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Report: Republicans close to Trump plotting "intervention" (thehill.com)

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[–]General_Fear 17ポイント18ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump doesn't need an intervention. He needs an exorcism.

[–]SrSkippy 15ポイント16ポイント  (4子コメント)

If only...

Serious question; can they withdraw the nomination?

[–]GlassesandCocoaPuffs 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/03/the-rnc-can-legally-dump-donald-trump-but-it-has-to-act-fast.html

[–]NotAnotherEmpire 0ポイント1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nope, there was just a convention for that. He's the official nominee now. Only way he can leave is voluntarily. Even then he will still be the Republican on the ballot most places. States lock ballots early.

[–]jareyesdenver 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

False. The party has ballot access not the candidates.

[–]NotAnotherEmpire 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

The name on the ballot is Donald J. Trump, due to states acknowledging the nomination at the official convention. In some cases that name won't come off unless he drops dead. Short of that, the RNC bylaws contain no clear option for firing a nominee. Replacing one that dies or withdraws or is paralyzed by a stroke, yes. Fire for cause, no. The lack of clear authority is a huge problem for this idea because those state laws that grant ballot access reference the criteria for getting that line. The RNC could try to fire him and he would say they couldn't and that it was his ballot line after being duly nominated. And some states have already certified their ballots or will do so soon; North Carolina is Friday and if Trump is certified there no one else can win anyway.

Of course this is all meaningless from a Constitution perspective but if they wanted to dump him - and had the balls to dump him - they had to do it at the convention. But the RNC expressly blocked that with strongarm tactics.

[–]keypuncherConservative 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

The time for an intervention was before he became the nominee, when there were still options as to what to do when it didn't work.

[–]Not_CleaverConservative 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll believe it when I see it. I've heard other reports these past few months that the GOP was finally going to dump Trump. And nothing happened. So, I'm just going to assume he'll be our totally awful nominee in November.

[–]jbondyoda 12ポイント13ポイント  (19子コメント)

The funny thing is, if he just stood letting things get to him, he could beat Hillary. But the guy has such thin skin. People don't think she's trustworthy at all, all he has to do is let her dig her own grave. Instead, we get this constant shit he pulls. I hope an intervention occurs. They need to talk some sense into him.

[–]IClogToilets 33ポイント34ポイント  (15子コメント)

That is because he is unfit to be president. He does not have the demure or intellect required for the job. It is a real shame. This is a pivotal time and the Republicans have a clear shot of winning this year. But we will now lose not just the presidency but also the Supreme Court which will effect the US for generations.

[–]leolson3 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

affect*

[–]jbondyoda -5ポイント-4ポイント  (9子コメント)

Which is the only reason I'm voting for him. Hell I tell people I'm voting against Clinton. If Johnson had a chance, which I'm a realist and he doesn't, I'd vote for him. I don't think he's qualified, but I feel like I can trust him more than Clinton. I think either way the party is going to implode. I thought that things would change after the convention. Instead he's back to the primary.

[–]Urcommentisbullshit 22ポイント23ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which is the only reason I'm voting for him.

Question for you. I was a Republican my entire voting life until Trump was officially nominated at which point I removed my registration within minutes.

I keep seeing people saying they will hold their nose and vote Trump to save the Supreme Court. How many other important institutions are you willing to sacrifice for that cause? Trump has talked about actions that would essentially break apart NATO as well as ripping up free trade agreements and even hinted at the possibility of leaving the WTO. And remember, he regularly tells the establishment GOP to shove it and while he has said he would ask the heritage foundation who to nominate (or something of that nature) he changes his mind so much and so regularly that god only knows who he would actually be nominating. It wouldn't be a guarantee of another Scalia, or even a conservative justice, at all. The GOP clearly cannot control him, so it's not like they are going to be able to tell him who to nominate and have him listen.

I guess, the crux of my question is, how much collateral damage do you think it's worth sustaining in order to give Trump the ability to nominate justices, with no real guarantee of what those justices would be like?

[–]mbarnar 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

not OP but I'll chime in on something.

things like NAFTA and WTO Trump just can't leave. The limited powers of government keep him from doing that without congressional approval.

However the POTUS does directly get to nominate SC justicies.

So maybe OP is hoping that checks and balances will keep Trump in check on the extremes, and with a GOP candidate in the oval we can keep the SC from getting too liberal.

Just a thought. I'm not OP but I've heard this argument before.

[–]jbondyoda 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much my thoughts.

[–]IClogToilets -4ポイント-3ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm voting for him too even though I think he is incompetent. I can easily see him winning and resigning so Pence becomes president.

[–]fuhko101 4ポイント5ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why do you think he would resign.

[–]artyfoulKasich 2020 -1ポイント0ポイント  (3子コメント)

Judging by everything that Trump has said, what indication do you have that he actually wants to govern as POTUS?

[–]fuhko101 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he consiously doesn't want it, then why doesn't he just resign?

Unconsiously not wanting it doesn't count, he could always get elected, unconsciously continue to not want it, but choose to continue on, like he is doing now.

[–]midfield99 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a democrat, but I don't think Trump will resign because he doesn't want the job. Kasich said the Trump campaign offered him the chance to be the most powerful VP in history. I don't know how much weight that statement should be given, but I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is ok not resigning and having Pence do most of the work.

The bad thing if you like Pence is that even if Pence does more of the work, he is still not the President. And I think Trump would get involved in anything that made him look like a bad president, so the hands off approach to policy decisions would only last while things were working out. And I really don't think that would be a great working relationship considering Trump, even if you are excited about Pence. But like I said, I'm not a Republican, so that might not be an accurate prediction.

[–]artyfoulKasich 2020 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure if the same offer extended to Kasich was extended to Pence, since Kasich is more of a pro-business Republican who would be popular with the general electorate and is a very competent administrator.

Pence hasn't had the best luck in Indiana it seems, is unpopular there but appeals to the more conservative factions which Trump is trying to reign in.

[–]qwertpoi -3ポイント-2ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is a pivotal time and the Republicans have a clear shot of winning this year.

The republicans won in spades in '10 and gained control of both houses.

They didn't do anything of note. Which is why all those Senators who had nothing to stand on got trounced.

What exactly do the Republicans have to offer but the status quo? I mean they can't even explain what they want to do for the country. Trump can, at least.

And as this election should have made COMPLETELY, abundantly and fully clear people are sick and tired of the status quo.

Republicans lost the Supreme Court a long time ago. When's the last decent ruling they've won?

The people you'd pick as 'fit to be president' are the exact ones that would continue the status quo that people have come to despise.

[–]JackBond1234 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Therefore we should support someone who is demonstrably bad BEFORE the elections so we know what we're getting into?

I'll take the status quo over a marked degradation thanks.

[–]IClogToilets 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Republicans lost the Supreme Court a long time ago. When's the last decent ruling they've won?

Virtually every gun control ruling.

[–]IBiteYouconservative woman -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

They didn't do anything of note.

With all due respect, Obama has veto power. And they don't have enough numbers to override a veto.

http://www.senate.gov/reference/Legislation/Vetoes/ObamaBH.htm

When's the last decent ruling they've won?

Citizens' United.

[–]RebasKradd[S] 16ポイント17ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is about more than his skin now. This is about his utter ignorance of...well, everything you need to know to be president. Nukes, national debt, everything.

[–]jbondyoda 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're correct. It's getting insane.

[–]keypuncherConservative 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

It only appears insane if you think he's trying to win. If you think he's trying to lose while doing as much damage to the GOP as possible, then it makes perfect sense.