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Could it be our fault? (self.MGTOW)

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I know I'm going to get a lot of shit for this, and no I'm not some undercover feminist or SJW. I was just thinking maybe part of the problem is men? It does make sense that as the quality of women goes down the quality of men would go down as well. Now obviously with feminism and divorce statistics it's easy to see where women are at fault, but with men I think it's a bit more covert. There's been a rise in bronies, hipsters, addicted gamers etc. This must have some affect on why men are dropping out of society, it couldn't be all women's fault. Perhaps the rise in divorce is partly due to shittier men and women's higher standards just look raised because there are more lower quality men out there. Again I'm not a secret feminist I am MGTOW I just like to think in opposition to what I believe. In my opinion, it mostly has to do with women but men have some small part to play. I'd say 80% women's fault 20% men's fault. What do you guys think? All opinions are welcome.

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[–]Selecth 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

A hobby or a lifestyle is not someone's fault. What women do to men is based on neither. Don't bring blue pill shit in here.

[–]BagOfBrokenBits 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whilst there are always going to be assholes I would imagine that most of the men here undertake a good amount of self-examination and will decide for themselves how to make any adjustments they see fit.

As for others, some will have been raised in less than optimum circumstances. For example the sons of single mothers or unstable households. These people had a bad start and have probably seen some shit and made the best of themselves as they are able.

Others have been beaten, bruised and hurt by life events, they have been brainwashed, overworked, lied to, cheated on, and robbed. All these guys are doing is trying to cope with difficult circumstances as best they are able. Some of their coping mechanisms may turn out not to be the best choices. They may be in a period of recovery and recuperation that involves withdrawal. From the outside this may look like "low quality" to me it looks like a brother who needs a hand and not judgement by me. For me the onus is to improve myself and help a guy when I can.

[–]Ultramegasaurus 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

How do you define "shitty" men? By having hobbies or clothing styles you (or women) don't approve of? The vast majority of them are smart and contribute to the economy. If anything, their peculiar behavior, hobbies or styles is a result of gynocentric society.

But you are right in the sense that men are partly at fault too. They constantly fulfill women's ridiculous demands and do not hold them accountable for their own shortcomings.

[–]BukM1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

well no gender is entirely to blame, there are a myriad of factors in why relationships are now more fluid and less committed, technology plays a huge part for example.

however one thing that seems consistently true is that women are repeatedly told (via media) they don't have to create value or worth outside of aesthetics and are actually told they should be more picky and anyone who in anyway changes or makes requests is "controlling and abusive".

men on the other hand are repeatedly told they need to change develop and come to heel in order to satisfy women's desires.

i.e a woman telling her boyfriend what he can and cant wear is "improving his style" or "raising his standards/style" but if a man tells his girlfriend what she can wear he is "abusive and controlling"

This over time manufactures a community of men who actually think "fuck this" I am not jumping through hoops kowtowing to someone when they bring nothing to the table and are not interested in an actual partnership just a dictatorship.

"women are always right" etc, and the associated cliches are raised because womens view of relationships are not one of mutal exchange of equal partners, but of a master/slave, or teacher/student relationship.

the view of women according to media is men are inherently broken and women can fix them so men need to win their favour to get the "privilege" or being corrected/improved by a women.

If the system automatically expects you to be unequal to someone in a partnership,simply by virtue of gender then you would be an absolute fucking idiot to seek or commit to one on their terms.

women have deluded themselves into thinking what they bring to the table is 1) in rare supply and 2) of higher value that it actually is

its much much easier to replace aesthetics than it is character. or put another way, replacing a trophy wife is much easier and less traumatic (emotionally) than replacing a "soul mate". In the mediacentric exchange of women's looks for male support/character (e.g humour etc) women stand to lose more.

If i put a gun to your head and told you to replace a sexy woman by finding another sexy woman of equal or better attractiveness you will have a much easier job than trying to do the same thing with trying to replace a funny guy with another guy equally or more funny.

women have basically got complacent in thinking their value is unquestionably high and always will be and so as time moves on, they bring less and less to the table.