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(FL) A woman tried to grab my son and kicked me so I slapped her. Now a lawyer is sending me demand letters. (self.legaladvice)

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I had my son in a back carrier, he's 15 months old. I was in the produce section when I feel someone trying to pick him up out of the carrier.

I swing around and the woman is standing ther. I ask her what the fuck she thinks she's doing, she said that she's just trying to hold him. I told no and fuck off. At this point she kicks me very hard in the leg, so I slapped her as hard as I could and she fell to the ground.

Luckily there were witness who called the police and stuck around when they arrived. The woman was arrested for battery. The police said that I shouldn't worry since I acted in defense of myself and my son, they also made a note that she attempted to take him out of his carrier.

Yesterday I received a letter from a lawyer. The woman wants $10,000 for "damages" and "discrimination" or they will ruin my name and career.

Isn't that extortion? Should I just take the letter down to the station and let them deal with it or do I need a lawyer?

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[–]ksemel 424ポイント425ポイント  (59子コメント)

Is it a real law office on the letterhead? Seems fishy, but if there is a real lawyer involved you might start by responding with a copy of the police report and nothing else.

You can take a copy of the police report and the letter to a lawyer and ask them if and/or how to respond.

[–]Throwaway81726227388[S] 238ポイント239ポイント  (58子コメント)

It is. I called them and they said that they sent the letter.

[–]theletterqwertyQuality Contributor 693ポイント694ポイント  (46子コメント)

Neat. Now when you call the Bar Association at 1-866-352-0707, you'll know whose name to give them.

[–]StillUnderTheStars 252ポイント253ポイント  (12子コメント)

Seriously. How? It pisses me off that I'm so stressed out about my bar results when people like this numbskull have a license.

[–]BlackMarketSausage 149ポイント150ポイント  (6子コメント)

They probably start the same way you are, working hard to pass the Bar and make it good a legal representative.

Then maybe after a year or ten, they think they should be making more money for less work and then decide to take up frivolous cases which won't stand in caught but will scare some people into paying whatever you ask.

Some people are angels, others are buttholes. Same with lawyers.

[–]metamet 239ポイント240ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's a good documentary about this called "Better Call Saul".

[–]Canadaismyhat 91ポイント92ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ya'll got any more of them seasons? scratches neck

[–]notwithagoat 42ポイント43ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is another documentary about meth called breaking bad which may help you get your fix.

[–]ThaneduFife 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

I read "won't stand in caught," and suddenly the entire comment sounded as if it was written in a Southern accent. ;-)

[–]svanasana 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did the same, except New England.

[–]jonmcfluffy 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

could the law office have been lied to by the offender?

with the shit she is pulling in random grocery stores, i would not be surprised if she was lying to the law office.

[–]SeanV2oh 21ポイント22ポイント  (1子コメント)

You also have to remember that a LOT of clients come into PI attorneys' offices and just flat out lie about what happened. If they paid a big enough retainer, some attorneys will accept it and move forward without doing their due diligence (or most likely expect the truth to come out later in discovery and such).

[–]StillUnderTheStars 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

I understand that. And all competent attorneys understand their duty to investigate claims. If they threaten or assert a frivolous claim, they're liable.

[–]CircaStar 12ポイント13ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't stress about the bar results. If you're smart enough to get into law school, you can go the distance.

[–]NDaveT 26ポイント27ポイント  (0子コメント)

*pep talk not valid in New York and California

[–]StillUnderTheStars 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

<3

[–]rdmhat 30ポイント31ポイント  (21子コメント)

Why could this result in a bar complaint?

[–]your_moms_a_clone 294ポイント295ポイント  (0子コメント)

The woman wants $10,000 for "damages" and "discrimination" or they will ruin my name and career.

Because this sounds a lot like extortion.

[–]StreetRat0524 174ポイント175ポイント  (18子コメント)

Extortion isn't legal.

[–]sprucenoose 11ポイント12ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unfortunately there is a gray area between making a demand for damages while threatening a civil complaint and criminal extortion. Who knows what the other woman told her lawyer anyway before writing the letter.

