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New Fallout 4 Vault-Tec update patch available everywhere but PS4 (inquisitr.com)

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[–]crisis54 269ポイント270ポイント  (86子コメント)

I love how the only company in the world that has a problem with Playstation is Bethesda, specifically the fallout/skyrim team.

On a completely unrelated note, Todd Howard seems really close with Microsoft.

[–]timesplitter88 36ポイント37ポイント  (20子コメント)

I literally tweeted this to them when they announced the indefinite delay on the Fo4 PS4 mods...

I mean, I get it... The PS3's Cell chip architecture was something of a nightmare to develop for given its complex design, so i would give developers during that generation the benefit of the doubt, but between the Xbox One and PS4, I dont see how any developers, specifically a large AAA developer like Bethesda Game Studios would still be having issues with an x86 based game console (it makes it even more strange since the Xbox One is x86 based as well).

[–]Flight714 43ポイント44ポイント  (16子コメント)

I dont see how any developers, specifically a large AAA developer like Bethesda Game Studios would still be having issues with an x86 based game console (it makes it even more strange since the Xbox One is x86 based as well).

Bethesda games use DirectX, which is a Microsoft Windows/XBox exclusive API. That's completely incompatible with PS4, so Bethesda have to re-write half the game engine in a standard API like OpenGL or Vulkan.

It's still their fault for using a proprietary technology that excludes 50% of their market (assuming that their market consists of Microsoft Windows & XBox One, and Sony PlayStation 4):

Source for market size estimate:

https://www.ubisoftgroup.com/comsite_common/en-US/images/pressrelease_downloadablemm_20160211_054433_ubisoftfy16q3salesenglishfinal_tcm99-238529_tcm99-196733-32.pdf (page 4)

[–]Aceflamez00 2ポイント3ポイント  (5子コメント)

Also ps4 is UNIX based

[–]420lupus 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's a Unix system?

[–]RynosaurusRex82RynosaurusRex82 9ポイント10ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously, why didn't Timmy simply pick up the shotgun and hand it to Grant during this scene. Stupid kid.

[–]420lupus 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because kids are always useless

[–]Aceflamez00 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it runs a variant of BSD

[–]anticuchoservido 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/itsaunixsystem

[–]nickyjamesNickyJames805 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate the informative post

[–]JadedDarknessJakandDaxterDude 8ポイント9ポイント  (1子コメント)

The mods are delayed because of Sony, not BGS.
edit: Anyways, here's a tweet from BGS on the current status of PS4 mods for FO4.

[–]najowhit 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, the mods are delayed because of both parties. Don't act like Bethesda is innocent in this issue considering they've dealt with the exact same issues on nearly every release since TES: Oblivion on Sony consoles. This issue is hardly new.

[–]fubar-eyes 44ポイント45ポイント  (39子コメント)

If they don't fix their shit asap, I'll cancel my Skyrim preorder.

[–]jigsaw25048 34ポイント35ポイント  (10子コメント)

I was going to pre-order since I hadn't played the game ever, but I think I'll wait a month or two after release to make sure it's all straightened out first.

[–]HowieGamingHowieGaming 42ポイント43ポイント  (8子コメント)

As one should do with every Bethesda Games Studio game.

[–]Xenolithium 26ポイント27ポイント  (5子コメント)

Honestly, you shouldn't have that game pre-ordered anyway. At least, if you didn't have it last gen. They're robbing the PS4 and XB1 owners blind with the $60 price tag, while, Steam users get it free if they already have it and the DLC.

[–]avi6274 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Its because PC Skyrim with mods already looks much better than the remaster so there is no incentive to get the remaster on PC if it is not free.

On top of that, you need the PC versions to create mods for consoles so giving it out for free makes sense.

[–]Xenolithium 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

It still makes zero sense to have a $60 price tag on consoles. That'd be like if they released a remastered New Vegas for $60. They're fucking console owners in the ass hard. But, since it's Bethesda...they can get away with it. If any other company tried this shit, there would be mass outrage.

[–]avi6274 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was explaining about the 'PC users get it for free' part but yes, charging full price for a remaster is too much. Honestly, they do it because they can. Console users are more willing to spend money and will still buy the game anyway.

[–]Xenolithium -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know. I may not have acknowledged the PC part, but, I do agree with why they get it for free. Same with the Bioshock 1 and 2 upgrades for previous owners.

Also, I'm not entirely sure it's because console users are 'willing' to pay more, I think it's more along the lines that they don't exactly have a choice.

