't bring this shit over here

[–]MeMuzztaDurham 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

Instead of being a bunch of inconsiderate assholes causing disruption to thousands of travelers, why don't they just stand outside the terminal(s) handing out leaflets with a stand giving out free shit politely not causing any bother?

They're more likely to gain some interest then.

[–]seven__hells 7ポイント8ポイント  (8子コメント)

How absurd. They do realise we live in Britain, right? I can't remember the last time any black person was the victim of racism here. I've heard the name Mark Duggan mentioned a few times, as if he was some upstanding member of the community and not a lowlife criminal gang member. I'm starting think people just enjoy protesting, regardless of the reason behind it.

[–]scotty1987Wales 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was also shot for having a live firing gun and was already under investigation.

[–]HeknarfWest Sussex 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

Run them over. Give them something to actually protest about.

Fuck, I hate the yankification of our country.

[–]Alex_the_coderDingle in Worcestershire 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fucking dumb cunts. Run the bastards over.

[–]Mr_Barry_Shitpeas 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a bit extreme, drag them away like petulant children and chuck them in the back of a police van.

[–]randomcallsignMiddlesex | Poortugeezer 7ポイント8ポイント  (10子コメント)

Great, more BLM racism. Racism will increase even more.

[–]Salt_Mines 10ポイント11ポイント  (11子コメント)

Wish Theresa May would label this group a hate group. That's exactly what it is.

Is there anything America doesn't export that isn't shit? Can't we just go back to when America exported die hard movies.