This probably wouldn't warrant disciplinary action by the bar.

[–]bsbbtnh 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it said they would ruin his/her name and career, yes it would. What they threaten to do could be considered slander/defamation, which is illegal. Threatening to do something illegal if someone doesn't pay up definitely falls into the category of extortion.

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    [–]CircaStar -5ポイント-4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Because it's unprofessional and tacky.

    [–]AKraiderfan 11ポイント12ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Calm yourself. OP posted the actual language, and it was not "ruin your name and career.". Does not fall within sanctionable actions.

    Optimistically, the lawyer could have been fed incorrect information of the incident.

    Pessimistically, the lawyer sees a quick settlement possibility.

    Either way, OP's characterization of the statement is somewhat exaggerated.

    [–]baberg 117ポイント118ポイント  (1子コメント)

    OP posted the actual language, and it was not "ruin your name and career.". Does not fall within sanctionable actions.

    The actual language, for people who are searching:

    My client and I are requesting a sum of $10,000 after you forcefully struck her face due to her race and religious garb. If that amount is not paid to my client by the end of the month the truth about why and how she was struck, due to racism and hatred, will be told to the local news media and made known on social media sites. This will cause great damage to both your name and your career, I highly suggest that you pay promptly.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/4w46tq/fl_a_woman_tried_to_grab_my_son_and_kicked_me_so/d63txv4

    They are threatening to "cause great damage to both your name and your career" unless they are paid. IANAL so I will make no judgments on it, but I know I would feel threatened by that phrasing and because the money is explicitly offered as a way to stop the threat... well I guess I am making a judgment on it. It's extortion.

    [–]AKraiderfan 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The distinction between extortion and suing someone and demanding settlement is a subtle enough line where people get it wrong all the time.

    Further down this thread is the definition of extortion(FL). What this is missing is the "Malicious" part of the statute. Right now, the demand letter is saying "Give us money, or we will report you to the media."

    It IS extortion, if the lawyer knows (and OP's tale isn't completely bias) that OP didn't strike the person, and sends the letter.

    It ISN'T extortion, if the person didn't tell the lawyer the part where she tried to take the child. If the bar asks, and the lawyer finds out the truth, the lawyer is not actionable because he/she did not knowingly (key term) send the letter without a basic charge (the tort of battery)

    Mens rea matter. You learn this in the first week of criminal law (and in this case, Professional responsibility class).

    [–]DirtyPiss 35ポイント36ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My client and I are requesting a sum of $10,000 after you forcefully struck her face due to her race and religious garb. If that amount is not paid to my client by the end of the month the truth about why and how she was struck, due to racism and hatred, will be told to the local news media and made known on social media sites. This will cause great damage to both your name and your career, I highly suggest that you pay promptly.

    Can you please elaborate on how phrasing it as "cause great damage" is seen as legally distinguishable from "ruin"? Many other commenters were posting under OP's comment that this exact language helped seal the deal as far as being extortion, so I'd like to understand what you're seeing that they are not. Based off of what I read this seems like textbook based extortion, which is admittedly the only kind I'm familiar with (1 year of undergrad focused on the UCC).

    [–]Willeth 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hold on, are you reading the exact language I am? How is

    This will cause great damage to both your name and your career, I highly suggest that you pay promptly.

    not indicative of extortion and actionable?

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 10ポイント11ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Even if the statements are exaggerated, it's a violation of professional ethics to threaten a frivolous lawsuit. And it's no defense that the attorney was relying on the statements of their client. Attorneys have a duty to investigate and independently verify the factual basis of any claim they make.

    [–]step1 16ポイント17ポイント  (1子コメント)

    They aren't even threatening a lawsuit. They are threatening a smear campaign.

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah. My b. Misspoke.

    Still trying to get my mind around the mind-numbing stupidity of that threat. It just keeps defaulting back to thinking it's a lawsuit threat.

    Needless to say, attorneys are only allowed to threaten any kind of action when there's a cognizable legal cause of action and theory for damages. Without those, that attorney should not be making threats of any sort.

    And should never be threatening a smear campaign.

