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[MODPOST] Update to the sub-reddit policy on downvotes (self.reddevils)

spoofexKing Cantona が 投稿 - announcement

Hi all,

After much deliberation between the mod team and the community at large, we have taken steps to combat downvoting and brigading within the sub.

As such, voting is no longer possible without being subscribed to the sub, and the downvote button has been removed.

That second part is a temporary experiment, and one we'll look to review in a couple of weeks to see how people feel about it.

Finally, and most importantly, we NEED to reiterate that the upvote button is there as well. A lot of people will read, comment and post, but never actually upvote comments and posts.

To help promote content (whether it's an opinion you agree with or not), click the upvote button to keep things in the positive. Also, don't forget to check /new or to filter some of the larger posts by newest to see the new comments/posts in their infancy and help boost them!

Well, let us know how you think and we'll get in touch with a vote soon to see if people want to keep this as it is.

Many thanks; Your (grumpy and evil) moderation team!

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[–]TyperSniperKeane 47ポイント48ポイント  (16子コメント)

so now u/mufcirclejerk will not longer be at the bottom of posts down voted into oblivion :(

[–]_________________-- 3ポイント4ポイント  (0子コメント)

You've only gone and summoned him.

[–]googly__mooglySmalling 32ポイント33ポイント  (4子コメント)

Downvoting is necessary. This is a terrible decision.

[–]mattmanutdKeane 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

I completely agree. People take it to heart too much. Might as well turn into facebook and compete for likes.

[–]knoxisbackBlind -4ポイント-3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Never downvoted anything in my entire time on reddit and it's been just fine.

the button itself is used 99% of the time by people as a petty way to show disagreement. especially on this sub, it's absolutely toxic.

not like it matters. the mobile brigade will still downvote the hell out of anything they don't like. sad really.

[–]CuriousBot42 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

I use the downvote button for shit like this. When statistics are pulled out of the ass.

[–]googly__mooglySmalling 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Others are up and downvoting. That's why it's been just fine.

[–]CuriousBot42 37ポイント38ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hell no.

Senseless move. Make it invisible for non subscribers. Not the subscribers. Either way, it doesn't matter. If someone wants to downvote, they'll downvote anyway.

[–]WaaaltyIbrahimovic 25ポイント26ポイント  (0子コメント)

what. the. fuck.

[–]parton9020 times, 20 times, Man United 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've got to say the mods do a usually amazing job on here but I really don't get this decision. That thread about it the other day, the minority were complaining and the majority just weren't arsed. Who actually care about some land of make believe internet score?!

[–]Launch_a_poo 29ポイント30ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like this, it was fine the way it was and it was only a minority complaining

[–]parton9020 times, 20 times, Man United 18ポイント19ポイント  (3子コメント)

Looks like I'm only using this sub on mobile from now on

[–]googly__mooglySmalling 12ポイント13ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll be reading/contributing comments much less often because they'll be sorted poorly.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 7ポイント8ポイント  (14子コメント)

Didn't we try this a few years ago without much success?

[–]sprunthJones 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

I think we tried hiding comment scores for ~45 minutes at some point in the past.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 5ポイント6ポイント  (6子コメント)

That's the one. It made this place surprisingly dull.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S,M] -1ポイント0ポイント  (5子コメント)

We did consider bringing that back too, but like you said, it's a bit shit.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 10ポイント11ポイント  (4子コメント)

How is this supposed to be any less shit?

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S,M] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (3子コメント)

We've had a load of problems with brigading and a few bots. This does help get around a few of those issues (I've been asking mod teams on other subs to get their input, they have seen notable improvements over time once the people with RES stop showing how easy pressing Z is in the first day or so).

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

Alright. I think you're crippling essential functionality to fix a very minor issue.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S,M] 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

And if that turns out to be the case, then we'll roll it back in a couple of weeks before the season kicks off.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fair enough. Better you conduct your experiments now than in the middle of the season.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S,M] -12ポイント-11ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not on here. It's the first time we've done this as far as I can recall.

[–]CuriousBot42 11ポイント12ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just leave it as it was. There's no need to mess around and overwork everything. Reddit is built around the idea of voting, and you're heading the other way. Makes no sense.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S,M] -2ポイント-1ポイント  (2子コメント)

Reddit is built around the idea of voting,

True, but lately we've had a lot of problems with the vote system being abused by people botting with multiple accounts or outside brigading.

[–]CuriousBot42 10ポイント11ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that's better than having utter nonsense get upvoted.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 5ポイント6ポイント  (0子コメント)

It happens.

This is like dropping a nuke to fix a clogged toilet.

[–]CalimariaeSolskjaer 8ポイント9ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm 95% sure it isn't. We removed downvoting for a while and it was shit.

No idea how long ago it was. I've been here forever.

[–]duke_of_wellington 10ポイント11ポイント  (5子コメント)

r/shitpost

[–]KingofcatastropheDare2Zlatan 6ポイント7ポイント  (4子コメント)

i would have downvoted. but now i can only upvote.

[–]CuriousBot42 7ポイント8ポイント  (2子コメント)

Turn your monitor upside down.

[–]WaaaltyIbrahimovic 17ポイント18ポイント  (4子コメント)

Just a tip because this new change is idiotic, click the profiles and down vote the post there.