[–]BrapBattle 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, its sucks that its going to be the full $60 price tag, but it would be literally pointless to try to charge PC Players for something that has basically already been created by various mod creators and is already available for free. At least for those on ps4/xbone there is the promise of something new (mods) as well as being able to relive an updated and enhanced version ofa game that was widely loved. Not to mention from my understanding its primarily mods created for and on PC that are being used for console mods. None of the modding community would bother to make sure their work is compatible with a "new" version of skyrim remastered if they had to shell out money for something they already have.

[–]Overdue_bills 11ポイント12ポイント  (0子コメント)

I already did, no reason for me to play it again with no assurance of mod support.

[–]JustJro 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

I already canceled mine, I'll wait till they figure all this out and by then it will be 20$

[–]mexicodude908 1ポイント2ポイント  (11子コメント)

I love it, how long and how many times are people going to have to get fucked before they finally stop doing the shit that allows these game companies to keep doing stuff like this. I mean honestly, did people forget this generation has been like this from the jump. People pre-ordering at this point get what they deserve. I mean when they announced a $50 price tag for unannounced DLC that should have been a giant red flag to stay the fuck away from that. Maybe after Destiny, and The Division and Fallout and so many other games that beg for this pre-order garbage and then don't deliver a full game or have an incentive to improve much people will just stop. Not consider stopping, not thinking about it, not getting angry and then doing it next time, but just stopping

[–]fubar-eyes 3ポイント4ポイント  (2子コメント)

I preordered it since Amazon prime gives me $12 off... dillhole.

[–]Sicmay -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It'll be $12 off a few weeks after release probably anyway. Considering its a game that's already out I'm sure patiently waiting a few weeks won't hurt. But if you do wan't to pre-order go ahead- won't be that guy to tell you not to.

[–]Callu23callu23 -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not defending the shit company but the season pass was 30€ originally and I don't really see what's the problem with them not announcing it straight away. If you don't feel confident in it don't buy the season pass before you know what's coming in it.

[–]FooBear408FooBear408 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

that'll show'em!

[–]BarelyOriginalTotallyOriginal 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

just get the regular version on PC

[–]Slemonator 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I bought an xb1 s mostly to be sure I'd get my skyrim mods on console

[–]Lycanvenom 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

You might as well cancel now...if they don't figure out Mods on PS4 for Skyrim. I honestly don't see how mods will be available on that Skyrim remaster. Which is one of the biggest features they want people to buy it for.

[–]fubar-eyes [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'll keep eye on it. If its not confirmed a couple weeks before release, I'll cancel.

[–]TidusJames 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

words i havent seen in like 5 years

[–]UberJonezUberJonez 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dude, 2011 was like 5 years ago!

[–]kad4724 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would absolutely not pre-order Skyrim for PS4. I have no faith that that game will work on launch day on Sony's console.

[–]sks442jordy-shorty442 25ポイント26ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yup. I hate how people put blame on Sony or the console itself for the poor performance of Bethesda games on PS3/PS4.

If it was Sony's fault why don't more developers have the same issues? Why is Bethesda the only AAA developer that has so many issues with development for Sony consoles? Remember when PS3 had to wait an extra 8 MONTHS for the Skyrim DLC because Bethesda was having "technical issues"?

I'm sorry but I'm putting 100% of the blame on Bethesda's shitty game engines. It's not sony's fault that Bethesda can't be fucked to properly optimize their games on sony consoles.

[–]vilnix42 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah the gamebryo engine needs retiring and a better architecture needs constructing. It's being held together with tape at the minute anyway in its current state.

[–]JayceeThunder 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it says in the article that the patch was ALREADY SUBMITTED to Sony.... its just hasnt been "approve" yet.

[–]LifelessAnimator 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm not disagreeing with you but I am curious why you feel like T. Howard is really close with MS? Was it just the Scorpio video from e3?

[–]ShelobTheGreat 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

He could be talking about the Fallout 4 MS marketing deal. Or that he talks about Xbox when talking about console a lot of times. Just guessing.

[–]Callu23callu23 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Should be pretty obvious if you see him/them time and time again supporting/promoting Xbox and the Scorpio reveal shill was just te cherry on top of the cake.

[–]MightiestEwok -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

He always has been.

There's even that famous line where he shills for the original xbox around the time of Morrowind's release.

[–]TheHeroicOnionButtDonkey -3ポイント-2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Todd Howard is a dope who only talks in marketing

[–]everadvancing -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies.

[–]FireworkFuseFireworkFuse 0ポイント1ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, Massive also has problems with Sony.