    [–]AKraiderfan 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The evidence is the lawyer's client's testimony. If you don't have any overriding evidence to the contrary, and you don't have a reason not to trust the client, then you fulfill the verification process (rule 13 is really hard to initiate).

    On its face, if questioned by the board, the lawyer can say she/he was going to file in court, a suit based on the tort of battery.

    EDIT: Upon more contemplation, the tort is perfectly valid...except that self-defense is an affirmative defense. The client did not lie at all about OP slapping her, the proper answer is for OP to send a letter to the lawyer telling the lawyer about the circumstance. If the lawyer continues with the demand, even then, it is still a gray area whether the lawyer is actionable, because the lawyer is still bringing a civil tort that meets the elements.

    [–]CircaStar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    All sorts of people throw stuff like this out there in the hopes that some nervous "defendant" just thinks it's easier to pay them off then deal with the hassle. It's a real shame. The penalties for frivolous lawsuits should be much more severe, in my view. IANAL, just someone who files frivolous lawsuits as a hobby. Never lost one, though.

    [–]sch6808 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most likely this firm only has the crazy lady's story. She probably went in and said she told someone their baby was cute and that person turned and smacked her. I doubt they know she was arrested or they would never take the case.

    [–]TheImmortalLS 79ポイント80ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Also note the lawyer may not know the full story. The client can say anything. Sending the police report will give the lawyer information (that she was trying to feel your child).

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 54ポイント55ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Yeah, it's possible. But to write a letter that says "we'll ruin you" without threatening proper legal action based on a cognizable legal claim? There's no incomplete storytelling that could justify that.

    [–]thepulloutmethod 9ポイント10ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Well we don't have the actual language of the letter. Could be op misunderstood or is exaggerating.

    [–]Radix2309 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Depends on the exact wording of the letter.

    [–]doobey179 4ポイント5ポイント  (2子コメント)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/4w46tq/fl_a_woman_tried_to_grab_my_son_and_kicked_me_so/d63txv4

    [–]Radix2309 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yeah I saw that. That definitely feels very sketchy. I cant imagine a real law firm would use the threat of media to extort someone based on the case.

    [–]doobey179 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah that seems to be the consensus.

    [–]CircaStar 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    But presumably her lawyer already HAS the police report, no?

    [–]Brhok 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You would HOPE, that this woman's lawyer would take the effort to obtain a copy of the police report to do a little fact checking before throwing his legal letter head around.

    The lawyer that sent this letter is a complete loon.

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 368ポイント369ポイント  (36子コメント)

    OP, you're seeing a lot of incredulity in the comments. And honestly, it's well-founded. Many of the commenters are lawyers or legal professionals, and the idea that another member of our profession would actually write, send, and then verify the authenticity of an actionable threat of extortion is just mind-boggling. A genuine case of "how could anyone possibly be this stupid?"

    Your response should be to 1) cease all communication with them and tell them to stop contacting you if they do so again, 2) call up your homeowner's insurance to tell them about this situation and provide them with the letter and any other records you have of the incident, and 3) contact the Attorney Discipline Hotline of the FL State Bar.

    Seriously. If this is real, what the fucking shit. That attorney is 100% loony toons.

    [–]beanchuuu 45ポイント46ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Quick question, why would Homeowners Insurance cover an incident that occurred off property?

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 49ポイント50ポイント  (1子コメント)

    The quick and dirty answer is that homeowner's insurance policies cover a bit more than just things that happen on the insured premises. For the really in depth answer, here's a good publication by the ABA that discusses the traditional duty to defend that is incorporated into homeowner's insurance policies.

    It's definitely possible that the policy wouldn't cover this, but there's a good chance it would and OP should give them a heads up just in case.

    [–]sir_richard_head 21ポイント22ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ... and if the policy DOES cover this then 20 minutes on the phone could result in their insurer being ready to provide a lawyer for OP.

    [–]butterfliesinhereyesQuality Contributor 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Many homeowner's insurance policies include what is called "off-premises" coverage, which means that the policy follows you and your possessions. Here is a little article describing how it works and when it is likely to kick in. The last slide deals with personal liability which is OP's issue.