[–]manunited_forever 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. No point on experiment if this is not fixed

[–]ninjapanda_De Gea 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not sure if I'm whooshing on your comment here, but votes on the profile won't count towards karmascore (though it will look like it from your perspective). It's to stop people from downvoting all comments and posts of a user.

[–]Squareinaroundhole 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

No point. Just uncheck "use subreddit style" + RES

The down votes are still there.

[–]ColdisnotwarmGiggs 6ポイント7ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can still downvote on mobile

[–]googly__mooglySmalling 2ポイント3ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which makes this even dumber.

[–]ColdisnotwarmGiggs 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yupp, you can also downvote if you use RES(Reddit Enhancement Suite) plugin. So this move is kinda pointless IMO

[–]EpicRumourTime 4ポイント5ポイント  (7子コメント)

How do you subscribe? Does it cost money?

[–]duke_of_wellington 2ポイント3ポイント  (2子コメント)

29.99£ per month

[–]EpicRumourTime 3ポイント4ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its says I'm already subscribed but I cannot downvote. Ah well I aint paying shit

[–]ColdisnotwarmGiggs 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a DLC, will be released in 2017 for 10,99£

[–]parton9020 times, 20 times, Man United 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have to send me £15 a month and I'll send an umpaloompa to your account to enable downvotes

[–]RyGaL1995Mata -1ポイント0ポイント  (2子コメント)

Click subscribe on the right. It is free.

The /r/reddevils content will appear on your front page.

[–]EpicRumourTime 1ポイント2ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ye I've been subbed for ages, still can't downvote thats why I asked if I'm missing something

[–]Launch_a_poo 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not even subs can downvote. Unless you do it in a roundabout way

[–]jakedobsonFumar Mata 9ポイント10ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shouldn't have bothered removing the downvote button, you can still downvote on mobile and by pressing Z anyway

[–]lazysloth1 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Whooo for Reddit on mobile!!!

[–]cmf_ansValencia 4ポイント5ポイント  (9子コメント)

What?

[–]MasterFarmerJennyAnthony Tightlips 4ポイント5ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can upvote/downvote by pressing A/Z with RES.

[–]ducedo 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can disable subreddit style in preferences or use .compact

[–]ddgsancPogba 3ポイント4ポイント  (4子コメント)

Mobile users prob

[–]IwanJones10Ander Herrera 3ポイント4ポイント  (3子コメント)

Or people pressing Z

[–]cmf_ansValencia 7ポイント8ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well that just defeated the whole point of this.

[–]LevynXSchmeichel 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huh, didn't know you could do that

[–]ijd17Uncle Ant 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

shit, well TIL

[–]yuma712Shaw 1ポイント2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can still downvote using 3rd party apps.

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S] -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mobile users aren't affected by CSS updates, so nothing changes there.

Also RES users still have the ability to bypass all of this. There is a way to stop that being possible, but you can royally shag a subreddit CSS doing it.

[–]YoungPappy 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I still after 2 years don't fully understand why people care about downvotes. My downvoted comments usually have the best discussion by far.

[–]mattmanutdKeane 0ポイント1ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously this is so dumb. People need to grow up and stop crying about being downvoted. If you say something stupid or rash you should be downvoted. Stop taking it so personally.

Mods you have normally been outstanding but you really fucked this one up. Sorry. All this is going to do is promote negative comments either by stupid people who know they wont get downvoted or by people replying to a dumb comment because there is no downvote button.

Isn't there a way to have it so some people can hide their scores while others can show theirs if they want?

Come on people grow up. Stop crying because there isn't a positive reaction every time you participate. I've been up voted a bunch and I have been downvoted a bunch too. Just because some people disagree with me sometimes doesn't mean I take it personally, and in the end I was happy I had a system that allowed me to see if there were others who agreed with me or if I was way off with an assumption.

To those that downvoted me in the past thanks for your opinion. most of the time you gave me a reply as to why you thought I was wrong, or made me realize I made a rash statement that was usually emotionally charged. Hopefully the button will be back soon.

[–]scholeszzSchweinsteiger 2ポイント3ポイント  (0子コメント)

ITT: Downvotes

[–]An0therkShaw -11ポイント-10ポイント  (3子コメント)

Is there a way to make it that someone can only be allowed to downvote if they comment in that specific thread? Atleast that would encourage people to give a reason

[–]spoofexKing Cantona[S,M] -15ポイント-14ポイント  (1子コメント)

No. We can't control it to that level. To be honest, we're not supposed to remove the downvote button at all, but reddit admins have turned a blind eye at the small-mid level subs doing it, particularly sports ones.

I've toyed with the possibility of also disabling certain res functions too, but decided against it when I did the CSS updates as that would be setting a pretty bad precedent (also, it can break a lot of shit if you start messing with RES).

[–]googly__mooglySmalling 6ポイント7ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a reason you're "not supposed to remove the downvote button at all".

[–]manunited_forever -3ポイント-2ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent! Will be good to see the outcome end of this experiment. Do ensure downvote disable is strictly in place for experiment results to be accurate

[–]basalamader -2ポイント-1ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think that the downvote button needs to be removed but what I think is that there needs to be a reason given for the downvote. So if someone downvotes, then they should give a reason why else their downvote is invalid.