[–]phosphor112 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uh.. no they don't. They had an exclusive deal with MS...

[–]opinjonatedcuriousus -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you read the article, the patch has been submitted to Sony. It's Sony that's holding this up.

[–]docwoj -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not even bethesdas fault. They submitted the patch. Blame sony for taking forever approving it. Stop the circlejerk. (nice assumption youre making with him being close with microsoft and pretty much implying hes actively trying to make the ps4 version terrible)

[–]Redlodger0426 79ポイント80ポイント  (30子コメント)

Part of me is convinced that the team that makes Bethesda RPGs can't figure out how to make a game but are very creative. I mean their games are amazingly brilliant but run like ass.

[–]TB12isHnnnnng 59ポイント60ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's a reason people say "Bethesda creates the game and the fans finish the game". Modders on PC will literally fix bugs and glitches far quicker than Bethesda.

[–]MaxiLaRue[🍰] 6ポイント7ポイント  (1子コメント)

This has to be it. They would rather pump out 10 unpolished features in the game than 3 highly polished ones. There are so many ingame glitches that are game breaking on PS4, but are a simple fix in the console. It's a game really designed with PC in mind.

[–]sidious911 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Drives me nuts to have semi-broken features in an open world RPG like that though. You are encouraged to explore and try things, but yet sometimes things just don't work and as a player it is very confusing to try and determine if you did something wrong or if the game just fucked up again. Loses immersion very quick, and even more so if you have to go look on line to determine if it was you or the game.

[–]lennythelaserdisc 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's called a last generation crappy engine

[–]DBZLogicuneducatedlogic 35ポイント36ポイント  (3子コメント)

last generation crappy engine

Correction, last-last generation.

[–]mjike 7ポイント8ポイント  (1子コメント)

To get specific, that would be last-last-last generation as I remember playing on it's initial iterations in the DAoC beta in '99. It's time to stop band-aiding that damned engine to kinda work and simply retire it.

[–]LikwidSnek 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

But how could they afford it?! They barely made a few billions since Morrowind!

[–]MightiestEwok -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously, last-last-last generation. Gamebryo first came about in 1991, 25 years ago. It's amazing they still make it work but come on you can't patch it up forever.

[–]Slingster 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

The game runs fine on Xbox and PC.

[–]Redlodger0426 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well this one does but past titles haven't been so lucky

[–]Brandon_2535Brandon_2535 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did anyone even bother to read the information? It has nothing to do with Bethesda hating Sony. They submitted the patch to Sony and are waiting for them to approve it. It's out of their hands at this point. Sony has always been slow with approving patches, this is nothing new and is certainly not Bethesda hating Sony.

[–]Johnson_N_B 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

It just works.

[–]BecomingTheArchtypeWARINTHEBACKYARD 27ポイント28ポイント  (7子コメント)

Im done with fallout 4. It lost all momentum, The game itself wasnt great for a fallout and the dlc have been crap. At least when skyrim was taking forever to update, There was still so much to do, while fallout 4 was able to be finished in around a months time.

[–]chubbykipper 4ポイント5ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's all about Survival Mode. Completely changes the game.

[–]Anzai 7ポイント8ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, I never even played the DLC. By the time it got here I just didn't care any more, despite having been suckered by their season pass bullshit. You know, the one where they had SO much content they had to raise the price and then we got a bunch of item packs for the supposedly optional undercooked part of the game?

[–]TheFigureHead-6T6 1ポイント2ポイント  (2子コメント)

And after we buy it they delay the mods indefinitely...

[–]Anzai -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah. I'm fifty fifty on whether we actually ever them or not. I can see them dragging this out and then just cancelling them at some point saying the platform is not amenable to modding or something similar. But not until after the Skyrim release and a few months.

[–]TheFigureHead-6T6 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I gave them the benefit of the doubt that the product would be the same on all platforms lol feel like an idiot now and wish I hadn't been so naive and just got it on PC instead.

[–]braintumorwarrior -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with you one million percent. I found it to be one of gaming's biggest disappointments.

[–]MLGNINJATURTLE 14ポイント15ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was submit to Sony now we just have to wait till sony approves it

[–]HairlessSasquatchNWRC88 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe bethesda needs to rework their whole strategy and finally scrap their 2000s era engine. Theyre the only company who have consistent issue with sony hardware

[–]misterzadirmisterzadir 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

really seems like instead of a 6 month exclusivity deal with MS, bethesda juts said "Look, we can't do that. We just can't. BUT. What if you still paid us for that deal and instead, we just kinda... forget... how to develop for PS4 for a year or two?"