    [–]krudler5 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Many policies offer general liability coverage.

    [–]ASK_ME_IF_IM_YEEZUS -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Also, what if OP doesn't have homeowners insurance / rents?

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Then this piece of advice isn't relevant. But in case it's relevant, it should be offered.

    [–]Throwaway81726227388[S] 171ポイント172ポイント  (25子コメント)

    My husband pointed out that it might be someone that works for the attorney that sent the letter, possibly the paralegal that answered the phone.

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 280ポイント281ポイント  (19子コメント)

    Attorneys have a duty of supervision. If it goes out their door with their name on the letterhead, it's their responsibility.

    If a paralegal goes rouge rogue and starts sending off shit like this, it's the attorney's job to discover and remedy the issue. And they're accountable to the public and to the state Bar for the actions of their employee.

    [–]Djbroan 172ポイント173ポイント  (10子コメント)

    Paralegals really need to watch what shade of color they are. I expect solid fire truck red, but if my paralegal went rouge, you better believe I would have some choice words for him.

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 85ポイント86ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Ahhhh goddammit

    [–]Djbroan 43ポイント44ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Doesn't take away from what you were saying, just some friendly ribbing, and you took it like a champ.

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 19ポイント20ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I know it mate. :)

    [–]CircaStar 4ポイント5ポイント  (6子コメント)

    What if your paralegal went batshit crazy?

    [–]Godd2 9ポイント10ポイント  (5子コメント)

    What color is guano?

    [–]SiegHeil101 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Greenish-Brown to Black.

    [–]GroundsKeeper2 2ポイント3ポイント  (7子コメント)

    Would the paralegal be performing UPL?

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Depends.

    If the paralegal drafted and sent the letter under the supervision of the attorney, then no. There's an exception to the UPL laws to allow for employees of attorneys to carry out (a reasonable portion of) the business of their employer.

    If the paralegal drafted and sent the letter under the signature of the attorney but without his review and authorization, then yes, with an added side of illegal impersonation!

    [–]CircaStar -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

    What's UPL?

    [–]leocusmus 5ポイント6ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Unauthorized Practice of Law

    [–]CircaStar 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What is the penalty?

    [–]StillUnderTheStars 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Both criminal and civil sanctions. Severity depends on the extent of the UPL.

    [–]Chass1s 15ポイント16ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Death

    [–]CircaStar 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thanks.

    [–]KropotkinWasRight 22ポイント23ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My husband pointed out that it might be someone that works for the attorney that sent the letter, possibly the paralegal that answered the phone.

    Oh good, an Unauthorized Practice of Law!

    [–]sir_richard_head 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You could probably verify this by looking the person up via Facebook/LinkedIn while logged out of your personal account. This, in itself, would be innocuous but don't make any attempt to contact the person.

    [–]shinyhappypanda 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Call the attorney's office back and ask to speak to that attorney directly. He should be able to tell you if the letter came from him or not.

    [–]CircaStar -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No. Crazy people aren't allowed to be legal assistants anywhere in North America.

    [–]CircaStar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Misunderstood. Retract.

    [–]Canadaismyhat 5ポイント6ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm curious about #2, how is homeowners insurance relevant in a situation like this at the grocery store?

    [–]litmustest1Quality Contributor 247ポイント248ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Florida Statute 836.05:

    Threats; extortion.—Whoever, either verbally or by a written or printed communication, maliciously threatens ... reputation of another, or maliciously threatens to expose another to disgrace, ... with intent thereby to extort money or any pecuniary advantage whatsoever... shall be guilty of a felony of the second degree

    That letter, as described, sure sounds like extortion to me. File a complaint with the police, and also one with the state bar.

    [–]The_Last_Fapasaurus 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It would depend on how the Florida courts define the term "maliciously." Generally demand letters are fine because it is not illegal to threaten to exercise a legal right (like suing). While this demand letter is unlike one I've seen before, it seems to me that the letter only threatens the disclosure of the underlying facts to the media, which would cause damage to OP's reputation. Imo, it's in a gray area such that a report to the bar association won't be of much help.

