Could it be our fault?

victor_knight · 32分前

More and more guys are hitting the gym these days just so that average-looking chicks will notice them (no guarantee of sex let alone marriage). In the past, a short balding guy with a potbelly who never even went to college but had a decent factory job could get an '8' to marry him and have his babies. She also cooked, took care of the kids and did all the housework. So I don't see any merit to your argument.

Ultramegasaurus · 1時間前

How do you define "shitty" men? By having hobbies or clothing styles you (or women) don't approve of? The vast majority of them are smart and contribute to the economy. If anything, their peculiar behavior, hobbies or styles is a result of gynocentric society.

But you are right in the sense that men are partly at fault too. They constantly fulfill women's ridiculous demands and do not hold them accountable for their own shortcomings.

Selecth · 1時間前

A hobby or a lifestyle is not someone's fault. What women do to men is based on neither. Don't bring blue pill shit in here.

BagOfBrokenBits · 1時間前

Whilst there are always going to be assholes I would imagine that most of the men here undertake a good amount of self-examination and will decide for themselves how to make any adjustments they see fit.

As for others, some will have been raised in less than optimum circumstances. For example the sons of single mothers or unstable households. These people had a bad start and have probably seen some shit and made the best of themselves as they are able.

Others have been beaten, bruised and hurt by life events, they have been brainwashed, overworked, lied to, cheated on, and robbed. All these guys are doing is trying to cope with difficult circumstances as best they are able. Some of their coping mechanisms may turn out not to be the best choices. They may be in a period of recovery and recuperation that involves withdrawal. From the outside this may look like "low quality" to me it looks like a brother who needs a hand and not judgement by me. For me the onus is to improve myself and help a guy when I can.

BukM1 · 45分前

well no gender is entirely to blame, there are a myriad of factors in why relationships are now more fluid and less committed, technology plays a huge part for example.

however one thing that seems consistently true is that women are repeatedly told (via media) they don't have to create value or worth outside of aesthetics and are actually told they should be more picky and anyone who in anyway changes or makes requests is "controlling and abusive".

men on the other hand are repeatedly told they need to change develop and come to heel in order to satisfy women's desires.

i.e a woman telling her boyfriend what he can and cant wear is "improving his style" or "raising his standards/style" but if a man tells his girlfriend what she can wear he is "abusive and controlling"

This over time manufactures a community of men who actually think "fuck this" I am not jumping through hoops kowtowing to someone when they bring nothing to the table and are not interested in an actual partnership just a dictatorship.

"women are always right" etc, and the associated cliches are raised because womens view of relationships are not one of mutal exchange of equal partners, but of a master/slave, or teacher/student relationship.

the view of women according to media is men are inherently broken and women can fix them so men need to win their favour to get the "privilege" or being corrected/improved by a women.

If the system automatically expects you to be unequal to someone in a partnership,simply by virtue of gender then you would be an absolute fucking idiot to seek or commit to one on their terms.

women have deluded themselves into thinking what they bring to the table is 1) in rare supply and 2) of higher value that it actually is

its much much easier to replace aesthetics than it is character. or put another way, replacing a trophy wife is much easier and less traumatic (emotionally) than replacing a "soul mate". In the mediacentric exchange of women's looks for male support/character (e.g humour etc) women stand to lose more.

If i put a gun to your head and told you to replace a sexy woman by finding another sexy woman of equal or better attractiveness you will have a much easier job than trying to do the same thing with trying to replace a funny guy with another guy equally or more funny.

women have basically got complacent in thinking their value is unquestionably high and always will be and so as time moves on, they bring less and less to the table.

oldredder · 7分前

The problem with men, the fault, is the men who came before us who had no balls and changed laws to give women power over us. Without that most of the misery wouldn't exist.

There's been a rise in bronies, hipsters, addicted gamers etc. This must have some affect on why men are dropping out of society, it couldn't be all women's fault

It is: most of them are insufficiently able to be adult males because their fathers were removed by lawful force in divorce by selfish, evil cunt mothers.

Perhaps the rise in divorce is partly due to shittier men and women's higher standards just look raised because there are more

It's not. It's shittier women demanding more, doing less and spending more and owing more before and during marriage. It's a money problem where divorce for cash & prizes becomes her only easy solution because she's a selfish, useless whore.

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