[–]ShelobTheGreat 8ポイント9ポイント  (17子コメント)

Lol they submitted it late.

Oh boy what if it's also an incomplete patch that'll get denied? That would be one way to have things delayed further.

[–]HvHopsguy 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck it, No Man's Sky comes out on Tuesday.

[–]lupethebeast 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last time I buy a Bethesda game for Ps4. Christ!

[–]JAMurida 0ポイント1ポイント  (4子コメント)

Says the update was submitted to Sony, so it's probably still in the certification process. If that's true then that's more on Sony then Bethesda.

[–]ShelobTheGreat 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

No. They submitted it later. It's on Bethesda.

If they were submitted at the same time it would be ready with MS's patch since they have the same certification process.

[–]JayceeThunder -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

i noticed that too

[–]phosphor112 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except it still needs performance and stability/QA approval. There is a reason why it's in cert.

[–]Blindjanitor 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bethesda are pretty shit developers these days. Most people have become aware of this by now. Until ES6 is announced anyway. Then people will come around to the realization again when it uses the same hacked to garbage Gamebryo engine the past games did.

[–]mysticrecluse 1ポイント2ポイント  (4子コメント)

Surprise, surprise. I was with Sony through the entire TES4, 5, and Fallout 3, NV issues. As if I have to remind anyone, Oblivion missed out on an entire dlc or two. Skyrim was nearly broken and had no dlc for the longest time. Previous Fallouts were broken at times with hard freezes and numerous bugs. Up until Far Harbor, I thought Bethesda got their act together with Fallout 4 on PS4, but I should've known better.

My next question is this: Is Bethesda or Sony at fault? Given their track record, I'd say Bethesda. Their Games work for the most part on pc though, so that makes me think it could be Sony.

Bottom line, you're AAA company, Bethesda, so quit acting like lazy morons and fix your games.

[–]najowhit -2ポイント-1ポイント  (1子コメント)

If this were last-gen, I would be willing to blame Sony for not being very communicative with third-party developers on how the Cell works. I could also be willing to give Bethesda a pass because of the way they develop their games and how the engine inherently has issues working on non-PC-based systems.

However, with the current gen issues, I'm less inclined to blame Sony and more so Bethesda. They've had a decade to learn how Sony systems work and they still fail to deliver with every single release. Also, other developers don't seem to have the same issues, even if those developers come from PC-based backgrounds. Look at Bungie, a traditionally Microsoft company, and how it has consistently hits marks with Destiny on PS4.

How is it that one company can so thoroughly fail on 40% of the market share? And not only that, but fail for nearly a decade? Bethesda makes some of my favorite games, but if they can't deliver on my favorite consoles, then at some point I have to say no deal.

[–]ocbdare 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bethesda games are too good to pass on. If a platform didn't play my top games like Mass Effect, Bethesda games, Blizzard Games, I would just drop the platform :D I am too much of a Bethesda, Bioware and Blizzard fanboy :D

[–]JayceeThunder -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

, I thought Bethesda got their act together with Fallout 4 on PS4, but I should've known better.

the sad part is that I (and I assume many ppl) have been telling ppl this for nearly a DECADE... but was always shouted down for being unreasonable or talking nonsense cause I favored another console/pc (I dont). Its just FUCKING reality of the situation. Some ppl learn after being bitten ONCE. Yet some can be bitten 7-20 times and STILL NOT LEARN

[–]stayquiet1225 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

I blame Bethesda for not doing the nessecary research beforehand. This whole debacle should have been avoided.

It's not just the mod situation that irks me. Fallout 4 has a lot of issues with its settlements. So much so that I've given up on building and focused on exploring.

[–]dhein87 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm mainly a PC gamer, love my PS4 for its great exclusives. That said, you guys aren't missing out on much. Honestly, to me, the best part of FO4 was the settlement building. But even then, I can just play Sims 4 and build til my heart's content. This game was a big misstep in the franchise, and maybe they should throw in the towel on fixing this shit and move on to something refreshing that works across the board on all platforms. But by then they may have lost the goodwill they've built with the fans.

[–]The_LoneRedditorAdama_49 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can understand the disgust with Bethesda but there is Sony's Certification process to deal with. You can update your game as many times as you like but you still have to get Sony to sign off on it.

[–]HarperlarpHarpzlee -1ポイント0ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't care about Fallout 4 updates until they release one that brings mods with it.

[–]Callu23callu23 -1ポイント0ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't hold your breath.

[–]Furnituredenisracist -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

i wish i got into this game... i tried but i couldnt :(