    [–]TheBullitt 87ポイント88ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Please give us an update as this progresses.

    [–]Throwaway81726227388[S] 118ポイント119ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I will, my mom just arrived to babysit so we're off.

    [–]Bdank420247 32ポイント33ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck yeah go get em!

    [–]Junkmans1 43ポイント44ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Did the police charge her, or issue her a ticket,for any crime when they came, or just take a report and do nothing to her?

    [–]Throwaway81726227388[S] 95ポイント96ポイント  (2子コメント)

    She was charged.

    [–]CircaStar 34ポイント35ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Case closed. Seriously, what are her damages? NAL

    [–]scientist_tz 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Bring the letter to the attention of the police and county prosecutor, for sure. He or she could also bring charges of extortion on top of the battery charge.

    [–]Coopering 107ポイント108ポイント  (20子コメント)

    Reading through your responses to these comments, I now want to read the exact language they used where they threaten to 'extort' you. It might me a good idea to get a different perspective on what they've written.

    [–]Throwaway81726227388[S] 228ポイント229ポイント  (19子コメント)

    My client and I are requesting a sum of $10,000 after you forcefully struck her face due to her race and religious garb. If that amount is not paid to my client by the end of the month the truth about why and how she was struck, due to racism and hatred, will be told to the local news media and made known on social media sites. This will cause great damage to both your name and your career, I highly suggest that you pay promptly.

    [–]czhunc 209ポイント210ポイント  (9子コメント)

    'Due to her race and religious garb' yeah okay. If there's a police report filed, they don't have a leg to stand on.

    Definitely report these guys to the bar association. Threatening to go to the media isn't normal behavior for a law firm.

    [–]Throwaway81726227388[S] 157ポイント158ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Clearly it had nothing to do with her trying to grab my baby. /s

    [–]JerryLupus 62ポイント63ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Report to the bar.

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      Your post has been removed for the following reason(s):

      Do not advise posters to call the media or to post on social media

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      [–]Coopering 63ポイント64ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Yea....I have no doubt this smacks of extortion now. Thanks.

      What also gets me-assuming they aren't your copy errors-are the punctuation mistakes the lawyer made.

      [–]CircaStar 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Any chance we could see the letter (omitting details, of course)?

      [–]plaxpert 22ポイント23ポイント  (1子コメント)

      This does not sound like it was written by someone who is trained in law school.

      [–]step1 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Or even not in law school. Most people here aren't lawyers but they know that threatening a smear campaign unless $ is not legal.

      [–]Zbignich 28ポイント29ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It is possible that the lawyers don't have the full story, but the threat of exposure by itself is already problematic.

      [–]xRadix 24ポイント25ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Seriously, isn't it a huge red flag that they're saying, hey we won't sue you if you don't pay, we'll just destroy your name. Is that like a backhanded way of them knowing they don't have a case?

      [–]jayelwin 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

      There is no way a lawyer wrote that.

      [–]CircaStar 13ポイント14ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I fucking knew it. It's a human rights complaint. Fuck off.

      [–]CircaStar 13ポイント14ポイント  (0子コメント)

      (Not you, them, of course.)

      [–]sodakdave 55ポイント56ポイント  (2子コメント)

      First, check to see if the attorney listed on the letter is real or not.

      Second, contact the state bar association and report that either the attorney listed is signing his name to dumb letters, or that the woman is impersonating an attorney.

      Third, have a consultation with a local attorney and show them the letter. Ask them how you should proceed since they're not actually threatening to sue.

      Finally, absolutely send a copy to your homeowner's insurance. In some cases, failure to notify of potential legal action can be cause to drop your coverage entirely, and they'll appreciate the chuckle when they read it.

      [–]justneedsuggestions 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm sorry if this is a dumb question but why should he report something like this to his home owners insurance? I'm just curious.

      [–]keastes 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      you forgot about the browns letter

      [–]h110hawk 36ポイント37ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Could you countersue her for kicking you (and the extortion threat)? Get attempted kidnapping added to the charges?

      At a minimum get a restraining order and call the bar.

      [–]justinsayin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Yeah, start physical therapy today and she'll end up paying you back 5x what those appointments cost. :P

      [–]DruknUncel 28ポイント29ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Lawyer here. My guess is that she lied to the attorney and got him/her to write the letter by telling a total lie. Any idiot should see through it, but they didn't.

      Just ignore the letter. Don't lose any sleep over it. You don't need to do anything until you actually get sued, which will never happen. She can't sue you for discrimination.

      [–]JerryLupus 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The attorney can't make threats and extort OP.

      [–]CircaStar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Well, she CAN but her lawyer will make a fool out of himself if she does.

      [–]jayelwin 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Did the lawyer say "hey crazy lady, write a letter and I'll sign it"

      [–]dietcokefiend 37ポイント38ポイント  (3子コメント)

      As a father with two small kids, I'd say you let her off easy with a slap to the face.

      Has she faced any charges in relation to the arrest? I'd probably forward this to the police handling the case. A restraining order might not be a bad idea either.

      [–]CircaStar 10ポイント11ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Not a parent myself but if it were me I would have beaten the shit out of her.

      [–]InceptDate20160725 15ポイント16ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Same. You lay a hand on my child without my say-so and I will climb into your throat through your asshole.

      [–]ishootsigs 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

      They said they would ruin your name and career?

      [–]GroundsKeeper2 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

      From a comment by OP, when asked about the text of the letter:

      My client and I are requesting a sum of $10,000 after you forcefully struck her face due to her race and religious garb. If that amount is not paid to my client by the end of the month the truth about why and how she was struck, due to racism and hatred, will be told to the local news media and made known on social media sites. This will cause great damage to both your name and your career, I highly suggest that you pay promptly.

      [–]CircaStar 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Shouldn't she have been charged with something more than battery? What about attempted kidnapping or something?

      [–]justinsayin 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Out of everything going on in this thread I would be most concerned with the fact that this crazy woman and her family know the address of where you live.

      [–]CircaStar 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      And maybe cc the Bar Association.

      [–]DukeMaximum 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If they're a real law firm, file a complaint with the Bar Association in your state. Include a copy of the police report.

      [–]bboy1977 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Ignore it. They are trying to shake you down with scary letterhead. I used to get riduculous nonsense letters all the time varying from accusations of discrimination to abuse. There are plenty of lawyers who will write any kind of letter you want for $250. Don't engage, don't respond, don't write them back unless you want a lot more letters coming your way from an emboldened attorney and the scumbag client.

      In the very slim chance they get a hearing they'll need to give you notice and that's when you can lawyer up. But this guy won't do it. Nobody works for free.

      [–]a678912 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Lawyer up and burn them down

      [–]duckshoe2 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Google turns up a number of Floridian ways to find out if Loony Tune was actually convicted of something. (If she went to trial, you'd know, but if she pled to disorderly conduct at arraignment, for example, you probably wouldn't.) It's legally impossible to be guilty of aggressive behavior, beyond a reasonable doubt, in Court A, and then turn around and claim to be the innocent victim in Court B. If she was convicted, this information would probably be enough to scare off the sack of shit who's representing her; s/he may have been too lazy to look it up, but if you show conclusively that the claim is a loser, they'll drop it.

      [–]ooa3603 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

      This was in Florida, why am I not surprised?

      [–]CircaStar 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Why don't you write that beautiful letter someone posted here a while ago? It just reads "No."

      [–]Big_blacknbeautiful 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I wish a lawyer would do this to me. It would make for great entertainment.

      [–]305to415 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I'm a lawyer. Get any lawyer you know to call that lawyer and tell him to go to hell. A demand letter is meaningless until they file a lawsuit.

      [–]torac 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If they are admitting that they wrote this letter, it may be useful to somehow get proof of their confession. If it is legal to record a call, call them, or send them a question per email or snail mail. Try not to make it obvious you are baiting them into admitting a crime.

      The letter should be enough, but I can imagine them saying someone was pretending to be the firm and denying any involvement once they realize that you won’t cooperate.

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